Evan Ferguson F Brighton b.2004

[rebelmusic]

I think a loan move would be really good for him. He came on tonight for 20 minutes and just looked lost.

There was four or five plays where he had wide open pockets to run into but just held back.

A loan to an attack minded championship club could work wonders.

[the 12 th man]

Had Fingal any fans?


Bit like Dublin City FC numbers wise at games,although they got a decent enough crowd at the 2009 FAI Cup Final where they beat Sligo Rovers,if I remember correctly they were funded by a Developer Gerry Gannon who was badly affected by the property crash which caused their demise ultimately.

[Buckett]

Thanks 12th man, but it was a rhetorical question really, a poor attempt at humour!

[the 12 th man]

Thanks 12th man, but it was a rhetorical question really, a poor attempt at humour!

It was a long time ago so you might have been only a gossun when SF were around.:)

[Buckett]

I'm a lot older than my post's suggest! Been going to games since the mid 90's

[Rayzor]

Been linked with a loan move to Leeds.

Leeds ‘in conversations’ to sign Evan Ferguson and Man City sensation – Insider https://www.footballinsider247.com/leeds-in-conversations-to-sign-evan-ferguson-and-man-city-sensation-insider/

[Olé Olé]

Been linked with a loan move to Leeds.

Leeds ‘in conversations’ to sign Evan Ferguson and Man City sensation – Insider https://www.footballinsider247.com/leeds-in-conversations-to-sign-evan-ferguson-and-man-city-sensation-insider/
He's been linked with a heap of teams. Plenty Premiership ones too. Permanent. Loan.

Hard to read anything into the links but if there's a chance he's available on loan or permanently I don't think he will need to drop a division.

[Rayzor]

He's been linked with a heap of teams. Plenty Premiership ones too. Permanent. Loan.

Hard to read anything into the links but if there's a chance he's available on loan or permanently I don't think he will need to drop a division.

I personally think he'd be better off dropping down a division, he needs games and championship clubs play a crazy amount of them. Leeds also play good football and create tons of chances.

[The Fly]

Starts today against Leicester.

[The Fly]

He’s been pretty anonymous so far.

[rebelmusic]

Disappointing today. Again not making much runs and fluffed a major chance by passing. More than a few times the high press broke down because Evan didn't close off the angles.

I hate to say it but the right thing to do for his development now is to send him on loan.

[Acornvilla]

I'd like to see him go on loan too, just for 6 months of football where a team is built around him, get his fitness and confidence back. There's plenty of teams around the bottom half of the PL that could use a striker, tough to see him break in to what Brighton are doing right now, but Welbeck's legs won't last forever and they'll likely lose Pedro in the not too distant future, so opportunities will open up again.

[Snapshot]

I'd like to see him go on loan too, just for 6 months of football where a team is built around him, get his fitness and confidence back. There's plenty of teams around the bottom half of the PL that could use a striker, tough to see him break in to what Brighton are doing right now, but Welbeck's legs won't last forever and they'll likely lose Pedro in the not too distant future, so opportunities will open up again.
I don't like the loan "solution". What team will build around a striker who isn't striking? A bottom-half PL side faces the same defences and structures as Brighton. It won't be easier, in fact it will add pressures. Fans will expect more and be less sympathetic than those at Brighton who have empathy with a youngster who emerged so spctacularly.

Dropping to the Championship would be worse. Was Bazunu any better there after his fragile PL season? No. Failure to impress could also brand Ferguson a flash-in-the-pan whose 15 minutes of fame has elapsed. Indeed, if we're totally honest and minus green-tints, it's an assessment not without momentum.

Ferguson should work to re-establish himself at Brighton. I don't believe manager Hurzler doesn't rate him or the nonsense that Wellbeck is his nemesis. If Ferguson is totally clear of injury, everything he needs is there. If he's good enough it'll happen,

[seanfhear]

The Tractor boys could do with a Ferguson !

[CraftyToePoke]

No. Failure to impress could also brand Ferguson a flash-in-the-pan whose 15 minutes of fame has elapsed. Indeed, if we're totally honest and minus green-tints, it's an assessment not without momentum.

Is he circling the Franny Jeffers / Andy Carroll / Saido Berahino plug hole Snappers ?

[SkStu]

It is just a matter of time. He will be an elite PL striker. Going through a challenging period, thats all.

[Acornvilla]

I don't like the loan "solution". What team will build around a striker who isn't striking? A bottom-half PL side faces the same defences and structures as Brighton. It won't be easier, in fact it will add pressures. Fans will expect more and be less sympathetic than those at Brighton who have empathy with a youngster who emerged so spctacularly.

Dropping to the Championship would be worse. Was Bazunu any better there after his fragile PL season? No. Failure to impress could also brand Ferguson a flash-in-the-pan whose 15 minutes of fame has elapsed. Indeed, if we're totally honest and minus green-tints, it's an assessment not without momentum.

Ferguson should work to re-establish himself at Brighton. I don't believe manager Hurzler doesn't rate him or the nonsense that Wellbeck is his nemesis. If Ferguson is totally clear of injury, everything he needs is there. If he's good enough it'll happen,
Brighton already being out of the League Cup, and not being in Europe does limit his opportunities to get in there and start games consistently to put in performances that will get him back to where he can be, a little niggle for Welbeck that puts him out for a fortnight wouldn't hurt, I'm saying what I have a little prematurely as the Christmas schedule is intense and now will be when they rotate, if he's still only starting the odd match by January I think he would be better off elsewhere, from Brighton's perspective he offers obvious excellent depth so I don't necessarily see it happening in any circumstance unless his form falls off a cliff.

[mark12345]

Brighton already being out of the League Cup, and not being in Europe does limit his opportunities to get in there and start games consistently to put in performances that will get him back to where he can be, a little niggle for Welbeck that puts him out for a fortnight wouldn't hurt, I'm saying what I have a little prematurely as the Christmas schedule is intense and now will be when they rotate, if he's still only starting the odd match by January I think he would be better off elsewhere, from Brighton's perspective he offers obvious excellent depth so I don't necessarily see it happening in any circumstance unless his form falls off a cliff.

The litmus test for me regarding Ferguson is what do I feel in my gut once he receives the ball? Honestly I feel fear...fear that he will likely lose the ball and Brighton's move will break down. Compare him to someone like Cole Palmer (his own age and similar stature) I don't feel the same way when Palmer receives the ball. Comparing Ferguson to Wellbeck, Minteh and Joao Pedro, he is last in that line up of player's as far as doing damage for Brighton. Joao Pedro is number one. Evan needs goals right now if his career is going to progress

[rebelmusic]

Completely agree about the fear part and you can see that he's really afraid of making mistakes. At times it looks like the players around him aren't giving him the short passes either. It's a bit of a clusterbuck of little things that are killing his confidence.

I agree that a loan to a low level PL side might not be the best thing but surely one of the top table championship teams wouldn't be a bad move? Or maybe a European team?

You can even see the difference in play when he's been on for Ireland - more relaxed and taking more risks.

[pineapple stu]

He's back baby!

Maybe... Hopefully...

Consolation goal today in a 3-1 defeat at home against Palace. Had gotten the last 20 or so as a sub.

Edit - or maybe not. Futbol24 gives him the goal, but most places giving it as a Guehi own goal instead.

As you were...

[Eirambler]

Was an OG surely? Very similar to Doherty's one yesterday with a defender whacking a clearance straight off the back of another one and in. Ferguson was in there making a nuisance of himself alright though.

[liamoo11]

Was an OG surely? Very similar to Doherty's one yesterday with a defender whacking a clearance straight off the back of another one and in. Ferguson was in there making a nuisance of himself alright though.

Complete og. Rutter and pedro woeful today.

[mark12345]

Complete og. Rutter and pedro woeful today.

Both were terrible today. The team in general was woeful with the exception of Enciso who made quite an impact when he came on. Ferguson was quite lively in his late substitute appearance but this Brighton team has problems at both ends of the pitch

[seanfhear]

Maybe ~ Ferguson will get a start in the next game ?

[Jolly Red Giant]

Both were terrible today. The team in general was woeful with the exception of Enciso who made quite an impact when he came on. Ferguson was quite lively in his late substitute appearance but this Brighton team has problems at both ends of the pitch
Opposing managers seem to have figured them out - two draws with Southampton (at home) and Leicester (away) and defeats to Fulham and Palace (3 of them bottom five teams) - smacks of a team going off the rails. Their form is bottom three at the moment.

[Eirambler]

His confidence in front of goal looks absolutely shot at the moment. Made an awful hash of a decent chance when he came on today. Did at least do well to hold a ball up and set up a chance for a teammate, which was saved.

[Olé Olé]

Looks like he's out of the squad tonight. They have Rutter, Minteh and Adingra on the bench. March is another player that can play in an attacking role and he's back from a long term injury and in the squad too.

[Eirambler]

Can they not play him in a few PL2 games or something to help him get his confidence in front of goal back? I can understand why Brighton don't have him in the team at the moment, he's just not playing well enough.

[Colbert Report]

I read on twitter that he's out injured. He seems to be linked with a loan move to almost every other Premier League team in January.

[Jolly Red Giant]

I read on twitter that he's out injured. He seems to be linked with a loan move to almost every other Premier League team in January.
Yea - he has an ankle injury.

Rumours floating around that Welbeck (who has been acting as a mentor to Ferguson) had a big bust up with Hurzeler over how he was treating Ferguson. This is interesting given that Welbeck is also out injured, Brighton's current form is bottom three and haven't won in seven games. It looks like Welbeck's intervention might have had some impact - today Hurzeler said that if Ferguson was fit he would be starting - but he is also out for the Arsenal game. Welback has no timeline for a return with a foot injury, Ferguson should be fit for the cup game. It will also be interesting to see if Liverpool go after Pedro in January.

[Exgrad]

Seems to be a lot of interest in taking Ferguson on loan. This ankle injury could well be a injury of convenience. With so many stories doing the rounds does appear he wants out. Been a tough 12 months for him but i do feel he's been fcuked about a bit by the two Brighton managers in that time.

[irishfan86]

Telegraph reporting West Ham trying to get him in on loan, but suggests the questions over how long Welbeck will be out factors into things. Hopefully one way or another we’ll see Evan getting game time in the second half of the season.

[Rayzor]

Telegraph reporting West Ham trying to get him in on loan, but suggests the questions over how long Welbeck will be out factors into things. Hopefully one way or another we’ll see Evan getting game time in the second half of the season.

Not sure about West Ham, he'd be competing with Fullkrug and Inges for playing time.
He'd be better dropping down a division and try to get a run of games and goals, especially if one of the bettet sides in that division like a Leeds, Sheffield Utd or Burnley are interested in him.

[Olé Olé]

Something making the West Ham rumours all the more interesting is that Graham Potter looks to be taking over as their manager.

Ferguson made his debut for Potter in 21/22 and scored his first goal for Brighton in the EFL Cup in August 22 before Potter departed in September 22.

He wasn't around for the real Ferguson kick on but Ferguson was 17 when Potter departed.

Might their interest and maybe the move make some sense?

[Jolly Red Giant]

Not sure about West Ham, he'd be competing with Fullkrug and Inges for playing time.
He'd be better dropping down a division and try to get a run of games and goals, especially if one of the bettet sides in that division like a Leeds, Sheffield Utd or Burnley are interested in him.
West Ham have 6 forwards in their first team squad - Jarod Bowen has scored 5 goals in 19 games - Fullkrug has scored 2 in 9 games and the other four have amassed 3 goals between them. Ferguson would not have any real competition at West Ham.

That is not to say that a loan move to West Ham would work for him - but he would get game time.

The big issue that I have is that, in my opinion, Potter is a spoofer - and I don't think he will turn things around - but the squad probably is good enough not to get relegated.

[Exgrad]

even though the Brighton manager obviously doesnt fancy him and has taken the **** with him really, i can't see brighton letting him go, Welbeck out injured at moment.

[Eirambler]

Brighton always have a bright shiny new thing lined up from somewhere though. They may feel they can let him go and make space to bring someone else in.

[Jolly Red Giant]

even though the Brighton manager obviously doesnt fancy him and has taken the **** with him really, i can't see brighton letting him go, Welbeck out injured at moment.
I don't think they will either (and Ferguson has an ankle injury at the moment too). On top of that Brighton will probably cash in on Pedro next summer (and Wellbeck is 34). Brighton spent £200m in transfers last summer (most of that came from Chelsea) - but they will have to sell if they want to spent next summer and Pedro would generate a lot of profit for them. Now if Brighton sell Pedro and then buy another expensive striker then it does send a message to Ferguson. Bloom does think long-term and Brighton are on a slide at the moment as coaches have figured out Hurzeler (Brighton haven't won in 8 and Pedro has only scored once in those 8 games - their current form is bottom 3) - Bloom will probably keep him next season to see if Hurzeler shows he can adapt - but if not I think Bloom would like to have Ferguson in the squad as an option for a new manager. Bloom knows Ferguson's potential value and he will try and max this out when Ferguson is eventually sold.

[EalingGreen]

I don't think they will either (and Ferguson has an ankle injury at the moment too). On top of that Brighton will probably cash in on Pedro next summer (and Wellbeck is 34). Brighton spent £200m in transfers last summer (most of that came from Chelsea) - but they will have to sell if they want to spent next summer and Pedro would generate a lot of profit for them. Now if Brighton sell Pedro and then buy another expensive striker then it does send a message to Ferguson. Bloom does think long-term and Brighton are on a slide at the moment as coaches have figured out Hurzeler (Brighton haven't won in 8 and Pedro has only scored once in those 8 games - their current form is bottom 3) - Bloom will probably keep him next season to see if Hurzeler shows he can adapt - but if not I think Bloom would like to have Ferguson in the squad as an option for a new manager. Bloom knows Ferguson's potential value and he will try and max this out when Ferguson is eventually sold.Whatever about the rest of that post, I don't think your bold can be right:
Profit/(Loss) 2022/23
Off the pitch, the results were just as good, arguably even better, as Brighton’s pre-tax profit surged from £24m to a very impressive £133m.
https://swissramble.substack.com/p/brighton-and-hove-albion-finances-50a

So even though they'll likely have traded at a loss for 2023/24 (figures not out yet?), they'll still be able to count on 2022/23 in their three-year rolling PSR allowance.

[Exgrad]

Out with ankle injury for another few weeks

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/sports/football/huge-evan-ferguson-blow-as-brighton-manager-gives-fresh-update-on-ireland-striker-s-injury-woes/ar-BB1rdoPZ

[Jolly Red Giant]

Whatever about the rest of that post, I don't think your bold can be right:
Profit/(Loss) 2022/23
Off the pitch, the results were just as good, arguably even better, as Brighton’s pre-tax profit surged from £24m to a very impressive £133m.
https://swissramble.substack.com/p/brighton-and-hove-albion-finances-50a

So even though they'll likely have traded at a loss for 2023/24 (figures not out yet?), they'll still be able to count on 2022/23 in their three-year rolling PSR allowance.
Nothing to do with the PSR allowance - in terms of PL club ownership Bloom is not particularly wealthy and has already pumped £400m into the club. Brighton is a very well run club - but the 22/23 figures included getting about £150m in from transfers and compensation from Chelsea for Potter with only about £30m going on incoming transfers. In 23-24 about £150m came in - but about £100m went out. However, last summer Brighton spent over £200m while very little came in. Now there was strategic thinking from Brighton's perspective - because bigger clubs were on the limit for money, transfer fees for several of the players Brighton signed were lower than expected - Bloom gambled that their value will increase. But Brighton have spent all their surplus from the previous two years and more - and Bloom is not pumping more money into the club (which is now his biggest asset). If they want to buy they will have to sell - and Pedro is the major asset they have to sell - they could get upwards of £75m for him (effectively doubling their money). Now - unlike most other clubs - Brighton do not have to sell - but they also don't have a limitless pot to dip into.

[Jolly Red Giant]

Out with ankle injury for another few weeks

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/sports/football/huge-evan-ferguson-blow-as-brighton-manager-gives-fresh-update-on-ireland-striker-s-injury-woes/ar-BB1rdoPZ
Very unfortunate - but the most important thing for Ferguson is to heal properly (and make sure his head is in the right place - getting a run of injuries like this is difficult for a young player).

[EalingGreen]

in terms of PL club ownership Bloom is not particularly wealthy and has already pumped £400m into the club.Bloom may not be a billionaire like a lot of other PL owners. But he's a genuine fan, who's quite happy to put in what money he can, as and when he thinks BHA need it.

As for selling in the summer (or even this window?), that's always been part of the process at that club, same eg as Brentford or Bournemouth.

Meanwhile the club felt secure enough in June 2023 to pay back £33m of Bloom's £300m loans to the club. They'll be alright.

[Eirambler]

Brighton in for a 19 year old Greek striker who has been playing well in the German second division. They're apparently willing to pay about £20m for him, which suggests they may rate him highly enough that he could take on the backup role Ferguson has been demoted to this season, and maybe allow Ferguson to move on.

[Jolly Red Giant]

Bloom may not be a billionaire like a lot of other PL owners. But he's a genuine fan, who's quite happy to put in what money he can, as and when he thinks BHA need it.


As for selling in the summer (or even this window?), that's always been part of the process at that club, same eg as Brentford or Bournemouth.


Meanwhile the club felt secure enough in June 2023 to pay back £33m of Bloom's £300m loans to the club. They'll be alright.
Just to come back to the PSR stuff - apparently Brighton do have to sell this summer to stay within limits.

You are right that Bloom is a genuine fan - but the guy has already pumped over £400m into the club - he doesn't have the same level of deep pockets as other owners.

[Rayzor]

Just to come back to the PSR stuff - apparently Brighton do have to sell this summer to stay within limits.

You are right that Bloom is a genuine fan - but the guy has already pumped over £400m into the club - he doesn't have the same level of deep pockets as other owners.

Not sure where you got that from, according to the price of football podcast, Brighton could spend a half a billion and still be within the psr rules. The highest in the Premier league, it was a discussion on how many city can spend so much this winter, they were second with 400 million.

[elatedscum]

Brighton in for a 19 year old Greek striker who has been playing well in the German second division. They're apparently willing to pay about £20m for him, which suggests they may rate him highly enough that he could take on the backup role Ferguson has been demoted to this season, and maybe allow Ferguson to move on.

Liverpool also interested in the same young lad

[EalingGreen]

Just to come back to the PSR stuff - apparently Brighton do have to sell this summer to stay within limits.
Further to Rayzor's post above, and in the light of BHA's big spending spree in the Summer 2024 transfer window, The Athletic/New York Times reported this on 31st August 2024 i.e. when the window had just closed:

"Brighton have no concerns about profit and sustainability rules. They made a Premier League record profit of £122.8million in 2022-23 when they reached Europe for the first time by finishing sixth in the table under former head coach Roberto De Zerbi.
The money for Caicedo (£115million) and Sanchez (£25m) does not show until the 2023-24 accounts, a substantial launchpad towards another year of financial health boosted further by an estimated £20m from reaching the last 16 of the Europa League."

More on the above here, though it may be paywalled: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5725928/2024/08/30/brighton-spending-spree/



You are right that Bloom is a genuine fan
"The sports betting entrepreneur is a lifelong fan with strong family connections to the club — his late grandfather, Harry, was vice chairman in the 1970s and his uncle, Ray, is a long-serving member of the board of directors."



... the guy has already pumped over £400m into the club - he doesn't have the same level of deep pockets as other owners.
He's not a billionaire, but he really doesn't need the money, incidentally provided in the form of interest-free loans:
"The bumper profit made in 2022-23 meant, for the first time, the club were able to make a payment back to Bloom of £32.2million, reducing the overall debt to him to £373.3million. Bloom has not asked for any money back, but the club feel obliged to pay something back in recognition of the scale of his support."

[Eirambler]

Ferguson linked with a move to Marseille this morning by Alan Nixon and also a French media site.

They're currently second in Ligue 1, 10 points behind PSG. Mason Greenwood and Neil Maupay both play for them.

[Supreme feet]

Marseille fans of a certain vintage will be digging out their old 'Tony Goal' tricolours!