LoI Fixture 6-7 April [Archive] - Page 6

Pablo Escobar

10/04/2018, 8:45 AM

I didnt note before but Hery did slap the ball out of a Cork players hands and then dribble it away before Caulfield went after the ball which slighly changes the context of Caulfields reaction.

I agree with this. You could even go a step further back say that if the Waterford bench didn't interfere with the ball that Griffen tried to retrieve, then none of it would have happened. Everything else that followed was ludicrous. I've never felt so sick leaving a game.

I get the feeling that the next game with Waterford is one that we will be eyeing, probably for the first time in a very long time.

gormacha

10/04/2018, 9:15 AM

If you want to go down that road take a look at all the people on the pitch after Waterfords winner.

You could even go a step further back say that if the Waterford bench didn't interfere with the ball that Griffen tried to retrieve, then none of it would have happened.

Ah lads. Would you ever have a look at where ye're going with this now!

Pablo Escobar

10/04/2018, 9:28 AM

Ah lads. Would you ever have a look at where ye're going with this now!

Right to the beginning? I would have fully preferred that the whole thing didn't happen. It left a bad taste.

I don't actually think we were ever going to score anyway. The game plan didn't really make any sense. Teams have worked out that Conor McCarthy is uncomfortable on the ball and just let him have it (he gives it back every time). Morrissey and Buckley were awful on the night, so we replace McCormack........we had no width on the right so we bring on one of the best wingers in the league to play up top instead of our striker, when it has been proven time and time again that he can't play up top.

Waterford now miss MOTM Aborah and, probably their best player, Hery. While we miss Buckley, who needs a spell on the sidelines anyway, and Beattie, who isn't getting his spot at RB for some reason. I think we've come out a little better from the goings-on, but I still wish it didn't happen.

Ezeikial

10/04/2018, 9:43 AM

Waterford now miss MOTM Aborah and, probably their best player, Hery. While we miss Buckley, who needs a spell on the sidelines anyway, and Beattie, who isn't getting his spot at RB for some reason. I think we've come out a little better from the goings-on, but I still wish it didn't happen.

The juvenile nature of many Cork folk is summed up in this paragraph

gormacha

10/04/2018, 9:45 AM

I think we've come out a little better from the goings-on

That is undoubtedly true, which adds to the frustration as to how and why events unfolded. It has the potential to derail us for a while at least. I think our mid four diamond is as good a midfield as there is in the country, but as I commented before the Cork game, all it takes is a couple of injuries or suspensions to undermine us as our squad depth is, er, not very deep.

If they get three games (and H�ry runs the risk of more, which I think would be excessive, but it's possible), then the affected games will probably be away to Derry (who are playing really well), away to Pats (ditto) and home to Bray (well...). We could easily drop six points or even worse. Eeek

Pablo Escobar

10/04/2018, 9:53 AM

The juvenile nature of many Cork folk is summed up in this paragraph

"Better" is a relative term.

As for more intelligent comment from gormacha, that's exactly what I meant.

El-Pietro

10/04/2018, 10:02 AM

Ah lads. Would you ever have a look at where ye're going with this now!
Just wanted to point out that the argument that John Caulfield is some kind of a monster for entering the field of play is ridiculous.

ToberonaTornado

10/04/2018, 10:50 AM

When hell's fires have burned out and purgatory is past its sell by date -
this thread .... :rolleyes:

:(:o

Mr A

10/04/2018, 11:27 AM

Been doing a house move recently. Some time in the past couple of days I damaged the big toe nail on my left foot but didn't notice much, and then last night it caught in the carpet and tore in half.

That was considerably less painful than reading through this thread. Talk about mountains made out of molehills, this is the entire Himalayas made out of the bumps on a used novelty condom.

FFS.

Kiki Balboa

10/04/2018, 11:33 AM

Seems to be a lot of faux outrage about the incident, especially on Caulfield. Reminds me on how EPL fans talk about an incident :/ Incident was sorted during the game, suspensions will follow as it should.

Ezeikial

10/04/2018, 12:14 PM

The juvenile nature of many Cork folk is summed up in this paragraph

"Better" is a relative term.

As for more intelligent comment from gormacha, that's exactly what I meant.

Ok so -

The juvenile nature of many Cork folk is better summed up in this paragraph

GCdfc

10/04/2018, 12:21 PM

Right to the beginning? I would have fully preferred that the whole thing didn't happen. It left a bad taste.

I already went right back quite a long way to where apes evolved to humans. Do you want to go back to the big bang and blame it?

redobit

10/04/2018, 12:57 PM

Derry City beat Sligo Rovers cause they were just a bit less sh1te. 2 sh1te teams.

Pablo Escobar

10/04/2018, 1:08 PM

Ok so -

The juvenile nature of many Cork folk is better summed up in this paragraph

:D

I'm certain that the irony is lost on you here.

Ezeikial

10/04/2018, 1:31 PM

:D

I'm certain that the irony is lost on you here.

"Certain" is such a strong word

blueblood

10/04/2018, 3:06 PM

BUt we have all admitted that Caulfield did wrong. No one is suggesting he didn't. We just think Hery is the one who escalates it into violence. You are just choosing to believe that its Caufields fault Hery pushed him.

If Hery didn't push Caufield no one would have been sent off, JC would have gotten a warning and thats it. If Hery pushes Caufield and no one else reacts Hery still gets sent off.
Didn't Caulfield KICK a Waterford player on the pitch tho?????? Simple!!!!!

Real ale Madrid

10/04/2018, 3:30 PM

Didn't Caulfield KICK a Waterford player on the pitch tho?????? Simple!!!!!

Tried to stab him I heard - he had a little pocket knife he uses to threaten rte if they come near him for an interview during games. With this match not on TV we can only presume this was a pre-meditated murder attempt on the flamboyant frenchman.

sbgawa

10/04/2018, 4:22 PM

Apparently Cork city FC have advised Waterford that due to roadworks in Cork the Waterford team bus has to arrive to Turners cross via a place called Beal Na Blath for the EA sports cup game

patrickccfc

10/04/2018, 4:40 PM

Apparently Cork city FC have advised Waterford that due to roadworks in Cork the Waterford team bus has to arrive to Turners cross via a place called Beal Na Blath for the EA sports cup game

The game is being played in the RSC

Real ale Madrid

10/04/2018, 4:42 PM

The game is being played in the RSC

Venue changed to Burgery im told.

blueblood

10/04/2018, 4:55 PM

Tried to stab him I heard - he had a little pocket knife he uses to threaten rte if they come near him for an interview during games. With this match not on TV we can only presume this was a pre-meditated murder attempt on the flamboyant frenchman.

Ah now he didn't that's just silly. But he did kick/assault a player and deservedly ended up on his ass 😂😂😂 . Or in Caulfields imaginary world he just went to PICK the ball up God bless him the poor misfortune!!!

Real ale Madrid

10/04/2018, 4:58 PM

Ah now he didn't that's just silly. But he did kick/assault a player and deservedly ended up on his ass �� . Or in Caulfields imaginary world he just went to PICK the ball up God bless him the poor misfortune!!!

I prefer my story its funnier (subjective I know) , both however are based on a fantasy.

sbgawa

10/04/2018, 6:03 PM

The game is being played in the RSC

Never let the truth spoil a good story :)

dong

10/04/2018, 6:45 PM

Derry City beat Sligo Rovers cause they were just a bit less sh1te. 2 sh1te teams.

There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about and that is not being talked about.

Oscar Wilde

Remember this ye Cork fans.

TonyD

10/04/2018, 8:49 PM

Stephen Kenny ran onto the pitch at Richmond last night to retrieve the ball. Just saying.:p

micls

10/04/2018, 8:54 PM

Stephen Kenny ran onto the pitch at Richmond last night to retrieve the ball. Just saying.:p

How many were sent off in the resulting brawl?

mcgonigle

10/04/2018, 9:09 PM

Stephen Kenny ran onto the pitch at Richmond last night to retrieve the ball. Just saying.:p

This is true and I was actually relieved to see it. I was starting to question his desire as on 2 or 3 occasions Marky ran off with the ball to time waste and Kenny stayed in his technical area, he could have at least thrown him an elbow or something.

sbgawa

10/04/2018, 10:24 PM

Dundalks disciplinary record this season is shocking ...apparantly they conceded 8 penos against pats.
Kenny should resign with discipline breaking down like that....and thats before we even talk about his pitch invasion.

Charlie Darwin

10/04/2018, 10:33 PM

Good bet for the cup!
Now that's just vindictive.

Nesta99

10/04/2018, 10:46 PM

Now that's just vindictive.

If Pats can do it.......

Nesta99

10/04/2018, 11:08 PM

I agree with this. You could even go a step further back say that if the Waterford bench didn't interfere with the ball that Griffen tried to retrieve, then none of it would have happened. .

Apart from being able to go back a whole lot of steps and where do you stop, what the Waterford bench did initially would be seen at every game, no different from a keeper scrambling for the ball after a goal to delay the restart especially if there is risk of a comeback on. It doesnt very often end up with a melee and 6 red cards shown. As for whom suggested some rascist angle from Caulfield what a load of horsesh1t!!! Dont know why he said he picked up the ball then got pushed, he didnt get a chance. Of course there are people enjoying the amatuer dramatics, scapegoating, and JC landing on his ass (how many Cork fans would honestly deny having a good smirk if it was Stephen Kenny) - I would bet JC is regrets letting that happen more than anything else as as a player he wasnt shy about throwing his weight around although his reputation was to kick and run. When's the disiplinary panel sitting? Tomorrow i'd presume.

sbgawa

10/04/2018, 11:40 PM

Yep tomorrow.
It's a hard one to call the fai could say it's reputationally bad for league and give out long bans across the board or treat it as handbags and go easy....

Charlie Darwin

10/04/2018, 11:57 PM

sbgawa

11/04/2018, 12:17 AM

If Duffus hadn't scored then Waterford never would have had a league to protect so none of this would have happened. And if he hadn't scored twice against Rovers he may never have had the confidence to score. I think we all know who the real villain is.

Stephen Bradley.

Can't agree ........if Kenny hadn't been sacked by rovers back in the day then bradser would never have been appointed so the real villain is KENNY. Long ban and a points deduction for dundalk. The cork lads were right JUSTICE FOR JOHN CAULFIELD ......let's protest at abbotstown tommorow

Charlie Darwin

11/04/2018, 12:27 AM

Can't agree ........if Kenny hadn't been sacked by rovers back in the day then bradser would never have been appointed so the real villain is KENNY. Long ban and a points deduction for dundalk. The cork lads were right JUSTICE FOR JOHN CAULFIELD ......let's protest at abbotstown tommorow
I'll bring the lighter you douse yourself in petrol.

sbgawa

11/04/2018, 12:35 AM

LoL. Could we maybe just stick with placard or two ??

Nesta99

11/04/2018, 1:51 AM

I'll bring the lighter you douse yourself in petrol.

You need to bring your own Christmas tree to get the full effect!

Charlie Darwin

11/04/2018, 1:53 AM

You need to bring your own Christmas tree to get the full effect!
I have an umbrella I bring everywhere if that's any help?

Pablo Escobar

11/04/2018, 6:33 AM

Apart from being able to go back a whole lot of steps and where do you stop, what the Waterford bench did initially would be seen at every game, no different from a keeper scrambling for the ball after a goal to delay the restart especially if there is risk of a comeback on. It doesnt very often end up with a melee and 6 red cards shown. As for whom suggested some rascist angle from Caulfield what a load of horsesh1t!!! Dont know why he said he picked up the ball then got pushed, he didnt get a chance. Of course there are people enjoying the amatuer dramatics, scapegoating, and JC landing on his ass (how many Cork fans would honestly deny having a good smirk if it was Stephen Kenny) - I would bet JC is regrets letting that happen more than anything else as as a player he wasnt shy about throwing his weight around although his reputation was to kick and run. When's the disiplinary panel sitting? Tomorrow i'd presume.
Agreed. Nobody was innocent. The racist angle was indeed mental. That's a real grenade of a post, I'm amazed it hasn't been called out more.

As for SK falling on his ass.....we can only dream :D

Yeah, the hearing is apparently tomorrow. It'll probably be 3 games for everybody with Hery potentially getting more. Although, at the end of the day, it was handbags.

Calcio Jack

11/04/2018, 7:55 AM

Apart from being able to go back a whole lot of steps and where do you stop, what the Waterford bench did initially would be seen at every game, no different from a keeper scrambling for the ball after a goal to delay the restart especially if there is risk of a comeback on. It doesnt very often end up with a melee and 6 red cards shown. As for whom suggested some rascist angle from Caulfield what a load of horsesh1t!!! Dont know why he said he picked up the ball then got pushed, he didnt get a chance. Of course there are people enjoying the amatuer dramatics, scapegoating, and JC landing on his ass (how many Cork fans would honestly deny having a good smirk if it was Stephen Kenny) - I would bet JC is regrets letting that happen more than anything else as as a player he wasnt shy about throwing his weight around although his reputation was to kick and run. When's the disiplinary panel sitting? Tomorrow i'd presume.

Agree he was always the type to kick and run- same tactic employed last Friday as it was notable how he slinked away once the melee started- as I watched it on Monday couldn’t help but be reminded of Grimer Wormtongue from the book LOTR

Ezeikial

11/04/2018, 7:58 AM

. I think we all know who the real villain is.

Stephen Bradley.

Agreed. Nobody was innocent.

Stephen Bradley is an innocent man.

micls

11/04/2018, 10:10 AM

Agree he was always the type to kick and run- same tactic employed last Friday as it was notable how he slinked away once the melee started- as I watched it on Monday couldn’t help but be reminded of Grimer Wormtongue from the book LOTR

This is brilliant, he's not getting stick for not getting involved in the brawl? Quality stuff.

patrickccfc

11/04/2018, 11:21 AM

I love the part where he's compared to a lord of the rings character

Nesta99

11/04/2018, 12:23 PM

This is brilliant, he's not getting stick for not getting involved in the brawl? Quality stuff.

Ah come on it is what did. Maybe some sense was rattled in after the shove, he could have been sore after being put on his ass, worried about what had kicked off and his role in it, or most likely was feeling a bit sheepish after all of these. He did go to physically retrieve the ball, when he was shoved he also got up and walked calm as you like back to towards the dugouts, in a hoping the ref hadnt noticed what had happened way. Is he the type that wouldnt get stuck in to a melee? It is also true that he was seen as a kick and run player by fellow former LoI players never mind fans and the reputation has stuck obviously for those that remember him playing.

micls

11/04/2018, 12:35 PM

He walked away before he was pushed. He clearly realised he'd screwed up going onto the pitch and tried to walk away. He was pushed, and then continued to get out of the poor situation he was in.

I never got to see him as a player, so couldn't comment. But I'm certainly glad he didn't get stuck into the brawl! I would be disgusted with him if he had done. As a manager, he should have walked away. I'm glad he realised that.

blueblood

11/04/2018, 12:44 PM

micls

11/04/2018, 12:50 PM

Or he shat his pants (not literally I hope ��) when the mad French man turned around to him.

Except, as I said, he had started walking away before the push.

Not that I think it matters a tap what reason he walked away, it was the right call. Getting involved in the brawl would have been unacceptable

blueblood

11/04/2018, 2:31 PM

Except, as I said, he had started walking away before the push.

Not that I think it matters a tap what reason he walked away, it was the right call. Getting involved in the brawl would have been unacceptable

It just looked to me like Caulfield immediately realised he was in trouble for kinking Hery and acted like the cowardly bully boy who finally met his match so tried to back away and then after being embarrasping lyrics knocked onto his ass decided to hide away.

micls

11/04/2018, 2:46 PM

You can keep saying kicking, and maybe that's what you think kicking is in Limerick? Who knows.

But yes, Caulfield clearly realised he shouldn't have encroached on the pitch, and walked away. I'm impressed that you've picked out the person who wasn't violent as the 'bully' of the incident. And the person who actually got aggressive is just a poor victim? Bizarre to say the least.

Caulfield made the wrong decision initially, in trying to get the ball.

He made the right decision in not getting involved or reacting after being pushed. The fact that you're trying to paint this as a negative is laughable. No doubt if he had reacted and gotten involved in the melee you'd slaughter him for that too.

Blame him for what he did, sure. Trying to insult him for what he didn't do, and not getting involved in the scrap, us silly.

Nesta99

11/04/2018, 7:13 PM

If he was walking away initially he was walking away backwards - its is why he ended up being pushed backwards and on his ass. Prior to the melee (of which JC being pushed is claimed was the actual cause of that) what makes you think that he suddenly came to his senses while in the process of trying to get the ball. As soon as he stood straight after his failED attempt to get the ball he took a couple of steps at most back and then got shoved. What provoked the shove by Hery? When the melee kicked off he then walked quietly toward the bench and watched as Vigaroux walked over to speak to Caulfield. Its at that point he seemed to be in a 'oh sh1t!' mode of thinking.