Shamrock Rovers entering a team in Div 1 next season [Archive] - Page 3

Nah Nah Nah Nah

24/12/2019, 7:04 AM

was that in the 88-89 season when we were ahead of ye? We werent no great shapes either that period as was in same boat too.

Would have been around then alright

Martinho II

24/12/2019, 11:18 AM

Would have been around then alright

Yeah 2015 season was the only occasion we finished above ye in the same division.

exiled_gufc_fan

31/12/2019, 1:56 PM

Statement from First Division Clubs

https://www.instagram.com/p/B6vZP_qprW3/?igshid=19b8nasmvv3so

Poor Student

31/12/2019, 2:08 PM

Statement from First Division Clubs

https://www.instagram.com/p/B6vZP_qprW3/?igshid=19b8nasmvv3so

How can it be concurrently rationalised that B teams affect the sporting integrity of the LOI but not the LSL?

Interesting that the clubs want four rounds of fixtures as opposed to three. If the clubs are in agreement is there any reason the league would reject it?

EatYerGreens

31/12/2019, 3:37 PM

How can it be concurrently rationalised that B teams affect the sporting integrity of the LOI but not the LSL?

Interesting that the clubs want four rounds of fixtures as opposed to three. If the clubs are in agreement is there any reason the league would reject it?

Because clubs in the LSL have no higher level to aspire to. Clubs in the LOI First Division do.

sbgawa

31/12/2019, 4:01 PM

4 rounds of games is 36 games before 4 playoff games and cups.
The genius behind this statement wants 10 rounds of midweek fixtures for part time players.

pineapple stu

31/12/2019, 4:01 PM

Because clubs in the LSL have no higher level to aspire to. Clubs in the LOI First Division do.
I suppose it's more technically accurate to say that LSL clubs don't aspire to any higher standard, whereas First Division clubs do.

LSL clubs can step up to the First Division, but don't want to.

Ezeikial

31/12/2019, 4:14 PM

How can it be concurrently rationalised that B teams affect the sporting integrity of the LOI but not the LSL?

The statement addressed the sporting integrity issue only in relation to the League of Ireland.

Poor Student

31/12/2019, 4:26 PM

The statement addressed the sporting integrity issue only in relation to the League of Ireland.

I appreciate that, just thought it was a tad contradictory.

pineapple stu

31/12/2019, 4:36 PM

4 rounds of games is 36 games before 4 playoff games and cups.
The genius behind this statement wants 10 rounds of midweek fixtures for part time players.
It's only 32 games with 9 teams (albeit over the same number of matchdays)

The alternative is a 24-game season, which is daft.

My reading of the statement is that this be a one-off four-round FD to avoid dropping to 24 games, and if Limerick came back in 2021, 27 games would still be preferred. Could be wrong in that obviously

sbgawa

31/12/2019, 4:46 PM

Sorry u are right 32 games but with 1 team idle every week it still means lots of midweek games.
I've yet to see one decent reason bar begrudgery to prevent rovers or any other team entering b teams just like in other European leagues.

Martinho II

31/12/2019, 5:14 PM

Fair play to the first division clubs for their stance but why did they not do this in 2014 season? I dont get this logic!

pineapple stu

31/12/2019, 5:22 PM

Presume it's one of two reasons - 1) Delaney is gone and people can (and will) give out more about things, or 2) they didn't like how things went the last time Rovers B were in the league for whatever reason, and have now decided that they don't want it to happen again.

sbgawa

31/12/2019, 6:11 PM

The biggest complainers about it are Cabo limericks and athlone, if these clubs are setting the agenda for the league we are all in big trouble

pineapple stu

31/12/2019, 6:18 PM

Do Limerick have a say?

I could understand them being opposed to it in general obviously - the unfortunate question at the moment is, who would have that say?

sbgawa

31/12/2019, 7:08 PM

According to the journos pat o Sullivan was vocal at the fai AGM.

Nesta99

31/12/2019, 7:37 PM

So from a blanket ban on anyone speaking at AGMs to someone who represents a club that no longer exists speaking out against a team joining the league to replace them!?

Calcio Jack

31/12/2019, 8:16 PM

Not a surprise or any need for a complicated explanation , just the usual small minded peasant attitude and begrudery that has always existed towards Rovers from the Giles era and beyond.... comforting to know as we move into 2020 that we still can count on their consistent attempts to deflect from their own ineptitude and failure..... pity they don�t try to better themselves rather than trying to drag down their betters ..... bah humbug to the lot of them

Ezeikial

31/12/2019, 9:42 PM

It's refreshing to witness the attempts to understand the root cause of the unanimous objections by all nine first division clubs

sbgawa

31/12/2019, 11:21 PM

Nesta99

31/12/2019, 11:32 PM

Not a surprise or any need for a complicated explanation , just the usual small minded peasant attitude and begrudery that has always existed towards Rovers from the Giles era and beyond.... comforting to know as we move into 2020 that we still can count on their consistent attempts to deflect from their own ineptitude and failure..... pity they don’t try to better themselves rather than trying to drag down their betters ..... bah humbug to the lot of them

Dont forget to hang the Gone Fishing sign up on the front door CJ.

Nesta99

31/12/2019, 11:36 PM

I'd question the unanimity considering Galway and drogs voted in favour at the nlec meeting.
Looks like a majority decision to me that was presented as a united front. Fair enough that's the way it go's in these things.
But if the lowest elements of the first division get to dictate policy we are looking at a levelling down.

One man one vote and all that surely? Would be great if league position dictated weighting of a vote, i'd be all for that! Even better if they aggregated weightng over say a 5 or 10 year period...

sbgawa

31/12/2019, 11:53 PM

No problem with one man one vote. On that basis all should be fine, only so many small minds.

Nesta99

01/01/2020, 3:41 PM

The statement released was unanimous at least. I'm presuming though that 1st Division clubs had a vote and then majority becomes policy for all? It could become messy very quickly if there wasnt a united front after a vote but at the same time I do think that the result of a vote should be made known if not unanimous. In a very small league like with 9 teams it woulnt be too hard to have a voting block that could make life very difficult.

EatYerGreens

01/01/2020, 11:25 PM

I suppose it's more technically accurate to say that LSL clubs don't aspire to any higher standard, whereas First Division clubs do.

LSL clubs can step up to the First Division, but don't want to.

I take your point, but there is no automatic route of progression from the LSL to the LOI. Teams from there can only step up if there is an opening and they get a license, even if they wanted to go up (which they clearly don't). Whereas - in the absence of relegation from it, the First Division is entirely about progression to the next level. Every year.

pineapple stu

02/01/2020, 12:03 PM

True - though there's been expressions of interest sought a number of years and nothing doing.

I agree with what you're saying of course; this is just semantics really. Don't blame any club for not wanting to jump up into the First Division either.

CraftyToePoke

02/01/2020, 2:44 PM

According to the journos pat o Sullivan was vocal at the fai AGM.

The same PO'S who was one of the very few who voiced public support while Delaney was staggering but still upright ? :)
He's a gas man.

NeverFeltBetter

02/01/2020, 3:01 PM

Also vocal giving out to players from the stands for lack of effort on weeks they weren't paid. Not sure why he bothered going to the AGM, it will be nothing to do with him soon enough.

placid casual

07/01/2020, 7:28 AM

Looks like it's going ahead anyway, with a Rovers B team making up the numbers in the first division.

Mr A

07/01/2020, 9:05 AM

The idea that Rovers B would get in when the division 1 clubs are unanimously against it is absolutely abhorrent to be perfectly honest.

dundalkfc10

07/01/2020, 10:14 AM

Looks like it's going ahead anyway, with a Rovers B team making up the numbers in the first division.

According to Jamie Moore on offtheball over the weekend, its going ahead with 9 teams

EatYerGreens

07/01/2020, 10:45 AM

The League of Ireland is beocming the living embodiment of Groucho Marx's famous quote.

We only want those who don't want in to join.

Nesta99

07/01/2020, 11:38 AM

The idea that Rovers B would get in when the division 1 clubs are unanimously against it is absolutely abhorrent to be perfectly honest.

How unanimous really though? Yup I get that there is likely an agreement that a majority vote becomes a united stance but if it was 5-4 then I can see how the decision could be railroaded through irrespective of the 'united' policy. There is the possibility of some clubs being more equal than others as unfair as that would be, and very much of 'Old FAI', it could be a reality!? i've just had one of those awful flashbacks to being an ignored 1st Division club so I agree, based on Dundalk's experience alone, it's an awful way to administer a division irrespective of whether I myself think 'B' teams should/could feature in lower tiers.

DCWA

07/01/2020, 3:00 PM

If there was truely unanimous opposition to it then surely the clubs hold all the power, If the FAI were going to ignore the clubs and put Rovers B in anyway then would the 1st division clubs not then make it clear that they will all refuse to fulfil fixtures against Rovers ?

Which would make the thing such a massive sh1tshow that there would be no other option than to scrap it.

Martinho II

07/01/2020, 3:16 PM

Nesta99

07/01/2020, 3:36 PM

From my understanding of it even if the first division clubs are all opposed its going to be carried as theres I think a NLEC which consists of seven loi clubs-two of them in the first so the first division will be outnumbered altogether. There was a very good piece by Aidan Fitzmaurice today regarding this!

Online anywhere?

*nevermind link here https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/rovers-to-get-go-ahead-for-b-team-in-first-division-38839860.html

Longfordian

07/01/2020, 3:51 PM

Personally I didn't care too much last time they were in it and don't really care now. Obviously it's far from the ideal solution but as everyone has said already there is no queue of teams looking to join.

Trainee

07/01/2020, 10:09 PM

1st division clubs considering legal action or possibly of all clubs agreeing not to play fixtures against rovers B

Nesta99

07/01/2020, 11:13 PM

1st division clubs considering legal action or possibly of all clubs agreeing not to play fixtures against rovers B

Well its not preseason without some LoI drama! and we thought we'd be waiting for licencing day to kick some life in to a new season.

dundalkfc10

08/01/2020, 8:44 AM

1st division clubs considering legal action or possibly of all clubs agreeing not to play fixtures against rovers B

If Rovers are not made have 2 Seperate Squads, where players can only move during transfer windows, Im hearing Dundalk will be taking it further aswell, as it would clearly be an unfair advantage

sbgawa

08/01/2020, 9:12 AM

NeverFeltBetter

08/01/2020, 9:18 AM

Don't really see what the problem is. If the clubs are happy with a nine team league, let them off.

disgruntled

08/01/2020, 9:57 AM

B teams don't seem to be a problem in Europe so why not here ?
This is the same type of bullshi* that Cork City faced when they tried to enter a team in the Munster (Cork) Senior League some years ago.
Met all the criteria but the MSL controlled by the clubs refused City entry.
Fortunately this time the clubs don't control the the 1st div.
I wish all LOI clubs could field B teams.

Mr A

08/01/2020, 10:08 AM

When the ten team league was voted on (and it was ridiculously non transparent and sounded as dodgy as hell) the first division clubs did not get a vote.

Now they have expressed their views on the running of their own division and been ignored. This is beyond farcical. More power to the first division clubs in resisting this, they have been treated with contempt. I'd like to see a bit of transparency around yesterday- who voted what way and why. Nothing is going to improve in Irish Football until there is accountability and transparency around decisions.

sbgawa

08/01/2020, 10:33 AM

Its not "their" division.
It is the first division of the League of Ireland and is subject to the rules put in place for the running of the division.
If 3 or 4 of the 9 teams are against some other issue in the future do they get to throw their toys out of the pram?
There is a reason the FAI (or FAI nua) are running the league , its because the clubs couldn't because of exactly this kind of BS from a handful of clubs who have decided they don't like something and are brow beating others into supporting them "unanimously".

dundalkfc10

08/01/2020, 11:27 AM

Poor Dundalk with their wafer thin squad.
Something should be done about that for sure. lol

I would have more respect for the people running Dundalk then to expect that type of BS from them.
No chance that is true

Why wouldnt it be true.

Why should Rovers be allowed play players who never made the squad for Friday night in the B teams game in the 1st division that weekend, and then back to play A team when they find form etc....

Its unfair on every club, including Dundalk.

It should be 2 separate squads or nothing

P.S Rovers squad is bigger than Dundalks!

Mr A

08/01/2020, 1:35 PM

dundalkfc10

08/01/2020, 2:03 PM

Yes, it's the clubs that didn't get a vote on the change in structure of the league, and that didn't get a say in another change to their division that are doing the brow beating here.

Yes the new and improved FAI :quiet:

Dalymountrower

08/01/2020, 2:17 PM

Why wouldnt it be true.

Why should Rovers be allowed play players who never made the squad for Friday night in the B teams game in the 1st division that weekend, and then back to play A team when they find form etc....

Its unfair on every club, including Dundalk.

It should be 2 separate squads or nothing

P.S Rovers squad is bigger than Dundalks!

More games to prepare for, more drug testing, more travel costs. The last time Rovers played in the first division it was, at best , a costly non -event. Will more than likely be more of the same next season. Can`t understand the faux outrage over this.

sbgawa

08/01/2020, 2:59 PM

Why wouldnt it be true.

Why should Rovers be allowed play players who never made the squad for Friday night in the B teams game in the 1st division that weekend, and then back to play A team when they find form etc....

Its unfair on every club, including Dundalk.

It should be 2 separate squads or nothing

P.S Rovers squad is bigger than Dundalks!

Because the People who run Dundalk are not small minded begrudge-rs
Every club can apply to enter a B team if they like
Max 3 players allowed drop down.
Yes thats right everyone knows Dundalks squad is way weaker than Rovers and everyone else.
This is not about the squad , it is about giving the Academy players a further development path.