Jamie O'Hara

[Noelys Guitar]

Maybe one or two even playing in the play-offs. Big shock this. Just listened to the interview. here is a snippet

"We have widened the squad and we still need new blood. We look for father, grandfathers, mothers. Perhaps there are other players out there who will qualify to play for us. We need to find new blood," said Trap.

"We know Jamie O'Hara and Kyle Naughton, for instance, qualify to play for Ireland," added Trap, who will also send Marco Tardelli to watch Newcastle midfielder Kevin Nolan. "We look where we have to and maybe we will find some new players."

[Leeside Swagger]

Is the interview online Noely? Sounds interesting.

[Noelys Guitar]

Is the interview online Noely? Sounds interesting.

I took these quotes from the back of this evenings Herald. But he made the comments in an open interview with Sky/BBC and I'm sure RTE would have been there. Will load it as soon as I can. Here is the entire article
http://www.herald.ie/sport/soccer/trap---fresh-blood-needed-1916160.html

[briancool21]

Wouldn't Nolan be another Stephen Ireland didn't want to play for us

[Noelys Guitar]

Wouldn't Nolan be another Stephen Ireland didn't want to play for us

I'm not sure he ever turned us down as much as he did'nt qualify under the old rules. And Trap has proven he is prepared to throw players straight into battle. So who knows what the team will be come Nov 14th. O'Hara might well get a look in.

[Duggie]

i dont want any of these type players. if your not interested from the start then stay away. personally i wouldnt even entertain the idea if i was manager. i would have a real problem with these pulling on the green shirt.

[Wolfie]

Hope this doesn't overshadow the build up to play-offs. Don't need any distractions.

[IsMiseSean]

i dont want any of these type players. if your not interested from the start then stay away. personally i wouldnt even entertain the idea if i was manager. i would have a real problem with these pulling on the green shirt.

I wouldn't have a problem with these lads playing, if they turn up and give 100% and improve the team, we need all the help we can!!
Even the top nations are bringing in players like this anymore.
Spain/Senna, Germany/Cacua, Croatia/Eduardo... There is probably more Im forgetting!

[amaccann]

I don't want to qualify that badly that I'm willing to let in a bunch of English players with borderline ancestry, just because the rules have changed. It simply cheapens the notion of international football.

[Duggie]

I don't want to qualify that badly that I'm willing to let in a bunch of English players with borderline ancestry, just because the rules have changed. It simply cheapens the notion of international football.

ya - i want to qualify so badly but not with these guys coming over and putting on the green jersey. someone like mcgeady i love, hes come up through the ranks with us and that but i dont want to see the likes of nolan turning up now. no way.

[Duggie]

i mean nolan has played 2 times for england u21. are u guys crazy. him standing to our national anthem. would make me sick.

[an_ceannaire]

i dont want any of these type players. if your not interested from the start then stay away. personally i wouldnt even entertain the idea if i was manager. i would have a real problem with these pulling on the green shirt.


I take it so you were absolutely horrified by the sight of Andy Townsend and Kevin Sheedy in the green Duggie???

[as_i_say]

Scorer of the equalizer last Saturday, Camoronesi. 100% Argentinian.

[Duggie]

I take it so you were absolutely horrified by the sight of Andy Townsend and Kevin Sheedy in the green Duggie???

what im trying to say is the likes of nolan and o'hara have played for england u21's. would you want them playing for us ????? i dont think townsend and shhedy ever played for eng before. correct me if im wrong.

[as_i_say]

I take it so you were absolutely horrified by the sight of Andy Townsend and Kevin Sheedy in the green Duggie???

I would still rather have 90% of the team Irish than the squad of USA 1994 where 6 of them were born in Ireland:eek:

[rambler14]

Wouldn't Nolan be another Stephen Ireland didn't want to play for us

Yes but then he signed for Newcastle and now haasn't a hope of getting an England call-up!

[DeNiro]

Maybe one or two even playing in the play-offs. Big shock this. Just listened to the interview. here is a snippet

"We have widened the squad and we still need new blood. We look for father, grandfathers, mothers. Perhaps there are other players out there who will qualify to play for us. We need to find new blood," said Trap.

"We know Jamie O'Hara and Kyle Naughton, for instance, qualify to play for Ireland," added Trap, who will also send Marco Tardelli to watch Newcastle midfielder Kevin Nolan. "We look where we have to and maybe we will find some new players."

It would be a big risk to throw a new player in into such an important game. I think the above names might be to throw off the scent, maybe there's one or two others that we don't know about, who might be eligible but Trap doesn't want to publicise it.

[theneutral]

yes please.

O'Hara definatly, we badly need a new left full and id have him straight into the side ahead of Kilbane at the minute.

Naughtan shows plenty of potential and could be a good addition also, even if he stays at his current level he is betetr than some of the others we have, if as expected he gets better then its win win!

Nolan aswell, few years left in him, a talented player and id have no problem seeing him in the centre of our midfield.

I dont see the problem with any of this, if they qualify and are better than whats there already and WANT to play for us then why not!

The world isint the same place as it was 40 years ago!

[shaneker]

what im trying to say is the likes of nolan and o'hara have played for england u21's. would you want them playing for us ????? i dont think townsend and shhedy ever played for eng before. correct me if im wrong.

From Wikipedia.

Andy O'Brien has dual British-Irish citizenship, and despite representing England at under 18 and under 21 level,[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_O%27Brien_%28footballer%29#cite_note-8) he elected to represent the Republic of Ireland at under 21 and senior level.

Did you have the same opinion when he played for us?

OT - The article also says he was an 'integral' part of the '02 WC Squad?? Did he even play?

[geysir]

'Nolan for Ireland' has a Rasputin like durability.

[greendeiseboy]

I have no problem with foreign born players declaring for us provided it's for the right reasons...Kilbane and StLeger type players who always wanted to play for us.

The problem I have are freeloaders who if we qualify will jump on the bandwagon to get to a World Cup. I expect to see a few of these imerge if we do and If so I hope the management have the foresight to cop these.

Just another point, at this stage Kieron Westwood has yet to play a competitive game for us. Just say we dont qualify and given Englands lack of a top class goalkeeper. Just say he got an england call up... what do you think he might do?

[as_i_say]

I have no problem with foreign born players declaring for us provided it's for the right reasons...Kilbane and StLeger type players who always wanted to play for us.

The problem I have are freeloaders who if we qualify will jump on the bandwagon to get to a World Cup. I expect to see a few of these imerge if we do and If so I hope the management have the foresight to cop these.

Just another point, at this stage Kieron Westwood has yet to play a competitive game for us. Just say we dont qualify and given Englands lack of a top class goalkeeper. Just say he got an england call up... what do you think he might do?

But he's a good catholic lad. Surely the thought would never cross his mind:o

[rambler14]

Just another point, at this stage Kieron Westwood has yet to play a competitive game for us. Just say we dont qualify and given Englands lack of a top class goalkeeper. Just say he got an england call up... what do you think he might do?

He'd be ineligible as he has caps for Ireland.

[SuperDave]

Jamie O'Hara isn't a left back, he's a central midfielder

Nonetheless, we are short in that position too, so I'd take him. I actually have no problem with him in the team. The weird thing is he was called up to England under 21s when we played them. He didn't play but he was in the squad. Kevin Nolan is a goalscoring central midfielder but we already have Glenn Whelan.... I don't think he is capable of the kind of goal Whelan scored last Saturday, but I would still have him in the squad, if he wants to join us. Lets face it, most of the players we had in the 90s would have played for England had they been selected but they weren't and we were second choice. Senna, Deco and Eduardo all play for the countries they do cos they decided they would never get such regular action with Brazil and no-one questions their international motivation. I'd have them in the squad ans certainly wouldn't let that count against them.

[Noelys Guitar]

My own take on this is that Trap feels we can't beat a top side with the squad we have now and so he must make some adjustments and pronto. No point recruiting after the play-offs. Do it now. And as he has shown with players like St Ledger & Lawerence he will throw them in if he feels they are better than what we have now. This guy is determined to get to the World Cup come what may. And if that means upsetting people by recruiting people like Nolan I doubt he will bat an eyelid (and I fully understand peoples feelings about giving someone a cap who likes Guinness). He sent the message out today for people to digest before the first play off game. I would not be at all surprised if Nolan or O'Hara lined up on November 14th (especailly if their are any injuries).

[greendeiseboy]

He'd be ineligible as he has caps for Ireland.

Yeah, I'm aware of that - but it was a friendly. Can he still change his mind?

[Dun Laoire]

Please no! Not for this campaign anyway. The lads have worked very hard to get to the playoffs. Leave alone for now Trap. Please

[Eirambler]

He'd be ineligible as he has caps for Ireland.

No competitive appearances though. With the recent rule changes he could still play for England in theory.

[briancool21]

Anything that can improve our squad has to be welcomed especally seen as certain players aren't like by the manager haha..Still says a lotabout dear stephen ireland if a couple of english lads want to play for ireland more

[SwanVsDalton]

Feel a bit squeamish about this but one thing is for sure, Wednesday night opened Trap's eyes to some serious defincies. With Rowlands ruled out (and possibly played out anyway) and Miller not the right calibre, he's looking for some proven quality who can slot straight in.

[Noelys Guitar]

Anything that can improve our squad has to be welcomed especally seen as certain players aren't like by the manager haha..Still says a lotabout dear stephen ireland if a couple of english lads want to play for ireland more

You make a good point. We have somebody in Manchester who needs serious therapy not wanting to play for his country. And then we have English/Irish guys wanting to play for us.

[drummerboy]

This guy was with the Youth team under Kerr and walked away not wanting to play for us then, why should be take him back now. Its not as if he is anyway decent.

[SkStu]

Please no! Not for this campaign anyway. The lads have worked very hard to get to the playoffs. Leave alone for now Trap. Please

agreed. To do this, if it proves to be the case, at this late stage leaves a sour taste in my mouth. 3 guys who have each in their own way turned us down already... the mind boggles.

[Colbert Report]

The only way any of these three guys make it into the playoff squads are if we are hit by major injuries in the next three weeks. They won't make their debuts until after the World Cup, should we qualify.

I'm all for them playing, by the way.

[kellco88]

Disappointing to see this from Trap. I dont think we should look at players who qualify through parents/grandparents when players like Fahey and Reid aren't being considered.

[stiffler]

Anyone played the new football manager? its always a good source of finding players with irish ancestory!

[stiffler]

What about Matt Derbyshire?

Think he is married to an Irish girl, that would qualify him for a passport?

He would be a great option for up front!!

[amaccann]

I take it so you were absolutely horrified by the sight of Andy Townsend and Kevin Sheedy in the green Duggie???
I think the difference in this scenario is that we're basically dealing with failed English internationals giving up on their chosen nation because they know they haven't a chance & throwing their lot into a convenient "second" country.

It's not like they haven't existed before in Irish international football, but just because the laws of the game now make it easier for these potential turncoats to change their mind, doesn't mean we should rub our hands and go "oh goody!".

Not every plastic paddy turns out to be a Andy Townsend who sweats blood for the cause. Many, if not most, turn out to be journeymen just trying to boost their club careers.

[Colbert Report]

What about Matt Derbyshire?

Think he is married to an Irish girl, that would qualify him for a passport?

He would be a great option for up front!!

No, he's a big England supporter.

[irishfan86]

No, he's a big England supporter.

And has played for their U-21 team as recently as this year...

No thanks.

[Crosby87]

I would still rather have 90% of the team Irish than the squad of USA 1994 where 6 of them were born in Ireland:eek:

Really? Who John Harkes and who else? Just curious.

[shaneker]

Disappointing to see this from Trap. I dont think we should look at players who qualify through parents/grandparents when players like Fahey and Reid aren't being considered.

Take it none of your family were unfortunate enough to be forced to emigrate.

Good for you.

[tetsujin1979]

Really? Who John Harkes and who else? Just curious.squad here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_FIFA_World_Cup_squads#USA
Almost certain John O'Brien - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_O'Brien_(soccer) - qualified for Ireland, but I don't think he was ever approached to play for us.

<EDIT>
Just realised I got that wrong, and that as_i_say meant that 8 of the Ireland squad were born in Ireland
The squad is here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_FIFA_World_Cup_squads#Republic_of_Ireland
Of those Bonner, Irwin, Moran, Keane, Staunton, Kelly, and Whelan were born in the Republic and Kernaghan was born in Belfast
McGrath was born in London but grew up in Dublin

[SuperDave]

I think the difference in this scenario is that we're basically dealing with failed English internationals giving up on their chosen nation because they know they haven't a chance & throwing their lot into a convenient "second" country.

It's not like they haven't existed before in Irish international football, but just because the laws of the game now make it easier for these potential turncoats to change their mind, doesn't mean we should rub our hands and go "oh goody!".

Not every plastic paddy turns out to be a Andy Townsend who sweats blood for the cause. Many, if not most, turn out to be journeymen just trying to boost their club careers.

Name one.... apart from Paul Butler, obviously.

[boovidge]

All three of these cases are guys who wanted/want to play for another country first and we are the back up choice. If it means that they take the place of players with a genuine passion for the shirt then I'm quite uncomfortable with that.

Having said that, examples like Townsend show that players who wouldn't have considered themselves Irish first and foremost can play their heart out for the team. So I'm a little torn.

Seems to be strange timing anyway.

[EalingGreen]

Just realised I got that wrong, and that as_i_say meant that 8 of the Ireland squad were born in Ireland
The squad is here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_FIFA_World_Cup_squads#Republic_of_Ireland
Of those Bonner, Irwin, Moran, Keane, Staunton, Kelly, and Whelan were born in the Republic and Kernaghan was born in Belfast
McGrath was born in London but grew up in Dublin

Actually, the whole point about Kernaghan was that he was born in England, NOT Belfast; if he had been born in NI, he would never have played for ROI:
http://sport.scotsman.com/rangersfc/Kernaghan-still-pushing-back-the.3337606.jp
(A couple of minor factual errors in that article, but the jist is OK i.e. such was the "stick-in-the-mud" attitude of the IFA, that they for a long time they refused to recognise Grandparentage as conferring eligibility, even after FIFA authorised it and other countries were taking advantage of same)

[tetsujin1979]

Actually, the whole point about Kernaghan was that he was born in England, NOT Belfast; if he had been born in NI, he would never have played for ROI:
http://sport.scotsman.com/rangersfc/Kernaghan-still-pushing-back-the.3337606.jp
(A couple of minor factual errors in that article, but the jist is OK i.e. such was the "stick-in-the-mud" attitude of the IFA, that they for a long time they refused to recognise Grandparentage as conferring eligibility, even after FIFA authorised it and other countries were taking advantage of same)
my mistake, I was going by his wikipedia page - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Kernaghan

Born in Otley, West Belfast

[Razors left peg]

Name one.... apart from Paul Butler, obviously.

Thats a good point, I dont ever remember looking at a player in an Irish shirt and thinking that he wasnt giving it everything because he wasnt born in Ireland.

[third policeman]

Hey IFK, you seem strangely silent on the Nolan issue this time round. I presume the fact that Tardelli is watching him today means we must now also question the latter's intelligence, loyalty and footballing judgement? Why would he be willing to watch a mediocity who would add nothing to the squad and dosen't want to play for us in any case?

[Kildare Lad]

In my opinion if they're good enough, call them up into the squad. If there are players out there who can improve our squad and qualify to play for us then I think it would be a waste not to call them up.