Attendances 2019

[bohsmug]

Similarity I don’t think you’re exactly equating like for like. If we take the main participation sports as comparotors in a purely Irish sporting event context then you’ve got to surely base your comparison from the top down?
If you’re doing that, then the top
Level for rugby is the national team, same for footie, but for gaa it’s ch/ship.

The next level down for rugby is different again because it’s the h/cup, for gaa it’s league and for us it’s the LoI.

But the average LOI crowd is way below the average Division 1 crowd. This season's LOI attendance so far compares favourably with previous years LOI attendance but not with GAA. If anything it shows how much scope there is for improvement.

[sbgawa]

2,500 on a Tuesday ? Our fans work  shams brought about 8/900 to Dalymount early season. You believe we should get 3 times that on a Tuesday to Tallaght ?

I did'nt mean that 2500 would be traveling i meant that there would be no restrictions, so "up to" that amount could be accomadated.....in other words more than would be needed!
I did also make the point that it was a tuesday so expectations would be lower. It is Easter Tuesday so at least the kids are off school so the large family contingent that come to Rovers matches might still come (those that arent away)

also re Dalymount , boycott is a strong word , id say more that some people just couldnt be bothered , if the new Dalymount is ever built with facilities etc i could easily see 3-500 more Rovers fans traveling over so 1300-1400 rather than the current 900 ish.

If the Dundalk support at 798 was repeated at each match it would be phenomenal,

[Ezeikial]

If any dundalk fans are still interested you had 798 in fans Tallaght according to the people in the ticket office at Rovers.

I don't think your assertion on the ticket office numbers are pertinent or even particularly credible.

Anyone who was in the away section that evening was aware of the incompetency around accommodating the numbers admitted.

It was clear well before kick-off that the number of seats allocated was too few for the visiting crowd, yet it still took 20 minutes into the match before the dangerous overcrowding was resolved. The solution of opening the unoccupied adjacent section was so simple to implement that it beggars belief that it took so long to action.

If there was a goal scored in that time (or any other major incident causing a crowd surge) the consequences of the overcrowding could have been serious.

I hope Shamrock Rovers, AGS and SDCC have learned from this and review the issues (maybe this also includes the ticket office ticket counting system)

[SkStu]

Not sure about that but Bohs could well break the away attendance for a LOI game that evening 1500 plus is possible. If we were going in the apposite direction to a ground of a similar standard we would bring a similar number, lots of Rovers fans wont go to Dalyer because of the away end and the poor view.

any idea what this is? I think we brought 1200 (give or take) to Belfield a few weeks ago.

[marinobohs]

I did'nt mean that 2500 would be traveling i meant that there would be no restrictions, so "up to" that amount could be accomadated.....in other words more than would be needed!
I did also make the point that it was a tuesday so expectations would be lower. It is Easter Tuesday so at least the kids are off school so the large family contingent that come to Rovers matches might still come (those that arent away)

also re Dalymount , boycott is a strong word , id say more that some people just couldnt be bothered , if the new Dalymount is ever built with facilities etc i could easily see 3-500 more Rovers fans traveling over so 1300-1400 rather than the current 900 ish.

If the Dundalk support at 798 was repeated at each match it would be phenomenal,

Fair enough, although I would be surprised if even 3-500 fans were put off by Dalymount (certainly contrary to any shams fan I've ever spoken to). Don't think facilities play much of a part in attracting fans to Irelands biggest game

[Kingdom]

But the average LOI crowd is way below the average Division 1 crowd. This season's LOI attendance so far compares favourably with previous years LOI attendance but not with GAA. If anything it shows how much scope there is for improvement.

Do you mean the Average GAA NFL Div 1? If you were to remove Dublin, GAA crowds are atrocious in the main. If you go below Div 1, well they're truly shocking.

Even championship for one-off games outside of Dublin matches, it's embarassing. Just look at the "super-8s" last year.

The LoI has a bit to go, but if it could get to, hold and then look to build on a total matchday attendance of 20k, that would be a start. You'd be averaging around 4k per PD game, and then 1k per FD game, which is an approximation, but achievable. You don't get 20k supporters going to Ulster or Munster weekly games.

Btw, and I don't know if it was referenced elsewhere, but there is another angle to it when comparing the GAA, and it's that relatively speaking their support only has to be sporadic, yet even at an average of 1 game per calendar month a season, GAA fans still support in poor numbers (Div 1 sides excepted).

[bohsmug]

I don't really see how you can disregard NFL Division 1 if you're making any sort of comparison. You go lower down in LOI and it doesn't look good at all, similar to GAA. Anyway the best thing on that thread is the suggestion the GAA should start using the hashtag #GaelicfootballoneofgreatestfieldgamesinWorld as a promotional tool. Bit of a mouthful.

I agree it's great to see attendances coming up. I'm genuinely excited and hopeful that, even with the expected drop off, we achieve higher attendances than we have in recent memory. I do believe something is happening and LOI is starting to forge a more positive reputation. I'm starting to think social media may even be helping us in this regard. LOI doesn't have a huge marketing budget but your snapchats/instagrams/whatever will have people taking videos at matches and reminding people that there's live football on your doorstep. Previously you would have had to have actively chosen to watch LOI (either on telly or in person) to know anything about it. Nowadays people see little clips from friends on social media and it may just be peaking interests.

[sbgawa]

Fair enough, although I would be surprised if even 3-500 fans were put off by Dalymount (certainly contrary to any shams fan I've ever spoken to). Don't think facilities play much of a part in attracting fans to Irelands biggest game

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combination of put off plus thats all our allocation is.
I'd agree in general i don't think bad facilities put off the hard core but i think better facilities bring families and floating supporters.

[sbgawa]

I don't think your assertion on the ticket office numbers are pertinent or even particularly credible.

Anyone who was in the away section that evening was aware of the incompetency around accommodating the numbers admitted.

It was clear well before kick-off that the number of seats allocated was too few for the visiting crowd, yet it still took 20 minutes into the match before the dangerous overcrowding was resolved. The solution of opening the unoccupied adjacent section was so simple to implement that it beggars belief that it took so long to action.

If there was a goal scored in that time (or any other major incident causing a crowd surge) the consequences of the overcrowding could have been serious.

I hope Shamrock Rovers, AGS and SDCC have learned from this and review the issues (maybe this also includes the ticket office ticket counting system)

ive been estimating numbers in the East stand for years and id say 800 is about right (the netting seat kills at the front spread people out).
800 is a phenomenal traveling support.
The lack of scanning of tickets that was reported is irrelevant the tickets were sold and unless a lot of dundalk fans traveled without tickets and then queued up in the hope they could bunk in i don't know why the number admitted would be different to what was sold.
Again 800 is a phenomenal support and the highest by far i've seen in Tallight for a team outside Dublin.

[Kingdom]

I don't really see how you can disregard NFL Division 1 if you're making any sort of comparison. You go lower down in LOI and it doesn't look good at all, similar to GAA. Anyway the best thing on that thread is the suggestion the GAA should start using the hashtag #GaelicfootballoneofgreatestfieldgamesinWorld as a promotional tool. Bit of a mouthful.

I agree it's great to see attendances coming up. I'm genuinely excited and hopeful that, even with the expected drop off, we achieve higher attendances than we have in recent memory. I do believe something is happening and LOI is starting to forge a more positive reputation. I'm starting to think social media may even be helping us in this regard. LOI doesn't have a huge marketing budget but your snapchats/instagrams/whatever will have people taking videos at matches and reminding people that there's live football on your doorstep. Previously you would have had to have actively chosen to watch LOI (either on telly or in person) to know anything about it. Nowadays people see little clips from friends on social media and it may just be peaking interests.

Honestly, I think a lot of is to do with the realisation that the "product" the public are being fed from the UK is not what it is supposed to be.
I really think the fact that there is a fundamental link now between the Senior team and the League here, that is improving the profile also.

[EatYerGreens]

Not sure about that but Bohs could well break the away attendance for a LOI game that evening 1500 plus is possible. If we were going in the apposite direction to a ground of a similar standard we would bring a similar number, lots of Rovers fans wont go to Dalyer because of the away end and the poor view.

Is there a record for away support in the league ? If so - who and when ? How far back does it go, as Derry were bringing thousands to even very ordinary first division games in the mid 1980s.

[Ezeikial]

ive been estimating numbers in the East stand for years and id say 800 is about right (the netting seat kills at the front spread people out).
800 is a phenomenal traveling support.
The lack of scanning of tickets that was reported is irrelevant the tickets were sold and unless a lot of dundalk fans traveled without tickets and then queued up in the hope they could bunk in i don't know why the number admitted would be different to what was sold.
Again 800 is a phenomenal support and the highest by far i've seen in Tallight for a team outside Dublin.

The veracity of the 798 number, or how 'phenomenal' it may be, is hardly the most pertinent issue.

It is the safety issue that occurred because of the large disparity between the number of seats allocated and the number of people admitted to that section. If the incompetency involved in this, exasperated by the incredibly slow response in relieving the dangerous overcrowding, was repeated in the future, it would only be a question of time before there would be serious consequences.

While some forum posters here may be in denial about what happened, I sincerely hope that the club and/or the safety authorities are not. Otherwise it calls into question their ability to safely host large away crowds.

[Kingswood Rover]

Do the same Rovers fans refuse to go to Oriel, Sligo (you can’t see down sideline if your beside the big fences they have up) Finn Park and Pats as view in Sheds poor?

Dalyer and Oriel are the grounds that i often hear fans say they will not go to. Pats behind the goal is crap as well but you have a decent chance of a stand ticket in Richmond if you are in early enough. Sligo is fine imo, Finn park tbh its a long time since i was there.

[Kingswood Rover]

So there are approx. 1600 shams fans out there 'boycotting' Dalymount ? Wow, who knew ? Genuinely the first I (or I suspect anyone else) heard of that.

What are you on about we only get 900 tickets. Let me clarify i am talking about (in the main) the current ground regs across the league. So if you go back to prior to Rovers going into Shed we would have taken 1500 plus to Dalyer. Look who cares about this my dick is bigger than your Dick garbage. Great attendances so far with some noteworthy work by clubs in their communities being a big contributor.

[sbgawa]

The veracity of the 798 number, or how 'phenomenal' it may be, is hardly the most pertinent issue.

It is the safety issue that occurred because of the large disparity between the number of seats allocated and the number of people admitted to that section. If the incompetency involved in this, exasperated by the incredibly slow response in relieving the dangerous overcrowding, was repeated in the future, it would only be a question of time before there would be serious consequences.

While some forum posters here may be in denial about what happened, I sincerely hope that the club and/or the safety authorities are not. Otherwise it calls into question their ability to safely host large away crowds.

I'm not in denial at all, dundalk fans were left standing for 20 minutes under cover of a nice roof. It's a shocking indictment that could easily have led to people having to bunch up into a three people for every 2 seats situation. Close shave....irony or what