FAI Junior Cup 2006/07

[Dazza]

Maybe maybe, but a 3rd division team "who boast three well know and excelletn footballers" couldn't break down 9 men for the entire second half, I think you might be getting a picture here.

ps: were not moaning at-all, simply stating a fact. its bonus football in the end, back to the league and bread and butter!

Who are the 3 well known footballers?
I don't understand what you are saying that they could not break down 9 man team. On one hand you are saying they are well known so they must be good but on the other you are saying they are no good. Please name the 3 and elaborate on your point.
PS how well known could 3 meath 3rd division players be.

[Dazza]

How do i know that the ref cheated. What i do know is that any time a Dublin team is bet we hear the exact same story.

[duffbeer]

Us dubs have never said all country refs are like this so dont make out its bad sportsmanship
but i would be ashamed to win a game if they referee is blatantly robbing the opposition.
a few bad decisions will always happen in any game but the fact you lot come on here calling people sore losers when you know quite well the referee was cheating is pathetic.
you need to take a good look at yourselves

Thats probably summing up my point. in the pub after the game "and thanks for the sambo's by the way", the players from woodview weren't hiding the fact that the fella was card happy and free kick happy at times for literally nothing. and why would they?

This happened to kevins in the last round, same ref, same opposition. two off.

We havent had one player sent off in the junior cup until yesterday. and we had some tough games, in particular the o'devaney game.

One thing to note though, for all this dublin or them way of thinking, a team would not get that treatment in dublin.

[Dazza]

Please name the 3 well known players

[swinfordfc]

Updated;

1. Wembley Rovers [Limerick] v Woodview Cel. [Meath]

2. St John Bosco [Dublin] v Shangan Ath. [Dublin]

3. Castlerea Cel. [Roscommon] OR Tolka Rvs OR Trinity Corths. V
WFTA FC [Dublin] OR West Utd. [Galway]

4. Newcastle West [Limerick] v Villa FC [Waterford]

5. Grattan Utd [Cork] v Pike Rovers [Limerick]

6. Killester Utd. [Dublin] v Clonmel Town [Tipperary]

7. Rockmount FC [Cork] OR Carew Park FC [Limerick] v
Newtown Utd. [Clare] OR Salthill Devon FC [Galway]

8. Carrick Utd. [Waterford] v Portmarnock [Dublin]

[duffbeer]

Who are the 3 well known footballers?
I don't understand what you are saying that they could not break down 9 man team. On one hand you are saying they are well known so they must be good but on the other you are saying they are no good. Please name the 3 and elaborate on your point.
PS how well known could 3 meath 3rd division players be.

Ray McCann, an irish army international
Mickey O'Kane "dundalk fc 04-05" "we would certainly of known him"
Conor Murphy "well known in junior football, in dundalk particularly"
!

The point is simple, three good individual players, not bad on the ball but individuality is one thing, as a unit is another and with our 9 men, woodview actually didn't know what to do with the extra men, they had four on the back line and really if they didn't score in the last minute i think it would have puzzled them as to why they couldn't finish off the 9 men considering it was all of 45 mins.

I think that clarifys that point, what you reckon?

[Dazza]

Thanks for clearing that up. From what you say they will not go too much further

[duffbeer]

Thanks for clearing that up. From what you say they will not go too much further

It wouldn't be nice to say they wont go any further, anything can happen and i dont know anything about wembley in Limerick.

Their not bad in fairness, but neither is any side in this round.

The only thing i can say is that they might get a sample of what ourselves and kevins got. the law of averages sais it will happen.

we had some supporters who in their time won the junior cup for cabra based teams a long time ago, they have seen allot and they were saddended to see blatent decisions that were off the wall. that referee didn't speak to one player and didn't use what all referees should use in common sense!

[The Gaffer]

Who was sent off for Carrick yesterday?
Alan "Minge" Ryan was hardly one of them, was he? :rolleyes:

[C.T.F.C]

got it in one:rolleyes: I think he scored and then got sent off. No idea who the other player was.

[The Gaffer]

got it in one:rolleyes: I think he scored and then got sent off. No idea who the other player was.

Aren't Carrick playing Wat. Crystal this weekend in the Munster Junior Cup? Would he be suspended for that game

[W.R.F.C]

Lads any information on woodview celtic...

[duffbeer]

i sent you a pivate message!

[JC_GUFC]

Latest odds on Paddy Power:

http://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=show_type_by_main_market&ev_class_id=&id=2125&category=SOCCER&selectvcgrp=4981&disp_cat_id=

Killester 7/2
Pike 5/1
Carrick 6/1
Clonmel 9/1
Carew Park 12/1
Portmarnock 12/1
Villa 14/1
Salthill Devon 14/1
Tolka Rovers 20/1
Wembley Rovers 20/1
WFTA 25/1
Grattan United 25/1
John Bosco 25/1
Rockmount 25/1
Castlerea 25/1
Trinity Corinthians 28/1
Newcastle West 28/1
West United 33/1
Woodview 33/1
Newtown 33/1
Shangan Athletic 40/1

[allab]

Latest odds on Paddy Power:

http://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=show_type_by_main_market&ev_class_id=&id=2125&category=SOCCER&selectvcgrp=4981&disp_cat_id=

Killester 7/2
Pike 5/1
Carrick 6/1
Clonmel 9/1
Carew Park 12/1
Portmarnock 12/1
Villa 14/1
Salthill Devon 14/1
Tolka Rovers 20/1
Wembley Rovers 20/1
WFTA 25/1
Grattan United 25/1
John Bosco 25/1
Rockmount 25/1
Castlerea 25/1
Trinity Corinthians 28/1
Newcastle West 28/1
West United 33/1
Woodview 33/1
Newtown 33/1
Shangan Athletic 40/1

clonmel seem a good price at this stage of the cup

[hooperlooper]

is'nt it strange that all the good sides that have been knocked out in the last two rounds have been devestated with injuries or had the worlds worst refs totally against them,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,not one has said that they wer'nt good enough on the day and they did'nt deserve to go through,is it that hard to comprehend that their are good sides elsewhere than your own leagues,is it too much to say that maybe you wer'nt good enough on the day and the better side won,to the lads who say pike will have it handy down in cork,clon celtic said that and peake said it too and look what happenend,grattan played against celtic on there pitch beat them and had only 12 fit first team players and 4 B team players,they played against peake with the same 12 first team players and another 4 B team players,they just got on with it win or loose,our center forward who b4 his injury has nearly 20 goals in17 games was out, our sweeper was out our winger is caught up with duty in the curragh and the center half that played against peake saturday ,the smaller of the 3, that was his first game back in about 3 months due to a bad thigh strain,so they are winning by puttin in the effort on the day,and mayb havin luck on there side to sometimes,any team that reachs the last 16 deserve the respect of the others and i dont think any of them will look at each other and say that havin to play an away game will be a handy win::o

[Thunderblaster]

Aren't Carrick playing Wat. Crystal this weekend in the Munster Junior Cup? Would he be suspended for that game

Are the FAI Junior Council back to the old shenanigans that caused so much trouble two years ago? I thought everyone should have learned their lesson from that.

[hooperlooper]

explain

[Thunderblaster]

A player getting sent off in the quarter final of the FAI Junior Cup and cleared to play in the semi final. Remember the Carew Park V Westport United semi final and all the trouble that came with it.

[hooperlooper]

you should know by know that theres ways and means to get round anything if you know the right people,if your the right club you could even get the ref to apoligse to the player for annoying him with the red card,why should some clubs have to suffer the annoyence of havin players sent from the field of play tut tut tut ........................THERE ARE SOME CLUBS OUT IN JUNIORLAND THAT ARE SO WELL IN WITH THE FUNNYFOLK IN AREA 51 (MERRION SQUARE TO THE UNEDUCATED) THAT THE RULE BOOK IS ONLY USED WHEN THE SOFT VELVET DOUBLE SHEETS ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE IN THE CLUBHOUSE JACKS:p

[soccerc]

you should know by know that theres ways and means to get round anything if you know the right people,if your the right club you could even get the ref to apoligse to the player for annoying him with the red card,why sould some clubs have to suffer the annoyence of havin players sent from the field of play tut tut tut ........................THERE ARE SOME CLUBS OUT IN JUNIORLAND THAT ARE SO WELL IN WITH THE FUNNYFOLK IN AREA 51 (MERRION SQUARE TO THE UNEDUCATED) THAT THE RULE BOOK IS ONLY USED WHEN THE SOFT VELVET DOUBLE SHEETS ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE IN THE CLUBHOUSE JACKS:p


The above is a direct contradiction of your post (http://foot.ie/showpost.php?p=609346&postcount=670) above

[hooperlooper]

my first post was regardin the fact that teams that have gone out in the last 2 rounds seem to have 2 things in common,bad refs and players out with injuries or suspensions,and its never just that they were'nt up to it on the day,my second post was regardin the fact that i had no previous knowledge of what thunderblaster was on about and i wanted him to explain exactly what he was on about, and the 3rd post was,in my own opinion for what its worth my up take on things in juniorland at the minute,there was a time when if u got sent off in the fai or munster junior you only served the suspension in whichever competition u got sent off in,now you have an auto 1 match ban,which you cant appeal and dependin on how you handle yourself at the discipline hearin it gets worse,clubs that have had players who were suspended say for 2 games with a big game within those 2 games suddenly get a league or local cup game instead that frees the player for the big mjc or fai game that was put back a week,u think im just makin it up thats your progative,its who you know,for instance,i heard that a team who travelled for a game in the last round (dublin/sligo direction)asked for there 40% gate recipts only to be told go fxxx yourself by the other team who have been proptly dealt with by area 51,yet another team travellin for a tie wernt offered anythin at all by there hosts and nothin happens to them,just a thought.......................it was mainly a rye look at what i perceive as that current state of play in juniorland,take from it what you will,but it dose get you thinkin

[leather]

Lads, if you get sent of in an fai junior cup match, you automatically stand suspended for the next round of this competition .....black and white...

[Dr Mad]

Agree with HooperLooper and know for a fact that a Dublin side who travelled to Waterford last season (and won) were told to fcuk off when they went looking for their share of a decent gate. The FAI did nothing about it either.

The previous poster is right and a player sent off in Junior Cup AUTOMATICALLY misses next game. Would be surprised if Carrick are silly enough to disregard this rule.

[papa-j]

Lads, if you get sent of in an fai junior cup match, you automatically stand suspended for the next round of this competition .....black and white...

leather I'd be interested to know your opinion on a situation where a player gets sent off and gets a one match ban...his team gets a walkover in the next round..is he still suspended or does the walkover serve as his ban?
Has anybody come accross this scenario before?

[galwayhoop]

leather I'd be interested to know your opinion on a situation where a player gets sent off and gets a one match ban...his team gets a walkover in the next round..is he still suspended or does the walkover serve as his ban?
Has anybody come accross this scenario before?

AFAIK if the walk over is declared prior to matchday (or before a referee has shown up) then it is tough luck. but if the ref is there and a match card is filled out - without the suspended player - then his suspension is served.

[papa-j]

AFAIK if the walk over is declared prior to matchday (or before a referee has shown up) then it is tough luck. but if the ref is there and a match card is filled out - without the suspended player - then his suspension is served.

thanks, can anybody confirm this as fact?

[Goals4fun]

leather I'd be interested to know your opinion on a situation where a player gets sent off and gets a one match ban...his team gets a walkover in the next round..is he still suspended or does the walkover serve as his ban?
Has anybody come accross this scenario before?

who is suspended for ye ?

[silvercircle]

is'nt it strange that all the good sides that have been knocked out in the last two rounds have been devestated with injuries or had the worlds worst refs totally against them,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,not one has said that they wer'nt good enough on the day and they did'nt deserve to go through,is it that hard to comprehend that their are good sides elsewhere than your own leagues,is it too much to say that maybe you wer'nt good enough on the day and the better side won,to the lads who say pike will have it handy down in cork,clon celtic said that and peake said it too and look what happenend,grattan played against celtic on there pitch beat them and had only 12 fit first team players and 4 B team players,they played against peake with the same 12 first team players and another 4 B team players,they just got on with it win or loose,our center forward who b4 his injury has nearly 20 goals in17 games was out, our sweeper was out our winger is caught up with duty in the curragh and the center half that played against peake saturday ,the smaller of the 3, that was his first game back in about 3 months due to a bad thigh strain,so they are winning by puttin in the effort on the day,and mayb havin luck on there side to sometimes,any team that reachs the last 16 deserve the respect of the others and i dont think any of them will look at each other and say that havin to play an away game will be a handy win::o

No Pike man posted a statement like that, clubs in the last 16 are there on merrit, can't be luck the whole time, Im sure Pike will be confident, you have to be at this stage, it's cup football anything can happen, it's all on the day.

[lim abroad]

pike have been knocking around in the latter stages for the last few years now,maybe this year will be their year

[Tipperary_Man]

can see the winner of killester and town making the final myself but id never discount a limerick team at this stage of the competition

[MitreSize5]

No Pike man posted a statement like that, clubs in the last 16 are there on merrit, can't be luck the whole time, Im sure Pike will be confident, you have to be at this stage, it's cup football anything can happen, it's all on the day.

agreed - cant find anyone, not to mind a pike man saying they'll have it handy in cork, an over active imagination no doubt.

experience will count for an awful lot at this stage of the competition as past winners have shown. Had waterford crystal been in two or three finals in the last few years. Westport were knocking around for a long time as well, fairview were winning them for fun at one stage.

taking experience into account i think the winner will come from one of Pike, Portmarnock, Clonmel, Carew, Killester, Carrick

[hooperlooper]

i think this year it could be one ot the teams that have been knockin on the door for the competition to step up and win it,they say that you have to lose a final b4 you get that little bit of somtin that makes you a better side and then next time round you take your chance,clon or killester would be my call too,but this year there have been so many surprises that there could be 2 new sides playin in it,be great for the game,at the last 16 stage only the best sides that have taken there chances and fought hard to get to the last 16 are left,the bounce of a ball an who ever wants it more thats why its the best junior competion in europe any one with enough bottle and a big slice of luck can win it:)

[Worldcup]

i think this year it could be one ot the teams that have been knockin on the door for the competion to step up and win it,they say that you have to lose a final b4 you get that little bit of somtin that makes you a better side and then next time round you take your chance,clon or killester would be my call too,but this year there have been so many surprises that there could be 2 new sides playin in it,be great for the game,at the last 16 stage only the best sides that have taken there chances and fought hard to get to the last 16 are left,the bounce of a ball an who ever wants it more thats why its the best junior competion in europe any one with enough bottle and a big slice of luck can win it:):) If Grattan can get FIGO fit for pike match ye will have a good chance of beating them.:D

[hooperlooper]

that my good friend is up to the gods,getn him back would be an unbeliveable bonus,as would damien peelo and goldsmith,but time is not on there side and all we can do now is wait,and hope the treatment room can work there magic,figos injury is not good news to hear,on his day and on form playin up at o'neill park,which he has made his home,i would fancy him against any defence in the country,junior wise,hes that good,his partnership with jon paul o'sullivan is fantastic to watch,there both so quick and have bags of skill,if figo was available for the clon celtic and the peake game it would have been reflected in the score line a bit more and if we can get him bcak even to have on the bench for the game along with peelo and goldsmith you would have to fancy grattan at home,especially with there work rate,the pitch wont suit a top side like pike,when you get used to playin ball weekin week out with footballin sides on great pitches you loose the ability to raise your game,in a physcial sense, because you think you can play your way out of trouble,o'neill park maybe small compared to pikes or peake pitch but grattan play it to a tee,they are a footballin side first an foremost,but they are fully aware that sometimes you have to grind out results the hard way,experience tells you not panic and keep yourshape play ball an the result will come,grattan are young fit and have a never say die attitude,when peake equalised ,grattans players didnt panic they knew if they kept fightin for every ball they would get another chance,the rest is history,come on the grat
ts

[Tipperary_Man]

its hard to judge having a certain player would have resulted in a different scoreline for yer games with clon and peake. clonmel celtic could say the same about having thier 5best players missing including one who is the top scorer in the tipperary league. at the end of the day it's 11 versus 11 and no point in saying what could have been

was just reading in the daily star today, were ye in the second tier only 2 seasons ago? fair play for turning things around if ye were. have ye much of a setup regarding other teams there and facilities??

[hooperlooper]

3 seasons ago grattan were promoted to the premier in cork for there first time in there 75 year history (which was mostly spent just below the premier)finished 5th and won the mossie linnane shield,the premier league cup so to speak,much to the credit of team manager eddie o'riordan,the next year due to 2 terrible family losses within the club the very heart of the club just seemed drain away because were are such a close nit club and we were relegated,last seasons manager pat caulfield ,who had previously managed a very sucessful grattan side returned along with a few players that had tried greener pastures,the gained promotion as champions,winng the cork aul premier A at a canter,they lost 1 game all season,the last one,beaten in the semi finalists in the league cup again ,and have started this season where they left off,so far unbeaten in all competions over 90 or 120 mins,ballypheane dont count cause that was on penalties,we have our own pitch,its not small,but it aint turners cross size,slightly sloped,but the surface is excellent and we call it home,we also have a fully lit allweathertraining pitch and car park,at the moment the dressing rooms are on of those specialisd outfitted 40 mcontainers but planning for our new dressing rooms has been applied fro and construction should be completed b4 the start of next season,we have 2 sides our premier side and our second tier side which is made up of mostly older a team players who couldnt commit this year or young prospects, i hope that is of some help,,,ps grattanwre semi finalist in the fai in 1982 beaten in dublin

[MitreSize5]

goldsmith you would have to fancy grattan at home,especially with there work rate,the pitch wont suit a top side like pike,when you get used to playin ball weekin week out with footballin sides on great pitches you loose the ability to raise your game,in a physcial sense, because you think you can play your way out of trouble,ts

mate no disrespect or anything but pike are playing in the most competitive league in the country against some of the most physical teams in the country, and on some of the biggest cabbage patchs in ireland so we wont be found wanting on any of those counts.

ye seem to fancy yer chances in a big way

[Wembley Rover]

mate no disrespect or anything but pike are playing in the most competitive league in the country against some of the most physical teams in the country, and on some of the biggest cabbage patchs in ireland so we wont be found wanting on any of those counts.

ye seem to fancy yer chances in a big way

If you've played on Bateman.....you can play on anything

[Super Rovers]

so true there its probably the worst pitch in ireland against one of the most physical sides in the country

[scoobysham]

wembley v woodview celtic fixture provisionally fixed for 11 th feb subject to an appeal from corduff......

[duffbeer]

wembley v woodview celtic fixture provisionally fixed for 11 th feb subject to an appeal from corduff......


Our grievance was with the actions of the ref, not with woodview, i dont think a grivence with a ref has ever had a game replayed or so forth. it was an injustice what happened and ruined what was looking to be a very good game.

blanch gazette came out, reporter stated everything that happened in a nut shell which was welcome from a man who has been involved/followed junior football before I was even born I would say.

We will complain to the FAI and will lodge a motion through the relevant channels to have a rule/option "if desired" that any team in the open draw can request and pay for a neutral referee/linesmen.

I think home advantage is enough for any team as a result of a favourable draw as opposed to a home draw/plus league official "certainly there was ambiguity towards the same ref against the same opposition in the previous round". A different referee would have dispelled any suspicion. I dont know if the referee intentially cheated, but the home town league appointed him due to his "supposedly infamous" reputation!

So an appeal is unlikely on our behalf. Our complaint will not even be considered as far as im led to believe!

[hooperlooper]

mitresize5,meant no disrespect by my comments,just the opposite in fact,i am well aware of pikes history,past and present,they are one of the favourites on merrit,no problem,but it would be stuipid of grattan not to have a little bit of confidence,playin at home,grattan arent exactly a small side either,my comments about pike were just that they have a great set up as do the majority of the good munster sides and that grattans pitch though decent was not as good as pikes,from what i hear pike can play ball as well as well as bein physcial,grattan will not be lackin behind them in any respect,on those points,i know for a fact grattan will be expectin a good physcial battle,with some good football played buy both sides,grattans last 2 games went to xtra time and were very phyiscal encounters,we are not expectin this to be much different:cool:

[Tipperary_Man]

if the grattan peake game goes to extra time i believe it will stand to grattan as they had 2 tough previous games. are the referees now from outside leagues? who'l b reffin the killester town game

[hooperlooper]

for the last 16 the referees have to come from outside the league of the home side,not outside the county,outside the league,hence, munster senior leagues refs will do the grattan pike game because though based in the same county as grattan they are from a different league,

[Worldcup]

for the last 16 the referees have to come from outside the league of the home side,not outside the county,outside the league,hence, munster senior leagues refs will do the grattan pike game because though based in the same county as grattan they are from a different league,Hooperlooper do you know anything about rockmount.They have a tough game against carew park in fai this weekend.I saw rockmount play in limerick 2 years ago in munster jnr against a regional side and they gave them a good run for it on that day.Is it the same team!

[thomas72]

Hooperlooper do you know anything about rockmount.They have a tough game against carew park in fai this weekend.I saw rockmount play in limerick 2 years ago in munster jnr against a regional side and they gave them a good run for it on that day.Is it the same team!



strange game this one no one seems to know anything about this rockmount side there quietly tipping away and got an excellant win again killarney celtic in kerry. we all know about carew and what they can do on there day the winner of this game has a nice home draw to reach the last 8. you would imagine if carew sneaked past rockmount and with a home tie in next round they might start to believe they can do what they did 2 years ago why not. o ya except dont play an ilegal player.

[Worldcup]

strange game this one no one seems to know anything about this rockmount side there quietly tipping away and got an excellant win again killarney celtic in kerry. we all know about carew and what they can do on there day the winner of this game has a nice home draw to reach the last 8. you would imagine if carew sneaked past rockmount and with a home tie in next round they might start to believe they can do what they did 2 years ago why not. o ya except dont play an ilegal player.Was at a munster jnr cup game a few weeks ago and overheard that a lad playing with carew used to play with rockmount.Pike and carew should get throught to the next round they might be too strong for the cork lad's

[hooperlooper]

not a bad side,they can be quite physcial at times though, very fit and their manager james cocran is very good so they are a well drilled bunch,grattan knocked them out of the mjc last season on there own pitch and our game plan ws imple dont leave them settle,even the msl junior sides are very good and spreadin the ball around,there problem is that they expext you to give them that time and when you close the down the y just cant seem to play as a team anymore,msl junior sides in general think they are above everyone else so give them no time on the ball and play a fast game and it wont suit them one bit because they are so used to dictatin the pace, ,if it was us playin them id hit everything down the throat of the center half,he trys to play to much ball,there sweeper can also be guilty of the same and he aint quick enough to make up 4 his mistakes,they do try to play ball though,there center forwards tend to lean on the large side ,so you would be better off man markin with a sweeper,there center mid field is good but dosent support the front two much,the league they play in is ok ,try to isolate there center backs because the play quite high up the pitch as well,rockmount park is a neat and tidy pitck not to big or small so a quick wide man and a large pairing up front will cause them problems,the only guy id worry about if he is even playing would be there tall center forward plays like kanu ,hes xcellent but im not sure if he is available,but on the whole a top junior side should take them,just beware they will have great support on there own pitch an that can sway the refs so id try to keep the refs in my good books,they will probably be aul refs,funny bunch,wont put up with any back talk and blow for small things a lot.:ball:

[Worldcup]

not a bad side,they can be quite physcial at times though, very fit and their manager james cocran is very good so they are a well drilled bunch,grattan knocked them out of the mjc last season on there own pitch and our game plan ws imple dont leave them settle,even the msl junior sides are very good and spreadin the ball around,there problem is that they expext you to give them that time and when you close the down the y just cant seem to play as a team anymore,msl junior sides in general think they are above everyone else so give them no time on the ball and play a fast game and it wont suit them one bit because they are so used to dictatin the pace, ,if it was us playin them id hit everything down the throat of the center half,he trys to play to much ball,there sweeper can also be guilty of the same and he aint quick enough to make up 4 his mistakes,they do try to play ball though,there center forwards tend to lean on the large side ,so you would be better off man markin with a sweeper,there center mid field is good but dosent support the front two much,the league they play in is ok ,try to isolate there center backs because the play quite high up the pitch as well,rockmount park is a neat and tidy pitck not to big or small so a quick wide man and a large pairing up front will cause them problems,the only guy id worry about if he is even playing would be there tall center forward plays like kanu ,hes xcellent but im not sure if he is available,but on the whole a top junior side should take them,just beware they will have great support on there own pitch an that can sway the refs so id try to keep the refs in my good books,they will probably be aul refs,funny bunch,wont put up with any back talk and blow for small things a lot.:ball:Was at the ot game when limerick ot v cork msl and the cork right back got stuffed.Looks to be carrying a bit or just not fit.Carew have a few fast wingers like corbett,farmer,whelan and mingy.