Caoimhín Kelleher GK Brentford b.1998

[seanfhear]

When hes 25. Liverpool wont be risking a loan move they'll sell when his stock is high. Cant see him there in 2 years time.
Has anyone ever paid huge money for a goalkeeper that has played as few as games as Kelleher ?

[Crosby87]

Has anyone ever paid huge money for a goalkeeper that has played as few as games as Kelleher ?

Not even Joe Hart

[seanfhear]

Not even Joe Hart
I can’t remember if anyone paid that much for him after so few games ~ ~ He certainly didn’t turn out to be as good as some expected anyway.

[Jd2793]

Has anyone ever paid huge money for a goalkeeper that has played as few as games as Kelleher ?

leicester paid 14 mil for danny ward he played 3 games for liverpool. CK has homegrown status too will add a few mil to a fee.

[seanfhear]

leicester paid 14 mil for danny ward he played 3 games for liverpool. CK has homegrown status too will add a few mil to a fee.
14 Mil is a lot for Danny Ward ~ Leicester must have a lot of money.

[sadloserkid]

I can’t remember if anyone paid that much for him after so few games ~ ~ He certainly didn’t turn out to be as good as some expected anyway.

I'd say Man City feel he was worth every cent of the £100k they paid Shrewsbury for him. He did have 50+ league appearances at that stage too for whatever that adds to the debate. :)

[Stuttgart88]

Has anyone ever paid huge money for a goalkeeper that has played as few as games as Kelleher ?
Not quite the same but Villa paid 20 million for Emi Martinez. Martinez’ career path offers encouragement for Kelleher. I’d like Kelleher to get his big break earlier but Martinez shows that being a patient number 2 can be a viable career path.

[elatedscum]

14 Mil is a lot for Danny Ward ~ Leicester must have a lot of money.

The belief was that Kasper Schmichael (spelling?) and we going to Chelsea to replace Courtois - wages were agreed and fee was close to agreed. They pre-emptively bought Ward to be their number 1. Then Chelsea u-turned and bought Kepa instead for a world record fee, which meant Schmichael stayed.

Ward is of course Wales’ number 1.

[mypost]

He needs to face more shots, more crosses, more one-on-ones in a competitive situation, to become a better all-round keeper. There's nothing better than games at this point of a young player's career to accelerate their development and Kelleher's only played 19 for club and country. Travers and Bazunu have quickly racked up over 70 each and are both far more consistent than they were after their respective 19th games. Kelleher's doing very well with the time he's being given and I am certainly OK with him playing internationally but I reckon he needs to get to at least 50 appearances under his belt to start to fully reach his potential and right now he's crawling towards that.

What keepers want is clean sheets, not more shots. At least in matches.

Kelleher has excelled in every performance for Liverpool, often the man of the match. And that's a massive achievement with the team mates he has and the level he's playing at. He's played 2 games for Ireland and hasn't conceded a goal yet either. If Klopp thinks he's the best No
2 in the world, the least he deserves is the chance to make the No. 1 spot his, for Ireland.

[tommy_c12000]

Extremely talented keeper. But as we’ve been saying for years now, he needs a solid season of senior football under his belt. As I said 12 months ago, he needs to be ballsy (like Bazunu) and push for a move away from Anfield this summer, (I think I mentioned “a broken record” the last time, it’s just getting old now). Liverpool are being selfish (and self serving) and don’t have his best interests at heart. It’s up to Caoimhin to push for it. He’s firmly number 3 for me since Travers began to start regularly for Bournemouth. We can’t have a keep with only 4 senior league appearances be number 1 for our country.

[liamoo11]

Extremely talented keeper. But as we’ve been saying for years now, he needs a solid season of senior football under his belt. As I said 12 months ago, he needs to be ballsy (like Bazunu) and push for a move away from Anfield this summer, (I think I mentioned “a broken record” the last time, it’s just getting old now). Liverpool are being selfish (and self serving) and don’t have his best interests at heart. It’s up to Caoimhin to push for it. He’s firmly number 3 for me since Travers began to start regularly for Bournemouth. We can’t have a keep with only 4 senior league appearances be number 1 for our country.

Kelleher has played in a cup final at Wembley , champions league and league games for a top 2 side in England and been excellent with widespread praise from observers in the UK and Liverpool fans but strangely only begrudging acknowledgement from many foot.ie posters. I would love if there were a few more players in our squad who might be of that quality to be able to do the same at some stage of their careers.

[seanfhear]

Extremely talented keeper. But as we’ve been saying for years now, he needs a solid season of senior football under his belt. As I said 12 months ago, he needs to be ballsy (like Bazunu) and push for a move away from Anfield this summer, (I think I mentioned “a broken record” the last time, it’s just getting old now). Liverpool are being selfish (and self serving) and don’t have his best interests at heart. It’s up to Caoimhin to push for it. He’s firmly number 3 for me since Travers began to start regularly for Bournemouth. We can’t have a keep with only 4 senior league appearances be number 1 for our country.
He needs to making a big start on the 100 Professional games ~ ~ who ever heard of a top goal-keeper that had played only a few professional games ~ ~ Tis time too be pee-ing on the pottys.

[sadloserkid]

He needs to making a big start on the 100 Professional games ~ ~ who ever heard of a top goal-keeper that had played only a few professional games ~ ~ Tis time too be pee-ing on the pottys.

Exactly this. If (and I stress if) we're in a situation next season where, potentially, Travers and Bazunu are both playing regularly in the Premier League and Kelleher is content with the odd League Cup tie and crossing his fingers Allison comes down with a bad flu I can't see how there's any case to be made for Kelleher having any claim on Ireland's number one shirt. He'll be 24 in November and also has 24 senior games under his belt (if you include 1 for Liverpool's stiffs in the Papa Johns), he's at the stage now where I can't see any downside from a loan move. If he's as good as Klopp says that loan would inevitably be at a very high level anyway and surely a recall clause could protect Liverpool's interest too in case of disaster. If Liverpool have any pretence at him being a genuine contender to replace Allison and not just a handy backup surely they'd want him to get a run of games too?

[seanfhear]

Exactly this. If (and I stress if) we're in a situation next season where, potentially, Travers and Bazunu are both playing regularly in the Premier League and Kelleher is content with the odd League Cup tie and crossing his fingers Allison comes down with a bad flu I can't see how there's any case to be made for Kelleher having any claim on Ireland's number one shirt. He'll be 24 in November and also has 24 senior games under his belt (if you include 1 for Liverpool's stiffs in the Papa Johns), he's at the stage now where I can't see any downside from a loan move. If he's as good as Klopp says that loan would inevitably be at a very high level anyway and surely a recall clause could protect Liverpool's interest too in case of disaster. If Liverpool have any pretence at him being a genuine contender to replace Allison and not just a handy backup surely they'd want him to get a run of games too?
A 24 year old with just that many games as first choice for the Republic of Ireland when you consider what the other two alternatives have done up to this stage = = It doesn’t make any sense = = Ok things may change but it doesn’t make any sense at the moment anyway.

[Trequartista20]

Expected to stay at Liverpool next season:

https://www.liverpool.com/liverpool-fc-news/transfer-news/liverpool-transfer-klopp-man-city-24294834

[elatedscum]

Another game he would have started missed due to injury:

“Yeah, Caoimh felt something after the international game and everybody, the medical department there, told him it’s fine and will be good after holiday,” Klopp said.
“He came back and first training [session] felt it again. We checked it and it was not good so I think Caoimh will be another two, three weeks and then he should be fine.

[ontheotherhand]

He picks up a lot of injuries for goalkeeper who doesn't play very often. Is it the same injury recurring or is he just unlucky enough to be picking up random stuff at unfortunate times?

[elatedscum]

He picks up a lot of injuries for goalkeeper who doesn't play very often. Is it the same injury recurring or is he just unlucky enough to be picking up random stuff at unfortunate times?

it seems like it's incredibly badly timed. like he'll be healthy for 4 months when alisson is fit and then the moment alisson picks up a knock, he does too. same in an ireland shirt, his injury was what gave bazunu and opportunity back at the start of the campaign

[ontheotherhand]

it seems like it's incredibly badly timed. like he'll be healthy for 4 months when alisson is fit and then the moment alisson picks up a knock, he does too. same in an ireland shirt, his injury was what gave bazunu and opportunity back at the start of the campaign

Yeah he's had no luck. Strange for a keeper to pick up so many injuries though. Is it happening during training? I wonder is he still playing outfield a bit. I'm sure Liverpool wouldn't be risking that if there was a chance of injury but I'm still struggling to see how he's injured so often in his position.

[seanfhear]

Do Liverpool sublet him out to do Door-Work ?

I seem to remember Kirkwood having fierce injury problems while at Liverpool as well. Is there any scouse detective that could look in to this ?

[Demesne Lad]

Kelleher was pictured in training on Thursday, ahead of the visit of Brighton. Klopp revealed that Kelleher would not be in the squad at Anfield, with a start for the Liverpool under-21s pencilled in instead. (Thisisanfield.com, 1 Oct). The Arsenal U-21s are 1-0 up after an hour.

[tetsujin1979]

Back in the Liverpool senior squad for their Champions League tie last night, as an unused substitute

[ontheotherhand]

Undefeated in penalty shootouts! Sounds like he had a good game or at least a very good shootout. Anyone watching?

[joey B]

Had very little to do in an awful game,made 1 really good save in the shootout,really needs to go and play somewhere though,it wont be at Liverpool I feel.........

[third policeman]

Had very little to do in an awful game,made 1 really good save in the shootout,really needs to go and play somewhere though,it wont be at Liverpool I feel.........

Had very little to do? Saved three penalties and the consensus is they were all excellent saves. Yeah it would be great if he played more, but his performances for us and Liverpool have been consistent. He looks assured, excellent with his feet and radiates calm.

[ontheotherhand]

Peno saves are here - https://twitter.com/ChiesaLFC/status/1590470366056828929

Top class.

[tommy_c12000]

Nothing to do in normal time. Superb performance in the penalties. Needs a loan or Bazunu-like move in January. Needs to be bold and demand it

[Jd2793]

the first two were good saves but wow, that third one was world class.

[mypost]

If it's a straight choice between big nights out at the Bernabeu next year or big nights out at Burnley, it really shouldn't take too long for him to make a decision.

[seanfhear]

If it's a straight choice between big nights out at the Bernabeu next year or big nights out at Burnley, it really shouldn't take too long for him to make a decision.
Yeah ~ ~ Burnley every time.

[seanfhear]

Peno saves are here - https://twitter.com/ChiesaLFC/status/1590470366056828929

Top class.
Is it because I can see it better but the second save looks a great save to me ~ ~ All three were good.

[ontheotherhand]

If it's a straight choice between big nights out at the Bernabeu next year or big nights out at Burnley, it really shouldn't take too long for him to make a decision.

Are Real in for him and making him first choice?

[ColourfulPeanut]

If it's a straight choice between big nights out at the Bernabeu next year or big nights out at Burnley, it really shouldn't take too long for him to make a decision.
He'll have a cracking view from the bench to be fair and he'll be able to soak the atmosphere in warming Alisson up too, easy decision!

Lad needs to move and move now. His career is passing him by and it's frustrating to watch.

[Jd2793]

He'll have a cracking view from the bench to be fair and he'll be able to soak the atmosphere in warming Alisson up too, easy decision!

Lad needs to move and move now. His career is passing him by and it's frustrating to watch.

hes 24 relax.

[tetsujin1979]

hes 24 relax.

he's about a quarter of the way through his career*, he still hasn't reached double figures in league appearances, and almost half his career apperances have come in the league cup (8 of 19)
Nobody is panicing yet, but he unless Alisson gets injured or sold, he really does need to move for first team football

*assuming a career starts at 20, and ends with retirement at 36 = 16 year career, Kelleher is four years into it

[Jd2793]

he's about a quarter of the way through his career*, he still hasn't reached double figures in league appearances, and almost half his career apperances have come in the league cup (8 of 19)
Nobody is panicing yet, but he unless Alisson gets injured or sold, he really does need to move for first team football

*assuming a career starts at 20, and ends with retirement at 36 = 16 year career, Kelleher is four years into it


he should move in the summer but i think the decision hes made to stay put until now is a good one. Liverpool have done an amazing job at developing him IMO so im not really sure i can question the lack of loans etc. CK has only been a keeper since u15s , he clearly needed to catch up on a lot from a development pov .He wont knock Alisson off the no1 spot so i think a move over the summer is a must. Hes spent 3 years developing in one of the best environments in world football. Pretty unique whatever way you look at it.

[Jd2793]

with any luck a team like leicester finds some investors and comes in for him as their no1 now is shocking.

[third policeman]

he should move in the summer but i think the decision hes made to stay put until now is a good one. Liverpool have done an amazing job at developing him IMO so im not really sure i can question the lack of loans etc. CK has only been a keeper since u15s , he clearly needed to catch up on a lot from a development pov .He wont knock Alisson off the no1 spot so i think a move over the summer is a must. Hes spent 3 years developing in one of the best environments in world football. Pretty unique whatever way you look at it.


Spot on piece of analysis there. His performances, reliability and confidence seem to validate the career path he has chosen. I'd agree next year would be the time to move on.

[ontheotherhand]

Not sure on that. All we are seeing are occasional glimpses of the results of the path he chose. We won't know how good he could have been with more games under his belt. We still don't know if he can handle being a number one. He gets injured in training so how's he going to be over a season? How will he cope with the ups and downs etc? He's been great in shootouts and looks good with the ball at his feet. That's about all we can say at this stage.

Although I've said this before, I do like the argument that he's a unique case who is further behind in terms of readiness for senior football who may have benefitted from the slow exposure.

Either way, it sounds like we all agree he should go at this stage.

I hope he starts one of the friendlies at least. Definitely deserves it with Bazunu not looking completely confident at the moment.

[third policeman]

Only time will tell, but with no disrespect to Bazunu who is a bit of a prodigy and an incredible athlete, I'd put money on Kelleher winning more caps. Liverpool are manufacturing an exceptional keeper. It may well be another club who benefit from their investment. City outsourced Bazunu's development and it appears that there are still frailties and gaps in his development. He's learning and making mistakes in the full glare of the PL and that's not easy.

[ontheotherhand]

Only time will tell, but with no disrespect to Bazunu who is a bit of a prodigy and an incredible athlete, I'd put money on Kelleher winning more caps. Liverpool are manufacturing an exceptional keeper. It may well be another club who benefit from their investment. City outsourced Bazunu's development and it appears that there are still frailties and gaps in his development. He's learning and making mistakes in the full glare of the PL and that's not easy.

If only the two of them were exactly the same in every other way we'd have an experiment cooking that would prove one of us right! We need a control version of each.

I'd have liked Bazunu to go to the Championship first I think but we'll see. The more he plays the more he learns.

Still think last man back should be explored for Ireland.

[JR89]

I'd have liked Bazunu to go to the Championship first I think but we'll see. The more he plays the more he learns.

His options this season were probably sign a new contract and remain at City as a back up option or sign with Southampton. Has always said he doesn't want to be sitting on the bench and would rather play.

[nigel-harps1954]

If only the two of them were exactly the same in every other way we'd have an experiment cooking that would prove one of us right! We need a control version of each.

I'd have liked Bazunu to go to the Championship first I think but we'll see. The more he plays the more he learns.

Still think last man back should be explored for Ireland.

Sure Bazunu will probably get a year in the Championship next season anyway

[ontheotherhand]

His options this season were probably sign a new contract and remain at City as a back up option or sign with Southampton. Has always said he doesn't want to be sitting on the bench and would rather play.

Yeah those were the two options we learned about but I'm just saying he might have been better going to a Championship club on loan or otherwise to adjust to that level instead of skipping it entirely. I've no idea if one was interested or whether the price tag would have been an obstacle of course.

[irishfan86]

At the price tag Southampton paid, I doubt any Championship teams would have gone in for Bazunu. Sure the environment may be a bit overwhelming but maybe with a new manager they can grind out premier league survival. Regardless of what happens, I have confidence Bazunu will be fine in the long term. For whatever reason I suspect Kelleher will be sold for far less money than Bazunu -- perhaps the Ireland No. 1 tag helped with that bigger pay day for City.

[NeverFeltBetter]

Briefly out on loan to the Late Late Toy Show tonight, making some young lads year.

[ontheotherhand]

Bazunu must have been injured.

[tetsujin1979]

Briefly out on loan to the Late Late Toy Show tonight, making some young lads year.
Conceded to a kid wearing a blindfold.
Can't see him starting against France

[ontheotherhand]

Look, at least he's out there making the mistakes. He'll learn and grow from this. It's a gift really.

[SkStu]

Conceded to a kid wearing a blindfold.
Can't see him starting against France

He clearly needs first team football.