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sullanefc
13/04/2018, 5:13 PM
And to add, this whole 'he's the one started it' is agony to read, real pathetic stuff. No matter what anybody else did, anybody involved is responsible for their own actions in it.
Bang on. Despite what dalk and waterford fans say.
mcgonigle
13/04/2018, 5:37 PM
Lol at Dundalk fans who can't let it go and still say Caulfield started. Hehe. The whole affair has been worth it for the online meltdowns alone. Hehe.
You're a hoot, you boys couldn't get to your keyboards fast enough anytime Kenny opened his mouth last season.
Don't flatter yourselves down there, the only thing that matters to us is the league table. Exposing the blinkered views of langers is just a bonus
Ezeikial
13/04/2018, 5:47 PM
"It's their cup final and we need to be ready for it"
https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/2437353/bohemians-boss-keith-long-preparing-for-shamrock-rovers-backlash-in-dublin-derby/
He has obviously gone back to the beginning of his book of quotes. Do Rovers have someone who can give him some media training?
marinobohs
13/04/2018, 6:38 PM
"It's their cup final and we need to be ready for itihttps://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/2437353/bohemians-boss-keith-long-preparing-for-shamrock-rovers-backlash-in-dublin-derby/
He has obviously gone back to the beginning of his book of quotes. Do Rovers have someone who can give him some media training?
Media training? Bradley needs potty training.
bennocelt
13/04/2018, 7:02 PM
Thanks for that guys, I did laugh:) god where would be without Shamrock Rovers
Ezeikial
13/04/2018, 11:25 PM
Most would expect Rovers to get 9 points from those 3 games - at home to Bohs and Limerick with an away trip to Bray in between.
It's the next four league games that are more likely to be the sticky ones
Derry City (A)
Cork City (H)
St Pats (A)
Waterford (H)
If these results go astray Rovers could easily sit in 5th or 6th place by the middle of May
It looks like I was way off - Rovers down to 5th after only the first of those games and based on what I saw from Bray tonight they are facing a stiff challenge by the seaside on Monday night.
Is it possible that Bradser can survive another defeat?
KOH
Just wondering on Aaron Barry, was he dropped last night Cork fans, and if so is this just a recent dip in form or has he not started as well as say McNamee ?
Just wondering on Aaron Barry, was he dropped last night Cork fans, and if so is this just a recent dip in form or has he not started as well as say McNamee ?
Dropped. He's been poor since the start. Caulfield stuck with him in the hopes he'd settle into it I'd say but he looks like he's gonna cost us every game.
Have to say it's great to see two young Cork lads as the centre half partnership. 2 lads that came up through the Youths, 22 and 19, keeping an experienced LOI centre half in Barry and a starting irish u21 International like Kane out of the team. Very positive endorsement of the lads and the youth in Cork. McLoughlin in particular looks top class.
That said, we could definitely do with more experience in there and it would be a lot to ask of them in big games. Shame Barry has been poor.
Surprised to hear this and must be very disappointing for Barry as he is a fine player. He's a type of centre half I usually like, comfortable on the ball, but this is a key position and if you're not performing?
How long is Bennett out for, or is he in a similar position like Gartland at Dundalk, coming back from injury but finding it hard to get back in?
Surprised to hear this and must be very disappointing for Barry as he is a fine player. He's a type of centre half I usually like, comfortable on the ball, but this is a key position and if you're not performing?
How long is Bennett out for, or is he in a similar position like Gartland at Dundalk, coming back from injury but finding it hard to get back in?
Sounds like Benno recovered from the injury, but started to feel it again in training. Reality is, he's not going to play regularly and we have to look to find a consistent pair that can perform. He's 36 now, and while he has the quality, hes going to get injured.
I think if Benno had been fit, and Barry had a few months with Benno next to him, he'd be in a different position. But he was lumped in as the experienced head with young lads next to him, and he just seemed to crumble a bit under it.
Olander
15/04/2018, 3:50 PM
I'm not surprised to see McCarthy and McLoughlin playing so much for Cork City this season. Dunleavy and Bennett are crocked. Their defensive signings in the off-season were underwhelming IMO. Colm Horgan is nowhere near good enough for a team with Cork City's ambitions, at times he stood out as being poor in a team commonly fighting relegation. Tobi Rowling had a good first season at Sligo but his second was a disaster on all fronts and Aaron Barry is an above average centre-back in the Premier Division, he's 25/26 now, I don't see him improving a whole lot honestly.
I suppose you could level similar-ish criticism at Dundalk signing Stephen Folan, but to me he's more established and has more quality than both Rowling and Horgan (certainly Horgan anyway). Dundalk have also signed Daniel Cleary, who looks absolutely quality and they have Hoare and Gartland coming back from injury.
Horgan and Tobi aren't centre halves though.
In terms of centre halves, we had Benno who was going to miss games, McCarthy and McLoughlin. We brought in Barry (as you said above average and experienced) and Danny Kane, and Irish u21. For me, those were reasonable signings and cover. Obviously, it hasn't worked quite as well as you'd hope. Kane isn't getting a look in despite starting for the u21s, so must not be showing enough in training yet. Barry has been disappointing and Benno out injured. McLoughlin has been fantastic, and showing he was an excellent signing last summer. Mccarthy has been fairly solid when he's started centre half, but inexperienced.
We've given away stupid goals, and we haven't had a settled back 4 at any point but we've still the second best defensive record so can't complain too much really. Just need to get a settled pair in there for now.
Ezeikial
15/04/2018, 4:30 PM
I suppose you could level similar-ish criticism at Dundalk signing Stephen Folan, but to me he's more established and has more quality than both Rowling and Horgan (certainly Horgan anyway). Dundalk have also signed Daniel Cleary, who looks absolutely quality and they have Hoare and Gartland coming back from injury.
Daniel Cleary came in for his debut in the 2nd league match of the season, against Shamrock Rovers, and has held his place since. I can't see anyone displacing him.
Stephen Folan has played more games than either Brian Gartland or Sean Hoare combined in a defence that has conceded only 1 goal in 10 league matches. Although injuries to the latter two have hindered their availability - Sean Hoare should reclaim his place once fit - Stephen Folan has played very well, with the possible exception of last week against Shamrock Rovers.
Stephen Folan has been an excellent signing
Ezeikial
15/04/2018, 5:01 PM
Horgan and Tobi aren't centre halves though.
In terms of centre halves, we had Benno who was going to miss games, McCarthy and McLoughlin. We brought in Barry (as you said above average and experienced) and Danny Kane, and Irish u21. For me, those were reasonable signings and cover. Obviously, it hasn't worked quite as well as you'd hope. Kane isn't getting a look in despite starting for the u21s, so must not be showing enough in training yet. Barry has been disappointing and Benno out injured. McLoughlin has been fantastic, and showing he was an excellent signing last summer. Mccarthy has been fairly solid when he's started centre half, but inexperienced.
We've given away stupid goals, and we haven't had a settled back 4 at any point but we've still the second best defensive record so can't complain too much really. Just need to get a settled pair in there for now.
Considering that Cork have been forced into a completely new back 4 compared to the early part of last season, it is remarkable that the defensive record is so good - perhaps it is down to the midfield protection from McCormack and Morrissey?
Shane Griffin and Aaron Barry coming in for O'Connor and Delaney seemed a reasonable solution, but Bennett having fitness problems along with Caulfields apparent reluctance to select Steven Beattie at right back have hardly helped with getting a settled defense.
The situation with Danny Kane is strange as is the signing of a squad of rights backs and then regularly playing a centre half out of position there
If Bennett remains injured and Barry out of form, Cork are likely to struggle at centre back. Sean McLaughlin appears to have done well but I doubt that a McLaughlin-McCarthy combination or a McLaughlin-Barry partnership will be good enough against the better sides
Or is McCarthy a player who is improving quickly?
Who is likely to be the "settled pair"?
McCormack and Morrissey have actually been very poor this season we've gotten lucky in some games and as well as that teams in general are lacking quality finishers.
The Beattie situation, he got injured. When he was fit last week, the defence had kept 3 clean sheets, so caulfield understandably wanted to reward that by keeping them playing. But mccarthy isn't a right back.
Danny Kane is a weird one, he's not even making the bench most games. Obviously we don't see him in training and it could be a fitness thing where he's not at the level expected but I genuinely don't know.
As for who the settled pair should be, I genuinely don't know. It's a lot to ask of mccarthy, but he's looked more solid than Barry so will likely hold the spot for now anyway
Ezeikial
15/04/2018, 5:30 PM
McCormack and Morrissey have actually been very poor this season we've gotten lucky in some games and as well as that teams in general are lacking quality finishers.
The Beattie situation, he got injured. When he was fit last week, the defence had kept 3 clean sheets, so caulfield understandably wanted to reward that by keeping them playing. But mccarthy isn't a right back.
Danny Kane is a weird one, he's not even making the bench most games. Obviously we don't see him in training and it could be a fitness thing where he's not at the level expected but I genuinely don't know.
As for who the settled pair should be, I genuinely don't know. It's a lot to ask of mccarthy, but he's looked more solid than Barry so will likely hold the spot for now anyway
Unless Bennett is fit for the visit of Dundalk on Friday week, I fully expect Pat Hoban will traumatise either a Barry - McLaughlin or a McCarthy - McLaughlin combination
I'm not surprised to see McCarthy and McLoughlin playing so much for Cork City this season. Dunleavy and Bennett are crocked. Their defensive signings in the off-season were underwhelming IMO. Colm Horgan is nowhere near good enough for a team with Cork City's ambitions, at times he stood out as being poor in a team commonly fighting relegation. Tobi Rowling had a good first season at Sligo but his second was a disaster on all fronts and Aaron Barry is an above average centre-back in the Premier Division, he's 25/26 now, I don't see him improving a whole lot honestly.
I suppose you could level similar-ish criticism at Dundalk signing Stephen Folan, but to me he's more established and has more quality than both Rowling and Horgan (certainly Horgan anyway). Dundalk have also signed Daniel Cleary, who looks absolutely quality and they have Hoare and Gartland coming back from injury.
I think Folan has been a decent signing and he was probably unlucky to have been dropped for the 3rd game v Cork at the expense of Hoare, who since got injured but ready to come back now. I'd definitely consider Cleary and Hoare to be Dundalk's first choice pairing at th back if all 4 are fit, could be a long way back for Gartland but we could have 50+ games this season, cover will be needed in all positions.
Ezeikial
15/04/2018, 6:14 PM
I think Folan has been a decent signing and he was probably unlucky to have been dropped for the 3rd game v Cork at the expense of Hoare, who since got injured but ready to come back now. I'd definitely consider Cleary and Hoare to be Dundalk's first choice pairing at th back if all 4 are fit, could be a long way back for Gartland but we could have 50+ games this season, cover will be needed in all positions.
The comparison and contrasts between Gartland and Bennett are right there.
Both have been injured this season.
Gartland is now fit but will find it very difficult to get back in ahead of any of the 3 others you mentioned because of how well they are playing currently.
Bennett seems to be struggling for fitness and desperately needed back by Cork because of the weaknesses in the defence, even if the goals against record is fairly respectable.
Unless Bennett is fit for the visit of Dundalk on Friday week, I fully expect Pat Hoban will traumatise either a Barry - McLaughlin or a McCarthy - McLaughlin combination
I'd imagine you're right.
No question Dundalk are the stronger defensively at the moment.
patrickccfc
16/04/2018, 9:16 PM
https://twitter.com/WaterfordFCie/status/985986969527377920?s=19
Waterford appealing the bans for Aborah and Hery
Has any team had 4 midfielders banned at the same time before?
White Horse
19/04/2018, 6:51 PM
Hery’s suspension down from four to three games and Aborah’s from six to four games.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/0419/955803-waterford-successful-with-appeal-as-bans-are-reduced/
Waterford have been partially successful in appealing bans arising from the "Battle at the RSC".
disgruntled
19/04/2018, 8:17 PM
Hery’s suspension down from four to three games and Aborah’s from six to four games.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/0419/955803-waterford-successful-with-appeal-as-bans-are-reduced/
Waterford have been partially successful in appealing bans arising from the "Battle at the RSC".
Fair enough.
Hopefully everyone learned their lesson & we move on.
patrickccfc
19/04/2018, 9:08 PM
You know what this means right? Hery can play in Monday's game... against Cork City
disgruntled
19/04/2018, 9:54 PM
You know what this means right? Hery can play in Monday's game... against Cork City
I've no problem with that.
patrickccfc
19/04/2018, 10:45 PM
I've no problem with that.
Me neither, it's just ironic.
Me neither, it's just ironic.
About as ironic as an Alanis Morissette song.
micls
21/04/2018, 12:49 PM
Colm Horgan is nowhere near good enough for a team with Cork City's ambitions.
Really stepped up since he's come in. MOTM last two games!
Olander
21/04/2018, 5:17 PM
Really stepped up since he's come in. MOTM last two games!
Glad to hear that Colm is doing well. Don't get me wrong, great guy, very honest professional and hard worker, but a very ordinary Premier Division player. I hope he keeps it up but doubt he will to be honest - he should do better surrounded by better players at least.
mcgonigle
21/04/2018, 9:12 PM
Glad to hear that Colm is doing well. Don't get me wrong, great guy, very honest professional and hard worker, but a very ordinary Premier Division player. I hope he keeps it up but doubt he will to be honest - he should do better surrounded by better players at least.
Hope he plays next week, I'd be confident with Duffy up against him.
Hope he plays next week, I'd be confident with Duffy up against him.
Would you not be confident with Duffy against anyone in his current form? He'll definitely play next week. I think the two young lads will start centre half too. We've been very solid at the back since they came it. A lot of pressure of course, but huge opportunity for them
Ezeikial
22/04/2018, 8:28 AM
Would you not be confident with Duffy against anyone in his current form? He'll definitely play next week. I think the two young lads will start centre half too. We've been very solid at the back since they came it. A lot of pressure of course, but huge opportunity for them
I presume by the two young lads you mean Conor McCarthy and Seán McLoughlin. If they are the centre back pairing, I expect Pat Hoban will be a bigger test than either have experienced so far - how they cope is likely to have a big impact on the outcome.
I also suspect that John Caulfield will want to vary the tactical approach or formation to provide more protection for Horgan or whoever plays at right back - Michael Duffy is in frightening form
Yep, no question it'l be their toughest test so far.
Shep always does a fair amount of defensive work anyway, so not sure the formation will change too much. Buckley could come back in to give a bit more protection in the middle, we've been struggling there.
Yossarian
22/04/2018, 9:23 AM
Shep always does a fair amount of defensive work anyway, so not sure the formation will change too much. Buckley could come back in to give a bit more protection in the middle, we've been struggling there.
I thought the view from Cork was that Buckley being suspended was a good thing, at least that’s the impression that was given on here.
micls
22/04/2018, 10:46 AM
I thought the view from Cork was that Buckley being suspended was a good thing, at least that’s the impression that was given on here.
From fans yes, from Caulfield no.
Personally, I'm happier when we play without him. But JC is a big fan, and he does offer more defensively than others. My issue is that I don't think we need to be that defensive against most teams.
That said, the middle 2 have been struggling, so I won't be overly annoyed to see Buckley start for his work rate. Personally if were going that route though I'd have Jimmy ahead of him
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