Perth sacked

[D24Saint]

From a few years ago

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/jim-magilton-daughter-assault-charge-is-withdrawn-35529792.html

Never heard that story. Doesn’t come across as the most cheerful sort alright.

[Straightstory]

I have to say - I'll miss Filippo. He was a colourful character with lots of charisma. (When my wife first saw hm on TV, she said 'Who is THAT!?') He definitely brought a bit of 'oomph' to the league. I wonder how his career will pan out now...

[D24Saint]

I have to say - I'll miss Filippo. He was a colourful character with lots of charisma. (When my wife first saw hm on TV, she said 'Who is THAT!?') He definitely brought a bit of 'oomph' to the league. I wonder how his career will pan out now...

The Italians are a colourful race of people always a bit of craic. He was an interesting addition to the LOI for his short stint and will be remembered, along with such names as charles livingstone mbabazi , Mindaugas Kalonas , Steve Lynex etc

[EalingGreen]

Incredible to think of all the signings Dundalk have made from underage positions. First team manager, first team assistant manager and General manager all came from a juvenile job with the goal of stepping up to become a European club in Ireland. It's a bananas way to try to raise the bar
Tbf to Magilton, after 20 years as a player in England (500+ games at a decent level, plus 52 caps), he also managed Ipswich and QPR.

And Michael O'Neill rated him highly enough to take him first to Shamrock Rovers, then to the IFA.

And his last job at the IFA was as a Director (not a coach), which presumably relates to his new job as "General Manager" at DFC?

Which doesn't necessarily mean he was very good at all of those jobs, but as CV's go, he at least merited consideration.

[Bucket]

I have never nor will I ever allow facts to get in the way of sticking the boot into a falling successful club!

You're absolutely right though, he's had a good career and has been employed by much bigger clubs than a lot of LOI managers have.

[pineapple stu]

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2021/0418/1210618-dundalks-legacy-is-a-mess-and-a-shell-of-a-ground/

I’m a fan of Cawley he is a decent bloke to talk to , but IMO this is Hyperbole.
I think he's fairly spot on in fairness. Dundalk have nothing to show for their Euro millions, and are showing close on relegation form for the past half a season or so. It's a really worrying position for them.

[Nesta99]

From a few years ago

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/jim-magilton-daughter-assault-charge-is-withdrawn-35529792.html

Charge withdrawn, no background, may not look great but maybe he was stopping her doing any number of the things that a 14 yr old girl could that worry guardians. In isolation and no detail its poor form to try and infer something damaging about a persons reputation with this.

[D24Saint]

I think he's fairly spot on in fairness. Dundalk have nothing to show for their Euro millions, and are showing close on relegation form for the past half a season or so. It's a really worrying position for them.

I wouldn’t necessarily tie a sporting legacy to facilities. I know a clubs stature is linked to its facilities but players achieve things on the field. I’d agree that Oriel is a dump as are many grounds in the LOI but it doesn’t tarnish their sporting achievements.

[mcgonigle]

Might need to rename this thread...

https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1383863400426467336?s=19

Interesting to hear him talk about having a good relationship with the owners and still speaks to them. When everyone thinks he was shafted and the owners were interfering

[pineapple stu]

I wouldn’t necessarily tie a sporting legacy to facilities. I know a clubs stature is linked to its facilities but players achieve things on the field. I’d agree that Oriel is a dump as are many grounds in the LOI but it doesn’t tarnish their sporting achievements.
The sporting achievements are a legacy of their own of course and can't be taken away. But they could have built a more solid foundation for the club with the money they earned. Shels' football legacy is great too, but it's not doing them much good now

[D24Saint]

The sporting achievements are a legacy of their own of course and can't be taken away. But they could have built a more solid foundation for the club with the money they earned. Shels' football legacy is great too, but it's not doing them much good now

It seems to be part of that course in Ireland, unfortunately. We spent millions at the start of the GK era. The unfortunate part is that we got no on field success for that cash and no off field facilities either. We are still playing in crumbling stadium with no training facilities of our own.

[sbgawa]

Wrong thread

[D24Saint]

Wrong thread

Wrong league off to the Super league with Rovers.

[sbgawa]

Wrong league off to the Super league with Rovers.

Indeed :)

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

It seems to be part of that course in Ireland, unfortunately. We spent millions at the start of the GK era. The unfortunate part is that we got no on field success for that cash and no off field facilities either. We are still playing in crumbling stadium with no training facilities of our own.

Not saying we have the greatest ground in the land or anything but am so glad that we actually did invest in the place during the start of the last decade when we were on a good run

[CorribsideSteve]

Not saying we have the greatest ground in the land or anything but am so glad that we actually did invest in the place during the start of the last decade when we were on a good run
Best thing Sligo ever did tbh. Bucked the trend of boom to bust that nearly every other club has suffered from. Super,tidy, little ground, even have a little Museum now. I remember Sports Stadium highlights from the mid 90's and it was worse than Oriel Park is now (at least how it looked to my young eyes).
On the broader point of the situation at Dundalk, it's hard to know where to start. It's a pity that it didn't work out for Giovagnoli. I actually though he knew what he was doing tactically. Shane Keegan never, ever came across as a competent coach/manager, though he may in fact be the one that holds the UEFA Credentials. The musical chair statements on the status of who was or was not the Manager this season was a joke, and hints at haphazard, last-minute decision making by the Owners.
It's a mess. Galway United were up to their necks in nonsense during the Nick Leeson days (obligatory DVD mention), and took a long time recovering from it, and his 'ways', and I hope Dundalk don't suffer the same fate with their owners.

[DCWA]

That Magilton boy sounds an absolute clown as well good job they didn’t do much to Oriel because there won’t be a club left to play in it in a couple of years.

[DCSIL]

Jose made his move as soon as Fillipo and Shane announced they were going.

[Dalymountrower]

Jose made his move as soon as Fillipo and Shane announced they were going.

Reports of cartons of custard creams being delivered to Oriel, announcement imminent.

[Martinho II]

That Magilton boy sounds an absolute clown as well good job they didn’t do much to Oriel because there won’t be a club left to play in it in a couple of years.

I dont remember him being as narky when he was with MON at Shamrock Rovers. He is a bit of a know it all. It was PG that was coaching the team this season all along.

[mcgonigle]

There are rumours that the FAI forced Dundalk into the ridiculous press conference concerning the management setup, basically scripted it. Apparently the FAI had their knuckles wrapped by UEFA over the FG thing in the Europa League and the lack of governance/licencing in the league.

Obviously the media have had a field day with it. So if true it might explain JM's abruptness, probably sick of it.

Just a rumour, like the many others floating about.

[Charlie Darwin]

Well of course it wasn't done voluntarily. I'd say UEFA were putting pressure on the FAI after what went on in the Europa League games.

[mcgonigle]

Well of course it wasn't done voluntarily. I'd say UEFA were putting pressure on the FAI after what went on in the Europa League games.

Well all the well connected journalists didn't join those dots or chose not to, why ruin a good story. Which could explain why JM is not interested in talking to them.

He's hardly going to volunteer information after all that has been said about the club, true or not.

[Charlie Darwin]

I think it was mentioned in some of the articles though?

[placid casual]

What's with Perth whore-ing himself out on national radio trying to get the gig back at dundalk. I know he couldn't get a job elsewhere, it seems, but surely its never a good idea to go back begging to the bird who dumped year a year ago, no?
He is correct in saying that dundalk have the players to still win the league - christ knows they spent enough on the squad.
9 points behind the leaders can be made up over the course of the renaming 30 games or so.

[sbgawa]

What's with Perth whore-ing himself out on national radio trying to get the gig back at dundalk. I know he couldn't get a job elsewhere, it seems, but surely its never a good idea to go back begging to the bird who dumped year a year ago, no?
He is correct in saying that dundalk have the players to still win the league - christ knows they spent enough on the squad.
9 points behind the leaders can be made up over the course of the renaming 30 games or so.

Everyone has to earn a living

[Calcio Jack]

[QUOTE=placid casual;2074127]What's with Perth whore-ing himself out on national radio trying to get the gig back at dundalk. I know he couldn't get a job elsewhere, /QUOTE]

Whatever ones views might be about Perth or indeed any other individual that does not give you the right to refer to him as “ whore-ing himself out..”

Suggest you do the right thing and amend your post

[placid casual]

May I politely suggest you not clutch your pearls so tightly.

[mcgonigle]

I think it was mentioned in some of the articles though?

OK, I didn't see that myself. They were obviously told by the FAI to sort it out, but you would have thought that would be a rewording of roles on the website and programme, like at Pats? I don't remember it being suggested that the FAI told them to hold a press conference and gave them a script of what to say.

I have visions of Scanlon and Roche behind the scenes like Ant and Dec... "Shane, now say the buck stops with me in your best Louth accent" :D

[Sonny]

I really don't get the hostility from Dundalk fans towards journos who have been pulling back the curtain on the Buffalo Bill variety show. Especially when it's people like Dan McDonnell and James Rodgers who are Dundalk fans themselves. It's not a situation where it's a fans run club and people are talking out of school. Without their reporting people would be completely unaware of most of the madness going on behind the scenes. Yeah it's embarrassing for the club, but the responsibility for that lies in America.

[Calcio Jack]

May I politely suggest you not clutch your pearls so tightly.

No you may not

[Eminence Grise]

May I politely suggest you not clutch your pearls so tightly.


May I with equal politeness suggest you familiarise yourself with the forum rules on swearing (https://foot.ie/faq.php?faq=rules#faq_balls)?

[placid casual]

I wasn't aware that constituted swearing Sincere apologies for my profanity if anyone of a weak disposition was somehow offended by my obvious courseness.

[Nesta99]

What's with Perth whore-ing himself out on national radio trying to get the gig back at dundalk. I know he couldn't get a job elsewhere, it seems, but surely its never a good idea to go back begging to the bird who dumped year a year ago, no?
He is correct in saying that dundalk have the players to still win the league - christ knows they spent enough on the squad.
9 points behind the leaders can be made up over the course of the renaming 30 games or so.

Whatever your thoughts on Perth he generally backs things up with his reasoning. He has said that he feels that a coach out of work should be interested in the Dundalk job, the squad is there to still challenge for silverware, he still has contact with club owners and feels a conversation could be had about the possibility of returning while acknowledging that the club may not be interested in that chat. Its pragmatic imo.

You know that he couldnt get a job elsewhere but then you seem to question that knowledge?

[Sonny]

Not surprised at any football coach in Ireland trying to maneuver themselves into the running for a full-time job and wouldn't begrudge them for it. Prospects here are absolutely dismal for anyone trying to make a living as a manager. Listening to Buffalo Bill playing armchair quarterback would be a small price to pay for a job with that sort of budget available to you.

Dundalk, on the other hand, would be absolutely off their nut to consider taking Perth back months after sacking him.

[Charlie Darwin]

OK, I didn't see that myself. They were obviously told by the FAI to sort it out, but you would have thought that would be a rewording of roles on the website and programme, like at Pats? I don't remember it being suggested that the FAI told them to hold a press conference and gave them a script of what to say.

I have visions of Scanlon and Roche behind the scenes like Ant and Dec... "Shane, now say the buck stops with me in your best Louth accent" :D
i'd say Dundalk were just under UEFA's microscope from the Europa League and the shadow coaching fine, so they were following up to make sure the FAI got it straight. If it had been Pats in that situation I'd say it would have been the same, but as far as I remember they've always been clear that Mathews is the manager and O'Donnell the head coach (even though it's obviously not how it is in reality).

[Charlie Darwin]

Whatever your thoughts on Perth he generally backs things up with his reasoning. He has said that he feels that a coach out of work should be interested in the Dundalk job, the squad is there to still challenge for silverware, he still has contact with club owners and feels a conversation could be had about the possibility of returning while acknowledging that the club may not be interested in that chat. Its pragmatic imo.

You know that he couldnt get a job elsewhere but then you seem to question that knowledge?
Yeah, there's a handful of professional coaching jobs in the league and any coach would be mad to rule themselves out from one.

[Mr_Parker]

Well all the well connected journalists didn't join those dots or chose not to, why ruin a good story. Which could explain why JM is not interested in talking to them.


The real question is why journalists chose to ignore the managerial qualification issues that have been going on for years, and not just at Dundalk.

[Charlie Darwin]

The real question is why journalists chose to ignore the managerial qualification issues that have been going on for years, and not just at Dundalk.
I think they've all been covered extensively when they've arisen. It was well-publicised Rovers had to bring in Sami Ristila when Bradley's 60 days expired, before he got on the Pro license course. Gill was brought in because Perth didn't have a PL, same with Giovagnoli when Gill left and Keegan was left over. And it's been widely stated about Alan Mathews being the PL holder at Pats.

[Bucket]

How many are there now? O'Donnell, Sheedy, Higgins, ?. 30% of managers not qualified!
Personally I think coaches educating themselves is a positive thing but I don't think the Pro License should be mandatory to get the job.
Maybe have a situation where grants are given to clubs based on the number of qualified coaches they have throughout the whole club. The more they have, the more they would receive.
Sure wasn't the former CEO exaggerating his own professional qualifications too!

[Finlay Harp]

Has the David Healy to Dundalk rumour got any mileage in it?

[lofty9]

Has the David Healy to Dundalk rumour got any mileage in it?

Doubt it. Leave comfort for that? Chris Shields going to play for him has more legs.

[DCWA]

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/linfield-manager-david-healys-only-20534526

Healt certainly not denying it anyway. You would have to assume there is some substance to it.

FWIW, surely it would be a disastrous move for both parites.

[Nesta99]

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/linfield-manager-david-healys-only-20534526

Healt certainly not denying it anyway. You would have to assume there is some substance to it.

FWIW, surely it would be a disastrous move for both parites.

Why so?

[DCWA]

Why so?

Can’t see Healy succeeding in Dundalk. Or arguably anywhere in Ireland away from Linfield.

From his perspective he is leaving a gift of a job to join the circus.

[EalingGreen]

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/linfield-manager-david-healys-only-20534526

Healt certainly not denying it anyway. You would have to assume there is some substance to it.

It may be that Magilton would like there to be something in it, but it's Healy's thoughts which count.

And seeing as LFC say they're currently putting together a new 3 year contract offer, I wonder whether DH isn't using "interest" from DFC as a negotiating ploy?



FWIW, surely it would be a disastrous move for both parites.Maybe Magilton is very persuasive, but I still can't see why DH would leave LFC for Dundalk.

He's very secure where he is, they're stable and with big plans for the future. Meaning that to tempt him away he'd surely want something that offers him a clear step-up from what he has?

And while the DFC of 2 or 3 seasons ago would have fitted that bill, they've since regressed, with no guarantee they'll get back to that level very quickly, even if the new manager does well personally.

But still, if it went some way to "screwing the Bloos", I'd love to see it happen! :cool:

[Martinho II]

I too heard of that DH rumour but I ave a feeling VP will go back to Dundalk again. Why I dont know but I saw him on the touchline at Bishopsgate after the final whistle. I seen him at Sligo game too.

[Longfordian]

Really? Was he doing a media gig or something? I can't see any other valid reason for him to be at the games under current rules.

[Martinho II]

Really? Was he doing a media gig or something? I can't see any other valid reason for him to be at the games under current rules.

Yeah wondering was he scoutin for someone I wonder?

[Mr_Parker]

Would put my house on Healy not going to Dundalk.