Caoimhín Kelleher GK Brentford b.1998

[Eirambler]

Ah I know you weren't saying that, I don't think anyone would realistically think that. At the same time I don't see Klopp as being any more likely to throw Kelleher in for a later stage champions League game or really rotating the jersey at all from here on in either, unless they have a two leg tie wrapped up after the first leg or something like that.

I suppose the only benefit to Kelleher might be that, if Alisson is injured or ill again, Klopp might not rush him back as quickly as he seemed to for tonight's game. Alisson did look really out of sorts tonight, but I don't know if that was to do with whatever illness he had during the week or not.

[Diggs246]

I believe Allison had another mare today

[Eirambler]

Awful howler for one of the goals alright. Did make an excellent double save a couple of minutes later but he looks low on confidence at the moment.

[Diggs246]

Actually adrian was back up keeper today

[elatedscum]

Actually adrian was back up keeper today

Kelleher is injured

[Olé Olé]

Actually adrian was back up keeper today
Did you really think Kelleher had been dropped to third choice?

[Diggs246]

Did you really think Kelleher had been dropped to third choice?
I just didnt know he was injured

[elatedscum]

Alisson’s father tragically drowned last night. If he were to go home for the funeral, he’d likely miss at least 4 games with 2 weeks quarantine including Chelsea and Leipzig. Obviously when something like this happens, football doesn’t matters but you’d imagine Kelleher will be asked to cover

[Diggs246]

Jayus

[Eirambler]

Jeez. That's just awful for him.

I know of people based in the UK who have lost parents in Ireland recently and have not been able to travel over for the funeral, so possibly it might be difficult for Alisson to travel to Brazil in the circumstances. I'm sure the club will support him either way, some people need time off in these situations, others use their work as a focus to keep their mind busy.

[seanfhear]

Alisson’s father tragically drowned last night. If he were to go home for the funeral, he’d likely miss at least 4 games with 2 weeks quarantine including Chelsea and Leipzig. Obviously when something like this happens, football doesn’t matters but you’d imagine Kelleher will be asked to cover
RIP. What else can ya say ?

[Diggs246]

Jeez. That's just awful for him.

I know of people based in the UK who have lost parents in Ireland recently and have not been able to travel over for the funeral, so possibly it might be difficult for Alisson to travel to Brazil in the circumstances. I'm sure the club will support him either way, some people need time off in these situations, others use their work as a focus to keep their mind busy.

I remember when robbie dad died and he played a game for us anyway. Kerr said it was one of his biggest regrets playing him that day

[Trequartista20]

Hmm. I dunno... I'm not sure how seemly it is really to be looking at this from an advantageous, Kelleher point-of-view given the circumstances, in my view.

[irishfan86]

Hmm. I dunno... I'm not sure how seemly it is really to be looking at this from an advantageous, Kelleher point-of-view given the circumstances, in my view.

I think it’s reasonable to post here about the possibility this could result in playing time for Kelleher. Nobody here has expressed glee about the situation.

[seanfhear]

I think it’s reasonable to post here about the possibility this could result in playing time for Kelleher. Nobody here has expressed glee about the situation.
The poster may mean the Liverpool situation.

[irishfan86]

I am too. I don’t think it’s inappropriate for posters to suggest that this unfortunate death could result in Kelleher getting game time. I view it more as giving everyone a heads up that Kelleher could get a game this weekend, in case we want to watch. Hypothetical sure but nobody is thrilled about the death or has even moderately expressed that sentiment.

[Trequartista20]

Fair enough. I didn't mean to suggest anyone would be derive pleasure from the news.

[Colbert Report]

Adrian gets the start, Kelleher not on the bench, but Northern Ireland u-21 goalkeeper Liam Hughes serves as the back-up goalkeeper for Liverpool today.

[Olé Olé]

Assume Kelleher is injured so?

[Colbert Report]

I'm not sure, but I'm thinking he must be. Liverpool were apparently keen to sign Kelleher to a contract extension two weeks ago.

[Trequartista20]

Liverpool have no intention of sending Caoimhin Kelleher out on loan:

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfer-stance-caoimhin-kelleher-20774553

[ColourfulPeanut]

Sitting on the bench for the year playing cup ties or dead rubber CL group games will do his development absolutely no good.

[Olé Olé]

Liverpool have no intention of sending Caoimhin Kelleher out on loan:

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfer-stance-caoimhin-kelleher-20774553

The worst part about that article for me is that they have offered Adrian a deal to stay too. Now, I would assume that Kelleher is the number two there, based on the fact that he was before he got the abdomen injury, but if Alisson is playing every game and doesn't get injured then he may as well be third choice than second. I would love for Kelleher to get a season EDIT: out on loan but he did so well when Alisson was out injured last season that it is hard to blame Klopp for managing that risk by keeping Kelleher around but it might not be the best thing for Kelleher's development.. or maybe it is?

[ColourfulPeanut]

Allison is only 28 and arguably the best keeper in the world, while Caoimhin is 22 going on 23 this year. His long term career is almost certainly away from Liverpool. The argument of developing there is valid, but there's only so much he can learn firing balls at Allison in the warm-up at Anfield. He needs to play sooner rather than later.

[passinginterest]

I'd be hopeful that if Adrian does sign the contract the option to let Kelleher out on loan will be a real one again. Presumably until they're sure of another back up option they don't want to commit to letting him go. A new contract before he's allowed to go on loan makes sense for Liverpool too, because if he has a brilliant loan and is under a long term contract his transfer value rockets. Hopefully he looks for a clause in the contract that lets him go on loan too. If he's not playing then you'd have to think there's no chance of a start for us in September. Bazunu looks like the only keeper who is almost certain to be starting for his loan club when the new season starts, Randolph very unlikely to be anywhere other than a bench and similar story for most of our other keepers.

[seanfhear]

You’d believe that a Loan Move would be best for Kelleher ~ ~ But Liverpool are doing what they think is best for them.

At 23 this year, Kelleher needs to be playing games. Hopefully something changes and he gets to play games.

[paul_oshea]

There seems to be an new acceptance of youth, or young players. 25 seems to be acceptable as young still, for me they need to be hitting their peak shortly after then. top flight career is short enough as it is.

You see it with the English players, hitting their stride realising their potential early 20s. Not sure where thats changed a long the way here.

[Razors left peg]

There seems to be an new acceptance of youth, or young players. 25 seems to be acceptable as young still, for me they need to be hitting their peak shortly after then. top flight career is short enough as it is.

You see it with the English players, hitting their stride realising their potential early 20s. Not sure where thats changed a long the way here.

Id agree, at 23 you cant play the young player card. You need to be playing 1st team football. If Kelleher is as good as we think he might be then there should be some bottom half Premiership clubs interested in taking him on loan. Similar situation to Henderson and DeGea at United. Henderson was great at Sheffield United and then went back to United to challenge for the keeper spot. United I believe made a business decision that Henderson would be cheaper to keep than DeGea and there wasnt much between them. That may happen at Liverpool but Kelleher needs a year or 2 of 1st team football to prove himself first.

[SkStu]

I agree with the sentiment but it would be more likely in a loan to the Championship v Premier League and, even then, there is a risk that a year (or two) of first team football wouldn't be a guarantee (or even guarantee-able) as part of the loan. It appears to me that GKs seem to very rarely go on loan to become a first choice keeper unless it is further down the leagues. But i could be wrong.

[Razors left peg]

Yeah I wouldnt be surprised if it was Championship, but I would think there are a number of clubs who could do with an upgrade at keeper even in the short term of 1 season.

Kelleher is relatively high profile given that hes played Champions League games for Liverpool so I would think he could get a decent move

[Olé Olé]

And played them well, very well...

[Razors left peg]

And played them well, very well...

Hes a lot better than I thought he was a year ago, still think hes a bit small but he looks excellent

[paul_oshea]

Trying to display the image but can't store so my reply might not make sense
https://m.sundayworld.com/sport/soccer/ireland-keepers-catch-the-eye-as-stephen-kennys-side-draw-in-hungary-40518355.html

Small you say(kelleher)?

[Olé Olé]

Hes a lot better than I thought he was a year ago, still think hes a bit small but he looks excellent

I think he should go out on loan. But just to play devil's advocate, he has definitely improved a lot in the last year. If you compare his 20/21 performances for Liverpool to those in 19/20 in the EFL and FA cups, he improved significantly. He showed similar levels of improvement for Ireland, looking better against Hungary than he did in some of his under 21 games.

Could he be improving enough at Liverpool for now? Goalkeepers have a long career. Could he improve plenty at Liverpool this season again and would that be best for him? Or, as Ireland supporters, are we the selfish ones (not Klopp) that want him to get into a Championship team or top flight European side and establish himself as our number one in doing so?

Just asking the questions. I still think I'd rather he move on for a season on loan. Also, there are questions on him under the high ball that haven't been answered in his recent games for Ireland and Liverpool that are, for me, helpful in mapping his improvement levels.

[Eirambler]

Both Kelleher and Bazunu are 6 foot 2 inches, which is a fairly good height for a keeper. Anything 6 foot 1 and over is generally fine. Travers is 6 foot 3, Randolph is 6 foot 2, not much between any of them, but you probably notice the extra inch Travers has when it comes to penalty shootouts.

Christy Pym, who is apparently Irish eligible and interested is "only" 6 foot. He'll probably be the smallest keeper in the Championship next season with Peterborough. He's right on the line for what is generally workable for a pro keeper in terms of height.

[paul_oshea]

Both Kelleher and Bazunu are 6 foot 2 inches, which is a fairly good height for a keeper. Anything 6 foot 1 and over is generally fine. Travers is 6 foot 3, Randolph is 6 foot 2, not much between any of them, but you probably notice the extra inch Travers has when it comes to penalty shootouts.



Travers reach you mean is much greater? Does it help him for penos ?

[tetsujin1979]

Given was six foot, but it was usually noted that he was short for a goalkeeper

[seanfhear]

The Old Saying ~ Never fall in love with a small goalkeeper.

[Eirambler]

Travers reach you mean is much greater? Does it help him for penos ?

Travers has an excellent record in shootouts - saved all of the opposition penalties in one a couple of years ago if I remember correctly. I think a lot of goalkeeping is down to positional sense, awareness, reading the game etc, so a smaller keeper can sometimes be better in general play if they have the right attributes. In shootouts though, size is much more important, the more of the goal you can cover the harder it is for the opponent to score.

Travers probably doesn't have quite the same potential as the other two, but he's the kind of player you'd take to a finals tournament as a third keeper and genuinely consider throwing on in the last few minutes if it's looking like going to pens.

Shay was just over 6 foot, not quite 6 foot 1. It didn't stop him from making it at a very high level, but I always felt it stopped him from taking the next step on from Newcastle to a regular Champions League team.

[Strongbow10]

Liverpool will need to sign another keeper along with resigning Adrian if Kelleher is to be loaned out.

Grabara is back from a loan spell in Denmark (he had spent the previous season at Huddersfield), same age as Kelleher but looks like Kelleher has moved above him in the pecking order. Have a feeling Liverpool will sell him though, leaving only Alisson, Kelleher and Adrian as the 3 options. There is no standout option at youth or under 23 level who will make the jump to senior (despite Liverpool having a ridiculous number of keepers on their books).

Adrian is firmly 3rd choice aswell now, when he has filled in for Alisson liverpool have suffered for it.

[paul_oshea]

Travers has an excellent record in shootouts - saved all of the opposition penalties in one a couple of years ago if I remember correctly. I think a lot of goalkeeping is down to positional sense, awareness, reading the game etc, so a smaller keeper can sometimes be better in general play if they have the right attributes. In shootouts though, size is much more important, the more of the goal you can cover the harder it is for the opponent to score.

Ya all fairly logical and sensible. Given was brutal really at penos, what annoyed me was how he talked himself up, a bit like Paddy harrington after 2008.

[Eminence Grise]

The Old Saying ~ Never fall in love with a small goalkeeper.


Better to have loved and lost a short keeper than never to have loved a tall.;)

[seanfhear]

Better to have loved and lost a short keeper than never to have loved a tall.;)
He needs to be gorgeous though !

[tetsujin1979]

New long term contract for Kelleher at Liverpool: https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/436861-caoimhin-kelleher-signs-new-long-term-liverpool-contract#

[Diggs246]

Not to be crass, but what are we talking about here circa 22k a week ?

[passinginterest]

I'd imagine a loan might be back on as an option for him now, considering himself and Adrian have both signed new deals. Hardly any point keeping both of them on the bench, if they really want him to be second choice they can put in a recall clause in the event Alisson gets injured.

[CSAD]

I'd imagine a loan might be back on as an option for him now, considering himself and Adrian have both signed new deals. Hardly any point keeping both of them on the bench, if they really want him to be second choice they can put in a recall clause in the event Alisson gets injured.

He’s not going on loan.

He’s 2nd choice so if anyone is being sent out it’s Adrian.

[Charlie Darwin]

Clubs like Liverpool generally will have three keepers on the go. Unless one of the younger keepers comes back to cover Adrian, Kelleher will be staying put. I'd like to see him get a Premier League loan but doesn't seem too likely.

[Demesne Lad]

Caoimhín declares himself fit to play against Mainz on Friday evening, having recovered from a slight knock (www.liverpoolfc.com 22July)

[Stuttgart88]

Kelleher to start this weekend as Brazilian players are not allowed to play after not being released for international duty.