LoI Fixture 6-7 April

[gormacha]

I am way too long in the tooth for blinkered "my club can do no wrong" bull5hit. I hate that kind of tribalism. It's childish and pretty pathetic.

It's pretty clear there was some knuckle-headed stuff going on from both clubs, but the following does not seem to be in dispute in any account so far:

- Héry is time-wasting.

- This infuriates Caulfield, who enters the field of play. This is presented by Cork fans as him just retrieving the ball, and by Waterford fans as more aggressive than this. There is photographic evidence on the web. I leave it to others to make their own mind up. The incursion is not in dispute though.

- Héry reacts by pushing Caulfield.

- Cork's team and bench reacts to the push.

- Waterford's team and bench reacts to the Cork reaction.

Now, if this is the accurate sequence of events, as it appears to be, whilst the behaviour of everyone should be under scrutiny and is not beyond criticism, the trigger is Caulfield's entry on to the field of play. Some will point to Héry's time-wasting, but this strikes me as a red herring, as players time waste at the end of every game, everywhere, now and always. It's a punishable offence, based on the referee's judgement. But as a manager, you can't react by coming on the pitch. People's behaviour from that point on was poor and I would not wish to excuse it, but the trigger is obvious.

I expect a touch line ban for Caulfield, and three game suspensions for those that received red cards. Harder to know the fate of Alan Reynolds, as his role is less clear.

[micls]

Funny how two groups of people can see the same incident and see it completely differently. Football eh.

The 'brawl' incident started with the waterford bench, and Reynolds, refusing to give the ball back to Griffin. Hery kicked it away, Caulfield went on the pitch to get it for a quick throw, Hery pushed him over, everyone piled on. Reynolds, Caulfield, Hery, Aborah, Buckley and Beattie all sent off.

Caulfield was sent off for encroachment, which he shouldn't have done and he admits. The 'tackle' rubbish above is nonsense.

Not sure what Reynolds was off for, maybe refusing to give the ball back initially, or maybe he got involved later?
Players reacted idiotically, we're lucky with the 2 that ended up sent off. Beattie hasn't been playing and we're better when Buckley doesn't play.
Waterford will miss Hery for the couple of games, he was excellent.
Sounds like the antics continued down the tunnel too so who knows what will come of it

Apart from the idiotic handbags from man children, we dominated the first half and should have put it to bed. We can't keep missing the chances we're missing if we're to have any hope of winning anything.

At the other end, stupid goals to be giving away too.

We haven't clicked at all this season yet, players are being played out of position and we haven't yet put in a decent performance for a full 90. It's a bit mad that there's only 2 points in it given that.

Enjoyed the dundalk rovers game, good open game. Happy to see Dundalks clean sheet record gone anyway. Rovers have a lot of potential but they'll win nothing without a decent keeper. It's every game at this point.

Dundalk are in an excellent position now. Starting to click, playing well, and none of the rest seeming to play particularly well at the moment. Can't say I'm looking forward to the Dundalk Rovers Friday Monday games in a few weeks, the way we're currently playing.

[sulywaterfordfc]

Vigouroix was sent here on loan despite been Swindons player of the season in league one last year because he’d a falling out with the manager at Christmas and he then refused to pick him. Power is paying his wages and his the highest paid player in league in reportedly on £4,000 a week, Power turned down a bid for £450,000 in January as he rates him highly and has a bigger fee on him. Power sent him over here to get game time, I don’t think the management had much of a say. Regardless he’s better then what’s here and the best in the league in my opinion. He is the third player to come on loan from Swindon since Power took over. The previous two were for half a season and this is said to be that length also.

Personally I’ve only seen Colbert once this season didn’t really fancy him but he’s still young and has time on his side.

[gormacha]

They've sent lots of players on loan over there (I don't know why exactly, but that's a different thread!)


I'm open to correction, but I think there's only been three sent on loan. Tom Smith (who played very well in the first half of last season, but was then recalled); some other lad whose name I've forgotten, who made no impact; and Vigouroux.

[oriel]

Thought it was an excellent game last night at oriel park. Two sides getting stuck into each other and both having decent spells being on top, good MF battle too with Benson/Shields v Bolger/Finn. I thought Shields was excellent, he put in some amount of work, his only flaw is that odd poor pass but he fairly covers the ground to make up for that, his first league goal in 5 years too I heard.

I wouldn't blame the Rovers keeper for the first goal, that had a fair bit of power in the first shot, but he was dreadful for the second, nothing more than a probing cross by Shields and on the ground.

Rovers might consider themselves unlucky not have got anything out of the game, that was a good spell for them last 20 and they also hit the bar, but Dundalk hit the woodwork twice and managed the game out and deserved the win. I also have the feeling Dundalk haven't fully got into gear yet, but nice to get back on top of the table after 9 games, even on GD which shows how hard it has been.

Ps ridiculous comments earlier bout Rogers, he's still the only keeper in the country yet to concede a league goal who has played in every game up to last night. He'll also rack up one of the highest euro appearances this season, comparisons to other keepers is fine, but you have to take into account achievements also, 3 titles for Rogers for starters.

On the Waterford v Cork game, will be very interesting to see the highlights and bans handed out for that chaos at the end, any manager coming onto the pitch and to get involved in those type of incidents can expect to get a lengthy ban.

[Ezeikial]

I'm open to correction, but I think there's only been three sent on loan. Tom Smith (who played very well in the first half of last season, but was then recalled); some other lad whose name I've forgotten, who made no impact; and Vigouroux.

Jake Evans?

Both Tom Smith and Jake Evans played in 3-0 defeat by Dundalk in the 2017 EA Sports Cup quarter final in Oriel Park. Smith was decent and Evans anonymous. Great travelling support that night from Waterford

[pineapple stu]

I'm open to correction, but I think there's only been three sent on loan. Tom Smith (who played very well in the first half of last season, but was then recalled); some other lad whose name I've forgotten, who made no impact; and Vigouroux.
Fair enough. It feels like more. Smith was very good alright, albeit in the First Division. Vigoroux is definitely an unusually high-profile player for the LoI. (Played for Liverpool against UCD back in 2015 incidentally, and possibly against Waterford too, as ye played Liverpool a few days before we did)

[gormacha]

Jake Evans?

Both Tom Smith and Jake Evans played in 3-0 defeat by Dundalk in the 2017 EA Sports Cup quarter final in Oriel Park. Smith was decent and Evans anonymous. Great travelling support that night from Waterford

Yes, that was his name. Nice spot. Seemed game enough, but made no impact. Got played a bit in pre-season (did ok v Limerick iirc) and in the League Cup, may even have made a couple of league appearances, but made little headway.

[gormacha]

Vigoroux is definitely an unusually high-profile player for the LoI.

Indeed he is. The relative performance of the two keepers was the difference between the sides against Shamrock Rovers. We're obviously resigned to losing him in the English off season, but make hay whilst etc.

[nigel-harps1954]

Caulfield was sent off for encroachment, which he shouldn't have done and he admits. The 'tackle' rubbish above is nonsense.



There's quite a number of videos and photos doing the rounds of Caulfields tackle on Hery.

https://foot.ie/attachment.php?attachmentid=2662&stc=1

[micls]

? That's a photo of Hery pushing Caulfield over. He's falling backwards, hence the leg up. Would be great to see a decent video of you have a link though?

Edit : looking at a grainy video and looks like you're right, it is from the before the push.

[White Horse]

A manager on the field of play, tackling, and fouling a player?

Caulfield has got away with disgraceful behaviour on the touchline for years. It is no wonder he thinks he can get away with this.

[micls]

This is the clearest video Ive seen https://www.facebook.com/michael.moch87/videos/1933690816664710/. Caulfield in for a long ban i think, as are a few others.

[oriel]

'Hostile' atmospheres away from home don't suit him, he complained of this in Dundalk last month too, good luck to him going away to a tough euro team if thinks Irish grounds are challenging.

[micls]

Can't see specifically what Aborah, Beattie Buckley or Reynolds specifically did for the reds, but they were all riled up. Ref did the usual, send off the same amount from each side stuff.

[White Horse]

Can't see specifically what Aborah, Beattie Buckley or Reynolds specifically did for the reds, but they were all riled up. Ref did the usual, send off the same amount from each side stuff.

Was that Mark McNulty in the thick of things a couple of seconds in? The lad has a quick pair of heels.

I suspect the FAI will throw the book at both Hery and Caulfield. That will hurt Waterford a lot more than Cork. Everything else looks like handbags, though the TV coverage might show up more details.

[micls]

Was that Mark McNulty in the thick of things a couple of seconds in? The lad has a quick pair of heels.

I suspect the FAI will throw the book at both Hery and Caulfield. That will hurt Waterford a lot more than Cork. Everything else looks like handbags, though the TV coverage might show up more details.

Looked like everyone was in there, saw the Waterford keeper too.

[Crosshead]

Caulfield has got away with disgraceful behaviour on the touchline for years. It is no wonder he thinks he can get away with this.

I keep seeing this argument being made with no examples given. For what it's worth the most egregious sideline behaviour I've seen this season, last night aside, was Bradley at the Cross and nothing was done about it.

Saw another video of the incident, or the aftermath. As Buckley is walking to the tunnel after he gets his red, a Waterford player comes up to him and starts on him unprovoked. Don't know who the Waterford player is.


I suspect the FAI will throw the book at both Hery and Caulfield. That will hurt Waterford a lot more than Cork.

Agree. Buckley seeing red might force Caulfield to drop this notion of playing McNamee wide right to accommodate him too.

[gormacha]

Looked like everyone was in there, saw the Waterford keeper too.

That's clearly not the case. As the brawl starts, McNulty is immediately in the fray - running from his goal, straight into the action, when he has to be pulled away. In contrast, the camera shows Vigeroux walking slowly towards the crowd of players without ever actually getting to where the brawl is going on. He then says something to Caulfield, and then runs back to his goal, where he remains.

I say this not in a "my club did nothing wrong" sense (I think Héry was wrong to push Caulfield, for example), but to point out that your comment is totally inaccurate.

Is it not possible to look at events and accurately call out poor behaviour, even when it comes from your own club? And to avoid inaccurately calling out a blameless player?

[micls]

That's clearly not the case. As the brawl starts, McNulty is immediately in the fray - running from his goal, straight into the action, when he has to be pulled away. In contrast, the camera shows Vigeroux walking slowly towards the crowd of players without ever actually getting to where the brawl is going on. He then says something to Caulfield, and then runs back to his goal, where he remains.

I say this not in a "my club did nothing wrong" sense (I think Héry was wrong to push Caulfield, for example), but to point out that your comment is totally inaccurate.

Is it not possible to look at events and accurately call out poor behaviour, even when it comes from your own club? And to avoid inaccurately calling out a blameless player?

Bizarre. I said I saw the Waterford keeper involved too,he did come up to get involved, for whatever reason. You said yourself he said something to caulfield. What do you think he was doing? Asking him how he was feeling?

There was also more than just Hery with blame on your side. Both sides acted like a gang of schoolchildren. They didn't even let it go as players were trying to walk down the tunnel. Aborah tried to get started on Buckley as he tried to walk off, and was pulled away by ye're staff. There were idiots on both sides.

Nults saw his manager get pushed and ran in, along with every other one of our players. Hardly a surprise, although I wish the lot of them had a bit more sense.

I have no issue calling put poor behaviour from our side, I think they were all absolute morons.

I imagine Caulfield and Hery are in for serious bans. The others sent off it will depend on what video is around, didn't see what they did really

[Ezeikial]

I keep seeing this argument being made with no examples given. For what it's worth the most egregious sideline behaviour I've seen this season, last night aside, was Bradley at the Cross and nothing was done about it.



I suppose it depends on what you see as being disgraceful behaviour. I suspect that White Horse was relating to the normal or consistent sideline behaviour of managers, as opposed to the type of egregious incidents like last night (or the Stephen Bradley inspired sideline ruckus where Dean Dillon got red carded in Rovers v Dundalk match last season)

From what I have seen the Cork and Shamrock Rovers benches exhibit the most belligerent and raucous behaviour of any of the PD teams. Aggressively challenging decisions, constantly arguing with 4th officials and linesman, exaggerated demands for cards for opposing players, leaving the designated zone, having several coaches on their feet simultaneously and general aggression appears to be the normal behaviour. This bellicose and undisciplined attitude often translates to the players on the pitch.

John Caulfield and Stephen Bradley are among the most consistent in pushing this to the edge and beyond

[placid casual]

are you not able to join the dots there Ezekial?

Aggressively challenging decisions, constantly arguing with 4th officials and linesman, exaggerated demands for cards for opposing players, leaving the designated zone, having several coaches on their feet simultaneously and general aggression appears to be the normal behaviour. bradley & caulfield exhibiting all this whilst playing against dundalk?

take your time.

[Ezeikial]

I expect Rovers will create chances and maybe even score, but I certainly don't expect a positive approach.
I fully expect Rovers to take a cautious attitude. be physical and hope to get a goal from counter attacks, route one ball or set-pieces.

Hat eating time.

Rovers were excellent; far from taking a cautious approach to the game, they had a proper tilt at it.

Dan Carr was a real handful and seems to have settled well. To my surprise Pico Lopez did well against Patrick Hoban. I considered Rovers suspect in defence and blunt in attack, but apart from the obvious goalkeeping farce, Rovers were strong in both departments with a predictable effective midfield.

With a relatively easy fixture list until the end of the month, it should be possible for Rovers to get back on track for a Euro place

[osarusan]

The absence of posts from Limerick or Bohs fans can only mean that they are still speechless as a result of the footballing extravaganza served up in Dalymount last night.

[Nesta99]

are you not able to join the dots there Ezekial?

Aggressively challenging decisions, constantly arguing with 4th officials and linesman, exaggerated demands for cards for opposing players, leaving the designated zone, having several coaches on their feet simultaneously and general aggression appears to be the normal behaviour. bradley & caulfield exhibiting all this whilst playing against dundalk?

take your time.

A Cork fan has, in the last couple of pages here, singled out Bradley for the behaviour described in Turners Cross. We all have seen what happened with Caulfield in the RSC last night. All points to games v Dundalk as the common denominator.......

The worst managers for antics on the sideline that ive seen were Fenlon and to a lesser extent Foster. There have been livewire managers like Paul Cook who had some self control and managed his own team not the all officials.

[patrickccfc]

Just watched the footage of last night's incident. JC should've never gone on the pitch I don't condone that, but what Hery did was absolutely disgraceful. Caulfield lit the match but Hery poured the petrol and it just blew up then. Be interesting to see what bans are handed out.

On the game, the first half we were very comfortable and at half time there was no indication of what transpired in the second. We were poor overall, but I didn't find anything impressive about Waterford.

Mcnamee is a No.10 and needs to be played there, not out on the wing it just makes no sense to have him there and Shep on the bench.

Very disappointing to come away with nothing, 2 home games now to put it right. Can't afford to drop anything in those games.

[White Horse]

Mcnamee is a No.10 and needs to be played there, not out on the wing it just makes no sense to have him there and Shep on the bench.

Just noticed that. Caulfield is very cautious in big games, particularly away from home. I doubt he is going to change.

He seems to prefer a midfield trio of McCormack, Buckley, and Morrissey. It's not creative enough, in my opinion.

[micls]

Just noticed that. Caulfield is very cautious in big games, particularly away from home. I doubt he is going to change.

He seems to prefer a midfield trio of McCormack, Buckley, and Morrissey. It's not creative enough, in my opinion.

Yep, as we said, Buckley bring suspended could be a blessing in disguise :D

[Ezeikial]

are you not able to join the dots there Ezekial?

Aggressively challenging decisions, constantly arguing with 4th officials and linesman, exaggerated demands for cards for opposing players, leaving the designated zone, having several coaches on their feet simultaneously and general aggression appears to be the normal behaviour. bradley & caulfield exhibiting all this whilst playing against dundalk?

take your time.

I think I got it now - it's always someone else's fault

[placid casual]

to be honest, its probably more annoyance at dundalks mastery of the dark arts, chief protaganist being O'Donnell.

Kenny brought an air of professionalism to dundalk, with fitness, diet, recovery etc etc , but I also think he invested time in educating his players in how to "manage" games
bradley is still very much wet behind the ears in this managment game, and caulfield just pushes out the chip on his shoulder the rest of his countymen also possess.

cracking game last night, it has to be said.

[Crosshead]

I think I got it now - it's always someone else's fault

That's Stephen Kenny's usual line anyway!

[White Horse]

to be honest, its probably more annoyance at dundalks mastery of the dark arts, chief protaganist being O'Donnell.

Kenny brought an air of professionalism to dundalk, with fitness, diet, recovery etc etc , but I also think he invested time in educating his players in how to "manage" games
bradley is still very much wet behind the ears in this managment game, and caulfield just pushes out the chip on his shoulder the rest of his countymen also possess.

cracking game last night, it has to be said.

That was a very disciplined performance from Rovers, even the bench were very calm!

It was the first time where Dundalk have played Rovers in recent seasons, and I came away with the thought that Rovers are building towards something.

Easily the best side we've played this season. Having said that Waterford were missing a number of players when we played them.

[Asterix]

I suppose it depends on what you see as being disgraceful behaviour. I suspect that White Horse was relating to the normal or consistent sideline behaviour of managers, as opposed to the type of egregious incidents like last night (or the Stephen Bradley inspired sideline ruckus where Dean Dillon got red carded in Rovers v Dundalk match last season)

From what I have seen the Cork and Shamrock Rovers benches exhibit the most belligerent and raucous behaviour of any of the PD teams. Aggressively challenging decisions, constantly arguing with 4th officials and linesman, exaggerated demands for cards for opposing players, leaving the designated zone, having several coaches on their feet simultaneously and general aggression appears to be the normal behaviour. This bellicose and undisciplined attitude often translates to the players on the pitch.

John Caulfield and Stephen Bradley are among the most consistent in pushing this to the edge and beyond

https://foot.ie/attachment.php?attachmentid=2663&stc=1

Disgraceful from the dundalk bench last night, Kenny out of the technical area, 3 coaches standing up simultaneously and hoban and connolly getting involved as well for whatever reason.

[White Horse]

Dedication is combing through a recording of a match to spot a manager a couple of inches outside his technical area.

[Charlie Darwin]

Defensively we were all over the place last night. A lot of the credit should go to Carr, whose hold up play was excellent. However, Folan had a mare which eventually affected Cleary beside him. There is no way we could have kept eight consecutive clean sheets with that level of defensive performance.

It was a really good performance by Rovers, very disciplined too.

Its still too easy go get behind their defence on the left. The first goal came from one such move but Dundalk should have capitalised this weakness more.

I don't understand why Bradley didn't go for Cherrie but then again there is a lot about Bradley I don't understand, like why he let Madden go, and why he won't play Aaron Bolger.
Bolger is doing his Leaving Cert so hasn't been involved much as that's more important. As for Cherrie, I don't know if Bradley tried to sign him or not, but he got his move to the league champions so maybe that was his choice.

[Nesta99]

Id agree with WH above! Rovers were the most composed they have been against Dundalk in a while and would have been good value for a point. Bradley was quite subdued on the sideline tbh and there were plenty of calls that the ref let go for both sides but both sides just gon on with it.

[sbgawa]

That was a very disciplined performance from Rovers, even the bench were very calm!

It was the first time where Dundalk have played Rovers in recent seasons, and I came away with the thought that Rovers are building towards something.

Easily the best side we've played this season. Having said that Waterford were missing a number of players when we played them.

And no question dundalk are head and shoulders above anything we've played. Still think we can get back into contention but we need a good run now and then beat cork in Tallaght. Great game last night might even tempt a few barstoolers out. I'm off to watch duffs under 15s see if I can cheer myself up 😀

[Dalymountrower]

Commented in page 3 above, tinnitus from the drum banger also a reason for lack of posts?

[sullanefc]

Big bans coming for the Waterford subs here it seems.
https://twitter.com/RTEsport/status/982645482546704384?s=19

[Ezeikial]

RTE footage from the RSC

https://twitter.com/RTEsport/status/982647803565559808

[micls]

Oh yay, LOI first billing on the sport.....

[mcgonigle]

Good game in Oriel last night, looked like we would run out comfortable winners but credit to Rovers they dug in and can feel unfortunate. The less said about the goalkeeper situation the better.

Honestly don't know where Asterix's cringe worthy posts have come from, that was the most subdued game between the two that I have seen in a long time. There wasn't one bad tackle in the game!

On the Waterford/Cork melee, no doubt Hery was wrong and will get a ban but as much as Cork fans try to deflect it never happens if Caulfield doesn't enter the pitch. Once Hery dribbles off with the ball he's getting booked and the game would have continued. Should be an equally sizeable ban for Caulfield, not that it means much for a manager

[micls]

Good game in Oriel last night, looked like we would run out comfortable winners but credit to Rovers they dug in and can feel unfortunate. The less said about the goalkeeper situation the better.

Honestly don't know where Asterix's cringe worthy posts have come from, that was the most subdued game between the two that I have seen in a long time. There wasn't one bad tackle in the game!

On the Waterford/Cork melee, no doubt Hery was wrong and will get a ban but as much as Cork fans try to deflect it never happens if Caulfield doesn't enter the pitch. Once Hery dribbles off with the ball he's getting booked and the game would have continued. Should be an equally sizeable ban for Caulfield, not that it means much for a manager

Using that logic it would never have happened if Hery hadn't taken the ball away from Griffin, or if the Waterford bench hadn't kept the ball. It also certainly wouldn't have kicked off the way it did if Hery hasn't pushed Caulfield as he walked away.

Caulfield was wrong to enter the pitch, no question, but trying to pin the whole thing on him is nonsense. The violent conduct started with Hery. He doesn't get a pass because Caulfield shouldn't have been there.

[White Horse]

Caulfield was wrong to enter the pitch, no question, but trying to pin the whole thing on him is nonsense. The violent conduct started with Hery. He doesn't get a pass because Caulfield shouldn't have been there.

Hery reacted violently and will bear the brunt of the punishment. Caulfield will get a touchline ban that will make little difference to Cork.

Hery let down Waterford. They can ill afford to do without him.

When the celebrations die down, Waterford fans should give that some thought.

[mcgonigle]

Using that logic it would never have happened if Hery hadn't taken the ball away from Griffin, or if the Waterford bench hadn't kept the ball. It also certainly wouldn't have kicked off the way it did if Hery hasn't pushed Caulfield as he walked away.

Caulfield was wrong to enter the pitch, no question, but trying to pin the whole thing on him is nonsense. The violent conduct started with Hery. He doesn't get a pass because Caulfield shouldn't have been there.

I never gave him a pass but you already know that.

The things you mentioned happen in most games a sub on a bench holding onto the ball , a player kicking or dribbling the ball away, the ref deals with it and the game continues. What Caulfield did was unprecedented which is why he should shoulder most of the blame.

Be interesting to see what comes out of it, I presume footage cannot be reviewed and bans will only be dished out based the refs report? If footage can be reviewed a lot of players could be in trouble. For instance there's a still of what looks like McNulty punching Hery, I would imagine there would be plenty more of that on both sides.

Best thing would probably be a 12 point deduction for both, only fair way really

[Ezeikial]

Derry move to 5th place and within a point of Shamrock Rovers with 2 games in hand. Sligo 0-2 Derry

[gormacha]

Caulfield was wrong to enter the pitch, no question, but trying to pin the whole thing on him is nonsense.

I'd say the amount of people outside of Cork City fans who would agree with this point is minimal. Everything else up to Caulfield's incursion is within normal expectations for a match - as infuriating as Waterford's time-wasting might have bene, it's standard operating procedure as the clock winds down. And of course no-one is "trying to pin the whole thing on him" - there were multiple guilty parties - but he's the catalyst.


The violent conduct started with Hery. He doesn't get a pass because Caulfield shouldn't have been there.

This is a straw man argument. No-one is suggesting Héry gets a pass. And he didn't, and he won't. He got a red, and will rightly get a ban for violent conduct.

A genuine non-trolling question for you: if the roles had been reversed and Alan Reynolds had run on to the pitch and it all kicked off in a similar manner, would you be arguing it wasn't his fault?

[dong]

Derry move to 5th place and within a point of Shamrock Rovers with 2 games in hand. Sligo 0-2 Derry

This needs drastic action before we are cut adrift.

[patrickccfc]

A genuine non-trolling question for you: if the roles had been reversed and Alan Reynolds had run on to the pitch and it all kicked off in a similar manner, would you be arguing it wasn't his fault?

Same thing would apply really, Reynolds would've been wrong for entering the pitch and our player shouldn't have acted in such a violent manner.

[oriel]

Caulfield was wrong to enter the pitch, no question, but trying to pin the whole thing on him is nonsense. The violent conduct started with Hery. He doesn't get a pass because Caulfield shouldn't have been there.

I think most would accept that Caulfield started the whole damn thing ! Hery reaction warranted a red but a manager on the pitch involved with an altercation with a player ? Caulfield should expect the worst in my view, another thing if he gets it, but absolutely no need for him to have got involved in the first place. He ended up looking like a fool, this is a pretty experienced manager and he should have known better. The pressure is obviously getting to him.

I still haven't seen footage to see why Reynolds was sent to the stands, maybe verbals?