Tipp South & District League 2010/11

[ClubSupremo]

thats not goin to work rushy, clubs have enough problem getting squads together without putting guidelines in place for the squads!

[republican]

good post rushy. i like your idea of the homegrown players in the squads but 2 to 5 in a 23 man squad is way too little it shud be at least 12 to 15 or 16 in a 23 man squad and hey bring it in tommorrow because st michaels squad wouldnt have to change at all if your saying these players have to have played schoolboys with the club.

[rushy12]

Maybe 12 to 13, might be too many for some clubs so maybe 6-7..only an idea lads so dont rush in and slate..its like the premier leaague when chelsea had all the money league was shockingly poor and it became the top four that no one could touch...like the tsdl all the top players go to the top 2 or 3 and makes it boring..if the fai brought in a rule like stated above then the youths of squads might get more game time and this will encourage them to stay with clubs and be involved instead of turning away or giving it up..how many youths have we seen and said are good players but when stepped up lost the interest?young fellas lose interest sitting on their hands each week when they see some fella who cant train because where he is from eg waterford, limerick etc starting before him!

[West Hammer]

The problem with this idea is that it would not be up to the FAI it would have to get it passed by FIFA who at the end of the day have the last word on all rules in Soccer and unlike in the GAA all players are free to sign any where. What is needed is a much stronger Schoolboy league that up holds it's own poaching laws!

[ClubSupremo]

the problem with clubs like clonmel town and st michaels is that it takes a very special player to be able to make the transition from youths straight into the first team, not many players have done it for clonmel town over the past number of years with only the likes of michael coady, rory kiely, alot of guys like david mcgrath, evan mcguire had to spend a season or two playing with towns second team. jimmy carr played a season or two with michaels second team if im not mistaken.. thats the reason why clubs like Town and Michaels need to search for special players cause the standard of player in bulk isnt coming through anymore, you can say oh we need to make the effort to give them a chance but when your looking for instance success at munster and level managers are not prepared to wait..

[Pearoso27]

That is without doubt the most conceited post i have ever read on foot.ie.....to state that anyone on this site who goes against st michaels is doing so because he never had the opportunity to play for them,i don't think i have ever posted anything derogatory about st michaels but if i disagreed with something they did i would say so and it would not be because i didnt ever have the "chance" to play for them,a crazy comment

Conceited means having an excessively favorable opinion of one's abilities, i had to look it up! Don't know how you came up with that from my original post but sure its your opinion and opinions are like arse holes everyone has one!
BALLS, do you think that someone spotted Jimmy Carr and Cooper playing subbeto in a tree house one day and got a EUREKA moment and decided they would be good soccer players. Both theses lads played Youth football and schoolboy football for Saints i cant say for sure at what age they started but ill find out for you! Just for the record to lads Cesc Fabregas is considered to be an Arsenal "home grown" player and hes Spanish! Work that one out for me. I would really love too if people would declare what TSDL club they supported if any so everyone could see where they were coming from, or is that too transparent!

[fairdecision]

Just like to clear up, I`m not a villa fan. My point was that the big clubs poach players or attract players whatever you want to call it and thats fact not opinion. Also, clubs like Michaels ,Town and villa don`t suddenly just start poaching players when they reach 18 or are playing junior soccer. It happens all the way up through the schoolboys league. How often do you see a player from a small club making a kennedy cup team and play well only for the next season he is gone to one of the bigger clubs?
Also, why should the whole league suffer for the sake of 1 or 2 teams having a good run in the FAI or the MJC? Not only are players leaving the smaller clubs which is bad enough but lewis runs the whole fixture list around it. Why should the smaller clubs have 80% of their fixtures completed before christmas? It`s like the whole league is a feeder to trying to get one of these teams to win an FAI or a MJC so we can plaster this amazing achievment all over the TSDL website hiding the fact that the premier league is a joke! I thought it was the oscar traynor team the league feed into!

[republican]

lads i know for a fact jimmy carr and cooper fahy played in the kennedy cup when they were u13 and both were st michaels players also on that team was tim kiely of st michaels who joined glasgow celtic from st michaels and young frewen of st michaels also went to reading fc from st michaels. surely both of those players would have been with the st michaels 1st team had they not gone across the water.

[Redman028]

Any one know why Killenaule v Killusty game was abandoned after 70 mins???? Hopefully nothing serious!

[ponyobrien]

Any one know why Killenaule v Killusty game was abandoned after 70 mins???? Hopefully nothing serious!

The ref sent a player off, and he then attacked the ref

[balls]

The ref sent a player off, and he then attacked the ref

not again lads whats up with Tsdl players this year losing the plot, or is it a case of refs over reacting. who was the unlucky ref this time

[West Hammer]

The ref was W Burke. No excuses, what ever the Ref does or the players think he has done, you touch a ref and your soccer career is over end of story!

[balls]

do you think it will be life time ban west hammer , thats some price to pay for one moment of madness. what shocks me is that its killusty and borris who have been caught up in these incidents this season , two good clubs who wouldnt really be known for this type of behaviour

[Redman028]

Thats 3 refs in the space of a few weeks! Its getting out of hand and i think the T.S.D.L will have to step up and make examples! Its starting to turn in to a serious situation

[West Hammer]

The punishment is in most cases is 3 - 10 years and in serious cases the 10 year rule is used. The player can appeal to Munster ( never known to intervene in such cases ) or come back to the league in a few years and look to try to have his case re heard and use the I'm a changed man approach.

[balls]

has any player ever got a 10 year ban befoe in tsdl i know 1 or 2 lads who got year bans before but never really heard of tsdl coming down too hard on players in the past

[West Hammer]

I know of 2 TSDL Players that got the full 10 year ban in the past. I think 1 still comes up on the players suspended list all clubs get at the start each season.

[fairdecision]

Can I just ask did either Ponyobrien or west hammer see this game before they posted their comments? I didn`t see it so I don`t know but If ye are calling for a 10 year ban I hope ye have a bit more information than "I heard from a lad who knows a lad". I`ve seen it in the premier league this weekend where players have argued with referees decisions and put their hands on them to get their attention.I didn`t see any red cards or matches abandoned. Is there any way the refs are overreacting to these situations? Maybe the referees should have to explain any big decisions to team captains and maybe this could calm the whole thing down rather than dishing out extra yellow cards to anybody who questions him?

[Redman028]

The 2 cases from a couple of weeks ago are been heard tonght

[West Hammer]

I did not say I was there. I only informed someone of the rules and punishments used by the TSDL in the past. At no time did I state every case should get 10 years but to say a Ref should have to explain his decisions to the captain is frankly crazy. A Match is not a committee meeting, only 1 persons view counts that is the Ref, right or wrong it is the only way you can get 22 players to play within the rules, he has complete control and if He feels unsafe then he is dead right to call the game off. Until we get someone who was at the game to tell us what happened I for one will back to Ref. I was at the game in Tipp Town that was also called off by the Ref and he had a players hands around his throat, so no I do not think Refs are overreacting!
Can I just ask did either Ponyobrien or west hammer see this game before they posted their comments? I did not see it so I don`t know but If ye are calling for a 10 year ban I hope ye have a bit more information than "I heard from a lad who knows a lad". I`ve seen it in the premier league this weekend where players have argued with referees decisions and put their hands on them to get their attention.I didn`t see any red cards or matches abandoned. Is there any way the refs are overreacting to these situations? Maybe the referees should have to explain any big decisions to team captains and maybe this could calm the whole thing down rather than dishing out extra yellow cards to anybody who questions him?

[ponyobrien]

Can I just ask did either Ponyobrien or west hammer see this game before they posted their comments? I didn`t see it so I don`t know but If ye are calling for a 10 year ban I hope ye have a bit more information than "I heard from a lad who knows a lad".


I think you better start reading before writing in future. Show me the post where I mentioned anything about a ban.

[fairdecision]

I was at the game in tipp town and it was the ref`s jersey that was grabbed. Player shouldn`t have done it but he`ll suffer the suspension now. All I`m saying is this is junior soccer. Players get heated and as far as I`m aware no ref was injured. A years suspension is more than enough. Any player I know if they had to sit it out for a year wouldn`t try that again. Calling for such long bans is a bit over the top. Lets not forget there are plenty of refs in this league who can make smart comments during a match which riles up players. As for talking to a captain, I`m only on about big decisions that change matches like a sending off or a penalty, disallowed goal etc. It would allow the other players 10 seconds to calm down while this was happening.

[rushy12]

Who? where and what teams are involved? a match in tipp town with hands on his throat?

[Chops]

Willie Burke should be ashamed of himself for abondoning the Killenaule vs Killusty,he was never assaulted and it was farcical what happened,both sets of teams were in shock at what happened,the Killusty player simply had his hand on Willie Burkes shoulder questioning the sending off which to be fair was an absolute disgrace of a sending off as nothing happened,now i know the law says you cant touch the ref but common sense should of came into play by Willie absolute 100% he was not assaulted.We now have a situation were a player is going to get a long ban for doing nothing its a disgrace.Willie Burke should do the decent thing and retract his report

[Chops]

Can I just ask did either Ponyobrien or west hammer see this game before they posted their comments? I didn`t see it so I don`t know but If ye are calling for a 10 year ban I hope ye have a bit more information than "I heard from a lad who knows a lad". I`ve seen it in the premier league this weekend where players have argued with referees decisions and put their hands on them to get their attention.I didn`t see any red cards or matches abandoned. Is there any way the refs are overreacting to these situations? Maybe the referees should have to explain any big decisions to team captains and maybe this could calm the whole thing down rather than dishing out extra yellow cards to anybody who questions him?Willie Burke was a disgrace sunday for calling off the game it was a very harmless what happened the 2 teams were shocked that he abondoned it,unfortunately a killusty player will now serve a lenghtly ban for doing absolutely nothing.

[buddygeary23]

Anyone know what way the fields will be like on Sunday over this weather?? Were supposed to be playing away to st michaels and and the roads will prob be dangerous travelling from Limerick over this weather...anyone think all matches including fai cup will be called off??

[West Hammer]

Thanks Chops and welcome to This forum. This incident as you tell it does not seem to compare to the others we have heard about, but as you say the player will get a ban and being the third this season will probably get tarred with the same brush.
Anyone hear about other cases, I think they were down to be heard at TSDL meeting last Tuesday Evening.

[West Hammer]

All schoolboy games off again this weekend and forecast is for Snow tonight and temp of -4 to -6 Saturday night. Roads will be deadly and most pitches will be solid. Could be a very quiet Sunday again!

[ponyobrien]

Anyone know what way the fields will be like on Sunday over this weather?? Were supposed to be playing away to st michaels and and the roads will prob be dangerous travelling from Limerick over this weather...anyone think all matches including fai cup will be called off??

Could well be off, and the bad news is you won't get home advantage

[republican]

st michaels have 2 pitches the main 1 has a stand which could shade some of the pitch and possibly prevent it from thawing but if there is a thaw in tipp town ( as there was the day st michaels were 1st supposed to play clonmel celtic 'pony o brien') then the 2nd field wil defo be playable as it is completely unshaded.

[ponyobrien]

st michaels have 2 pitches the main 1 has a stand which could shade some of the pitch and possibly prevent it from thawing but if there is a thaw in tipp town ( as there was the day st michaels were 1st supposed to play clonmel celtic 'pony o brien') then the 2nd field wil defo be playable as it is completely unshaded.

Trying to defrost the pitch by turning the floodlights on hardly counts as a thaw.

[footballfanatic]

Pony, will the celtic-borris game go ahead do ya think?

[ponyobrien]

Pony, will the celtic-borris game go ahead do ya think?

It's looking good at the moment anyway. Could all change tonight though.

[footballfanatic]

Cool thanks, hopefully it will. This weather is a sickner at this stage.
Celtic should win this about 7or8nil anyway.

[ponyobrien]

Cool thanks, hopefully it will. This weather is a sickner at this stage.
Celtic should win this about 7or8nil anyway.

Wow!! 7or 8?

I think we will win by 1 or 2 maybe. Borris are in fine form this season. They have knocked Cahir and Ballingarry out of the Munster, beaten Kilbehenny 10-1 in the Tipp cup and beaten Bansha 7-1 away in the league. I think you are seriously underestimating Borris this season.

[republican]

well as i said pony the stand could shade some of the pitch maybe this is why the lights were on and ideally saints would want to play on cooke park but 2nd field is wide open so they could play the game on that. looking at the game last week anyway i dont think it would have mattered where it was on clonmel or tipp michaels were far superior but i have to say graham doyle was a huge loss for ye.

[balls]

predictions for tomorow lads if they go ahead

saints should have enough for newcastle west although there probably desmond leagues best team, but if saints are full strength and its on in cooke park ill go with 2-0 to saints which will leave them sitting pretty in last 32 of fai and mjc and top of the league heading into xmas, they ll have to be happy with that.

Borris will give celtic a real test will deffo be goals in this one. ill go for celtic 3-2

Town should have too much for cashel but you never know on the day. ill go for clonmel to win 2-1

[Tipp Top]

[QUOTE=balls;1435078]predictions for tomorow lads if they go ahead

saints should have enough for newcastle west although there probably desmond leagues best team, but if saints are full strength and its on in cooke park ill go with 2-0 to saints which will leave them sitting pretty in last 32 of fai and mjc and top of the league heading into xmas, they ll have to be happy with that.

Town are 2 points clear at the top of the league?

[footballfanatic]

Wow!! 7or 8?

I think we will win by 1 or 2 maybe. Borris are in fine form this season. They have knocked Cahir and Ballingarry out of the Munster, beaten Kilbehenny 10-1 in the Tipp cup and beaten Bansha 7-1 away in the league. I think you are seriously underestimating Borris this season.

Ah im only windin ya up pony, i reckon twill be a close one, infact im tippin borris to take this one. Maybe aet.

Ill go clonmel to beat cashel, if there was betting on it, i would be bettin on a 4nil result.
I dont know much about newcastle west so wont bother commentin on that one.

[balls]

taught saints were one point clear must be game in hand they have that confused me sorry bout that

[Tipp Top]

taught saints were one point clear must be game in hand they have that confused me sorry bout that

You could be right....im going on the table on the TSDL website, i would fancy wins for Celtic, Saints and Town and Cashel to end a draw and Town to win on pens or in extra time

[ponyobrien]

looking at the game last week anyway i dont think it would have mattered where it was on clonmel or tipp michaels were far superior but i have to say graham doyle was a huge loss for ye.

The first half was even enough, but michaels were stronger in the second half. Had it been in Clonmel, it would have been a different story. In fairness michaels had plenty of scoring chances, but if you keep missing sitters like that you won't go far. (Unless of course John Delaney keeps carrying ye along ;) )

[buddygeary23]

St michaels v Newcastle west off.. Could ye let us know next time, like the day before if the field will be playable or not.everyone knew that it would have been off..both sides could have made plans to do stuff..

[balls]

peake villa game also off doubt there will be any game on today

[West Hammer]

St michaels v Newcastle west off.. Could ye let us know next time, like the day before if the field will be playable or not.everyone knew that it would have been off..both sides could have made plans to do stuff..
There is no way Tommy Lewis would let any club call off a game before the morning of the game even when common sense told most people matches had no chance. Most pitches were solid yesterday and it went to -8 last night. Thaw is meant to start St Stephens day. Looks like a day to finish the xmas shopping!!!

[Tipp Top]

Town v Cashel game off as well,both Clonmel sides will now lose home advantage,Saints will obviously keep theirs

[footballfanatic]

Celtic v borris is off aswell.

[republican]

thats dissapointing now pony. maybe people in clonmel should try to get to the top of the game with hard work like john delaney has done instead of begrudging him and st michaels to be fair he has done an awful lot for soccer in south tipp. michaels have got floodlighting, town and celtic have got 1st class all weather pitches during his tenure and you can be sure fai funding paid some part in all of those.

[Tipp Top]

thats dissapointing now pony. maybe people in clonmel should try to get to the top of the game with hard work like john delaney has done instead of begrudging him and st michaels to be fair he has done an awful lot for soccer in south tipp. michaels have got floodlighting, town and celtic have got 1st class all weather pitches during his tenure and you can be sure fai funding paid some part in all of those.

John Delaney is figure of ridicule in the nations press,all the pundits and experts have a go at him on tv,former players have lashed him in the media and he is the man who appointed Staunton....so for the good of irish football lets hope nobody in clonmel or anywhere else in Ireland follows his exploits :)

[West Hammer]

There could be at lot more games added to St Stephens day fixture list. Tommy Lewis did warn all clubs that they may have matches over Christmas. I think this weekends freeze out may force his hand. Of course all depends on the weather!!!