Caoimhín Kelleher GK Brentford b.1998 [Archive] - Page 22

weldoninhio

06/04/2023, 1:26 PM

NeverFeltBetter

06/04/2023, 2:00 PM

kelleher will get a decent PL move. I think its too much of an obvious one for brentford , they arent the biggest of spenders. still think leicester will shell out for him as the new manager will badly need a "modern" gk who has ability with the ball at his feet.

You know what, reading this he'd probably fit in surprisingly well at Man Utd, who are having issues with just this problem - a manager who wants his keeper to be good playing the ball - and will probably need a new keeper soon. But that would never happen for a variety of reasons.

I think some people are over-estimating his chances of a top tier move here. Far more likely he'll go to a Championship team, unless he's willing to go further afield?

seanfhear

06/04/2023, 3:36 PM

Razors left peg

06/04/2023, 6:43 PM

He'd be better off going to the Championship ~ Where the pressure would not be so big, for a season at least.

Sorry seanfhear, I dont mean this as a dig at you here but this is something that drives me nuts. Top professionals in any industry dont shy away from pressure, big jobs come with a certain amount of pressure. It doesnt matter if its in business or sports, if you dont want any pressure then stay where its nice and comfortable, but dont expect to improve. We are seeing a lot of comments these days that we shouldnt be putting too much pressure on Evan Ferguson. Let him stay at Brighton for a few years etc. Top players want to play at the highest level possible. If Champions League clubs come in for Ferguson he would absolutely have to consider it. Staying at Brighton considering he is only 18 would still be fine of course, but if the big boys are offering massive money then how does he not move, given that you never know what happens in future with injuries etc.

Same with Kelleher here, he 24, his time of hiding from pressure should be long past. Fair enough if the best offer he gets is from the Championship then thats where he should go, but not as a way to keep the pressure down a bit.

Jd2793

06/04/2023, 6:51 PM

You know what, reading this he'd probably fit in surprisingly well at Man Utd, who are having issues with just this problem - a manager who wants his keeper to be good playing the ball - and will probably need a new keeper soon. But that would never happen for a variety of reasons.

I think some people are over-estimating his chances of a top tier move here. Far more likely he'll go to a Championship team, unless he's willing to go further afield?

i dont think so. id prefer if he was playing obviously but i do think people are going a bit OTT with the criticism against him for being no2 and not playing. clubs have every angle covered these days they'll have enough of a read off kelleher now to judge how they'd think he'd fare out. a championship move would be a real step backwards for him tbh. hopefully leicester can stay up as i think they are a club who'll have a good scope to rebuild themselve back into being a top half-ish side.

Jd2793

06/04/2023, 6:52 PM

He'd be better off going to the Championship ~ Where the pressure would not be so big, for a season at least.

waste of time. we've seen already the pressure doesnt faze him. there are questions around his shot stopping ability at the top level i would say but definitely not around his ability to deal with pressure.

ontheotherhand

06/04/2023, 10:10 PM

i dont think so. id prefer if he was playing obviously but i do think people are going a bit OTT with the criticism against him for being no2 and not playing. clubs have every angle covered these days they'll have enough of a read off kelleher now to judge how they'd think he'd fare out. a championship move would be a real step backwards for him tbh. hopefully leicester can stay up as i think they are a club who'll have a good scope to rebuild themselve back into being a top half-ish side.

I've been a critic. It's probably more pronounced because we could use an experienced keeper. As much as I like Bazunu he's still a baby in GK terms and it would be nice if Kelleher has a season or two behind him.

A lot of the criticism of our various prospects is probably exaggerated out of pure desperation for them to kick on!

John83

07/04/2023, 5:13 AM

A lot of the criticism of our various prospects is probably exaggerated out of pure desperation for them to kick on!
Sometimes it's a reaction to hype too. Blind optimism can be as annoying as the pessimism.

Eirambler

07/04/2023, 8:15 AM

Sorry seanfhear, I dont mean this as a dig at you here but this is something that drives me nuts. Top professionals in any industry dont shy away from pressure, big jobs come with a certain amount of pressure. It doesnt matter if its in business or sports, if you dont want any pressure then stay where its nice and comfortable, but dont expect to improve. We are seeing a lot of comments these days that we shouldnt be putting too much pressure on Evan Ferguson. Let him stay at Brighton for a few years etc. Top players want to play at the highest level possible. If Champions League clubs come in for Ferguson he would absolutely have to consider it. Staying at Brighton considering he is only 18 would still be fine of course, but if the big boys are offering massive money then how does he not move, given that you never know what happens in future with injuries etc.

Same with Kelleher here, he 24, his time of hiding from pressure should be long past. Fair enough if the best offer he gets is from the Championship then thats where he should go, but not as a way to keep the pressure down a bit.

There's a good reason for that though. Franny Jeffers being famous prime example of why a big move at a young age can be a terrible idea. And there are many more.

Jd2793

07/04/2023, 10:02 AM

why do people think kelleher has hidden from pressure? hes played in full internationals for ireland and cup finals for liverpool, hes done well with the pressure in those games. he was getting grief on here 2 weeks ago because people think he looks too casual with the ball at his feet! people need to make their minds up.

third policeman

07/04/2023, 10:33 AM

I think the goalkeeper debate has created a polarisation of views on this forum to some extent. I think some Bazunu advocates are overly critical of Kelleher, to the extent that if Kelleher had conceded the goal against France, there would be comments about his footwork, positioning and shot stopping ability.

Jd2793

07/04/2023, 10:51 AM

weldoninhio

07/04/2023, 12:26 PM

Sorry seanfhear, I dont mean this as a dig at you here but this is something that drives me nuts. Top professionals in any industry dont shy away from pressure, big jobs come with a certain amount of pressure. It doesnt matter if its in business or sports, if you dont want any pressure then stay where its nice and comfortable, but dont expect to improve. We are seeing a lot of comments these days that we shouldnt be putting too much pressure on Evan Ferguson. Let him stay at Brighton for a few years etc. Top players want to play at the highest level possible. If Champions League clubs come in for Ferguson he would absolutely have to consider it. Staying at Brighton considering he is only 18 would still be fine of course, but if the big boys are offering massive money then how does he not move, given that you never know what happens in future with injuries etc.

Same with Kelleher here, he 24, his time of hiding from pressure should be long past. Fair enough if the best offer he gets is from the Championship then thats where he should go, but not as a way to keep the pressure down a bit.

That is all well and good from Kellehers point of view, but what top flight manager, 13 sacked so far this season, is going to risk his job on an unproven goalie, with a handful of professional games to his name, and put him into his first 11??

Kelleher needs to be playing. It�s no good for his own development moving from Liverpool�s bench to another teams bench.

seanfhear

07/04/2023, 1:48 PM

That is all well and good from Kellehers point of view, but what top flight manager, 13 sacked so far this season, is going to risk his job on an unproven goalie, with a handful of professional games to his name, and put him into his first 11??

Kelleher needs to be playing. It�s no good for his own development moving from Liverpool�s bench to another teams bench.
He certainly needs to be playing alright.

Razors left peg

07/04/2023, 2:37 PM

There's a good reason for that though. Franny Jeffers being famous prime example of why a big move at a young age can be a terrible idea. And there are many more.
And there are plenty that work too.

Razors left peg

07/04/2023, 2:38 PM

That is all well and good from Kellehers point of view, but what top flight manager, 13 sacked so far this season, is going to risk his job on an unproven goalie, with a handful of professional games to his name, and put him into his first 11??

Kelleher needs to be playing. It�s no good for his own development moving from Liverpool�s bench to another teams bench.
You may have missed the part where I said if the best offer he gets is from the Championship that's fair enough

elatedscum

07/04/2023, 3:10 PM

That is all well and good from Kellehers point of view, but what top flight manager, 13 sacked so far this season, is going to risk his job on an unproven goalie, with a handful of professional games to his name, and put him into his first 11??

I don�t think you realise that playing for Liverpool in the champions league, in a cup final and internationally is of more value to a premier league manager than Bazunu�s appearances in League 1.

Why would a premier league manager sign him? Cause he�s objectively a better goalkeeper than Vincente Guaita, Danny Ward, and Illan Meslier - and if you�re a team replacing their keeper, as a team like Aston Villa might be (if Martinez ends up at Spurs), Kelleher is an affordable player with real upside and potential, who if you don�t sign now, you may not be able to sign again.

ontheotherhand

07/04/2023, 4:54 PM

Sometimes it's a reaction to hype too. Blind optimism can be as annoying as the pessimism.

I've probably been guilty of both on this thread alone...

Kelleher's path could work out very well for him. Maybe better than Bazunu throwing himself into the EPL deep end. I do still have questions around how he will handle the physical and mental rigors of a full season and I don't think the questions around how he handles pressure are that unusual either. Could we really call any of the league cup games or friendlies/NL games for Ireland high pressure scenarios? I'm not too sure but to be honest, but my memory is crap. He looks calm and composed and he does well in peno shootouts but he hasn't really played any games where losing was a disaster has he?

Jd2793

07/04/2023, 4:57 PM

I've probably been guilty of both on this thread alone...

Kelleher's path could work out very well for him. Maybe better than Bazunu throwing himself into the EPL deep end. I do still have questions around how he will handle the physical and mental rigors of a full season and I don't think the questions around how he handles pressure are that unusual either. Could we really call any of the league cup games or friendlies/NL games for Ireland high pressure scenarios? I'm not too sure but to be honest, but my memory is crap. He looks calm and composed and he does well in peno shootouts but he hasn't really played any games where losing was a disaster has he?

denigrating the league cup seems to be all the rage. he played in a cup final and if he didnt make the saves/score his pen they'd have lost. are you saying losing a final at wembley doesnt matter to players? its entirely possible to give the lad a bit of credit aswell, strange i know

seanfhear

07/04/2023, 5:20 PM

Nobody can know how good Kelleher can be, until he is playing regularly.

Eirambler

07/04/2023, 5:24 PM

I don�t think you realise that playing for Liverpool in the champions league, in a cup final and internationally is of more value to a premier league manager than Bazunu�s appearances in League 1.

Why would a premier league manager sign him? Cause he�s objectively a better goalkeeper than Vincente Guaita, Danny Ward, and Illan Meslier - and if you�re a team replacing their keeper, as a team like Aston Villa might be (if Martinez ends up at Spurs), Kelleher is an affordable player with real upside and potential, who if you don�t sign now, you may not be able to sign again.

I don't think you can say that about a guy who has only played 30 senior games in his career, we just don't have the body of evidence to say he's at that level. Evan Ferguson will have played more senior football than him by the end of this season, and he's 18.

pineapple stu

07/04/2023, 5:55 PM

but he hasn't really played any games where losing was a disaster has he?
there's very few games where losing is a disaster to be fair

ontheotherhand

07/04/2023, 6:06 PM

there's very few games where losing is a disaster to be fair

I mean not on the scale of a biblical flood but there's far more at stake in WC qualifiers, relegation 6 pointers and European promotion deciders than any games he's played in so far.

ontheotherhand

07/04/2023, 6:10 PM

denigrating the league cup seems to be all the rage. he played in a cup final and if he didnt make the saves/score his pen they'd have lost. are you saying losing a final at wembley doesnt matter to players? its entirely possible to give the lad a bit of credit aswell, strange i know

I have given him credit but the league cup is what it is. Great day for him and probably the highlight of his career so far but nobody was going home crying if they lost. Or maybe they would have, they put out a strong team. I just don't think it gives us the complete signal. It's a short campaign so I don't think it really tells us much about his ability to handle the pressure of a league campaign where fans can turn on you after bad performances etc. Bazunu is facing that right now for better or worse.

pineapple stu

07/04/2023, 7:13 PM

I mean not on the scale of a biblical flood but there's far more at stake in WC qualifiers, relegation 6 pointers and European promotion deciders than any games he's played in so far.
Fair. He's played Champions League group stages as well of course. Turned out to be an easy game, but still a big game. You'd like to think a thing keeper will put pressure on himself in every game too, though I know that's a different kind of pressure.

But look, if he gets a move and gets regular time even in the Championship, that'll be good

pineapple stu

09/05/2023, 4:58 PM

Linked with Brighton, Brentford and Spurs at the moment. Though football rumours are often unreliable, so we'll have to wait and see what happens

https://www.balls.ie/football/premier-league-clubs-caoimhin-kelleher-553368

tetsujin1979

09/05/2023, 5:09 PM

The Brentford rumour comes from the S*n, make of that what you will
Interesting that the independent article that inspired the balls.ie post - https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/tottenham-join-race-to-tempt-caoimhin-kelleher-away-from-liverpool/a431462727.html - includes this transfer rumour

Meanwhile, West Ham are hoping to beat competition from a host of Premier League rivals, including Chelsea and Tottenham, to sign Ireland youth prospect Joe O�Brien-Whitmarsh.
The 17-year-old midfielder is currently playing for Cork City and has already had a trial at West Ham a couple of years ago, with the club keeping a close eye on his progress ever since.

Jd2793

09/05/2023, 5:12 PM

cant believe a PL club are thinking of giving him a chance. has he not been wasting away for 3 years?

elatedscum

09/05/2023, 7:18 PM

I mean not on the scale of a biblical flood but there's far more at stake in WC qualifiers, relegation 6 pointers and European promotion deciders than any games he's played in so far.

Fair. He's played Champions League group stages as well of course. Turned out to be an easy game, but still a big game.

He played for Liverpool against Chelsea in the premier league when Liverpool were neck and neck with City going for the title. I guess that�s a low pressure game?

Some of the stuff on this thread is kinda mad.

ontheotherhand

09/05/2023, 9:28 PM

He played for Liverpool against Chelsea in the premier league when Liverpool were neck and neck with City going for the title. I guess that�s a low pressure game?

Some of the stuff on this thread is kinda mad.

I'd forgotten that one. Thanks for the reminder. You've some memory ES, fair play. One of my favourite contributors on here even if you're calling me out this time!

Delighted he might be getting a direct PL move. It'll put him in pole position for the Ireland shirt. The Southampton move has really panned out badly for Bazunu.

zero

09/05/2023, 9:55 PM

If reports are to to be believed Liverpool are ok to let him go and at a relatively low price. Hopefully just a case of both sides accepting the fact that he needs first team football.

Hi injury record is a concern, it's relatively common for keepers go through the whole season without missing a game. Spurs is probably the ceiling in terms of another PL club, I could see him doing ok there.

ifk101

10/05/2023, 5:17 AM

A Brentford or a Brighton does feel like an ideal club destination for Kelleher but if that quoted 20m number is to be believed, that�s transfer record territory for both Brentford and Brighton. And paying such a sum would represent, imo, a departure from their (successful) transfer strategies of signing undervalued players.

Never know with Spurs but would imagine Kelleher is too low profile to sign as a starter. But then again, high profile is likely to steer well clear of Spurs. :-)

Anyways, and from our Ireland perspective, he needs to move and play football.

Eirambler

10/05/2023, 7:45 AM

JR89

10/05/2023, 12:24 PM

Not sure about Brentford, but Brighton have already spent �30m on a striker this summer, so �20m (and I'm not sure it would be as much as that) seems within reason for them. They're able to sell players for well north of �50m now, so a �20m signing can still make sense in terms of potentially selling for a profit down the line - provided the player is good enough of course.

And that's �30m for a player that hasn't done much in his career. They also didn't have much issue throwing Sanchez in as starting keeper after only half a season at League Two and half season at League One because of COVID. So Kelleher's lack of games won't bother them.

If his style of play suits the way they want their keeper to play they'll sign him. Liverpool also chasing McAllister can work out in their favour cause they can ask for cash plus Kelleher for McAllister.

ifk101

10/05/2023, 1:22 PM

And that's �30m for a player that hasn't done much in his career. They also didn't have much issue throwing Sanchez in as starting keeper after only half a season at League Two and half season at League One because of COVID. So Kelleher's lack of games won't bother them.

If his style of play suits the way they want their keeper to play they'll sign him. Liverpool also chasing McAllister can work out in their favour cause they can ask for cash plus Kelleher for McAllister.

It's �30m for a 21 year old with 150 senior appearances. Let's not be so dismissive, he obviously has something about him. And Sanchez has been with Brighton since he was 15 so they didn't just throw him in.

Sure, Kelleher's strength on the ball could be a fit with how Brighton want to play. But questionable paying 20m for a player with a lack of game time won't bother them. 20m equals the second highest they have paid for a player. Think the fee would need to considerably lower or dependent on how much Liverpool want McAllister.

elatedscum

10/05/2023, 2:58 PM

Brentford have agreed to pay Freiburg �22m for Kevin Schade. It was reported in January that it was a loan with a compulsory purchase being very likely as a result. So presumably that�s going ahead - and that would be their record fee.

Raya only has a year left on his deal and they�re looking for �40m for him. If they get that, they�d have no problem paying �20m for a replacement.

And with 3 years on the deal, Liverpool have plenty of leverage.

Stuttgart88

11/05/2023, 11:34 AM

Brentford have agreed to pay Freiburg �22m for Kevin Schade. Can you cast more light on that?

pineapple stu

11/05/2023, 11:49 AM

It's a pity you can't get a better pun than that

(For any German speakers on here...)

seanfhear

11/05/2023, 12:32 PM

Any Schadenfreude about ?

Kingdom

11/05/2023, 12:54 PM

Can you cast more light on that?

I would have expected a bitte more effort on this subject.

third policeman

12/05/2023, 5:31 PM

I would have expected a bitte more effort on this subject.

And with a bitte more Erfurt you could could have scored a double.

weldoninhio

15/05/2023, 6:54 PM

Looks like Brentford are signing Mark Flekken for �13m to replace Raya.

tetsujin1979

28/05/2023, 2:53 PM

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pineapple stu

28/05/2023, 4:53 PM

Shipping four (so far) against Southampton can't be a good look for suitors unfortunately. Even if Liverpool do seem to be in beach mode

Jd2793

28/05/2023, 4:59 PM

Desperate for at least 2/,probably 3 of the goals

tommy_c12000

28/05/2023, 5:31 PM

Disappointing to hear. Hopefully he will secure an early summer move, presumably championship, and get a solid preseason behind him. Can�t expect to turn it on every time he gets game time without ever having any consistent senior exposure. A season of regression for sure for Caoimhin. Last summer was the time to move as many of us on here had hoped. At least he should finally move this summer and we will finally see what he can do on a consistent basis at senior level

joey B

28/05/2023, 6:19 PM

Kelleher done himself no favours today,nobody will be jumping at him with that display�.

tommy_c12000

28/05/2023, 7:59 PM

Just watched the highlights there. I was expecting some massive mistakes based on here and Twitter. Am I missing something? First goal, no chance. Second goal, yes didn�t get down and ball squirmed under him, would have been saved by most keepers, Alex McCarthy would have just let it go through his legs. Third goal, great finish. Perhaps his positioning could have been better? But not a clear error. And the fourth, I assume he should have had better positioning and opened too much of goal up to Armstrong? But again, nice finish. Not a drastic error.

So only one goal, where he should have clearly done better from what I saw. He made some good saves as well. And looking at his passes record, distribution seemed to be solid.

Am I missing something?

pineapple stu

28/05/2023, 8:08 PM

Yeah, that's how I saw it too watching the highlights. Maybe would have liked to have gotten closer to the first and fourth as they weren't right in the corner? The fourth in particular is a goal you'd regularly see scored though. Don't see those as desperate errors - more the sort of stuff you'd expect regular games to help with.

Second one does look a bit weak and the third is a great finish.

Not the sort of game you want to make a habit of though