David Connolly

[patsh]

Originally posted by Magoo
i dont know what sort of reaction I'll get to this but does anyone think that maybe its ok to not want to play an international match if you dont want to?
Yes, surely people can make up their own minds at different times.
Remember David O'Leary ?
Well no one accused him of being a traitor etc, he did want to play for irleand, yet he was treated like sh*t by that f*cking gobdaw Charlton simply because he did not want to go to some meaningless tournament in Iceland, and wanted to go on holiday with his wfe and kids instead.

[fosterdollar]

Originally posted by Magoo
i dont know what sort of reaction I'll get to this but does anyone think that maybe its ok to not want to play an international match if you dont want to?

sorry, i meant not PLAY if u dont want to....

[Éanna]

Originally posted by Magoo
i dont know what sort of reaction I'll get to this but does anyone think that maybe its ok to not want to play an international match if you dont want to?
IMO, representing your country is one of the greatest honours that can be bestwowed on anyone and I have no time for someone who would refuse such an opportunity unless there are extreme mitigating circumstances

[fosterdollar]

Originally posted by Éanna

IMO, representing your country is one of the greatest honours that can be bestwowed on anyone and I have no time for someone who would refuse such an opportunity unless there are extreme mitigating circumstances

but we're hardly heading to war a aginst Greece

[Shano]

completely agree with you Eanna - Magoo what are you talking about

[fosterdollar]

Originally posted by Shano
completely agree with you Eanna - Magoo what are you talking about

I'm talking about the demonising of players for not playing matches which are important but less important than most internationals. It's well for Duff et al to be picked automatically only to say that they have injuries when we all bloody know that they would be available for their respective clubs under the same circumstances. At least Connolly had the dignity to ask why he wasnt picked in the first place. You all took the p!ss out of him when it was suggested that maybe he should have been picked originally. What has been sown is now being reaped.

[Éanna]

Would it be that hard for a fella to turn up to the squad and only play 10 minurtes or whatever? come on like, they´re going to be training with their clubs anyway

[fosterdollar]

no, i agree completely. IMO he should be going. I know that its a massive honour to play for Ireland. However, I dont like the double standards of dogging him out of it one day and demanding he be in the squad the next.

One other thing; I dont think that just because a player does not want to play when they are not injured they deserve to be slated. Too often people are not given a right of reply in situations like that. Remember that his story is that GIvens didnt wait about long enough to hear that he has a problem with the stitches in his ankle coming out.

[Wizzard]

Originally posted by Éanna
Would it be that hard for a fella to turn up to the squad and only play 10 minurtes or whatever? come on like, they´re going to be training with their clubs anyway

What about players that have retired from International Football, should they be demonised for refusing to play for their country when they are still able to play for their clubs?

[Éanna]

I can understand fellas retiring from international football towards the end of their careers

[Wizzard]

So it's acceptable if a player near the end of his career chooses not to play for his country.

That's an interesting view from someone who calls RK a traitor because he was sent home from the World Cup.

[Éanna]

Ah stop yer shagging nit-picking will ya :rolleyes: Any person in any career steps back a bit when they´re nearing the end of said career if they can. When someone has faithfully served their country for a long time (Irwin, Quinn, Staunton) they have the right to go out at the top.

There´s no need to bring bloody Roy Keane into this as well. For crying out loud- do you people actually do anything but talk all day about your beloved mancunian judas? If I started talking about womens under 12´s football in outer mongolia, you lot would find a way to tie it to why "poor roy" was shafted etc.

Right now, we´re talking about the squad for the game against Greece. Roy Keane isn´t in it. He may very well not be in the next one. Can we just forget about him until he decides whether to "lower" himself from his little castle in the sky and play for his country again?

[pete]

Originally posted by Magoo
no, i agree completely. IMO he should be going. I know that its a massive honour to play for Ireland. However, I dont like the double standards of dogging him out of it one day and demanding he be in the squad the next.

Just beacuse i don't think Connolly is good enough for the oroginal squad doesn't mean he not good enough for 5th or 6th placed forward. Similarily I don't think Crowe is up to making our top 10 forwards but i think he shouldn't be ignored when we have injuries just cos he plays at home.

I don't think Given should necessarily have spoken to the press about his conversation with Connolly but the extracts about Connolly thinking he should be 1st choice irish forward are laughable.

:rolleyes:

Maybe he has matured but Connolly has displayed a petulant streak in the past.

[fosterdollar]

Originally posted by Éanna
Ah stop yer shagging nit-picking will ya :rolleyes: Any person in any career steps back a bit when they´re nearing the end of said career if they can. When someone has faithfully served their country for a long time (Irwin, Quinn, Staunton) they have the right to go out at the top.

There´s no need to bring bloody Roy Keane into this as well. For crying out loud- do you people actually do anything but talk all day about your beloved mancunian judas? If I started talking about womens under 12´s football in outer mongolia, you lot would find a way to tie it to why "poor roy" was shafted etc.

Right now, we´re talking about the squad for the game against Greece. Roy Keane isn´t in it. He may very well not be in the next one. Can we just forget about him until he decides whether to "lower" himself from his little castle in the sky and play for his country again?

here, here

[fosterdollar]

Originally posted by pete


Just beacuse i don't think Connolly is good enough for the oroginal squad doesn't mean he not good enough for 5th or 6th placed forward.

Fair enough, but he has a right to turn it down if HE sees fit

[Wizzard]

Originally posted by Éanna
Ah stop yer shagging nit-picking will ya :rolleyes: Any person in any career steps back a bit when they´re nearing the end of said career if they can. When someone has faithfully served their country for a long time (Irwin, Quinn, Staunton) they have the right to go out at the top.

There´s no need to bring bloody Roy Keane into this as well. For crying out loud- do you people actually do anything but talk all day about your beloved mancunian judas? If I started talking about womens under 12´s football in outer mongolia, you lot would find a way to tie it to why "poor roy" was shafted etc.

Right now, we´re talking about the squad for the game against Greece. Roy Keane isn´t in it. He may very well not be in the next one. Can we just forget about him until he decides whether to "lower" himself from his little castle in the sky and play for his country again?

You're some man for double standards, every other post in the Cork section is from you trying to push your views about the manager. Any argument you don't like is put down as immature or not relevant.
Try to take an objective viewpoint not related to the parochial football teams of England. I personally couldn't care less where a player earns his living. I'm only interested in their performances in a Green shirt, you seem to have a major hang-up about some teams in England. Cop yourself on and try reason.

[Schumi]

Originally posted by Magoo


Fair enough, but he has a right to turn it down if HE sees fit I don't think he can complain about being left out again if he won't take up the opportunity he's given (no pun intended;) ).

[Éanna]

Originally posted by Wizzard
You're some man for double standards, every other post in the Cork section is from you trying to push your views about the manager. Any argument you don't like is put down as immature or not relevant.
I have a hang-up? Have you made a single post on this site since june that hasn´t had the word Roy or Keane in it? So many of you Keanites are like single-issue election candidates- pontificating til there´s smoke coming out of yer ears about one thing and then silence on everything else, which god forbid, could actually be more important to the rest of the world. I´m not pushing my views on anyone- I reply to posts giving my opinion, as I (and everyone else on this board) have the right to do.


Originally posted by Wizzard
Try to take an objective viewpoint not related to the parochial football teams of England.
WHAT?! I couldn´t honestly give a flying **** about football teams in England (parochial or other) If you read any of my posts you´ll see that my only references to English clubs are to the Irish players who play there. I would rather that the Irish domestic league had some representatives in the Ireland squad, like just about every other country in the world, but when it comes to the Ireland squad, yes their performance is the key factor.

To be honest I´m a bit confused as to what you´re getting at in your post- is there a hidden gem of wisdom that only you can see in it? :rolleyes:

[pete]

Originally posted by Schumi
I don't think he can complain about being left out again if he won't take up the opportunity he's given (no pun intended;) ).

Exactely, you either available for selection of you're not (i.e. retired). IMO players do not have the right to pick & choose their international matches!

[The Legend]

You know if i was Connolly, this would be my thinking...

"Calling me upto the squad cause of withdrawals, i'll show them... by playing and doing well"...

Could have shown Don Givens a lesson, whether he was technically even capable of that is another question!

[fosterdollar]

Originally posted by pete


Exactely, you either available for selection of you're not (i.e. retired). IMO players do not have the right to pick & choose their international matches!

Connolly is not the only one doing it though

[Éanna]

Originally posted by The Legend
You know if i was Connolly, this would be my thinking...

"Calling me upto the squad cause of withdrawals, i'll show them... by playing and doing well"...
Thats the way anyone who really wanted to play for their country would be thinking surely

[The Money Man]

Originally posted by Éanna

Thats the way anyone who really wanted to play for their country would be thinking surely

Slight correction....

Thats the way anyone who really wanted to play for their country AND WAS FULLY FIT!!! would be thinking surely

That's not to suggest that I want the guy involved. He is unquestionably a sub-standard international striker. Having said that, we haven't hoardes of quality competing for the 4/5 squad places available for forward players.

[John83]

West Ham signed Wimbledon striker David Connolly for a fee of £285,000. He has signed a three-year deal at Upton Park to become their first summer signing.

Connolly scored 42 goals in 63 league starts at Wimbledon over the last two seasons.

Source was Soccernet (www.soccernet.com)

I guess they had to replace Di Canio. He may not get his game there ahead of Kanoute and their young English striker (name eludes me for the moment). That can only be bad for us.

[pineapple stu]

Defoe is the player you're thinking of - presume he wants away after handing in a transfer request the day after they went down.

If he can keep up his strike rate, there's no reason why he can't get his game. They should be up for promotion as well, as opposed to Wimbledon who were a mid-table side.

[tiktok]

i think it's a very good move for him, better than reading anyway, he'll be playing with better players and has a genuine chance of going up with the hammers next season. I'd say Defoe will be gone and i'd reckon he'll link up well with Kanoute.

[tiktok]

just saw that he went for 285,000stg. is that not a bit low for an international striker who's scored 41 goals in two seasons in the first division. three year deal though, so let's hope he gets up to the Premiership with them.

[NigeSausagepump]

I reckon its a good move.

He won't walk into the team at West Ham, and it'll be a real test of his credentials. If he can be a success there, it'll give him great confidence for the international team. If he isn't a success there, well frankly that suggests he isn't international quality anyway.

[Schumi]

Originally posted by tiktok
just saw that he went for 285,000stg. is that not a bit low for an international striker who's scored 41 goals in two seasons in the first division? It would depend on how long was left on his Wimbledon contract. If it was his last year, Wimbledon would be more likely to accept a lower price knowing that he could leave for free at the end of the season.

[Dodge]

Plus Wimbledon have to sell as they're in the ****s at the moment...

[ramsie]

thats a good signing for West Ham hopefully they will go straight back up cause thats where they belong

[Footie_Fan]

Very good signing for West Ham and a good move for Connolly. He is definately a good 1st Division player and playing for the best team in that league can only improve his general play and be good for Ireland. He will probably get a high percentage of playing time as well now that Kanoute is gone to Spurs.

[Slash/ED]

Incidentaly, Kanoute has signed for Spurs, so that should be his place in the side pretty assured.

[colster]

Looks like West Ham are going to have a midget strike force next season in Connolly and Defoe (if he stays).
Don't know if that will work week in week out in the 1st division. They need a big strong striker to complement those 2.

[tiktok]

Glenn Roeder commented the other day that he still has his eyes on another striker. it's pure speculation on my part, but Rotherham turned down an approach from 'an unnamed first division side' for Alan Lee.

Could we see Lee and Connolly upfront for the hammers next season. an all irish attack at upton park (and a good one at that).

[Footie_Fan]

Originally posted by tiktok
Glenn Roeder commented the other day that he still has his eyes on another striker. it's pure speculation on my part, but Rotherham turned down an approach from 'an unnamed first division side' for Alan Lee.

That was Cardiff City.

[tiktok]

:D

whoops, i guess someone 'named' the unnamed team after i read the article.

[NigeSausagepump]

The Hammers signed Neil Mellor on a year's loan from Liverpool yesterday.
I would imagine that Defoe (if he stays) and Mellor will be first choice strikers at West Ham.
That said, from what I've seen of Mellor at Liverpool, he couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo.

[brine2]

Listening to Radio 5 Live at the moment, David Connolly came on for Mellor and got the winner, and is playing very lively up front with Defoe.

[brine2]

(Latest score)
Forest 2, Mick & Friends 0

two assists from andy reid

[Pauro 76]

He really spat the dummy when he wasnt starting, cos of Neil Mellor.... he laid into Roeder, decent player yeah, but what a fcuking big headed prima donna!

[d13bohs]

It didn't take long for Connolly to get up to his usual tricks, he has handed in a transfer request after one game because he didn't start, Neil Mellor started instead of him. He is an arrogant little tosser who is nowhere near as good a player as he thinks he is

[Junior]

I do feel a bit for Connolly, from what he says Mellor hadn't even trained with the Hammers whereas David had been there for the last couple of weeks, getting to know his team mates etc....

Having said that, there are ways of dealing with these issues, and threatening to leave is just pathetic.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/west_ham_utd/3138399.stm

[d13bohs]

But thats Connolly all over, his antics at the world cup and his tantrum when he threw his rattle at Don Givens before the Greek game prove that this is not a one-off, Connolly believes that he is the (London)Irish Ronaldo and cant understand how the rest of the world hasn't realised it yet, give me Glen Crowe in the team over him any day

[tiktok]

Originally posted by d13bohs
he has handed in a transfer request after one game because he didn't start

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: a sure fire way to get yourself on the first eleven next week.
coming on and scoring would have made his point without being an idiot. with those antics would you even want him at your club?

[NigeSausagepump]

What makes his outburst even more stupid is the fact that Schemmel had a go at Roeder a couple of weeks before the season started and was told in no uncertain terms where to go, ie the reserves. Connolly could now find himself in for a long spell on the bench, and he certainly isn't endearing himself to the Hammers faithful.

[pete]

LOL, typical Connolly - he really does think hes better than he is.

Could make excuses if he was a young player but he been around enough not to be mouthing off on the manager on the 1st day of the season.

[tiktok]

looks like he got his way, he started tonight in the cup game and was great, played very well with defoe up front, scored two in a 3-1 win, the first coming from defoe who tapped in after connolly's 25 yard shot had come back off the underside of the bar.

schemmel has been unloaded to portsmouth by the way.

[paul_oshea]

David Connolly latched on to a pass from Damien Francis and finishes in emphatic style on his debut. wonder can he keep it up. if he does he deserves a recall. as much as i dont like the moany fook, i hope he makes it.

[tricky_colour]

I think I would have rather seen him come on against France rather than the Doc.
Will surely be starting against Cyprus I would imagine?
They can't say he's not Premireship class now!!