American Politics

[mark12345]

People like you and me knew, that Joe Biden would pardon all sorts of dodgy people, and a lot of dodgy people in his own family.

We know this, we see it coming ~ ~ But innocents, can't see it coming and can't understand why he is doing it !

We know why he is doing it ~ Because the Biden family is as dodgy as fook, and have been for decades ~ And the Democrat party is a dodgy party and has been for decades !

This is the reality of the Democrat Party and the Biden family !

Now the Republicans are probably much the same ~ And who knows, maybe worse sometimes ~ But some People think the Democrats are whiter than white, when that cannot be further from the truth !

I feel sorry for the innocents that have their eye opened at times like this !

Very well said.

[seanfhear]

It is indeed quite a strange privilege. I think we can safely say that American politics is dripping in corruption and has been for a very long time. This pardon business was arguably designed to get people off the hook.
This seems to be one big hit of pardon, to clear the decks of crooks galore ! !

I would say probably 90% of American Politicians have huge un-explained money ( and lots of it ) and nobody bothers to ask ~ Where did all this money come from ~ ~ And I mean 10's of millions if not reaching 100's of millions ~ ~ And it's both Republicans and Democrats ~ It's just taken as a given that you will become fabulously wealthy as an American Politician with no explanations !

Obviously a whole lot of this is corruption but everyone ( media / everyone ) just turns a blind eye !

You couldn't actually accumulate this sort of wealth from politics, unless it is corruption.

[SkStu]

"the bullet" - weren't multiple shots fired and wasn't trump apparently hit by a ricochet or a fragment?

Weren’t you arguing/suggesting that he wasn’t shot at?

[Real ale Madrid]

Weren’t you arguing/suggesting that he wasn’t shot at?

Suggesting that I wouldn't be 100% certain. Although tbf it was likely that he was. More in the context of him surviving the next 4 years.

Anyway. Here is Elon Musk giving a Nazi salute on MLK day. It must be great to be able to act with impunity.

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[mark12345]

Why? To deflect from the Greenland bullshirt?

The Greenland "bull****" was mentioned tonight by Trump when he was signing the executive orders. There are Russian and Chinese vessels all around their coast (I'm paraphrasing). But we sort of knew it wasn't bull**** didn't we?

[tetsujin1979]

Here's some other stuff he said, and the reality of it
If he said it was daytime, I'd still check for sunlight
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/20/trump-inaugural-address-factcheck

[SkStu]

Suggesting that I wouldn't be 100% certain. Although tbf it was likely that he was. More in the context of him surviving the next 4 years. [/tweet]

Fair enough. There are some who think the thing was orchestrated and, to be honest, that type of thinking just is mindboggling. I understand the divisiveness that he causes but to think it was a fabricated hoax really is a stretch too far.

America is such a clusterf*ck.

[pineapple stu]

I cannot. I did not make that claim (it was about the media in America).
Yes you did.

You said you didn't quite believe in the BBC as a bastion of integrity. I asked you why, and you went into a load of nonsense about media likening Trump to Hitler.

Given that you now acknowledge this was about media in the US - the likes of Mark Levin probably - then you've given no basis at all for your views on the BBC, which is widely regarded as one of the best journalistic outlets there is.

Could I ask you again so to detail your reasons for dismissing the BBC as a news source (which, to be clear, is what you did)?

[SkStu]

BBC, for all its faults, is definitely one of the best (and most impartial) news sources there is. Anyone holding up Fox or CNN or, honestly, any American cable network as the true source is off their rocker. They're opinion outlets, not news outlets.

[mark12345]

[QUOTE=pineapple stu;2213314]Yes you did.

"about media likening Trump to Hitler......
Given that you now acknowledge this was about media in the US - the likes of Mark Levin probably - then you've given no basis at all for your views on the BBC"
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Read what you yourself wrote

[pineapple stu]

OK.

Grand - now I've read it, can you explain why you cite Mark Levin (noted as an outrage merchant par excellence) but then say "But keep on tuning into the BBC that bastion of truth and honesty."

That's what I'm challenging you on. I asked you why you had that view on the BBC and you said "About 11 - 12 weeks ago the media was telling Americans that Trump is Hitler. [...] And the American people are supposed to take the media seriously?"

I then asked you how that related to the BBC - where the BBC had ever said that Trump was Hitler. You seem to acknowledge this hasn't happened - so your dismissal of the BBC is, for now, irrelevant. And my question on why you feel the need to quote Mark Levin and then say "But keep on tuning into the BBC that bastion of truth and honesty" remains.

Want to try answer it again?

[mark12345]

Yes you did.

You said you didn't quite believe in the BBC as a bastion of integrity. I asked you why, and you went into a load of nonsense about media likening Trump to Hitler.

Given that you now acknowledge this was about media in the US - the likes of Mark Levin probably - then you've given no basis at all for your views on the BBC, which is widely regarded as one of the best journalistic outlets there is.

Could I ask you again so to detail your reasons for dismissing the BBC as a news source (which, to be clear, is what you did)?

To be clear the BBC are most definitely a news source, just not a reputable one anymore.

I would be happy to discuss the BBC at some point later. Remember I did ask if you thought the media tells all truth all of the time. You told me that was a bullshirt question. I see it as rather straight forward. But enough of me answering all of your questions, how about we discuss the topics at hand, like the media's deflection of the Biden pardons onto the other pardons? That would be the American media.

[pineapple stu]

To be clear the BBC are most definitely a news source, just not a reputable one anymore.
And I asked you why you held that view, given it's at odds with pretty much the worldwide view of the BBC as one of, if not the, foremost journalistic outlet.

But you're unable to answer that.

You have a lot of views you can't back up.

[osarusan]

BBC, for all its faults, is definitely one of the best (and most impartial) news sources there is. Anyone holding up Fox or CNN or, honestly, any American cable network as the true source is off their rocker. They're opinion outlets, not news outlets.

In general they're good, though increasingly less so.

Their coverage of Israel/Palestine has been truly appalling though.

[pineapple stu]

The BBC or CNN/Fox?

[seanfhear]

I see Joe Biden pardoned a load of crooks ~ A lot of them in his own family !

And of course, Fauci / the January 6th Committee ~ Nothing to see here though ! ! !

[pineapple stu]

And Trump has already pardoned hundreds of criminals in the 6th January rioters - any issues with that?

[tetsujin1979]

Fauci came out with a lot of stuff that even he admitted was rubbish later on !

Why the hell would Fauci need a pardon ? !
Really? I'd like to see some examples of him admitting his stuff was rubbish.

Still waiting on an answer for this

[seanfhear]

Still waiting on an answer for this
Fauci himself admitted that the masks were useless, and they just made up the six feet distance malarkey.

[seanfhear]

And Trump has already pardoned hundreds of criminals in the 6th January rioters - any issues with that?
I wonder why, Antifa rioters / BLM rioters, didn't get anything like the same sentences for doing a lot worse than the Jan 6th people.

[tetsujin1979]

Fauci himself admitted that the masks were useless, and they just made up the six feet distance malarkey.
Do you have a link we can all read with him saying that?

[seanfhear]

https://www.npr.org/sections/goats-and-soda/2024/06/21/g-s1-5705/coronavirus-faw-if-youre-still-trying-to-stay-covid-safe-does-the-6-food-rule-matter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5FY58I5RQ0

[tetsujin1979]

https://www.npr.org/sections/goats-and-soda/2024/06/21/g-s1-5705/coronavirus-faw-if-youre-still-trying-to-stay-covid-safe-does-the-6-food-rule-matterStrange, can't find a link to where he actually said that, just articles with the quote. From the article itself, it looks like the six foot rule came from a study in the late 1800s about the distance bacteria can travel.
This quote in particular would seem to confirm it was far from rubbish

Here’s the thing: Even with this revised understanding of the spread of COVID, the closer you are to the person with COVID, the higher your risk of catching it.
“As you get farther away from the infected person, aerosols become more diluted, so the chance of inhaling [particles] usually goes down with distance,” says Marr.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5FY58I5RQ0

Did you actually watch that? He said, in March 2020, before lockdown, that masks should be prioritised for the elderly and medical use.

[mark12345]

I wonder why, Antifa rioters / BLM rioters, didn't get anything like the same sentences for doing a lot worse than the Jan 6th people.

Sean.....don't you know you're not supposed to ask questions like that. They are too thought provoking. And can you tell the audience Sean approximately how many people died in those riots and the approximate dollar cost of the property damage? I think the audience might be a little light on that info. And while your at it Sean, can you also send clips of CNN et al condemning the actions of those people. Oh wait you might have a hard time finding those.

[tetsujin1979]

If you're against AntiFA, what are you in favour of?

[seanfhear]

If you're against AntiFA, what are you in favour of?
Funny how ~ Antifa behave like Fascists ~ Masked-up / violence / rioting / heading for a billion ( probably more ) or more damage in America / mostly peaceful rioting, burning, looting !

It wouldn't be the first time that a group operated under a " dodgy name " ~ ~ The Nazi's were National Socialists but, very few Socialists would say that the National Socialists were Socialists ? !

Quite a few people died during the Antifa / BLM riots ~ ~ They were very very very far from victimless riots !

[tetsujin1979]

None of that answers the question I asked

[mark12345]

If you're against AntiFA, what are you in favour of?

So are you saying you support all those deaths and property damage a few years ago? Surely you don't?

[tetsujin1979]

So are you saying you support all those deaths and property damage a few years ago? Surely you don't?
I never said I supported anything. I asked if you are against AntiFA, what are you in favour of

[pineapple stu]

And I asked you why you held that view, given it's at odds with pretty much the worldwide view of the BBC as one of, if not the, foremost journalistic outlet.

But you're unable to answer that.

You have a lot of views you can't back up.

Mark - this post is in danger of getting lost. I'm sure you wouldn't want that

Can I ask you again why you feel the BBC isn't a reputable news source any more?

The only attempt at an answer you've given so far is because some American media have apparently likened Trump to Hitler

[seanfhear]

None of that answers the question I asked
What if Antifa are Not what you think they are ? !

If you were to judge Antifa by their actions ~ Then you would say that Antifa are Fascists ~ As I said, they would not be the first group in history to be the direct opposite of what they say they are !

[seanfhear]

500,000 People cancelled their BBC license's in the UK last year ~ ~ That tells you that an awful lot of People in the UK, have seriously lost confidence in the BBC !

[pineapple stu]

500,000 People cancelled their BBC license's in the UK last year ~ ~ That tells you that an awful lot of People in the UK, have seriously lost confidence in the BBC !

No, it tells you those people are only interested in watching streamed shows on Netflix instead. It tells you nothing about the BBC's reputation. And it's only 2% of licence holders - 98% haven't cancelled

[Neish]

500,000 People cancelled their BBC license's in the UK last year ~ ~ That tells you that an awful lot of People in the UK, have seriously lost confidence in the BBC !

More to do with the pay scandals than their content

[tetsujin1979]

500,000 People cancelled their BBC license's in the UK last year ~ ~ That tells you that an awful lot of People in the UK, have seriously lost confidence in the BBC !
Not really, cable cutting has been a thing for years
Theres 64 million people living in the UK. It's about the same as 40,000 people in Ireland cancelling their license.

[Neish]

What if Antifa are Not what you think they are ? !

If you were to judge Antifa by their actions ~ Then you would say that Antifa are Fascists ~ As I said, they would not be the first group in history to be the direct opposite of what they say they are !

Please do give us you're definition of fascism as the definitions i find online

an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
a political system that has a powerful leader, state control, and national pride, and does not allow political opposition

Antiifa can be fascist as they aren't one group but a collection of groups some very differing views but collective in their dislike of the above

[seanfhear]

The BBC have the huge advantage of not having advertisements ~ ~ And yet People are cancelling the TV license in big numbers ~ ~ In theory anyway, you can't watch any live television if you don't have a TV license in the UK ~ ~ Many People are making a political statement by cancelling their TV license ~ ~ There is quite a big thing re; Defund the BBC.

People in the UK have no-where near the respect, that they once had for the BBC !

[seanfhear]

More to do with the pay scandals than their content
Isn't that more RTE and all the money shenanigans that have been going on there !

Though the BBC do have their own scandals ~ Not least all of the sexual perverts that seem to manage to get work at the BBC !

[seanfhear]

Please do give us you're definition of fascism as the definitions i find online

an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
a political system that has a powerful leader, state control, and national pride, and does not allow political opposition

Antiifa can be fascist as they aren't one group but a collection of groups some very differing views but collective in their dislike of the above
Antifa ~ Masked / Violent / Rioters ~ They certainly sound like the Nazi's Brown Shirts !

[pineapple stu]

The BBC have the huge advantage of not having advertisements ~ ~ And yet People are cancelling the TV license in big numbers
You don't have to have ads on streaming either.

And 2% isn't a huge number. It appears a small number of people are now happy to binge-watch a narrow selection of shows; that's all

It certainly doesn't show the BBC isn't a reputable journalistic outlet any more. Want to try again?

[seanfhear]

[QUOTE=seanfhear;2213434]The BBC have the huge advantage of not having advertisements ~ ~ And yet People are cancelling the TV license in big numbers[/quote ]
You don't have to have ads on streaming either.

And 2% isn't a huge number. It appears a small number of people are now happy to binge-watch a narrow selection of shows; that's all

It certainly doesn't show the BBC isn't a reputable journalistic outlet any more
Actually ~ 2% is a big number whey you consider that the BBC was at one time greatly respected in the UK ~ It isn't anymore, when you consider all of the Defund The BBC Campaigns !

[mark12345]

I never said I supported anything. I asked if you are against AntiFA, what are you in favour of

"If you're against Antifa, what are you in favour of?"

I am certainly not in favour of Antifa. Their name suggests that they are anti-facist but their actions are anything but anti-facist.
Surely you agree with me that their actions in the summer of 2018 were beyond reprehensible?

[Real ale Madrid]

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Despite the source, I enjoyed this takedown.

[mark12345]

And I asked you why you held that view, given it's at odds with pretty much the worldwide view of the BBC as one of, if not the, foremost journalistic outlet.

But you're unable to answer that.

You have a lot of views you can't back up.

"I would be happy to discuss the BBC at some point later," from a previous post. The reasoning - the BBC is not in the news at this time. The pardons by Biden and Trump are. Feel free to speak in detail about both, like I asked you to do.

[seanfhear]

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Despite the source, I enjoyed this takedown.The usual virtue signalling and posturing, from somebody that probably lives in a Bishops Palace behind high walls.

The American People just voted decisively to put a stop to the virtue signalling nonsense that this privileged Bishop is pulpit-ing ! !

[Real ale Madrid]

The usual virtue signalling and posturing, from somebody that probably lives in a Bishops Palace behind high walls.

The American People just voted decisively to put a stop to the virtue signalling nonsense that this privileged Bishop is pulpit-ing ! !

It's interesting that you, like the new President, should attack the messenger here and not the message.

Trumps complete lack of empathy will be the main reason he gets nothing achieved. All he has are these XO's and most of them from a policy standpoint will be legally challenged the same as last time. In order to get things done you need to work with people. He's all stage and no substance.

[seanfhear]

It's interesting that you, like the new President, should attack the messenger here and not the message.

Trumps complete lack of empathy will be the main reason he gets nothing achieved. All he has are these XO's and most of them from a policy standpoint will be legally challenged the same as last time. In order to get things done you need to work with people. He's all stage and no substance.You do understand how Democracy works ~ ~ President Donald J Trump has just won decisively the election on his manifesto ~ ~ He is also is a strong position in the House and Senate.

President Donald J Trump has an obligation to instigate his manifesto ~ A Democratic duty to do that !

[Real ale Madrid]

You do understand how Democracy works ~ ~ President Donald J Trump has just won decisively the election on his manifesto ~ ~ He is also is a strong position in the House and Senate.

President Donald J Trump has an obligation to instigate his manifesto ~ A Democratic duty to do that !

His only duty in his own mind is to himself . The only reason he ran was to try and stave off prison. Now himself and Melania are billions of dollars up on a Ponzi crypto scheme . Everything to him is purely business. He cares not a jot about the average American. He'll be playing golf 4 times a week and making speeches for the next 4 years and if enough people swallow his guff he might set up Ivanka or Barron to go next.

[seanfhear]

His only duty in his own mind is to himself . The only reason he ran was to try and stave off prison. Now himself and Melania are billions of dollars up on a Ponzi crypto scheme . Everything to him is purely business. He cares not a jot about the average American. He'll be playing golf 4 times a week and making speeches for the next 4 years and if enough people swallow his guff he might set up Ivanka or Barron to go next.
And you think the Shower that are at the top of the Democrat Party are any different ? !

[Real ale Madrid]

And you think the Shower that are at the top of the Democrat Party are any different ? !

Deflecting again. No answer.

You've gone from 'duty to implement a manifesto' to 'ah sure I know he's corrupt but they are all the same' in 2 posts.