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ArdeeBhoy

11/12/2009, 11:12 PM

In the last couple of series you've beaten Cyprus (once, as well as shipping a rugby score to them), and Georgia in a neutral country. Fair enough, you can only play what and where it turns up, but it's hardly that impressive. In the equally recent past, you failed to beat one sixth seed home or away and laboured to a 96th minute winner against the worst team in Europe. Oh, and draws- whether after 90 minutes or 120- don't count as wins.

Not a great record overall, but under Trapp, Ireland have become hard to beat given he doesn't even pick his strongest team! And even the most begrudging Orange bigot might admit we 'enjoyed' no luck v.the French!!!

Perhaps a better measure of international 'success' would be average FIFA(For all those C*nts are worth)'s World 'Rankings' over the last decade?

As for Maths;careful with the hypocrisy! ;)

Not only would they have needed to have got lost between Dublin and
Liverpool- but also fail to spot the difference between an east- and west-facing coastline. Maybe the Luftwaffe crew forgot their compass that night?

A no.of relations alive at the time, told me it was accounted popularly and subsequently, as being 'in error' due to being a foggy night. And bombed Beal-feirste (and Dublin) and error.
Before you get all paranoid, some of them were no fans of the 'Dev' propaganda machine....

You what? Listen, have a word with IFK. He had some drugs available up-thread; you clearly need to change yours.

Re.above & below

People in Glass houses....

Your memory struggles with a game 23 days ago? On second thoughts, don't give the drugs to Janey Mac, take them yourself.

This guy (http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:nyN8dzAauSkJ:ourweecountry.ipbhost. com/index.php%3Fshowtopic%3D27827%26view%3Dgetlastpost +henry+mcstay+our+wee+country&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk) on the north�s forum needs to take a �chill pill� over Darron Gibson.

�Because I hate the sectarian wee toerag to the core�

�Most of all by the scumbags at the FAI, who ripped up a gentleman's agreement to peddle sectarian sh*te in Northern Irish football to further their own interests�
Get over it lads, He�s Irish, he plays for Ireland!

You want to see what they say about Marc Wilson, who may never turn out to be good enough to play for even NE Ulster, anyway....
Unfortunately there's still a substantial no.who've :rolleyes: not taken the NB 'Amendment' !!

Get over it lads, they're Northern Irish, they play for Northern Ireland.

But they must be as British, as some of the locals with that surname??

In the last 10 years, NI have won three of 25 away qualifiers (against San Marino, Liechtenstein and Malta).We haven't beaten a bigger and higher ranked country since Euro 96 qualifying (Austria) or one of the top two seeds/ favourites since WC 1986 (Romania).
Just think how you might have benefited from an AI team then!

When a game goes to extra time the result recorded is the one after 120 minutes. FIFA record the match as a draw and it is recognized as such in the list of results and for the FIFA rankings.Of course we should have won and would have won for a cheating Frenchman and blind Swedish linesman but unfortunately we didn't.
The World Cup as brought to you, when fixed by FIFA....

Not Brazil

11/12/2009, 11:20 PM

Bowen went on to express his 'annoyance' at "the ease" with which northern nationalists could obtain Irish passports :eek:

Mr Bowen might have been even more surpised at "the ease" with which Northern Unionists could have obtained (and can obtain) an Irish passport!:eek:

Not Brazil

11/12/2009, 11:24 PM

You want to see what they say about Marc Wilson, who may never turn out to be good enough to play for even NE Ulster, anyway....
Unfortunately there's still a substantial no.who've :rolleyes: not taken the NB 'Amendment' !!

What do you mean by that?:confused:

Not Brazil

11/12/2009, 11:36 PM

But they must be as British, as some of the locals with that surname??

What do you mean?:confused:

Generally, people born in Northern Ireland are British Citizens, unless they have denounced said Citizenship by sending the appropriate documentation to the UK Home Office, and had their denounciation accepted.

I have yet to meet anyone in Northern Ireland who has done this.

Consequently, most people in Northern Ireland are Dual Nationals (something you don't seem to have a grasp of).

The irredentist Citizenship laws of the Irish Republic afford me Irish Citizenship - I am a British Citizen by birth too.

How do you think "nationalists"from Northern Ireland qualify for the IFA International representative teams...the IFA being a "British" Association, as per FIFA Statutes?

PS: Adams isn't a very "Irish" name, is it?

Greenbod

11/12/2009, 11:39 PM

When a game goes to extra time the result recorded is the one after 120 minutes. FIFA record the match as a draw and it is recognized as such in the list of results and for the FIFA rankings. The FAI will do likewise.

Of course we should have won and would have won but for a cheating Frenchman and a blind Swedish linesman but unfortunately we didn't.

Why did the tie go to extra time?

Not Brazil

11/12/2009, 11:50 PM

I can remember a couple of young lads called Hicks & Lagan playing for Ireland u17's in 98.

Where do they play now?

ArdeeBhoy

11/12/2009, 11:55 PM

What do you mean by that?

Generally, people born in Northern Ireland are British Citizens, unless they have denounced said Citizenship by sending the appropriate documentation to the UK Home Office, and had their denounciation accepted.

I have yet to meet anyone in Northern Ireland who has done this.

Consequently, most people in Northern Ireland are Dual Nationals (something you don't seem to have a grasp of).

The irredentist Citizenship laws of the Irish Republic afford me Irish Citizenship - I am a British Citizen by birth too.

How do you think "nationalists"from Northern Ireland qualify for the IFA International representative teams...the IFA being a "British" Association, as per FIFA Statutes?

PS: Adams isn't a very "Irish" name, is it?

Just read it again.

And was being 'tongue-in-cheek', FFS. You lot are paranoid about everything.
As said before, have family born in Doire & Beal-feirste and just have Irish passports. They're not interested in a British one or denouncing something they've never had. Not that anyone has ever asked them!
;)
If you want a Brit.one, bully for you or whoever. Maybe 'thank' them for their past colonial antics, will you?

And what's the relevance of the 'Adams' mention??

ArdeeBhoy

11/12/2009, 11:56 PM

Why did the tie go to extra time?

Know where yer coming from, but the smart a**es have got it right. And yes, we were robbed.

co. down green

12/12/2009, 12:18 AM

Where do they play now?

No idea, Perhaps the current IFA director of coaching, Roy Millar scared them away from the sport after they committed treason against 'loyal ulster' :rolleyes:

Not Brazil

12/12/2009, 12:25 AM

Just read it again.
And was being 'tongue-in-cheek', FFS. You lot are paranoid about everything.
As said before, have family born in Doire & Beal-feirste and just have Irish passports. They're not interested in a British one or denouncing something they've never had. Not that anyone has ever asked them!
;)
If you want a Brit.one, bully for you or whoever. Maybe 'thank' them for their past colonial antics, will you?

Passports are of no consequence in the context of what I stated...you really need to read up on the respective Citizenship laws of the Republic Of Ireland and the United Kingdom Of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, as they pertain to people on this island.

Not Brazil

12/12/2009, 12:32 AM

No idea, Perhaps the current IFA director of coaching, Roy Millar scared them away from the sport after they committed treason against 'loyal ulster' :rolleyes:

Do you mean Roy Millar, Director Of Coaching at the IFA?

http://www.irishfa.com/the-ifa/news/3664/massive-turnout-at-coaching-conference

:eek:

co. down green

12/12/2009, 12:44 AM

Do you mean Roy Millar, Director Of Coaching at the IFA?

http://www.irishfa.com/the-ifa/news/3664/massive-turnout-at-coaching-conference

:eek:

I presume this the same boy who accused young lads from the North who represented Ireland of ''neglecting their country''.

ArdeeBhoy

12/12/2009, 12:47 AM

Passports are of no consequence in the context of what I stated...you really need to read up on the respective Citizenship laws of the Republic Of Ireland and the United Kingdom Of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, as they pertain to people on this island.

Well you can't have a passport unless you're a citizen and really not interested in tedious attempts at point-scoring. So maybe you just need to accept there's more flexibility in practice.

Not Brazil

12/12/2009, 12:48 AM

I presume this the same boy who accused young lads from the North who represented Ireland of ''neglecting their country''.

After they'd represented Northern Ireland?

Not Brazil

12/12/2009, 12:54 AM

Well you can't have a passport unless you're a citizen

Where have I denied that?:confused:

How do you think Northern Irish nationalists qualify to play for Northern Ireland?

I'll give you a clue - they don't need to have Irish Passports.

co. down green

12/12/2009, 12:56 AM

After they'd represented Northern Ireland?

I thought you knew about the FIFA rules on eligibility?

I presume the England u17 player Oliver Norwood is very welcome in the North's set-up.

http://www.btrcc.lancs.sch.uk/assets/images/NorwoodAjose_H.jpg

Predator

12/12/2009, 12:57 AM

Where have I denied that?:confused:

How do you think Northern Irish nationalists qualify to play for Northern Ireland?

I'll give you a clue - they don't need to have Irish Passports.
They don't need British passports either do they? I thought the requirements were changed?

Not Brazil

12/12/2009, 12:57 AM

not interested in tedious attempts at point-scoring. So maybe you just need to accept there's more flexibility in practice.

Was the whole eligibilty thing not based on who is what?:confused:

Do YOU not need to accept that "there's more flexibility in progess"?:confused:

Not Brazil

12/12/2009, 1:01 AM

They don't need British passports either do they? I thought the requirements were changed?

That's correct - you don't need a passport to be a Citizen of either or both of the United Kingdom of Great Britiain and Northern Ireland and the Republic Of Ireland.

ArdeeBhoy

12/12/2009, 1:16 AM

How do you think Northern Irish nationalists qualify to play for Northern Ireland?

I'll give you a clue - they don't need to have Irish Passports.

Well, as you keep saying it's up to them. Sceptical though about how many nationalists would have a British passport, voluntarily.
Perhaps, er, as a 'flag of convenience', to suit the IFA. And their :rolleyes: constituency.

ArdeeBhoy

12/12/2009, 1:18 AM

Was the whole eligibilty thing not based on who is what?

Do YOU not need to accept that "there's more flexibility in progess"?:confused:

I have. See above. Now who's confused.

Predator

12/12/2009, 1:28 AM

Predator im gaa, but im sorry its still deeply entrenched in everything catholic. I mean county board meetings start with the prayer in irish still in some places.

Although everyone is encouraged to play and I personally love to see it, its still deeply rooted in catholicism
Yeah, I'm aware, but I was basically saying how I commended their all-Ireland basis. I suppose I just shrug off the fact clubs are strongly linked with their local parishes. I'm not religious and it never bothered me, but I can see how it obviously alienates itself from other communities by doing so.

Gather round

12/12/2009, 10:27 AM

Not a great record overall, but under Trapp, Ireland have become hard to beat given he doesn't even pick his strongest team!
Who says he doesn't pick the strongest team available? If so, he'd be a bit daft, surely?

And even the most begrudging Orange bigot might admit we 'enjoyed' no luck v.the French!!!

Can't speak for them, but I'd agree you conceded an unlucky goal to a poor refereeing error. That doesn't fully explain why you lost the tie overall; in the second leg you needed to either a) win by scoring at least two goals, or b) rely on the lottery of penalties. And obviously you couldn't manage a) over either 90 or 120 minutes.

Perhaps a better measure of international 'success' would be average FIFA(For all those C*nts are worth)'s World 'Rankings' over the last decade?

Make up your mind, if they're worthless don't quote them. I'm no fan of the official rankings, but over the last decade they broadly reflect reality: the South have been better than NI, but still pretty mediocre.

A no.of relations alive at the time, told me it was accounted popularly and subsequently, as being 'in error' due to being a foggy night. And bombed Beal-feirste (and Dublin) and error. Before you get all paranoid, some of them were no fans of the 'Dev' propaganda machine....

I'm not at all paranoid; I also have spoken to relatives who lived through the Blitz; the raid on Dublin can't credibly be explained as mistaking it for Belfast, Liverpool or anywhere else. It's got nothing to do with the Dev machine. The Germans targetted Belfast mainly as a major industrial centre and port, but also because British governments in the 1930s had scaled down its defences, thinking German bombers wouldn't have the range to get there. (Which also explains why Shorts' aircraft factory moved from Rochester on Medway in 1938).

But they must be as British, as some of the locals with that surname??

Er, they're both British and Northern Irish.

Just think how you might have benefited from an AI team then!

No point; we wouldn't; not interested. Can't you read?

And what's the relevance of the 'Adams' mention??

Adams is a common surname among Scottish Presbyterians. Of course Gerry's ancestors may have changed from another, similar-sounding Gaelic name.

Well, as you keep saying it's up to them. Sceptical though about how many nationalists would have a British passport, voluntarily. Perhaps, er, as a 'flag of convenience', to suit the IFA. And their constituency

Sorry to be dim, but isn't a passport a basic requirement of playing international football? Regardless of FIFA diktat, but so they can travel to away games, like. I assume some NI players have only RoI passports and that this isn't a problem?

Not Brazil

12/12/2009, 12:40 PM

Well, as you keep saying it's up to them. Sceptical though about how many nationalists would have a British passport, voluntarily.
Perhaps, er, as a 'flag of convenience', to suit the IFA. And their :rolleyes: constituency.

Yes, it is up to them.

The amount of Northern Irish Nationalists who hold a Britsh passport voluntarily is absolutely irrelevant in the context of their British Citizenship.

Northern Irish nationalists do not have to have a British passport to play for Northern Ireland - the fact that they are British Citizens is all that is required, in accordance with FIFA Statutes.

Furthermore, the IFA lobbied FIFA in order that our nationalist players didn't have to have a British passport to evidence their eligibilty to FIFA.

ArdeeBhoy

12/12/2009, 1:59 PM

Ha ha, just as well.

Or that'd be a third or so of your players potentially be upset before they even started.

Lucky they're not as self-righteous as some of their fans though.
;)

ArdeeBhoy

12/12/2009, 11:08 PM

Who says he doesn't pick the strongest team available? If so, he'd be a bit daft, surely?
You keep claiming to be 'Irish', so surely :rolleyes: you would be aware of the vagaries of the selection issues relating to the Ireland football team??

Can't speak for them, but I'd agree you conceded an unlucky goal to a poor refereeing error. That doesn't fully explain why you lost the tie overall; in the second leg you needed to either a) win by scoring at least two goals, or b) rely on the lottery of penalties. And obviously you couldn't manage a) over either 90 or 120 minutes.
Except I was talking about being unlucky;Not about whether you sounded credible in the field of mathematics!
;)

Make up your mind, if they're worthless don't quote them. I'm no fan of the official rankings, but over the last decade they broadly reflect reality: the South have been better than NI, but still pretty mediocre.
Merely suggesting that they may be the best 'credible' measure?? And what have S.America got to do with N.E.Ulster??

I'm not at all paranoid; I also have spoken to relatives who lived through the Blitz; the raid on Dublin can't credibly be explained as mistaking it for Belfast, Liverpool or anywhere else. It's got nothing to do with the Dev machine. The Germans targetted Belfast mainly as a major industrial centre and port, but also because British governments in the 1930s had scaled down its defences, thinking German bombers wouldn't have the range to get there. (Which also explains why Shorts' aircraft factory moved from Rochester on Medway in 1938).
Wasn't asking if you were paranoid, but that's how it was reported broadly in Ireland at the time. Perhaps someone with grand-parents in the Pale then can confirm this?

Er, they're both British and Northern Irish.
Aye with a Welsh surname!
;)

No point; we wouldn't; not interested. Can't you read?
Except weren't asking if you were! Just that it was a possibility.
Paranoia is alive & well?

Sorry to be dim, but isn't a passport a basic requirement of playing international football? Regardless of FIFA diktat, but so they can travel to away games, like. I assume some NI players have only RoI passports and that this isn't a problem?

Except that we kept being told it isn't. With the exception of away games outside the EU!

Gather round

13/12/2009, 9:59 AM

You keep claiming to be 'Irish', so surely you would be aware of the vagaries of the selection issues relating to the Ireland football team??

I'm 100% Irish; apart from the inevitable injuries and so on, the only significant vagary I'm aware of is that one of your most gifted players isn't interested, for whatever reasons of his own.

Except I was talking about being unlucky;Not about whether you sounded credible in the field of mathematics!

You were definitely unlucky to concede a goal (which didn't in itself increase the number of goals you needed to score on the night). It's arguable whether you were unlucky in the tournament as a whole, or even the tie as a whole.

Merely suggesting that they may be the best 'credible' measure??

Pretty much every measure suggests you've been better than us over the decade as a whole. In the five tournaments, you've outpointed us in four.

that's how it was reported broadly in Ireland at the time
The alternative that I mentioned was also widely reported; the mistaken identity theory has been widely discredited since.

Aye with a Welsh surname!

So what? Your current side includes players with French, Scottish and English surnames.

Except that we kept being told it isn't. With the exception of away games outside the EU!

A British or Irish passport holder living in Britain needs it to leave the country for any foreign country (EU or otherwise) bar the RoI. Doesn't the same apply leaving the RoI for any country other than Britain?

ArdeeBhoy

13/12/2009, 11:31 AM

Is the 'Nonsense'/WD spool on 'Repeat' ??

Gather round

13/12/2009, 12:20 PM

Is the 'Nonsense'/WD spool on 'Repeat' ??

Aye, it seems to be- you've posted the same repetitive nonsense 140 times on this thread alone.

ArdeeBhoy

13/12/2009, 1:28 PM

Hardly.
That's been in response to abundant paranoia mainly from a largely circular poster!
:)

NB might sound like a broken record, but at least he uses a credence of logic....

Fixer82

13/12/2009, 6:26 PM

ArdeeBhoy

13/12/2009, 6:37 PM

I'm 100% Irish; apart from the inevitable injuries and so on, the only significant vagary I'm aware of is that one of your most gifted players isn't interested, for whatever reasons of his own.

Except you claim to be British, so how can you (or anyone) claim to be 100% 'Irish'? 50% of each, unless of course you're two people ??
And clearly you need to do more research about the Ireland team!
;)

You were definitely unlucky to concede a goal (which didn't in itself increase the number of goals you needed to score on the night). It's arguable whether you were unlucky in the tournament as a whole, or even the tie as a whole.
We'll argue we were....Even the main culprit disagrees with you!

The alternative that I mentioned was also widely reported; the mistaken identity theory has been widely discredited since.
Hmm, so all my relatives and the whole of the contemporary Irish media were :rolleyes: wrong.
'Loyalism' has such a great record of re-writing history....

So what? Your current side includes players with French, Scottish and English surnames.
So what? They're not claiming or eligible for dual nationality!

Aye, it seems to be- you've posted the same repetitive nonsense 140 times on this thread alone.

Yes, in response to your inaccurate drivel. Get a grasp of Geography, spelling, maths & history from a proper source;then we might take you seriously ??

ArdeeBhoy

13/12/2009, 6:38 PM

Gather round

13/12/2009, 7:12 PM

Ah the lads are afraid their beloved team will disappear into an All-Ireland team

No, we don't think there's any realistic likelihood of it happening. Read the thread, if you can.

Except you claim to be British, so how can you (or anyone) claim to be 100% 'Irish'?

Quite simply, as the two don't contradict.

And clearly you need to do more research about the Ireland team!

I don't need to do anything. I've accurately pointed out who you can and do pick for your football team.

We'll argue we were....Even the main culprit disagrees with you!

Fine, argue what you like- although you might want to concentrate on future matches instead. Many- including among your own support- will counter that the handballed goal is only part of the explanation for why you didn't qualify.

Hmm, so all my relatives and the whole of the contemporary Irish media were wrong. 'Loyalism' has such a great record of re-writing history...

Not all the contemporary media claimed that the air raid on Dublin was an accident; why wouldn't your relatives (or anyone else) be wrong? Think about it- the Free State's neutrality in WW2/ Emergency was clearly benevolent in favor of Britain and the allies; so Germany had plasible reason to attack as a test of whether Dev would declare on the Allied side- in turn justifying an invasion of Ireland, or at least further attacks.

It's got nothing to do with 'loyalism', nor indeed 'rewriting of history'.

So what? They're not claiming or eligible for dual nationality!

Don't be absurd. St Ledger and Lawrence were eligible to play for England, Gibson for Northern Ireland.

then we might take you seriously

I can live with it if you don't.

ArdeeBhoy

13/12/2009, 8:05 PM

Hmm, where to begin?
It doesn't matter how often you moronically repeat it, you're still talking total Drivel!

If it's not a basic grasp of maths, then it's lacking who's actually available to play for the Irish football team. Or a re-writing of history issue based on your own flawed opinion, not to mention confused spelling!

Similarly a failure to accept the French game was completed in controversial circumstances! Even Bl*tter :rolleyes: managed that FFS!!!

And like you keep repeating, none of our players are eligible to play for anyone else, least of all N-E.Ulster. In the case of Gibson, as you might say :rolleyes:, 'Get Over it'. ;)
Then someone might take you seriously, one day in the distant future?

Fixer82

13/12/2009, 8:28 PM

'our wee country' should really be 'our wee state which is part of the country of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland because we are British but also Irish and the two don't contradict'.....

wonder if I can fit 'sitchyation' in there somewhere??

Not Brazil

13/12/2009, 9:14 PM

Ah the lads are afraid their beloved team will disappear into an All-Ireland team.

The Northern Ireland team is no more, or no less, beloved to Northern Ireland supporters than the Republic Of Ireland team isto Republic Of Ireland supporters.

We should probably be more "afraid" of it forming part of an "All United Kingdom" team - but, I don't envisage that happening any time soon.

Not Brazil

13/12/2009, 9:29 PM

So what? They're not claiming or eligible for dual nationality!

Players born in England and Scotland holding Irish Citizenship are Dual Nationals. They are also British Citizens.

Aidan McGeady is a British and Irish Citizen ie. he has Dual Nationality. He was, most certainly, eligible to play for Scotland (as Scotland fans will be quick to tell you) but chose to play for the Republic Of Ireland.

Any player born in Northern Ireland is now eligible to play for either Northern Ireland or the Republic Of Ireland.

Their British Citizenship (by birth) affords them eligility to play for Northern Ireland.

Their Irish Citizenship (a birthright) affords them eligibility to play for the Republic Of Ireland.

The right to choice was established.

Northern Ireland fans will robustly defend the right of choice of any player born in Northern Ireland to play for Northern Ireland, and resist the calls of those who wish to deny that choice.

EalingGreen

13/12/2009, 9:44 PM

Ah the lads are afraid their beloved team will disappear into an All-Ireland team. The fact is because of the sectarianism and bigotry that is rife among many of its football fans (the Norn Ireland team hardly represents people from West Belfast or the Bogside or South Armagh) it will probably be the last thing to be united on this island.

But it will unite eventually..

bless the Lord!
I predict Ulster to say 'no' to this post...

Although it's not your first post on this thread, it's the first one which has really caught my attention.

But following on from Ardee Bhoy's stream of (un)consciousness, I am hardly tempted to say "No".

Rather, I was reminded of a story about Mike & Bernie Winters - two brothers who were a popular entertainment act in the 1950's and 60's. (Featuring a handsome musician and a goofy-looking comic, they were the British answer to Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis).

Anyhow, they were booked to play in the Glasgow Empire - a venue notorious for being the "hardest" in Britain. They started out with the dapper Mike coming out alone on stage and playing the clarinet.

Total silence.

He played on regardless.

More silence.

Finally after two or three successively more excruciating minutes, Bernie made his first appearance, by poking his head out from behind the curtain to the side of the stage, with his trademark toothy grin.

"Fcuk me, there's two of them!", exclaimed a lone voice from the audience...

Not Brazil

13/12/2009, 9:50 PM

And like you keep repeating, none of our players are eligible to play for anyone else, least of all N-E.Ulster. In the case of Gibson, as you might say :rolleyes:, 'Get Over it'. ;)

Who has said none of your current players were eligible to play for anyone else? That would be absurd.:confused:

Your English born players were eligible to play for England.

McGeady was eligible to play for Scotland.

The vast majority of players born in Northern Ireland choose to play for Northern Ireland - "Get Over it".

ArdeeBhoy

13/12/2009, 10:00 PM

Yawn. What of it?

Surely you've got some :rolleyes: re-educating to do elsewhere, if some of the anti-Irish views of some of your supposedly 'Irish' fans quoted on here, are anything to go by.

ArdeeBhoy

13/12/2009, 10:19 PM

Players born in England and Scotland holding Irish Citizenship are Dual Nationals. They are also British Citizens.

Aidan McGeady is a British and Irish Citizen ie. he has Dual Nationality. He was, most certainly, eligible to play for Scotland (as Scotland fans will be quick to tell you) but chose to play for the Republic Of Ireland.

Any player born in Northern Ireland is now eligible to play for either Northern Ireland or the Republic Of Ireland.

Their British Citizenship (by birth) affords them eligility to play for Northern Ireland.

Their Irish Citizenship (a birthright) affords them eligibility to play for the Republic Of Ireland.

The right to choice was established.

You're wrong in practical terms.

Know dozens of people born in Britain & its local colonies, but they don't have, nor are now eligible for, a Brit. passport. But then that's the :rolleyes: the real world.
;)

Not Brazil

13/12/2009, 10:25 PM

You're wrong in practical terms.

Know dozens of people born in Britain & its local colonies, but they don't have, nor are now eligible for, a Brit. passport. But then that's the :rolleyes: the real world.
;)

You really need to read up on British Citizenship laws:

If you were born in the United Kingdom before 1 January 1983, you are almost certainly a British citizen. The only exception is if you were born to certain diplomatic staff of foreign missions who had diplomatic immunity.

If you were born in the United Kingdom on or after 1 January 1983, you are a British citizen if at the time of your birth one of your parents was:

■a British citizen; or
■legally settled in the United Kingdom

That's in "practical terms", of course, "in the real world";)

ArdeeBhoy

13/12/2009, 10:37 PM

Might be what it says in the book. But you lot are so irrationally obsessive about Brit.passports.

They don't & won't give them to just anyone. Besides lots of the various diaspora, including the Irish, they have a :rolleyes: particular thing about non-whites or people outside the EU.

Regardless of whether 'legally settled'.

Not Brazil

13/12/2009, 10:46 PM

Might be what it says in the book. But you lot are so irrationally obsessive about Brit.passports.

They don't & won't give them to just anyone.

No, it's you who is going on about Passports, seemingly "irrationally obsessive" about them.

I'm talking about Citizenship.

I tend to base my discussions on such issues on "what it says in the book".

But, for what it's worth, I understand the Republic Of Ireland don't and won't give out Passports to "just anyone" either.

ArdeeBhoy

13/12/2009, 10:54 PM

No, it's you who is going on about Passports, seemingly "irrationally obsessive" about them.

I'm talking about Citizenship.

I tend to base my discussions on such issues on "what it says in the book".

But, for what it's worth, I understand the Republic Of Ireland don't and won't give out Passports to "just anyone" either.

Yes, but it's not what happens in reality. Or are you really that naive or stupid?

And Ireland didn't go round illegally :rolleyes: colonizing half the world like your heroes.
Or maybe that's what appeals?
;)

Not Brazil

13/12/2009, 10:58 PM

Besides lots of the various diaspora, including the Irish, they have a :rolleyes: particular thing about non-whites or people outside the EU.

Regardless of whether 'legally settled'.

The conditions to become a British Citizen for those from outside the EU are as follows:

•To have been a permanent resident in the UK for at least one year

•To have legally lived in the UK for a minimum of 5 complete years (with no more than 450 days spent abroad, and no more than 90 days on the year leading up to the application)

•Intend to continue living in the UK

•Have adequate knowledge of English, Gaelic :eek: or Welsh

•Be of “good character” (i.e. have no criminal record).

For those "not settled", the rules are thus:

Even if you were born in the United Kingdom, you will not be a British citizen if neither of your parents was a British citizen or legally settled in the UK at the time of your birth. This means you are not a British citizen if, at the time of your birth, your parents were in the country temporarily, had stayed on without permission, or had entered the country illegally and had not been given permission to stay in the UK indefinitely.

What this has to do with "non white" people, perhaps you can enlighten us?