Jamie O'Hara

[Deckydee]

Just an update:

http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/trapattoni-gets-busy-1966618.html

Both O’Hara and Wilson have earned rave reviews from Portsmouth fans, despite the dire circumstances surrounding Pompey’s season, and it is likely that both men will be included in Trapattoni’s next squad.

“I don't know what's going on at the moment because nobody has said anything to me,” said O’Hara, who was top of Terry Venables’ list of potential recruits when he was tipped as the next Irish manager.

http://www.eleven-a-side.com/boysingreen/news.asp?n=37713

[Wolfie]

Just an update:

http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/trapattoni-gets-busy-1966618.html

Both O’Hara and Wilson have earned rave reviews from Portsmouth fans, despite the dire circumstances surrounding Pompey’s season, and it is likely that both men will be included in Trapattoni’s next squad.

“I don't know what's going on at the moment because nobody has said anything to me,” said O’Hara, who was top of Terry Venables’ list of potential recruits when he was tipped as the next Irish manager.

http://www.eleven-a-side.com/boysingreen/news.asp?n=37713

Not a good start there.

Its up to O'Hara to approach the FAI about his availability not the other way around. Waiting around on the off chance you'll be asked doesn't exactly suggest a burning desire to be involved.

[Predator]

Not a good start there.

Its up to O'Hara to approach the FAI about his availability not the other way around. Waiting around on the off chance you'll be asked doesn't exactly suggest a burning desire to be involved.
I know what you mean about showing your desire to play, but I don't think that it's the player's job to approach any respective association about playing. Football associations have people there to do a job and that includes finding and approaching the best players who are available and eligible.

[Wolfie]

I know what you mean about showing your desire to play, but I don't think that it's the player's job to approach any respective association about playing. Football associations have people there to do a job and that includes finding and approaching the best players who are available and eligible.

Understood - but there's ways and means of conveying your eligibility in an unofficial capacity rather than stating to the media that noone has effectively made him an offer akin to a club move.

I'm not overly precious about eligibility - but some are - and not too much ammunition is ever needed to rub the players nose in it.

I just think players that are genuinely interested in playing and have an affinity with playing for us need to box clever in relation to how they declare.

[bwagner]

What about Darren Ambrose?

[paul_oshea]

From ambrosie cream?!

[Deckydee]

What about Darren Ambrose?

Full list as far as I know; oh and by the way if I am wrong, no need for the all CAPS when you are letting me know :cool:

Mark Noble (West Ham)
Kyle Naughton (Tottenham)
Anton Ferdinand (Sunderland)
Kevin Nolan (Newcastle)
Jamie O'Hara (Portsmouth)
Gary McSheffrey (Birmingham)
Matt Kilgallon (Sheff United)
Matt Connolly (QPR)
Hogan Ephraim (QPR)
Adam Hammill (Barnsley)
Andy Lonergan (Preston)
Kevin McCann (Hibernian)
Zander Diamond (Aberdeen)
Darren Ambrose (Crystal Palace)
Adam Hammill (Barnsley)
Phil Bardsley (Sunderland)

[Murfinator]

Mark Noble is the only one of them I'd accept as being good enough to be anywhere near our first team.

[irishfan86]

Mark Noble is the only one of them I'd accept as being good enough to be anywhere near our first team.

Kyle Naughton is regarded as one of the best young fullbacks in England. One day he will probably be good enough.

Phil Bardsley is a very competent fullback who would be good enough from a talent perspective to play for us. No clue on "how Irish" he is though...

[Acornvilla]

Full list as far as I know; oh and by the way if I am wrong, no need for the all CAPS when you are letting me know :cool:

Mark Noble (West Ham)
Kyle Naughton (Tottenham)
Anton Ferdinand (Sunderland)
Kevin Nolan (Newcastle)
Jamie O'Hara (Portsmouth)
Gary McSheffrey (Birmingham)
Matt Kilgallon (Sheff United)
Matt Connolly (QPR)
Hogan Ephraim (QPR)
Adam Hammill (Barnsley)
Andy Lonergan (Preston)
Kevin McCann (Hibernian)
Zander Diamond (Aberdeen)
Darren Ambrose (Crystal Palace)
Adam Hammill (Barnsley)
Phil Bardsley (Sunderland)
i rate them all higher than paul mcshane,noel hunt and shane long :rolleyes:

[rambler14]

Full list as far as I know; oh and by the way if I am wrong, no need for the all CAPS when you are letting me know :cool:

Mark Noble (West Ham)
Kyle Naughton (Tottenham)
Anton Ferdinand (Sunderland)
Kevin Nolan (Newcastle)
Jamie O'Hara (Portsmouth)
Gary McSheffrey (Birmingham)
Matt Kilgallon (Sheff United)
Zander Diamond (Aberdeen)
Darren Ambrose (Crystal Palace)
Phil Bardsley (Sunderland)

I reckon the above would be well able at International level whether they want to play for us is another thing.

[Alf Honn]

Full list as far as I know; oh and by the way if I am wrong, no need for the all CAPS when you are letting me know :cool:

Mark Noble (West Ham)
Kyle Naughton (Tottenham)
Anton Ferdinand (Sunderland)
Kevin Nolan (Newcastle)
Jamie O'Hara (Portsmouth)
Gary McSheffrey (Birmingham)
Matt Kilgallon (Sheff United)
Matt Connolly (QPR)
Hogan Ephraim (QPR)
Adam Hammill (Barnsley)
Andy Lonergan (Preston)
Kevin McCann (Hibernian)
Zander Diamond (Aberdeen)
Darren Ambrose (Crystal Palace)
Adam Hammill (Barnsley)
Phil Bardsley (Sunderland)


Add to the list whizzkid Johnjo Shelvey, already approached by Brady according to below

From Herald,
Friday October 09 2009

HIGHLY-RATED Charlton midfielder Jonjo Shelvey has snubbed an approach
from Ireland and committed himself to England, even though the player
claims he had been promised a full international cap under Giovanni
Trapattoni and a possible fast-track ticket to the World Cup finals.

Shelvey (17) is rated as one of the best young midfielders in England,
having made his debut for Chartlon last year at the age of 16. He also
made progress at international level, captaining the England U16s, but
the player also qualified for Ireland through a grandparent and was
the subject of an approach from the FAI, believed to have been from
Liam Brady. But in a blow to Irish hopes, the teenager says he's
sticking with England. "I had the chance to play for the Ireland first
team but I want to play for England," he said today.

[livehead1]

Add to the list whizzkid Johnjo Shelvey, already approached by Brady according to below

From Herald,
Friday October 09 2009

HIGHLY-RATED Charlton midfielder Jonjo Shelvey has snubbed an approach
from Ireland and committed himself to England, even though the player
claims he had been promised a full international cap under Giovanni
Trapattoni and a possible fast-track ticket to the World Cup finals.

Shelvey (17) is rated as one of the best young midfielders in England,
having made his debut for Chartlon last year at the age of 16. He also
made progress at international level, captaining the England U16s, but
the player also qualified for Ireland through a grandparent and was
the subject of an approach from the FAI, believed to have been from
Liam Brady. But in a blow to Irish hopes, the teenager says he's
sticking with England. "I had the chance to play for the Ireland first
team but I want to play for England," he said today.

Sorry mate, that may well be a valid quote from the Herald but it is absolute tripe and hasn't happened. I won't tell you my source but those who know me on here will know I've yet to be proven wrong :D

[Deckydee]

Sorry mate, that may well be a valid quote from the Herald but it is absolute tripe and hasn't happened. I won't tell you my source but those who know me on here will know I've yet to be proven wrong :D

So...................:confused:

Does this mean he might play for us?

[dr_peepee]

Sorry mate, that may well be a valid quote from the Herald but it is absolute tripe and hasn't happened. I won't tell you my source but those who know me on here will know I've yet to be proven wrong :D

What hasn't happened? The approach from Brady or the rejection from the youngfella??

BTW... Was I right with Saul Deeney on that other thread??

[Deckydee]

Sorry mate, that may well be a valid quote from the Herald but it is absolute tripe and hasn't happened. I won't tell you my source but those who know me on here will know I've yet to be proven wrong :D

Hi,

This is what I found regarding this player:

http://www.southlondonpress.co.uk/tn/Sport.cfm?id=40143&headline=Exclusive:%20Jonjo%20Shelvey%20snubs%20Ir eland%20call

[Nagger]

Kyle Naughton is regarded as one of the best young fullbacks in England. One day he will probably be good enough.

Phil Bardsley is a very competent fullback who would be good enough from a talent perspective to play for us. No clue on "how Irish" he is though...


Bardsley has an Irish mother.

[livehead1]

What hasn't happened? The approach from Brady or the rejection from the youngfella??

BTW... Was I right with Saul Deeney on that other thread??

Sorry, I meant to say he wasn't offered a full international cap. I mean even if you look at it logically, we've had McCarthy who was pulling up trees at Hamilton and linked with big clubs all the time and the temptation was resisted to give him a full cap!

Yeh, you were right on the other bit!

[gustavo]

i rate them all higher than paul mcshane,noel hunt and shane long :rolleyes:

Who are all Irish

[Kingdom]

This doesn't sit well with me I have to be honest. I was too young when the last big recruitment drive under Charlton happened so the likes of Townsend, Aldo etc signing up didn't have any impact on me, and I suppose that "Irish" question doesn't matter as much when you're a child. The balance to that was Aldo, Andy Townsend and the like probably weren't hanging on for full English honours.
People know that I appreciate the uniqueness of the Irish diaspora, and fully appreciate the contribution of 2g's and 3g's both on the terrace and on the pitch, but to be chasing Nolan, who's pretty much given us the two fingers over the past how many years doesn't sit well with me.

[TrapAPony]

How about Matt Derbyshire of Olympiakos? He's married to an Irish girl and even has a kid with an Irish name (fada & all) and hasn't a bad goalscoring record and is still young. Roy Wegerle despite being South African used the marriage ruling to play for the USA.

[greendeiseboy]

BTW... Was I right with Saul Deeney on that other thread??[/QUOTE]

What was that about?

[TrapAPony]

Andy Lonergan

Phil Bardsley Gary Cahill Anton Ferdinand Kyle Naughton

Gary O'Neil Mark Noble Kevin Nolan Jamie O'Hara

Matt Derbyshire?? Gary McSheffrey

Subs :

Darren Ambrose
Matt Kilgallon
Jonjo Shelvey

[dr_peepee]

Mind your nose!!

[Alf Honn]

[QUOTE=livehead1;1291463]Sorry, I meant to say he wasn't offered a full international cap. I mean even if you look at it logically, we've had McCarthy who was pulling up trees at Hamilton and linked with big clubs all the time and the temptation was resisted to give him a full cap!


Why has Brady not denied this, then?

Surely, it sends out a bad signal to players working their way up through the international underage system if an England U16 player can make such a significant claim without it being challenged.

[dr_peepee]

This doesn't sit well with me I have to be honest. I was too young when the last big recruitment drive under Charlton happened so the likes of Townsend, Aldo etc signing up didn't have any impact on me, and I suppose that "Irish" question doesn't matter as much when you're a child. The balance to that was Aldo, Andy Townsend and the like probably weren't hanging on for full English honours.
People know that I appreciate the uniqueness of the Irish diaspora, and fully appreciate the contribution of 2g's and 3g's both on the terrace and on the pitch, but to be chasing Nolan, who's pretty much given us the two fingers over the past how many years doesn't sit well with me.

I kinda know how you feel... I never resented Morrison for sitting on the fence the way he did. I thought he was quite entitled to do it for the period that he did it for given his age. I'd put someone like Naughton in that bracket now (If there's any truth behind the approach)... But Nolan has made his feelings clear for long enough to warrant any credit for a U turn.

[geysir]

Nolan does not qualify.
He can't do a u turn even if had been granted 3 wishes from King Brian himself.

[Murfinator]

I don't believe 2g, 3g or the "Oirish" sitting in their living room in New York / London waving the tricolor and drinking guinness have any relevance to this country or should be representing us, they can all take a hike as far as I'm concerned, they're an embarrassment.

That's my view on the matter.

[rambler14]

How about Matt Derbyshire of Olympiakos? He's married to an Irish girl and even has a kid with an Irish name (fada & all) and hasn't a bad goalscoring record and is still young. Roy Wegerle despite being South African used the marriage ruling to play for the USA.

He doesn't seem to be playing a lot. Injured??

[TrapAPony]

He doesn't seem to be playing a lot. Injured??

I think he's injured at the moment. He got two goals in the Greek cup final last year against AEK Athens and was given Man-of-the-match. He wouldn't be a bad option.

[Colbert Report]

He's the captain of the England u-21 team, at least he was last year. I can't see him turning out for us.

[TrapAPony]

He's the captain of the England u-21 team, at least he was last year. I can't see him turning out for us.

Are you sure you're not thinking of Mark Noble?

[TrapAPony]

Did a bit of research and I don't think Matt Derbyshire can play for us unless he was living here for 5 years. Oh well.

[Colbert Report]

No, I'm sure it was Matt Derbyshire. He was the captain of the England u-21 team a couple of years ago, I think it was summer 2008. I remember there was a big brawl between the England and I believe the Dutch team.

[Colbert Report]

From wikipedia:


On 1 February 2007, Derbyshire was called up to the England Under-21 squad by new manager Stuart Pearce, for the match against Spain on 6 February. He was subsequently injured playing for Blackburn against Sheffield United on 3 February, and therefore missed joining up with the squad.

However, Derbyshire was fit enough to be included in England's Under-21 match against Italy at the new Wembley Stadium on 24 March. He scored England's third goal in a thrilling 3–3 draw. During the group stage of the 2007 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship, he was the scorer of a controversial goal against the Serbian under-21 team. He did not kick the ball out when Serbian defender Slobodan Rajković was down injured and went on to score England's second goal of the game, proceeding to celebrate in taunting fashion; in his defence, Derbyshire claimed he did not see the injured player.[6] He took part in the epic semi-final shootout against hosts Netherlands, scoring his first but having his second penalty saved as England lost 13–12. On 28 March 2009, Derbyshire played the second half for England as they beat Norway 5–0, scoring two goals.

[endabob1]

Did a bit of research and I don't think Matt Derbyshire can play for us unless he was living here for 5 years. Oh well.

From personal experience I know they changed the residence law so that to be eligible for a passport you had to now live in Ireland, but does this affect his eligibility with FIFA, ie does he need a passport to play?
I know Paul Butler (shudder) managed to qualify by virtue of being married to an Irish lass, but I'm pretty sure that was before the rules changed.
If he was keen and the FAI were keen I'm sure he could be fast tracked, I remember the Dutch were tring to do it for Kalou before the last world cup.

[dr_peepee]

Nolan does not qualify.
He can't do a u turn even if had been granted 3 wishes from King Brian himself.

I dunno.. Was on Newstalk last week that, yes, as of now he's not qualified. But if his Ma pulls some sort of stroke with dual Nationality he will be elligable then...

Unless of course she wishes a fourth one then he's propper ****ed!!!

[Plastic Paddy]

I don't believe 2g, 3g or the "Oirish" sitting in their living room in New York / London waving the tricolor and drinking guinness have any relevance to this country or should be representing us, they can all take a hike as far as I'm concerned, they're an embarrassment.

That's my view on the matter.

But hardly a valid one.

I make the assumption that you have no relatives living abroad and that none of your extended family have ever left Ireland looking for work. I also assume that you have never been to an Ireland international, whether at home or abroad, and listened to the voices of the supporters around you. I can only imagine what some of my fellow 2G posting here would have to say to you, but I just feel sorry for you that your blinkers are clamped on quite so tightly.

:ball: PP

[endabob1]

But hardly a valid one.

I make the assumption that you have no relatives living abroad and that none of your extended family have ever left Ireland looking for work. I also assume that you have never been to an Ireland international, whether at home or abroad, and listened to the voices of the supporters around you. I can only imagine what some of my fellow 2G posting here would have to say to you, but I just feel sorry for you that your blinkers are clamped on quite so tightly.

:ball: PP

Murfinator has strongly unbalanced views on what it means to be Irish

http://foot.ie/forums/showthread.php?p=1274531#post1274531

[greendeiseboy]

Mind your nose!!A

Apologies...didnt realise this thread was a closed shop. I was simply asking what your point was with regard to Saul Deeney.:rolleyes:

[geysir]

I dunno.. Was on Newstalk last week that, yes, as of now he's not qualified. But if his Ma pulls some sort of stroke with dual Nationality he will be elligable then...

And I thought you only got your info from credible sources :)


As already mentioned on this thread, with reference to the FIFA rules, he would need to have one of his parents or grandparents born in FAI land or else be a resident for a number of years. The family information provided here about Nolan would only entitle him to get an Irish passport but he would have to become a resident if he wanted to play for Ireland.

[Murfinator]

Murfinator has strongly unbalanced views on what it means to be Irish

http://foot.ie/forums/showthread.php?p=1274531#post1274531

Well they're definitely strong I'll give you that whatever about the second part. :D

I suppose I carry a bit of a resentment towards people who flee the country in difficult times, particularly those who adopt the old enemy as their new "home" and contribute to their economy instead of ours, to me it seems like some cheek and a bit insulting to claim the role of an avid supporter of the country in sporting events after you do that.

[gustavo]

Or maybe there were no jobs here for them to "contribute to the economy" for.

I'm no expert but I'm guessing the majority of those that left didn't actually want to go

[drummerboy]

Well they're definitely strong I'll give you that whatever about the second part. :D

I suppose I carry a bit of a resentment towards people who flee the country in difficult times, particularly those who adopt the old enemy as their new "home" and contribute to their economy instead of ours, to me it seems like some cheek and a bit insulting to claim the role of an avid supporter of the country in sporting events after you do that.

Hmmm, you sound remarkably like a Christian Brother I once had the misfortune of knowing.

[paul_oshea]

Well they're definitely strong I'll give you that whatever about the second part. :D

I suppose I carry a bit of a resentment towards people who flee the country in difficult times, particularly those who adopt the old enemy as their new "home" and contribute to their economy instead of ours, to me it seems like some cheek and a bit insulting to claim the role of an avid supporter of the country in sporting events after you do that.

THat'd be me then. I know of a wedding out in Malta that people at home went to which was paid for by the social services for many of those attending. I might not contribute taxes directly but every year I directly spend between 2-3000 euro back in ireland. Do you think its better me contributing this as oppossed to sitting at home in difficult times scrounging off the state because its not possible to find work?

On top of that personally I still use my home credit card(stupid really) and had a loan of over 15k euro from the credit union to help pay for my flat back home. Ive never had any kind of loan over here bar my mortgage, so yes I would say I am contributing to the economy better than 1/15 of the country currently are.

[geysir]

Or maybe there were no jobs here for them to "contribute to the economy" for.

I'm no expert but I'm guessing the majority of those that left didn't actually want to go

Best to ignore such irrelevant absolute idiotic ramblings.

[paul_oshea]

Or maybe there were no jobs here for them to "contribute to the economy" for.

I'm no expert but I'm guessing the majority of those that left didn't actually want to go

I'd put myself in that category, at 21, with no friends or family over here, no connections, I can tell you I did not want to come to London, working in a City where everyone leads their own lives and does theeir own thing outside of work.

[Deckydee]

I'd put myself in that category, at 21, with no friends or family over here, no connections, I can tell you I did not want to come to London, working in a City where everyone leads their own lives and does theeir own thing outside of work.

Same for me in Belgium, same way

[Supreme feet]

Well they're definitely strong I'll give you that whatever about the second part. :D

I suppose I carry a bit of a resentment towards people who flee the country in difficult times, particularly those who adopt the old enemy as their new "home" and contribute to their economy instead of ours, to me it seems like some cheek and a bit insulting to claim the role of an avid supporter of the country in sporting events after you do that.

I'm currently unemployed in Ireland, and I'm emigrating to South Korea in February. I don't know if or when I'll be coming back, but I will continue to follow the Irish team, watch the games, post on here, and get butterflies when the EC qualifiers roll around. I love football, I love the team, but on a personal and professional level, I need to get out. The country can't offer me, or anyone with my qualifications, a useful job at the moment. Yet, despite being out of the country, I'll still be Irish. I'm always going to be Irish, and any offsprings I sire will be entitled to call themselves part-Irish too. I was born in Wexford, raised and educated in Wexford and Limerick; I don't need lessons on how to be Irish.

Yours is a De Valera-esque, narrow, fundamentalist vision of 'Irishness' and nationality which has no basis in human reality, nor in the national character of any other country (apart, perhaps, from dictatorships like North Korea).

[rambler14]

Steven Taylor is the England U-21 captain.