Jamie O'Hara

[geysir]

AFAIA, Butler applied for Irish nationality 1999? after being married to an Irish woman for more than 3 years.
This was acceptable then as satisfying FIFA eligibility rules - before the 2003 changes introduced to prevent the obvious abuse of the rules by the Brazilians getting Oman nationality.

[Charlie Darwin]

Gary O'Neil and I would definetly go with Kilgallon ( I remember reading he approached Stan 3 years back ) I would like to see Jonjo Shelvey but apparently he snubbed a approached from Brady before the France games.
Just signed for Liverpool

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2565/exclusives/2010/04/28/1899082/liverpool-new-boy-jonjo-shelvey-will-be-ideal-replacement

[rebelmusic]

What an odd wiki page. It's all normal giving out stats and then says "He's basically the best young English player in the country and all you jealous byutes can go and cry into your pints.." hod odd...

[CraftyToePoke]

It may have been mentioned on here previously, but does anyone know if Andy Carroll at Newcaslte has been approached or is qualified to play for us?

I read somewhere that Scotland had approached him. He looks a decent player from what ive seen.

[Deckydee]

It may have been mentioned on here previously, but does anyone know if Andy Carroll at Newcaslte has been approached or is qualified to play for us?

I read somewhere that Scotland had approached him. He looks a decent player from what ive seen.

He is for Scotland me thinks

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/championship/newcastleunited/7443206/Newcastle-striker-Andy-Carroll-considers-switch-from-England-to-Scotland.html

[CraftyToePoke]

James Vaughan - Everton


this is close enough for me, stick a flag in him boys, http://www.goireland.com/genealogy/family.htm?FamilyId=226

[bwagner]

Vaughan has roots from Trinidad and Tobago

[robbie_B]

This feller should never be mentioned for an Irish call up again. http://www.footballfancast.com/football-blogs/lonergan-would-welcome-ireland-call-up

[Paddy Garcia]

I thought he had switched once already - from us to England!

[greendeiseboy]

This feller should never be mentioned for an Irish call up again. http://www.footballfancast.com/football-blogs/lonergan-would-welcome-ireland-call-up

What a total doorknob

[TrapAPony]

This feller should never be mentioned for an Irish call up again. http://www.footballfancast.com/football-blogs/lonergan-would-welcome-ireland-call-up

Agreed. I'm all for granny rulers but this fella is a bit of an ass. We have enough Championship goalkeepers to choose from anyway.

[Charlie Darwin]

hahaha at least he was honest

[Razors left peg]

He was honest and his honesty should mean he is never considered again

[Adrock]

Agreed. I'm all for granny rulers but this fella is a bit of an ass. We have enough Championship goalkeepers to choose from anyway.

No we don't want these honest, patriotic grannyrulers, much better the lying two-faced mercenary types we'll end up with. :rolleyes:
Goalkeepers are kind of a different breed to regular footballers it seems. They seem to sometimes have brains and opinions and a tendency to tell the truth which sets them apart. Mind you our outfield players sometimes seem capable of this too..........they just tend to wait til their autobiographies come out to demonstrate it.

[outspoken]

If players across the pond want to play for Ireland and there of a good quality then thats great I see no problem with that but if players are being called up just because they play in England then thats in poor taste from Trap especially when he wont even come to a LOI game.

I dont see Nolan playing for Ireland he really wants to play for England. I reckon O'Hara will wait a few more years before deciding as he has a great chance in making it into the England team but there's loads of others out there so the future is looking bright for the Irish Team.

[tetsujin1979]

If players across the pond want to play for Ireland and there of a good quality then thats great I see no problem with that but if players are being called up just because they play in England then thats in poor taste from Trap especially when he wont even come to a LOI game.
apart from this one: http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2009/0821/bohemians_galway.html

Giovanni Trapattoni and Marco Tardelli were in attendance to see Bohemians stream roll over Galway and move eight points clear of Shamrock Rovers

[Charlie Darwin]

It's probably fair to say he doesn't exert himself, though. Hopefully he'll attend a few European games later in the/next season to see the top players against a higher standard of opposition.

[outspoken]

It's probably fair to say he doesn't exert himself, though. Hopefully he'll attend a few European games later in the/next season to see the top players against a higher standard of opposition. its fair to say he has no interest in the LOI

[Deckydee]

England have named their squad for the World Cup. O'Hara didnt even make it into the provisional squad. I guess we will wait until the WC is over now to see his next move.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2968448/England-name-World-Cup-squad.html

EDIT - I wonder will we see any shakes now from some fringe players after this announcement?

[TrapAPony]

England have named their squad for the World Cup. O'Hara didnt even make it into the provisional squad. I guess we will wait until the WC is over now to see his next move.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2968448/England-name-World-Cup-squad.html

EDIT - I wonder will we see any shakes now from some fringe players after this announcement?

O'Hara was never going to make the provisional squad, don't know what made him think that he had a chance.

Gary Cahill also didn't make it which tbh wasn't surprising either. As well as the central defenders named in the provisional squad ie. Carragher, King, Terry, Ferdinand, Dawson, Upson, one would also presume that Phil Jagielka, Joleon Lescott, Wes Brown and Ryan Shawcross are ahead of him too...as would Jonathan Woodgate if he gets fit. Wonder what he'll do?

[Serb]

Was O'Hara ever mentioned as a possible inclusion in the squad? That would have been a pretty massive shock if he was included. Capello was trying to talk Paul Scholes out of international retirement, couldn't include David Beckham and Owen Hargreaves because of injury and overlooked Steward Downing. I'd expect all of those players to be included in the squad ahead of O'Hara. His England career doesn't look too promising at the moment.

[Stuttgart88]

He's also got a broken bone in his back.

[DannyInvincible]

In semi-related news, FIFA has formally declared three French-born players who played for France at under-age level - Habib Belaid, Ryad Boudebouz and Mohamed Chakhouri - eligible to represent Algeria at the World Cup. As it happens, it's more than likely they'll make their debuts against us seeing as we're their next opponents.

There are a few other players trying to utilise this ruling in the hope that they also may represent their second nationality at the World Cup, including former Liverpool player Carl Medjani, who hopes to switch from France to Algeria as well, and Kevin Prince Boateng, who wishes to switch from Germany to Ghana.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8677404.stm

[Serb]

I see O'Hara has started the FA cup final despite his back injury. I'm not suggesting he was every going to be picked (http://foot.ie/threads/126140-Nolan-O-Hara-and-Naughton-possible-call-ups?p=1356865&viewfull=1#post1356865), but the injury certainly wouldn't have kept him out of the squad had there been a chance he was going.

[TrapAPony]

In semi-related news, FIFA has formally declared three French-born players who played for France at under-age level - Habib Belaid, Ryad Boudebouz and Mohamed Chakhouri - eligible to represent Algeria at the World Cup. As it happens, it's more than likely they'll make their debuts against us seeing as we're their next opponents.

There are a few other players trying to utilise this ruling in the hope that they also may represent their second nationality at the World Cup, including former Liverpool player Carl Medjani, who hopes to switch from France to Algeria as well, and Kevin Prince Boateng, who wishes to switch from Germany to Ghana.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8677404.stm

Two others who have used this rule for the World Cup are Paraguay for Lucas Barrios (Borussia Dortmund) who's Argentinian and the Cameroon for former German U21 International Eric Maxim Choupo-Moting (Hamburg). Nigeria tried to get former English U21 Nedum Onuoha (Man City) and former German U21 Dennis Aogo (Hamburg) (since been capped for Germany) for the World Cup but they didn't join. However, Onuoha today said he has not ruled out playing for Nigeria in the future.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/africa/8684398.stm

[ofjames]

Sky sports news are carrying an interview with o'hara this evening (while he's fly fishing)

didn't say anything concerning us in the bit I saw but the presenter said they would be broadcasting the segments when he discusses his club and international future in the morning show

keep an eye out for it

[Razors left peg]

Sky sports news are carrying an interview with o'hara this evening (while he's fly fishing)

didn't say anything concerning us in the bit I saw but the presenter said they would be broadcasting the segments when he discusses his club and international future in the morning show

keep an eye out for it

he just spoke briefly about it. He said that he has always loved playing for England so its a big decision to make.He has alot of Irish family so he doesnt want to disrespect anyone and he will make up his mind over the summer.He also said that he doesnt want to make a big deal of it while hes making the decision

[Deckydee]

Also here:

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/10/05/18/manual_090839.html&TEAMHD=soccer

http://www.teamtalk.com/news/2483/6160634/O-Hara-pondering-switch-to-Republic

[Scooby Doo]

Reading between the lines, it arguably seems quite positive. Retirees from the England team will prob be a significant factor in his decision but i'd tend to be more confident than not that he will come on board. He'd be a great addition to an already strong looking future midfield. So disappointing about David Meyler's injury though.

[TrapAPony]

Very good addition. The first of many maybe?

[SwanVsDalton]

Apologies if this has been answered already but how does O'Hara qualify? Father or grandfather (on father's side)? Just curious. Think he's be a very good addition if he was to declare, has had a great season.

[Deckydee]

Reading between the lines, it arguably seems quite positive. Retirees from the England team will prob be a significant factor in his decision but i'd tend to be more confident than not that he will come on board. He'd be a great addition to an already strong looking future midfield. So disappointing about David Meyler's injury though.

Does anyone know who will be retiring from the England squad after the WC?

[Deckydee]

Dont worry Swan, its has only been asked about a million times now ;)

His father is from Magherafelt and his Grandmother is from Wicklow.

So he qualifies very easily

[TrapAPony]

Does anyone know who will be retiring from the England squad after the WC?

The older players in the squad, bar David James, are young enough to still be there come Euro 2012. Can't see many retirements tbh.

[Serb]

The older players in the squad are young enough to still be there come Euro 2012. Can't see many retirements tbh.

They actually have a relatively young midfield. Only Lampard is 30 or over from all of the midfielders in the provisional squad. Heskey, James and Carragher are the only likely ones for me to be gone after this tournament.

[Charlie Darwin]

A couple of them could be looking at extending their careers. Gerrard sticks out as an obvious candidate.

[DannyInvincible]

Dont worry Swan, its has only been asked about a million times now ;)

His father is from Magherafelt and his Grandmother is from Wicklow.

So he qualifies very easily

How do you know this, or is there mention of it online anywhere? It's just that when I first ever heard mention of Jamie O'Hara - on this forum a few years ago, if memory serves me correctly - someone who was following Terry Dixon and O'Hara in the Spurs youth sides was claiming, in response to queries about O'Hara's eligibility due to his Irish name, that he didn't in fact qualify to play for us as he was one generation out. Apparently, he merely had an Irish great-grandfather.

Next thing I was hearing, after quite a period of uncertainty over whether or not he had an Irish grandparent, was that he had indeed a grandparent from this island but they'd been from the north, which somehow made him eligible for us as well as Northern Ireland. I know players like Alex Bruce have qualified to play for us through northern-born grandparents, but, technically, going by my reading of FIFA's rulebook, they shouldn't be eligible to play for us as, while article 15 of FIFA's statutes refers to those with a "permanent nationality", article 17, which relates to those who acquire a new nationality, brings territory into the equation. In effect, the player in question must satisfy one of the following criteria to represent their new team:


(a) He was born on the territory of the relevant Association;
(b) His biological mother or biological father was born on the territory of the relevant Association;
(c) His grandmother or grandfather was born on the territory of the relevant Association;
(d) He has lived continuously for at least five years after reaching the age of 18 on the territory of the relevant Association.

If O'Hara had just a grandparent from the north, I don't see how he would fulfill any of those stipulations, unless FIFA construe the FAI's territory to be the whole island along the lines of the effect Irish nationality law has over the island, although that's just speculation and would appear to be a rather liberal interpretation of the word "territory".

Anyway, now you're telling me that all that is irrelevant as his grandmother from Wicklow whilst is father is also from the north, so I suppose you can understand my mild scepticism or need for evidence given the versions of his ancestry I've heard to the contrary.

[Deckydee]

Wow hang on there man. A bogger like me is not used to big words like that!! :D

To be honest and answer your question, I am not 100% sure.

The post that I made above was based in information that I got from OWC forum(:eek:)

But I have heard this before (also on YBIG) so that is why I posted it. I am hoping that they cant all be wrong ;)

[DannyInvincible]

I see, ha. The thing is though that there's a thread active there right now and, the last time I saw it anyway, those posting in it seemed fairly sure that O'Hara just had a northern-born grandparent until someone came along and told them otherwise based on a post on this forum; presumably your post seeing as they mentioned the Magherafelt and Wicklow links. The forums seem to self-feed one another with baseless information from time to time and because it then appears on a few boards, well, then, sure it must be valid... Not saying you're wilfully spreading lies, but I think we just ought to be a bit more careful with where we're getting our information. After all that, it could well be true that he does have the links to Magherafelt and Wicklow anyway. It's just I've heard so many different versions.

[Deckydee]

Hi Danny,

Sorry if I caused any confusion. As I said I was only going on what I heard from other sources. :o

If he declares I am sure that he will tell us :)

I belive that there is someone on the YBIG forum who knows him personally. Maybe someone could ask him?

[DannyInvincible]

Hi Danny,

Sorry if I caused any confusion. As I said I was only going on what I heard from other sources. :o

If he declares I am sure that he will tell us :)

I belive that there is someone on the YBIG forum who knows him personally. Maybe someone could ask him?

No worries.

I did a Google search for O'Hara and Wicklow and think I managed to track down the post you were referring to in this thread: http://www.ybig.ie/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15544&PID=294623

The guy seems to have some "inside knowledge", as they say.


I know O'Hara wants to play for us.
I know Trap watched him.
I know half his family are from Wicklow.
I know his uncle played for us.

A little ode to O'Hara there. :P

Although he claims to know O'Hara wants to play for us, which still remains under debate, at least publicly, as far as I'm aware, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on the Wicklow link because it would be a fairly peculiar thing to make up. I wonder who his uncle was... Anyone know?

[Deckydee]

Does anyone know anything about Mark Noble? He is just as far from the english squad I think

[SkStu]

taken from Passing Interests post in the thread about the training camp which is now, for some unknown reason, locked...


Trap was quoted as saying "I want to look at Paul Green - he has great promise.

does Trap realise he is 27 years old?? These arent the sort of players we should be looking at in my opinion.

[Razors left peg]

taken from Passing Interests post in the thread about the training camp which is now, for some unknown reason, locked...



does Trap realise he is 27 years old?? These arent the sort of players we should be looking at in my opinion.

If Trap had that attitude then Andrews wouldnt have been called up

[SkStu]

Andrews was a premier league player at the time. This guy is not.
Andrews is Irish. This guy's grand-dad was Irish.

My point being there are other, younger, Irish or Irish born players who could be looked at before Green. Its just an opinion.

[Razors left peg]

I get your point Skstu but as far as Im concerned if he wants to play for us and is good enough I have no problem in giving him a look anyway whatever age he is. At 27 he could contribute for 3 campaigns


Just as an edit to that, Seen in the paper today that John Aldridge was 28 before he got a call up.He turned out to be a decent grandfather rule addition.

[Deckydee]

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2010/0531/1224271503287.html

The availability of a player of Tottenham’s Jamie O’Hara’s ability would at the very least exert some pressure on the regulars in the manager’s eyes but with the midfielder still reluctant to give up on an England career, Trapattoni did not sound like a man who was expecting a phone call.

He recalled, as it happens, having been in much the same situation with Mauro Camoranesi when he was in charge of Italy in 2003. On that occasion, he said, he had phoned the then Argentina coach Marcelo Bielsa about the Juventus defender and was told he was considered surplus to requirements in Buenos Aires. Upon being told this, Camoranesi promptly declared for Italy.

Asked if he might adopt the same approach in relation to O’Hara and phone the England manager, Trapattoni flashed a hint of a smile and replied: “It’s my opinion that there’s no need to ring Fabio Capello”.

[Sullivinho]

Asked if he might adopt the same approach in relation to O’Hara and phone the England manager, Trapattoni flashed a hint of a smile and replied: “It’s my opinion that there’s no need to ring Fabio Capello”.

Unless I've misinterpreted him, (where's Manuela when you need her) Trap is saying O'Hara is obviously surplus to requirements for England right? That's why there's no need to ring Capello, his World Cup squad selection makes that point for him.

O'Hara clearly wants to wait untill all hopes of an England cap are extinguished. It's all a bit cringeworthy at this point. If he were ultimately to turn out for Ireland, would it represent a disappointment, 'honour' or combination of the two? I honestly don't know. Let's follow him on Twitter and we may eventually be blessed with the answer..

[shakermaker1982]

Times reported today that O'Hara posted this on his twitter:

Hart, johnson dawson king cole, lennon huddlestone ohara lol A johnson gerrard, rooney what u thinks peeps

Case closed.

[The Fly]

Times reported today that O'Hara posted this on his twitter:

Hart, johnson dawson king cole, lennon huddlestone ohara lol A johnson gerrard, rooney what u thinks peeps

Case closed.

Using the word 'peeps' did it for me.