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Up The Town
06/10/2006, 9:06 AM
1:3......Fair enough, I think it will be close, but if we do win then I think that you are finished for another year.
Will be close alright and we do have to win and hopefully we can do what we done down there earlier on in the year and come home with the three points(well after watching the irish game).
Whats the weather to be like down there tomorrow ?????
sadloserkid
06/10/2006, 1:19 PM
Rovers should never have been deducted those points to be honest if my understanding of the situation is correct. The point has been made on these boards before but it's worth repeating. As the league administers the suspensions why the hell don't they send each referee a list of ineligable players on the day of any respective game and put these sort of shambles to bed once and for all?
In this instance I was under the opinion that Rovers were not notified that the player (the odious Paul Shiels) was actually suspended, where's the case to answer? :confused:
mypost
06/10/2006, 1:41 PM
well rovers wont be anyway, no ground...
a) Troll
...no fans
b) Sorry???? :confused:
its all the one who wins the 1st division,
dont look like anyone from it will be going up next season
11 teams in the premier next year? :rolleyes:
Is till think we are in the best position of the top 3 to win the title. Rovers are six pts behind us and galway, ok games in hand, but you got to win them, cup games all to fit in, they defintely will lose focus and draw one or two of the backog games.. Galway, 6 wins a row, great form, but their away record is not a patch on us over the season so far, and they have to go to Finn Harps in a few weeks.
If we beat Galway in terryland, we`ll defintely win the title, simple as that.
JC_GUFC
08/10/2006, 3:40 PM
Is till think we are in the best position of the top 3 to win the title. Rovers are six pts behind us and galway, ok games in hand, but you got to win them, cup games all to fit in, they defintely will lose focus and draw one or two of the backog games.. Galway, 6 wins a row, great form, but their away record is not a patch on us over the season so far, and they have to go to Finn Harps in a few weeks.
If we beat Galway in terryland, we`ll defintely win the title, simple as that.
I don't see how you can think you're in the best position...
You're right you've picked up 7 more points than United on your travels but we're level on points so we've obviously picked up 7 more points at home!
With all the extra games they have to play Rovers will struggle to win the league, they would probably need to win nearly every game.
United v Dundalk in 2 weeks will be a huge match.
Paddyfield
08/10/2006, 3:50 PM
If we beat Galway in terryland, we`ll defintely win the title, simple as that.
Sounds like a fair comment Oriel. It will be a case if an unstoppable force coming up against a unmovabe object. GUFC haven't lost at home since September 2005 and Dundalk have a very impressive away record. A draw could be on the cards in which Rovers will be the winners. If United take three points in Finn Park next weekend, then Terryland will be full to the rafters again ...and Dundalk will find it hard to get anything out of Terryland.
This sure does beat beat the crap ouf trying to get from the bottom half of the table in to the middle of the table!
mypost
08/10/2006, 3:54 PM
With all the extra games they have to play Rovers will struggle to win the league, they would probably need to win nearly every game.
Obviously ignoring that, for all their wins over us, the only reason they are above us is because they have played more games. That 6 point lead will probably be gone by Friday night.
Conor H
08/10/2006, 4:00 PM
Ya buddy but "probably" never won a league.We have 6 more points on the scoreboard than yee.Ye've only a superior goal difference by 1 goal which could quite easily be wiped out.You seem to think that if yee win yere 2 games in hand ye'll win the league....am...that only puts you level on points with GUFC and Rovers.Not ahead!
Game is very much on but if UTD beat Harps next week and Dundalk in Terryland it's game over and the title stays in Connacht!:)
mypost
08/10/2006, 4:28 PM
Ya buddy but "probably" never won a league.We have 6 more points on the scoreboard than yee.
That 6 points will be reduced if not wiped out by Friday night. We have 5 of our 8 games left at home, where we are unbeaten, and have dropped a miserly 8 points all season. We also have 2 chances to boost up the goal difference this week. Even after playing 2 games less, it's still better than Galway's. :)
Conor H
08/10/2006, 4:35 PM
That 6 points will be reduced if not wiped out by Friday night.
You think/hope.Yee haven't beaten Limerick all season so i wouldn't be so cocky.
We have 5 of our 8 games left at home, where we are unbeaten, and have dropped a miserly 8 points all season.
We have 3 out of 6.We also haven't lost at home this year and have beaten yee twice their.
We also have 2 chances to boost up the goal difference this week. Even after playing 2 games less, it's still better than Galway's.
Ya by 1 goal and ye're GD may or may not improve this week.If yee draw/lose we'll be ahead on points and more than likely GD too.
As i said your too confident.Yee lost too yere main title rivals on Friday night and most Rovers fans said afterwards we were in the best position to win it.
If you win both of yere games in hand then it's game on-not game over!
GalwayFrancis
08/10/2006, 5:08 PM
You think/hope.Yee haven't beaten Limerick all season so i wouldn't be so cocky.
We have 3 out of 6.We also haven't lost at home this year and have beaten yee twice their.
Ya by 1 goal and ye're GD may or may not improve this week.If yee draw/lose we'll be ahead on points and more than likely GD too.
As i said your too confident.Yee lost too yere main title rivals on Friday night and most Rovers fans said afterwards we were in the best position to win it.
If you win both of yere games in hand then it's game on-not game over!
well said conor, how can rovers be in the best position? even if ye do win both yer games in hand, yell only be level on points with us. and ye have the hardest three games of the lot of us:
03 Nov. Limerick v Shamrock Rovers
10 Nov. Shamrock Rovers v Finn Harps
18 Nov. Cobh Ramblers v Shamrock Rovers
i'd say yer in the worst position of the three of us.
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If we win in Ballybofey, terryland will have 3000+ in it for the second time in two weeks! dundalk will have a hard time trying to beat our terryland recent record!
Conor H
08/10/2006, 5:09 PM
After the atmosphere and result the last night we'll have 3500 again anyway.A win in Ballybofey though and we're talking 4000 and more for Dundalk.
mypost
08/10/2006, 5:16 PM
even if ye do win both yer games in hand, yell only be level on points with us.
We'll still be top on gd.
ye have the hardest three games of the lot of us:
03 Nov. Limerick v Shamrock Rovers
10 Nov. Shamrock Rovers v Finn Harps
18 Nov. Cobh Ramblers v Shamrock Rovers
As Limerick and Cobh's seasons are over, that should make it easier treks. There's another joker to be thrown into the hat, namely the postponed home game v Monaghan, which will probably be after Limerick.
Even if we don't claw back all the deficit on the pitch, there is yet another joker thrown in; the 3 points to be reclaimed from the FAI.
Whatever way you look at it, as of now, we are still in pole position.
Im sticking with my prediction of whoever wins Galway v Dundalk will go on to win the title.
Be hillarious if rovers lose the semi final and finish up in 3rd place, the smug wont be long gone from mr arogant no friends in football scully then
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Poor Student
08/10/2006, 5:54 PM
Is my memory right and Dundalk were rooted to the table for a while at the start of the season? I remember when they knocked us out of the league cup I was really annoyed that we lost to a team doing awful. That's some comeback.
Yep thats correct, we were bottom after 2 games, also lost 8 of first 11 league games, (and none since) the win v ucd in the lge cup was our first of the season, i`ll admit to calling for gills head on the dundalk forum aroudn this time
the most impressive part of the comeback was the away form, think we`ve won last 6 games away from home, also we didn`t draw many
Conor H
08/10/2006, 8:29 PM
That's the key.UTD and Rovers have drawn too many games.Sure Dundalk have lost 8 times-you wouldn't think you could win a league loosing that many!Still just as good a chance as the other 2!
Sam Savic
08/10/2006, 10:25 PM
If the 3 managers had a choice of where to be at the moment, they would pick Rovers. It's in our own hands. We're not depending on anyone else. Also, most Rovers fans are confident that we will get the 3 points back that were stolen from us after the FAI mistake.
Conor H
08/10/2006, 10:28 PM
If the 3 managers had a choice of where to be at the moment, they would pick Rovers. It's in our own hands. We're not depending on anyone else. Also, most Rovers fans are confident that we will get the 3 points back that were stolen from us after the FAI mistake.
QWho are Galway depending on?If yee were to win both yere games ye'd be level with us.Not ahead!
I love this "it's in our hands"-no it's not.To win the league ye have to win every game left and hope we don't.
UTD are now the favourites and rightly so.We've won 6 in a row including beating Rovers.
Sam Savic
08/10/2006, 10:38 PM
Conor, if we win our next three games ( Monday, Friday, Monday ) we are top. Doesn't matter how you do. You then have to beat the worst run club in the country, dalk, the following week. And don't forget the three points that the FAI will be forced to give us back.:)
the smug wont be long gone from mr arogant no friends in football scully then
More importantly mypost might shut up about games in hand then;)
Conor H
08/10/2006, 10:48 PM
Actaully you may not be top-depends on goal difference.I've just realised now Scully won't be on EL weekly tomorrow night!Would have loved to hear what he had to say.
We'll see how yee get on against Limerick tomorrow evening-a team yee haven't beaten yet!
Also one of yere games in hand is against Athlone.They'll be out for revenge after the cup.No guarantees Sam and i wouldn't bet on getting yere 3 points back.
Frankfurt Hoop
08/10/2006, 11:33 PM
I wouldn't be so sure about the 3 points, Conor. Though it might take 18 months to get them back.
Otherwise, it's a great run-in. I hate to say it, but it's probably going to go to the wire.
mypost
09/10/2006, 1:11 AM
I've just realised now Scully won't be on EL weekly tomorrow night!Would have loved to hear what he had to say.
We'll see how yee get on against Limerick tomorrow evening-a team yee haven't beaten yet!
Also one of yere games in hand is against Athlone.They'll be out for revenge after the cup.No guarantees Sam and i wouldn't bet on getting yere 3 points back.
TV3's NL highlights may be on late, but not late enough for Scullinho to get from Tolka to Ballymount in roughly an hour or so. If we win our 3 games this week, we will be top, no matter what happens elsewhere. The ball is in our ground now, it's up to us to take advantage of it.
manic da hoop
09/10/2006, 8:25 AM
If the 3 managers had a choice of where to be at the moment, they would pick Rovers. It's in our own hands. We're not depending on anyone else. Also, most Rovers fans are confident that we will get the 3 points back that were stolen from us after the FAI mistake.
The advantage is always with the team that has the points in the bag - particularly at this stage in the season. Even if we do win our games in hand it will only put us back level, and it's still to early to talk about who'll have a better goal difference come 18th November.
With regard to getting back those three points: we already made the mistake once of being over-confident of retrieving them to the extent that we more or less looked on our points-tally with them included. We must continue to operate without this issue being a distraction. We're six points (nothing more, nothing less) behind with two games in hand. We have two very winnable games this week, and another two next week. I know it's a cliche, but we really must take each game as it comes, starting with Limerick now, and just concentrate on the task in hand.
Magicme
09/10/2006, 8:31 AM
Come on Athlone on Thursday and scupper Dundalks chances.
oriel
09/10/2006, 10:48 AM
Even if rovers do win tonight, if we beat athlone on thurs night, we`ll be 3 ahead of galway and still 6 ahead of rovers.
pressure then swings over to rovers/galway to both win at the w/e
Rory H
09/10/2006, 10:50 AM
certainly is interesting anyway....hopefully the 3 go up anyway
hoping dundalk win the title though......cant be having galway winning things....
DmanDmythDledge
09/10/2006, 12:03 PM
If we win our 3 games this week, we will be top, no matter what happens elsewhere. The ball is in our ground now, it's up to us to take advantage of it.
Sure won't Galway have a game in hand?:p
Calcio Jack
09/10/2006, 12:22 PM
Be hillarious if rovers lose the semi final and finish up in 3rd place, the smug wont be long gone from mr arogant no friends in football scully then[/QUOTE]
As ever the bitter comment .... it always amuses me as to how obsessed others are to see Rovers lose.... guess it comes down to the fact to quote the old cliche... " form is temporary but class is permanent.." and every supporter of every other club in their inner hearts wishes they had a glourious history like us.... cue the usual you're living on your past glories posts... plse don't bother... being a Hooper is the closest thing to having the blood of High Kings of Ireland flowing in your veins... we are the blessed ones and all others live in jealousy.
Kildare Lad
09/10/2006, 1:18 PM
He's right
Whatever way you look at it, as of now, we are still in pole position.
Unless you look at the league table that is, but sure why would we do a thing like that? ;)
holidaysong
09/10/2006, 2:01 PM
The ball is in Galway's court. End of. They are at home in the massive match against us next week as well as having a better goal difference. They have the 6 points on the board which is better than Rovers having 2 games in hand. Rovers have a better goal difference but they are starting to crack a wee bit and I can see them not taking the full 6 points from those 2 games in hand.
With rovers winning tonight as expected, and odds on to win v kildare on friday, the only games i can see them losing ground on is the last 3
03 Nov. Limerick v Shamrock Rovers
10 Nov. Shamrock Rovers v Finn Harps
18 Nov. Cobh Ramblers v Shamrock Rovers
Realistically if we dont win our next two games (athlone at home on thurs and galway away next week, I cant see us finishing first). Our goal difference is very poor compared to galway and rovers. Similalry galway themselves will be under massive pressure if they slip up away to finn harps this w.e.
But there`s definitely going to be a few surprises in store for all 3 of us before the seasons out, thats for certain.
One last point,. surely this will be the highest ever points total for whoever comes 2nd and 3rd this year ?
DmanDmythDledge
09/10/2006, 10:03 PM
One last point,. surely this will be the highest ever points total for whoever comes 2nd and 3rd this year ?
UCD had 75 points in 2004.
mypost
10/10/2006, 1:12 AM
They have the 6 points on the board which is better than Rovers having 2 games in hand. Rovers are starting to crack a wee bit and I can see them not taking the full 6 points from those 2 games in hand.
:D
3 points down, 3 to go. That's the advantage of having games in hand. Win on Friday night, and our defeat in Galway will then be as relevant to the league table, as re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.
After Monday; Galway, Dundalk, and us could all have 59 points. And they say the other league, where the leaders currently have an advantage of 7 points, is the better one. :rolleyes:
Schumi
10/10/2006, 1:54 PM
UCD had 75 points in 2004.
With three fewer games too.
oriel
12/10/2006, 10:50 PM
Dundalk 4 Athlone 0, pure demolition job especially in 2nd half. Philip Hughes got 2 more to make it 20 for the season.
The odd thing about the game was it was all athlone until hughes scored on 15 mins.
Estimated attendance 1,500 - 1,600
harpskid
13/10/2006, 9:52 AM
Good game in Oriel last night. Philly took his goals well and yer man Dunne's were good finished too. Was impressed with Dundalk after the initial exchanges when Athlone were on top.
Good atmosphere too after a rather dead opening.
dapman1
13/10/2006, 9:57 AM
Prediction time again. Some very intersting games this weekend with a few potential hurdles, scores in brackets as before:
Shamrock Rovers (1) - Kildare County (1) 8:00
Limerick FC (2) - Kilkenny City (0) 7:45
14 October 2006
Finn Harps (1) - Galway United (1) 7:45
Cobh Ramblers (2) - Monaghan United (1) 5:00
Rovers V kildare finished in a draw the last time, and I havent seen any great improvements from either team since that game, hence the 1:1. Finn Park is always a hard place to go to, and although I feel that the force is with Galway at the moment, a draw is the most likely outcome. Looks like this could work out to be a very good weekend for De town.
Conor H
13/10/2006, 10:00 AM
Harps away will be very tough.A win there and the momentum would once again definitley be with us.I'd love to sstick a few past Harps i've painful memories of the hiding they gave us in 04 when they won the league...come on utd!
Jerry The Saint
13/10/2006, 10:22 AM
I'm shocked that this thread is so huge considering that the run-in is all but meaningless.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the difference in Premiership-points based on this season's league position roughly equivalent to the points gained for progressing a round in the cup competions - i.e. Shams already have more than enough points by doing well in the FAI Cup and the LEAGUE CUP (!):eek: (not to mention the points built up during the previous 4 seasons when their reckless spending almost put them out of business) that they could probably afford to have ALL their points deducted and still get promoted.
And anyway this difference is only a small percentage of the overall tally for Premier qualification.
I can understand the 3 clubs involved getting excited about winning some silverware but surely it would be an extremely hollow victory if it didn't bring promotion:confused:
oriel
13/10/2006, 10:38 AM
On the field performances over last 4 years only form part of the criteria of gaining admission to the premier, tax compliance, seating, other ground facilities, avg/potential attendances all will have vital points scoring to make up the 12. Finally, I dont think the fai can ignore the team that finishes first in this div if they meet all of these criteria (which Dundalk, Galway and Rovers do)
From our pt of view, if we come first, I reckon we`ll make the cut, 2nd place = only 50/50 chance, 3rd = see you next year.
In summary all 3 have as good a chance as each other, maybe even 2 will go get the invite who knows ? and all have to be better placed over all than likes of Bray, Waterford, + UCD (although it will be very harsh on UCD if they dont make it)
Can rovers fans explain why exactly they think or know they will be in the premier next year regardless of finishing 1,2,3 this year.
Surely if you had well documented financial/tax difficulties less than 12 mths ago and the fact that you dont have your own ground, will this not factor against you points wise
We know allabout tallaght, and fact that club appears to be very well run now, just curious why 100% of rovers fans say they will be in the premier.
Dont get me wrong, I think rovers in the premier will always be a great addition (see previous post by me re your travelling support) but why so confident taking into account ground and previous finance issues ?
Is it a case of being tipped off on what you had to do to gain admission ?
I read with interest in our programme last night the licensing officer said 'we have an option of installing an extra 500 seats on terracing front area of the stand'
Does that mean we also have been tipped off ?? But no Dundalk fans i speak to are anywhere less than 50/50 confident.
all very confusing
all very confusing
Thats it rapped up in a nutshell ! nothing is definite as realistically nobody in the first division has a clue what will happen to them or what will be decided in the end no matter of where we finish in the league. All we do know is the higher we finish the better chance of going up.
Surely this process has to be transparent. What will be REALLY interesting will be to see if the FAI will release scores of each club, in each category. I can imagine the teams ranked 13 and 14 will be VERY interested in having a look at the scores achieved by the culb ranked 10, 11, 12!
Poor Student
13/10/2006, 3:36 PM
If the FAI hadn't arsed around two deserving teams would more than likely have been promoted without any ambiguity or detracting stuff. I'd say any of Dundalk, Rovers or Galway would have been capable of beating Bray over a two legged tie. Dundalk are having an excellent season yet their fans can't enjoy it properly knowing that even finishing top may not be good enough. As a UCD fan, it's a very bizarre and annoying situation to be in. We'd be utterly safe by now any other season. We could still possibly finish in the top half, yet no one knows where we stand with regards to possible relegation. I don't know what the point of this is.
Passive
13/10/2006, 6:10 PM
End of the day, nobody knows what's going on - you'd get inside the mind of Charles Manson quicker than you would the FAI.
Personally speaking, I'd be confident of Rovers being in the top flight, but I'm not taking anything for granted. One of Rovers, Dundalk and Galway is guaranteed a place in the new league, two will go up only if they decide to relegate either UCD or Bray. What they are thinking, nobody knows.
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