UEFA Coefficient

[gspain]

Correct with respect to the number of European places and where we enter the competitions. However the seeding next season will be based on our position at the end of this year.

This is my understanding too. Seedings go on rankings in May2009. Places go on rankings May 2008.

There are 5 champions league group places available for countries ranked 13th and lower from next year.

I think Drogheda were really unfortunately to draw Dynamo Kiev. I think they may well have taken the Rangers team that played Kaunas (only saw the 2nd leg) and the Brann side that beat Ventspils on away goals are struggling at the moment. Kaunas have 4 games (at least) left now and a real chance to gain a club coefficient as well as boost the national one.

If Derry make the UEFA Cup they are more likely to be seeded.

Most clubs would prefer to be exampt from a round. They still get the prizemoney as if they won, no danger of injuries and no travelling costs. It does reduce the chances of them helping our coefficient though. It is a fault in the system. It will be most obvious from next year in the champions league of they give coefficient points when the bottom 6 meet in a prelim round. These countries will quickly pass out those above them.

[holidaysong]

I've a couple of questions regarding the new format UEFA Cup:

1) Will it still be regionalised?

2) Will you now have to wait until the Group Stage until you earn double coefficent points / your own club points? This would mean having to get through an extra two rounds before getting the double points and club points...

[sullanefc]

* When get to 34th 2nd place in the league goes direct to Uefa round 2.
* If we make it to 27th Cup Winner goes direct to 3rd round of Uefa Cup.


These are very achievable targets. Pats can make a big contribution if they can manage a win over Elfsborg.

We would want to have good campaigns over the next 2 years to try and reach these targets as we will be taking a huge wallop when the 06/07 total of 2.833 goes.

[pete]

I've a couple of questions regarding the new format UEFA Cup:

1) Will it still be regionalised?

2) Will you now have to wait until the Group Stage until you earn double coefficent points / your own club points? This would mean having to get through an extra two rounds before getting the double points and club points...

1. I suspect they could remove it as there will be very few teams involved in the early rounds.

2. I would guess everything pre group stage will be a qualifier so half points.

No one really knows what Uefa will do. For coefficients they only publish points for the teams involved in each years competition.

[bigmac]

No one really knows what Uefa will do.

That's a fair summary - it'll be very interesting to see what happens next year. Remember that if the champions win their first tie in the CL then they're guaranteed at least 4 more games. If they lose in CLQ2 then they go into UCQ4 (chance of a huge glamour tie but very little chance of progressing), whereas if they win CLQ2 then they're in the group stages of the UC regardless.
I could definitely see this happening in the short to medium term. Once we are assured of seeding in the first round then all it will take is a good draw/ stroke of luck and there's a LOI team in the group stages of Europe.

[gspain]

That's a fair summary - it'll be very interesting to see what happens next year. Remember that if the champions win their first tie in the CL then they're guaranteed at least 4 more games. If they lose in CLQ2 then they go into UCQ4 (chance of a huge glamour tie but very little chance of progressing), whereas if they win CLQ2 then they're in the group stages of the UC regardless.
I could definitely see this happening in the short to medium term. Once we are assured of seeding in the first round then all it will take is a good draw/ stroke of luck and there's a LOI team in the group stages of Europe.

Agreed.

However my reading is that our champions won't be seeded unless we can move up another place. We need to catch Bosnia and hold off Hungary - danger also that BATE could really boost the Belarus coefficient should they make the group stages of the CL (real chance v Levski).

[bigmac]

Agreed.

However my reading is that our champions won't be seeded unless we can move up another place. We need to catch Bosnia and hold off Hungary - danger also that BATE could really boost the Belarus coefficient should they make the group stages of the CL (real chance v Levski).

Correct. 32 is the seeding cutoff (assuming no team coefficients below that) for the CL. I predicted 33rd earlier (http://foot.ie/showthread.php?p=974244#post974244) this season, but hopefully Pats can pull out a result to get over that hurdle.

[paudie]

Correct. 32 is the seeding cutoff (assuming no team coefficients below that) for the CL. I predicted 33rd earlier (http://foot.ie/showthread.php?p=974244#post974244) this season, but hopefully Pats can pull out a result to get over that hurdle.

Yeah. Pats probably need to win at least one game to give us a shout.

If not it will probably be a reverse of this season as our Champions won't be seeded but entrants in Qround 1 of UEFA will be.

[TheBoss]

Where can you get the individual co-effs for each team, I seen Shels and Derry, but what about the others.

[HarpoJoyce]

Where can you get the individual co-effs for each team, I seen Shels and Derry, but what about the others.

If your talking about LoI clubs, then they inhererit the LoI average as they have not had the oppotunity to excell over that average.

Shelbourne (Lille), Derry City (Paris Saint Germain) both scored a remarkable home draw in the !st round of the UEFA Cup and that one result was also added to their individual club total. Cork City also made it to the 1st round (Red Star Belgrade) unfortunately they didn't benefit that time.

I only learnt this about two weeks ago through the posters on foot.ie.

For me it's a reminder that UEFA Cup 1st round is a goal and teams can get some medium term benefit.

[Dazzy]

Cork City also made it to the 1st round (Red Star Belgrade) unfortunately they didn't benefit that time.

Slavia Prague.

[HarpoJoyce]

Slavia Prague.

Aw Crap! Does this mean I have to apologise to the fans of at least three different clubs now. Sorry I got that wrong, I confused their 2006 Champions league game, it's to Cork City's credit they play quality sides, regular.

[TheBoss]

If your talking about LoI clubs, then they inhererit the LoI average as they have not had the oppotunity to excell over that average.


I am aware they inherit the league co-eff, but Drogs and Pats if successful get their own co-eff, I want to know their current one.

[HarpoJoyce]

I am aware they inherit the league co-eff, but Drogs and Pats if successful get their own co-eff, I want to know their current one.

2.420 is the figure published by UEFA for the St. Pat's and Cork City before the start of the UEFA Cup qualifying rounds
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/uefacup/news/kind=1/newsid=727066.html
(apologies, the clubs of FIN and FH Hafnarfjardur (ICE) are positioned lower than their quantity, I'm presuming the more specific quantity is correct)

As you can also see from the table what clubs/countries could be targeted to be overtaken.

[DmanDmythDledge]

I am aware they inherit the league co-eff, but Drogs and Pats if successful get their own co-eff, I want to know their current one.
At the moment they do not have one because for the team co-efficient points from qualifying rounds do not count. So if Pats make it to the first round of the UEFA Cup, next season they would take the country ranking for the past four years and their own from this year plus 33% of the country co-efficient (not taking into account any possible changes this new system might do).

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/calc.html



UEFA Team Ranking

The UEFA team coefficients are calculated as the sum of the number of points of each individual team, and 33% of the country coefficient. Before 2004 the contribution of the country coefficient was 50%. See the team coefficients of 2007 (http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/tcoef2007.html) for an example of such a calculation. For the calculation of the individual points of the team coefficients games played in qualifying rounds are not taken into account.
The UEFA team ranking is computed by the sum of 5 coefficients in the last 5 years. See the team ranking of 2007 (http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/trank2007.html) for an example of such a ranking list. In this list the yellow lines with country information indicate the lowest possible value for a team of that country (even if that team didn't play any game in the last five years). The most recent team ranking is used for seeding of clubs for draws in the Champions League and the UEFA Cup.

[gspain]

Maybe a bit of good news and correcting myself here. I forgot about the spot reserved for the winners of the 2009 competition.

The seedings in the CL may go down as far as 34 next year if as expected the winners of the CL are a team that has already qualified for the group stages in 2009/2010.

It is not clear yet what UEFA will do with the winners spot. However they are likely to give it to the champions of country 13. My guess then is that the champions of countries 14-17 will be exempt from QR1. Thus the seeding in round 1 will go down to country 34 not allowing for club coefficients.

[bigmac]

So if Pats make it to the first round of the UEFA Cup,


And if they manage to get a result there...
It's a simple process, each team gets one third of their country's coefficient plus whatever points they have earned themselves in the proper rounds over the last 5 years.
For Derry that is 1 point for their draw in 06/07. At present they are the only Irish team who would have a team coefficient next season. If they qualify for Europe they will almost certainly be seeded as they would have one third of the Irish coefficient (currently equal to 2.888) plus one point of their own - giving them 3.888. This would rank them above teams from Cyprus, Croatia, Finland, Lithuania etc.. providing none of them have team coefficients as well.

[gspain]

Big point tonight for Pats.

Currently ahea dof Bosnia and Hungary in play. Gyor got a respectable 2-1 defeat in Germany and debrecen just gone 2-1 down in Swiotzerland. Need 2 defeats here although both will be dangerous at home.

The Bosnians are a goal down at home to Besiktas. This is really key.

BATE's win last night in Bulgaria was a disaster for us. If they reach the group stage sof the champions league it will be a full extra point and huge opportunities to score well.

[pete]

BATE's win last night in Bulgaria was a disaster for us. If they reach the group stage sof the champions league it will be a full extra point and huge opportunities to score well.

I would like to see them in the group stages but realistically they won't get a single point in the group.

Slightly off topic but Scotland are screwed this year with Rangers out & Queen of the South in the Uefa Cup.

[HarpoJoyce]

Big point tonight for Pats.

Currently ahea dof Bosnia and Hungary in play. Gyor got a respectable 2-1 defeat in Germany and debrecen just gone 2-1 down in Swiotzerland. Need 2 defeats here although both will be dangerous at home.

The Bosnians are a goal down at home to Besiktas. This is really key.

BATE's win last night in Bulgaria was a disaster for us. If they reach the group stage sof the champions league it will be a full extra point and huge opportunities to score well.


gspain, are you not losing the bigger picture of the 5-Year UEFA Co-Efficient measurement. Counting half-time scores and individually results. teams from many leagues will under-perform and produce terriffic results, but over 5 years a reflection of their (results) worth is seen.

1. BATE Borisov succeeding (even one leg win) along with FKB Kaunas and Anorthosis is good for all clubs in the q1 of the CL, as they continue to pioneer the way for other clubs.

2. The primary ranking Co-Efficient - the one UEFA use, not the 4 + current year by that Plat Deutsh fraulein Bert Kassiesa uses - needs to have a naturally ranking from 1 to 53 with Leagues at regular intervals of a couple of points, three at most between teams. This will aid motivation as there is another target a short distance away. The alternative is the same Leagues (lower mid-table) winning and when/if LoI get to the top of a pile the next League is too far ahead. (Please view LoI premier and First Divsion for teams grouping together and not being able to bridge gap to upper group.)

2. It's a vintage year for Belarus football, something to be celebrated.

[gspain]

Credit to BATE they have done incredibly well. Still bad news for us though as Belarus have an opportunity to leapfrog us. If BATE qualify they get 3 bonus points which will add 1.0 to the country coefficient.

BATE will laso earn a club coefficient and given they are 3 points clear with a game in hand in Belarus are likely to be in the CL next season and will be seeded in at least the first round.

The reason I'm watching scores is that we are in a battle with Hungary and Bosnia to see whose champions are seeded in next season's CL. As of tonight we have leapfrogged Bosnia and are likely to remain ahead of Hungary unless Gyor put Stuttgart out (lost 2-1 away).

Seedings (in theory anyway) lead to easier draws, more chances to get home and away wins and thus move up the rankings.

[pete]

AEK Athens 0 - 1 Omonia Nicosia

Cyprus club football on the rise.

[HarpoJoyce]

Credit to BATE they have done incredibly well. Still bad news for us though as Belarus have an opportunity to leapfrog us. If BATE qualify they get 3 bonus points which will add 1.0 to the country coefficient.................
The reason I'm watching scores is that we are in a battle with Hungary and Bosnia to see whose champions are seeded in next season's CL. As of tonight we have leapfrogged Bosnia and are likely to remain ahead of Hungary unless Gyor put Stuttgart out (lost 2-1 away).

Seedings (in theory anyway) lead to easier draws, more chances to get home and away wins and thus move up the rankings.

Thanks for the reply, yes I agree with applauding the individual performances. I'll just have to live with the very strong lens that the co-efficient is viewed through on foot.ie

But, the clubs of HUN and BiH are all from outside the capital and the Bosnians ones have had to deal with alot of nonsense 15 years ago. NK Zrinjski are playing out of Mostar http://www.uefa.com/footballeurope/club=73390/competition=14/index.html while NK Siroki Brijeg used to play their UEFA games in Mostar but now play in the home town http://www.uefa.com/footballeurope/club=73387/competition=14/index.html, somewhere South or East of Mostar.
How anyone would wish these teams ill, I don't know. Surely, LoI club fans should identify with them. (It's bad enough the gloating after the triumph over Moldova).

[HarpoJoyce]

AEK Athens 0 - 1 Omonia Nicosia

Cyprus club football on the rise.

'on the rise'....again.

When Omonia win 1-0 away from home it's called doing a 'Tolka'.
The team that loses to them are described as doing a 'Shamrock Rovers'.

[Sheridan]

Good result for APOEL Nicosia against Crvena Zvezda (2-2) despite the away goals.

No mystery surrounding the improved performance of Cypriot clubs in Europe; investment and ambition.

[paudie]

Good to see the likes of BATE, Anothorsis with a decent chance of getting through to the group stages.

Olympiacos make a living out of losing in the group stages and picking enough big bucks to dominate the Greek league.

[JC_GUFC]

Just further to all this the Access list for next season's European Competitions is up on the website http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/access2009.html

The Access list uses the 2008 Rankings as leagues need to know now how many UEFA Cup places are up for grabs. Ireland are ranked 35th in the 2008 rankings so the qualifiers will be:

Champions League: Our Champions (And N Ireland) enter the 2nd Qualifying Round.
At this stage there will be the 31 national champions from countries ranked 16th - 47th (excluding Liechtenstein) plus the 3 winners from the 1st Qualifying Round.
Unfortunately we're still at the bottom end of this list so our Champions will almost certainly be unseeded. (though in 2010-11 we could well be seeded)
The 17 seeded sides will be from Switzerland, Bulgaria and Norway down to Slovenia, Finland and Latvia.
These 17 winners are then joined by the Champions of Belgium, Greece and Czech Republic and those 20 teams play 2 more qualifying rounds, guaranteeing 5 national champions from countries ranked 13th or lower a place in the group stages.
The losing team in the first of these rounds go into the UEFA Cup 4th Qualifying Round and the losing sides in the final qualifying round go directly to the UEFA Cup Group stages.
Our champions cannot be drawn against non-champions in the CL Qualifiers. Non-Champions of the top ranked countries have their own separate qualifiers.

UEFA Cup:
The main thing is we get an extra place next season!
The 2nd and 3rd place in the league go into the 1st qualifying round along with 48 other sides, which include 3 Fair Play qualifiers.
The good news is these 2 sides will almost certainly be seeded.
The 25 qualifiers from that round then join another 55 clubs, including our cup winners for the 2nd qualifying round. The top ranked teams in this round will be the 5th placed sides from Romania, Portugal and Holland.
The 40 winners in this round then get joined by 30 teams from the higher ranked nations - 6th from England, Spain & Italy etc.
These 35 winners are then joined by 24 clubs from the higher ranked nations, i.e. cup winners and 5th place from England, Spain and Italy etc. the 10 losers in the Champions League 2nd qualifying round for Champions and 5 losers of the Champions League 1st qualifying round for non champions. Giving 74 teams.

The 37 winners of these ties enter the UEFA Cup Group stages.

Well done to anyone who isn't totally confused...

[finnpark]

I can see Ireland passing out Scotland withing 5 years. Scotland are going to slip badly, if anyone sees Rangers and Celthick these days the standard is way lower than it used to be.

I think what will happen is that the Scottish league will slip and only will get 1 CL qualifier spot and then Celthick and Rangers will join the English League.

UK is officially one country anyway and should not get the 8 CL spots they are getting and God knows how many UEFA cup spots. They get spots for NI, Wales, Scotland and England but only have 1 Government :confused:

[Dodge]

keep it on topic ffs

[boovidge]

I can see Ireland passing out Scotland withing 5 years. Scotland are going to slip badly, if anyone sees Rangers and Celthick these days the standard is way lower than it used to be.

I think what will happen is that the Scottish league will slip and only will get 1 CL qualifier spot and then Celthick and Rangers will join the English League.

UK is officially one country anyway and should not get the 8 CL spots they are getting and God knows how many UEFA cup spots. They get spots for NI, Wales, Scotland and England but only have 1 Government :confused:

Actually all of the "home nations" have their own government except England (and there's considerable pressure for an English parliament). If we go by your logic then perhaps we should just have an EU league

[Dodge]

keep it on topic ffs

:rolleyes:

[bennocelt]

sorry ..........i asked a question..............got the answer..........

[gspain]

I can see Ireland passing out Scotland withing 5 years. Scotland are going to slip badly, if anyone sees Rangers and Celthick these days the standard is way lower than it used to be.

I think what will happen is that the Scottish league will slip and only will get 1 CL qualifier spot and then Celthick and Rangers will join the English League.

UK is officially one country anyway and should not get the 8 CL spots they are getting and God knows how many UEFA cup spots. They get spots for NI, Wales, Scotland and England but only have 1 Government :confused:

Celtic reached the last 16 of the CL.

Rangers lost in the UEFA Cup Final.

I think our clubs are capable of catching either team aka Kaunas beating Rangers but I can't see our league passing out their league. However I do think their other clubs are probably behind ours now based on European results (and not just Bohs v Aberdeen and Derry v Gretna).

[Stato]

Unfortunately we're still at the bottom end of this list so our Champions will almost certainly be unseeded.

Just want to clarify this as I don't think it's quite correct.

As I understand it, the table of country coefficients (or "Access List") as at the end of the 2007/08 European season determines the number of teams each country has and at what point those teams enter the competitions in the 2009/2010 season.

However, once the entrants are decided as above, the seedings are determined based on the individual club coefficients as at the end of 2008/2009 season.

Therefore, in theory if Pats were to win the league this season and get a win against Hertha, they may do enough to merit a seeding for 2009/2010 based on their own coefficient.

[Dodge]

Spot on Stato.

The seeding can only be known once all entrants are known.

[mattl]

Our champions WILL be definitely seeded next year. As Stato pointed out, the 2008 ranking is only used for the determination of how many spots you are allocated and what round you start in.

However, for the purposes of seeding, it is 2009 and the four years previous to that which are used. At the moment Ireland are in 30th place, with the worst case scenario now being 31st if Belarus overtake us (unlikely however).

Q1 in 2009 will have 34 countries compete, 17 seeded and 17 unseeded.

Therefore, countries ranked 16th-32nd will definitely be seeded.

Q2 in 2009 will have 20 team compete, 10 seeded and 10 unseeded. Countries ranked 13th-22nd will be seeded if all the seeds qualify. Sweden btw are ranked 23rd right now so if they at least keep that position and 1 seed should fail to make it through, there's obviously a chance an Irish team could draw a Swedish team in the CL 2nd Round. Which would make a massive difference instead of having to compete with the likes of teams from Ukraine, Romania, Serbia etc.

And if the Irish team gets past the 2nd CL round, then the worst case scenario is Group Stages of the Uefa Cup! :)

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Uefa Cup Seedings

Lets say all 3 Fairplay teams are higher ranked than us and are seeded.

Q1: 50 teams, 25 seeded and 25 unseeded.

Therefore individual co-efficients aside, countries ranked 22nd-40th are seeded (except for the third placed country in the 40th ranking).

So both second and third place teams from Ireland will definitely be seeded in Q1.


Q2: 80 Teams. Should all seeds go through it would looks like this:

Countries ranked 7th-30th (only the Cup Winner of the 30th).

If Ireland stay in 30th, Cup Winner will be seeded. If any of the seeds from Q1 fail to progress, Ireland will be have the benefit of being the first two spots to move into being seeded.

[JC_GUFC]

Actually you are right about that... The mantle of King of the Anoraks has now been passed to you... Watch those UCD ****ers they'll try and rob you for it! ;)

[bigmac]

Therefore, countries ranked 16th-32nd will definitely be seeded.


Not 100% true. Teams ranked 16th to 32nd will definitely be seeded, and at the lower levels of coefficients, most teams do not have their own points so will just take a third of their country's points. However, teams from countries below us in the ranking that have a team coefficient from the last 5 years may well be seeded ahead of our champions.
Take Belarus as an example. At the moment, a Belarussian team qualifying for the CL will take a third of the country coefficient - 2.530. However, if BATE Borisov are their CL representatives, then they will add their team coefficient score to that. This means that currently they have a coefficient of 5.530 and as such will be definitely seeded.
At the moment, there are a few countries behind us in the rankings that have teams which would be ahead. Therefore we won't know whether our champions are seeded or not until we know who the qualifiers are.

In summary; our 30th spot puts us ahead of Latvia, Belarus, Iceland and Slovenia. Each of these countries has teams that would be seeded ahead of us at present

If Ventspils win the league in Latvia (7 pts clear)
If BATE win in Belarus (1 pt behind with game in hand)
If Hafnarfjardar win in Iceland (5 pts behind with game in hand)
If NK Maribor, Nova Gorica, or NK Domzale win in Slovenia (only 7 games in, Domzale top, Maribor in 3rd)


As you can see, it's pretty close, but it's still not looking great for us. If 3 out of those 4 countries go wrong, then our champions are unseeded next year :(

[mattl]

Bigmac - oh yeah very true, how could I forget the team co-efficients! :)

May not know in the CL then for a while but I think Derry will certainly be seeded thanks to their team co-efficient for Round 1 and possibly Round 2 in UP and if Pats can get any sort of result against Berlin they'll be the same.

[gspain]

We also have the CL winners spot that should work in our favour.

The 2009 winners will surely already qualify and not need the automatic space which will move everybody up. I think our champions will be OK.

Pats could also still gain extra points too and move us up.

[Big Ears]

We also have the CL winners spot that should work in our favour.

The 2009 winners will surely already qualify and not need the automatic space which will move everybody up. I think our champions will be OK.

Yes but it's the Champions of the lower ranked countries that are matched against each other to get the 5 group places. None of the teams in that part of the draw will be there due to an additional place being added to their country because they're all Champions.

[bigmac]

Yes but it's the Champions of the lower ranked countries that are matched against each other to get the 5 group places. None of the teams in that part of the draw will be there due to an additional place being added to their country because they're all Champions.

Gspain is right. Should the champions qualify directly for the group stages by other means (e.g. top 3 in England, Spain or Italy), then the Title holder's group place would got to highest ranked champions that aren't already there. Next year that would be the Belgian champions. Then there would be a knock on effect down the line whereby the Swiss champions would be straight into QR2 and the Faroese & Luxembourg champions would be in QR1 instead of the new QR0.
Were that to happen, then the seeded teams would be teams 17 to 33, which would mean that we would only need one of the above mentioned teams to not win their own league and the LoI champions would be seeded. It's still going to be squeaky bum time though.

I'm not quite sure what would happen to the access places if the CL winners don't make it to the group stages - suppose for example that Arsenal win the CL and finish 4th in the premier league. They will then get straight into the group stages as champions, but another team will have to take their place in the qualifying draw. I suspect that it will mean that the next country in the ranking will get a second team into the CL, which will have no effect on the lower half of the draw.


**edit**
similarly if the UC cup winner qualifies for the CL next year, then there'll also be a bit of a reshuffling that I'm unclear about. It'll probably mean that our Cup winners will be more likely to be seeded though, so we'll wait and see.

[boovidge]

im entirely confused so i'm just going to see what happens next year :D

[gspain]

Gspain is right. Should the champions qualify directly for the group stages by other means (e.g. top 3 in England, Spain or Italy), then the Title holder's group place would got to highest ranked champions that aren't already there. Next year that would be the Belgian champions. Then there would be a knock on effect down the line whereby the Swiss champions would be straight into QR2 and the Faroese & Luxembourg champions would be in QR1 instead of the new QR0.
Were that to happen, then the seeded teams would be teams 17 to 33, which would mean that we would only need one of the above mentioned teams to not win their own league and the LoI champions would be seeded. It's still going to be squeaky bum time though.

I'm not quite sure what would happen to the access places if the CL winners don't make it to the group stages - suppose for example that Arsenal win the CL and finish 4th in the premier league. They will then get straight into the group stages as champions, but another team will have to take their place in the qualifying draw. I suspect that it will mean that the next country in the ranking will get a second team into the CL, which will have no effect on the lower half of the draw.


**edit**
similarly if the UC cup winner qualifies for the CL next year, then there'll also be a bit of a reshuffling that I'm unclear about. It'll probably mean that our Cup winners will be more likely to be seeded though, so we'll wait and see.

The current scenario assumes the 2009 champions will need an automatic spot for 2009/10. However it is likely (not certain) that the champions will finish in the top 3 in Spain, England or Italy etc. Then the Belgian champions as you say will get an automatic spot and the knockon effect is that our champions should be seeded unless all the leagues go wring.

[pete]

im entirely confused so i'm just going to see what happens next year :D

Me to. Never thought I would get tired of coefficients either. I must be ill...

[dcfcsteve]

Does anyone know what a tracker mortgage is.....?

[gufcfan]

Does anyone know what a tracker mortgage is.....?

POTM material, but it would be lost in context.:D

I'm completely baffled with the co-efficients to be perfectly honest, but I should make myself familiar with them as GUFC are surely on course to enter Europe again soon...

[Titan]

I'm actually following this quite well for someone with my intellect but that said I'm starting to forget things like where I live and whether I drive a car or not. Hopefully my brain will start working again before I have to leave work this evening if not I can always console myself with the fact that we will have a seeded team in the CL next season err or not. Whats that stuff dribbling out of my ears?

[TonyD]

Does anyone know what a tracker mortgage is.....?

Excuse me, what's this thread about ? :D

[bigmac]

Excuse me, what's this thread about ? :D

potm #2 :D

Simple enough guys - whether our champions are seeded or not depends on other events. Good events increase our chances, bad events decrease our chances. One good event will cancel out one bad event.

Champions League winners qualifying for group stages via domestic league - Good
Ventspils winning the league in Latvia - Bad
BATE winning in Belarus - Bad
Hafnarfjardar winning in Iceland - Bad
NK Maribor, Nova Gorica, or NK Domzale winning in Slovenia - Bad

We can afford 2 net bad events and still be seeded so unless all of the above teams win their leagues we should hopefully sneak in by the skin of our teeth.