Next Ireland manager?

[backstothewall]

you say this about McCarthy "might rouse the lads initially but it will tail off" and then go on to suggest Rednapp who has done nothing of note in many years???

This would also be the very same Harry Redknapp who stripped Robbie Keane of the captaincy and gave him the heave-ho from Spurs after he took the lads to Dublin for a secret Christmas party? Just a hunch, but i can't see that one working out somehow.

Perhaps a combination of Michael O'Neill and Robbie Keane would be better. I'm not sure how they would work together but it would save printing new initials on their tracksuits.

[backstothewall]

A poll is limited to 20, knock 18 out of that list and I'll add a poll to the thread

Would it be nuts to suggest 2 polls. There are obviously 2 frontrunners for the job, but speaking for myself the 2 things i would find most interesting is would be in who has more support between Kenny v McCarthy, and then who people would go for outside of those 2.

Or is there a means of giving people more than 1 vote <insert nordie joke here>?

[seanfhear]

This would also be the very same Harry Redknapp who stripped Robbie Keane of the captaincy and gave him the heave-ho from Spurs after he took the lads to Dublin for a secret Christmas party? Just a hunch, but i can't see that one working out somehow.

Perhaps a combination of Michael O'Neill and Robbie Keane would be better. I'm not sure how they would work together but it would save printing new initials on their tracksuits.Thats about the only qualification Robbie has as a coach . Is their any evidence that Robbie Keane has any talent as a coach . He has the whinging at Referees ( meow ) in hand alright .

[DeLorean]

Is their any evidence that Robbie Keane has any talent as a coach.

No, there's not. I really hope he's not on the ticket, even for his own sake.

[seanfhear]

This would also be the very same Harry Redknapp who stripped Robbie Keane of the captaincy and gave him the heave-ho from Spurs after he took the lads to Dublin for a secret Christmas party? Just a hunch, but i can't see that one working out somehow.

Perhaps a combination of Michael O'Neill and Robbie Keane would be better. I'm not sure how they would work together but it would save printing new initials on their tracksuits.Harry is too old now in any case . His success was based a lot on signing players coming to the end of their contracts and giving them huge wages . There was no big transfer fee so if it didn’t work out it didn’t look too bad but it was costing the clubs fortunes in big wages / signing on fees . These were very good players who were making fortunes out of this . Ok , he often did get them to play well for him .

The idea that Redknap would get average players to do well for him is pretty fanciful thinking .

[TrapAPony]

There are obviously 2 frontrunners for the job, but speaking for myself the 2 things i would find most interesting is would be in who has more support between Kenny v McCarthy, and then who people would go for outside of those 2.


I would go for McCarthy and I'd agree exactly with what Kevin Kilbane said yesterday on Off the Ball. McCarthy or Allardyce would get instant respect from everyone if they walk in whereas most of the English born lads in the squad would be saying, 'Who is Stephen Kenny?' and he'd have to prove himself...He also said that he has the utmost respect for Brian Kerr but said that Kerr didn't get that much respect from the squad in general when he was in charge.

[Dunners]

you say this about McCarthy "might rouse the lads initially but it will tail off" and then go on to suggest Rednapp who has done nothing of note in many years???



This would also be the very same Harry Redknapp who stripped Robbie Keane of the captaincy and gave him the heave-ho from Spurs after he took the lads to Dublin for a secret Christmas party? Just a hunch, but i can't see that one working out somehow.

Perhaps a combination of Michael O'Neill and Robbie Keane would be better. I'm not sure how they would work together but it would save printing new initials on their tracksuits.

Was suggesting partnerships to consider , wouldn't fancy Redknapp in the role myself - should have made that clear

[DeLorean]

I would go for McCarthy and I'd agree exactly with what Kevin Kilbane said yesterday on Off the Ball. McCarthy or Allardyce would get instant respect from everyone if they walk in whereas most of the English born lads in the squad would be saying, 'Who is Stephen Kenny?'...He even more or less said that he has the utmost respect for Brian Kerr but Kerr didn't get that much respect from the squad in general when he was in charge.

Kilbane was very interesting in light of some of the comments on here, with some thinking the possibility of the players not respecting Kenny straight away was ludicrous. Nathan Murphy seemed perplexed by the notion also but I thought Kilbane made a lot of sense.

[jbyrne]

Kilbane was very interesting in light of some of the comments on here, with some thinking the possibility of the players not respecting Kenny straight away was ludicrous. Nathan Murphy seemed perplexed by the notion also but I thought Kilbane made a lot of sense.

and kilbane is in a much much better place to comment as an ex Ireland player. he completely out argued Murphys point last night on OTB

[brine3]

Yes, I believe people said the same as Kilbane is saying now when Arsenal appointed some unknown Frenchman with very limited playing experience back in 1996.

Killer is good friends with Mick. That is no secret.

[seanfhear]

Yes, I believe people said the same as Kilbane is saying now when Arsenal appointed some unknown Frenchman with very limited playing experience back in 1996.

Killer is good friends with Mick. That is no secret.Does that suggest that Mick wants the Job ? I wonder who Mick would bring in as his assistants . I think he has a regular back up team .

[geysir]

I’d take Killers comment with huge dose of salt, just didn’t sound covincing and even if some half arsed players never heard of Kenny then so what, it’s not a valid reason to relegate Kenny down the pecking order. Managerial nous will always trump an initial impression or prejudice.

[TrapAPony]

Yes, I believe people said the same as Kilbane is saying now when Arsenal appointed some unknown Frenchman with very limited playing experience back in 1996.

Killer is good friends with Mick. That is no secret.

Possibly but Wenger at least managed Monaco for 8 years prior to coming to Arsenal, got to the Champions League semi final and European Cup Winners Cup final & managed top players like Weah, Klinsmann, Hoddle etc during his spell there.

Keith Andrews just said there now (which I would agree with) that there is a risk if you are going to appoint Kenny whereas Mick will likely qualify us for Euro 2020.

[seanfhear]

Maybe Killer is auditioning for an assistant job with Mick ?

[seanfhear]

I wonder had Mick being sounded out un-officially recently ?

[Bungle]

Stephen Kenny is a very good manager. Unfortunately, i do think that premier league and championship would look down their noses at him. Killer is right in that regard. Maybe i'm wrong but that's my gut feeling. The north had poorer players and were at a very low ebb when they appointed michael o'neill, who has shown what a good manager he is.

I personally like mick. He had an awfully tough job replacing Jack and he made us a very competitive team. I got enjoyment out of watching us home and away, unlike the last few years.we played good football under him as well. I know a few lads that came across him and he's very good with young players. Given, we have potentially a golden age bubbling under, i would trust him with them. He did good stuff with our last golden generation imo.

Were chris hughton or michael o'neill available, i would be interested. Carlos Queroz could be interesting too.

My dream team,
Mick and lee carsley as national team manager/assistant and stephen kenny as u21 manager.

If Stephen does well with the u21s as i think he will, then promote him to replace mick. He will have worked with the players that will be in the team then.

[brine3]

Possibly but Wenger at least managed Monaco for 8 years prior to coming to Arsenal, got to the Champions League semi final and European Cup Winners Cup final & managed top players like Weah, Klinsmann, Hoddle etc during his spell there.

Keith Andrews just said there now (which I would agree with) that there is a risk if you are going to appoint Kenny whereas Mick will likely qualify us for Euro 2020.

Why do we think Mick will qualify us? He couldn't qualify us for the Euros when he had Duff, Given, Roy and Robbie Keane, and Denis Irwin. Why would he do any better with a bunch of Championship players?

If it is about getting Championship players to play above themselves, remember that this man set an all time record for the lowest points return in the Premier League.

[jbyrne]

No, there's not. I really hope he's not on the ticket, even for his own sake.

i dont know. if we can have a specialist gk coach why not a striker coach?

[brine3]

If Robbie Keane develops coaching skills at a club first and then wants to be a coach with Ireland in a few years, then he's welcome.

Our international team is not a proving ground for the old boys club.

[DeLorean]

Killer is good friends with Mick. That is no secret.


I’d take Killers comment with huge dose of salt, just didn’t sound covincing and even if some half arsed players never heard of Kenny then so what, it’s not a valid reason to relegate Kenny down the pecking order. Managerial nous will always trump an initial impression or prejudice.

It should probably be noted, for those who didn't hear the discussion, that Kilbane was extremely positive overall about the prospect of Kenny managing Ireland.

[Diggs246]

Does that suggest that Mick wants the Job ? I wonder who Mick would bring in as his assistants . I think he has a regular back up team .
Terry Connor Surely?

[brine3]

It should probably be noted, for those who didn't hear the discussion, that Kilbane was extremely positive overall about the prospect of Kenny managing Ireland.

He was being polite. I watched that clip and he was nothing but a Mick McCarthy cheerleader.

[Kingdom]

Terry Connor Surely?

They sure do go hand-in-hand.

I cannot understand, and maybe I'm just out of the loop when it comes to discussing football, but I cannot understand how we have posters discount Stephen Kenny and then at the same time say they'd take Michael O'neill if he was available. For me that just does not compute.

And when he took over the North, he certainly had a couple of well-established PL players: off the top of my head, Aaron , Steven Davis, Jonny Evans. Even Kyle Lafferty you'd have in the big-time Charlie category.
Maybe the difference is that the English born players the North had in the squad were of a lower calibre, and the stars were 6 county boys, and more likely to support one of their own? But we don't really have that excuse. We have a good majority of LOI lads in the squad.

[tetsujin1979]

Poll added using the current top 20 candidates in the betting
multiple options allowed, please limit yourself to three choices
There's a two week limit, if there are three, or so, clear leaders in a week, I'll close the poll then create a new one with just those three.

[tetsujin1979]

poll might not even be needed for a week
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[nigel-harps1954]

Ugh..

[seanfhear]

poll might not even be needed for a week
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When is the Draw for the Euro’s ? I heard Brian Kerr make the good point that the FAI would like to have a Name / Face for the Draw . It may seem like a small thing but its a little embarrassing not to have a manager to do the necessary ; Media stuff ; after the Draw . Kerr had a point on this .

[liamoo11]

poll might not even be needed for a week
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God I really hope Mick leaves his *****ly superior attitude behind him if he takes the job. This we don't have the players line will be on the tip of his tongue. This can't be some Sean Gallagher vanity project for Mick cause he deserves it cause Roy ****ed him the last time. No high profile assistant please

[brine3]

Decades of rushed decisions, no strategy and repeating the same mistakes.

I couldn't be arsed with this anymore.

[Diggs246]

https://foot.ie/attachment.php?attachmentid=2737&stc=1
They sure do go hand-in-hand.

I cannot understand, and maybe I'm just out of the loop when it comes to discussing football, but I cannot understand how we have posters discount Stephen Kenny and then at the same time say they'd take Michael O'neill if he was available. For me that just does not compute.

And when he took over the North, he certainly had a couple of well-established PL players: off the top of my head, Aaron , Steven Davis, Jonny Evans. Even Kyle Lafferty you'd have in the big-time Charlie category.
Maybe the difference is that the English born players the North had in the squad were of a lower calibre, and the stars were 6 county boys, and more likely to support one of their own? But we don't really have that excuse. We have a good majority of LOI lads in the squad.

[Diggs246]

https://foot.ie/attachment.php?attachmentid=2737&stc=1

looks like somebody, said something mean to Terry and Mick wasn't having it

[osarusan]

I cannot understand, and maybe I'm just out of the loop when it comes to discussing football, but I cannot understand how we have posters discount Stephen Kenny and then at the same time say they'd take Michael O'neill if he was available. For me that just does not compute.

Michael O'Neill has shown he can get the most out of a small pool of limited players by playing organised football...at international level. Kenny hasn't done that.

As I said yesterday, I think the previous accomplishments a manager brings with them to a position help to earn them respect, and buy them time when things aren't going their way. The greater the previous accomplishments, (and the level of those accomplishments) the more the respect, and the longer the players will have faith that the manager has what it takes to sort things out, before they finally conclude that he has actually lost the plot.

Rightly or wrongly, after a string of bad performances and results, I don't think the players would have all that much respect for or faith in Kenny, given the level they are playing at and the level he has managed at.

[DeLorean]

He was being polite. I watched that clip and he was nothing but a Mick McCarthy cheerleader.

That's nonsense, imho

[tetsujin1979]

When is the Draw for the Euro’s ? I heard Brian Kerr make the good point that the FAI would like to have a Name / Face for the Draw . It may seem like a small thing but its a little embarrassing not to have a manager to do the necessary ; Media stuff ; after the Draw . Kerr had a point on this .
from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2020_qualifying#Draw

The qualifying group stage draw will be held on 2 December 2018, 12:00 CET (11:00 local time) at the Convention Centre Dublin in Dublin, Republic of Ireland.

[Kingdom]

"...Just the two of us...."

[tetsujin1979]

He was being polite. I watched that clip and he was nothing but a Mick McCarthy cheerleader.

can you post the clip? Off the ball usually make everything available online.

[brine3]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1ATMkLNl0Q

Kilbane repeatedly repeats the talking point that Kenny is a nobody, and Mick is inspiring. Like a broken record.

[Diggs246]

That's nonsense, imho

I felt he was clearly stating (in a nice way) , that a section of the players didnt respect Kerr on his arrival and the same would happen with Kenny.
Kilbane actually said (all be it in his opinion) the following players wont have a clue who Kenny is : Arter, O'Dowda, Brady, Hendricks

[brine3]

Kilbane also said that Kerr improved him as a player. Which is true. Under Mick it was just stick Killer out on the wing. Kerr developed him into Zinedine. Kilbane helped shut down the French midfield in Paris.

And then Kilbane goes and craps on Kerr.

[nigel-harps1954]

I felt he was clearly stating (in a nice way) , that a section of the players didnt respect Kerr on his arrival and the same would happen with Kenny.
Kilbane actually said (all be it in his opinion) the following players wont have a clue who Kenny is : Arter, O'Dowda, Brady, Hendricks

Nonsense though that none of the players will know who Kenny is.

Dundalks run in Europe gained huge attention across the water. To suggest that Irish born and reared players would have never heard of him either is total nonsense.

The likes of Jeff Hendrick and Robbie Brady were both at St Kevins Boys when Kenny was already a League of Ireland winning and FAI Cup winning manager, and with European experience behind him at Longford, Bohs and Derry. Also had his ill-fated spell at Dunfermline behind him before either of them moved to England.

Often a stick held up to beat Kenny with, but easy to forget, his spell in Scotland was now 12 years ago, when he was still in his mid-30's.

At 47 years of age, he has 20 years of a managerial career behind him.

He's masterminded Dundalks rags to riches story, and is the most suitable candidate for this job in my opinion. He's a risk free option too.

[backstothewall]

I cannot understand, and maybe I'm just out of the loop when it comes to discussing football, but I cannot understand how we have posters discount Stephen Kenny and then at the same time say they'd take Michael O'neill if he was available. For me that just does not compute.

And when he took over the North, he certainly had a couple of well-established PL players: off the top of my head, Aaron , Steven Davis, Jonny Evans. Even Kyle Lafferty you'd have in the big-time Charlie category.
Maybe the difference is that the English born players the North had in the squad were of a lower calibre, and the stars were 6 county boys, and more likely to support one of their own? But we don't really have that excuse. We have a good majority of LOI lads in the squad.

It's about the authority he would command among the players because there is a gaping hole in his experience. Kerr had the same basic problem. So did Stan.

That's not to say that any of the players would ever behave disrespectfully towards him, but it's not going to work if the players doubt the managers knows what he's on about. Even if only subconsciously.

With Stan the issue was that he had no managerial experience. He played his last game on New Years Eve 2005 and was managing a national football team less than 3 weeks later. He had no track record in management at all

Kerr had coaching experience coming out his ears but he had no experience of top level football. He had never worked outside Ireland, either as a player or a coach.

And exactly the same is true of Kenny. Never played outside Ireland. His one go in management outside of Ireland was a disaster. Back with his tail between his legs with a year.

Michael O'Neill had similar levels of success in management as Kenny when he took the NI job, but he had played at a elite level before that. He had 31 international caps.

If Jeff Kenna or Mark Kennedy were enjoying the sort of success Stephen Kenny is as a league of Ireland manager it would probably be a different story.

[nigel-harps1954]

If a player shows no respect, you don't pick them next time. Simple. Anyone who comes in as manager will have to lay down the law straight away. Doesn't matter if he has 50 years top level experience or none.

[TrapAPony]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1ATMkLNl0Q

Kilbane repeatedly repeats the talking point that Kenny is a nobody, and Mick is inspiring. Like a broken record.

He is right in some ways. Re the instant respect issue, who would likely get Declan Rice on board, Mick McCarthy or Stephen Kenny?

[Kingdom]

Nonsense though that none of the players will know who Kenny is.

Dundalks run in Europe gained huge attention across the water. To suggest that Irish born and reared players would have never heard of him either is total nonsense.

The likes of Jeff Hendrick and Robbie Brady were both at St Kevins Boys when Kenny was already a League of Ireland winning and FAI Cup winning manager, and with European experience behind him at Longford, Bohs and Derry. Also had his ill-fated spell at Dunfermline behind him before either of them moved to England.


I wouldn't be so sure about that Nigel, genuinely I wouldn't. LOI wouldn't be on the radar of established internationals in their mid-late 20's now, who left here in their mid-teens.

[backstothewall]

Was thinking there. If Ipswich are relegated from the Championship this season (as looks likely) Kenny could do a lot worse than asking Mick to put a word in for him to take the job in League 1 next season. He'd have a great chance of helping a good club bounce back and start proving himself with a view to getting the job next time around.

[Stuttgart88]

If a player shows no respect, you don't pick them next time. Simple. Anyone who comes in as manager will have to lay down the law straight away. Doesn't matter if he has 50 years top level experience or none.

I don't think we're talking petulant teenager and weak teacher scenario here. Of course there'll be respect, but what KK was saying is that Mick will bring an aura with him that Kenny may have to earn rather than immediately deliver.

I said above that the right appointment is a combination of it being the right man for the right team at the right time. I think Mick is probably all 3. If we'd sacked MON a year ago Kenny would have been all 3 then. Not only do we need a change but we need a quick sugar hit too because we are now straight into qualifying and that's why I am favouring Mick, albeit with relatively low conviction.

[tetsujin1979]

Kilbane also said that Kerr improved him as a player. Which is true. Under Mick it was just stick Killer out on the wing. Kerr developed him into Zinedine. Kilbane helped shut down the French midfield in Paris.

And then Kilbane goes and craps on Kerr.

Pretty sure Kilbane had other managers than Kerr at that time.

[zero]

it's done already. Mick.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/1122/1012682-return-of-the-mick-mccarthy-to-be-offered-ireland-job/

welcome back. I hope it works out.

[liamoo11]

If a player shows no respect, you don't pick them next time. Simple. Anyone who comes in as manager will have to lay down the law straight away. Doesn't matter if he has 50 years top level experience or none.

As long as your not Matt Doherty

[DeLorean]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1ATMkLNl0Q

Kilbane repeatedly repeats the talking point that Kenny is a nobody, and Mick is inspiring. Like a broken record.

He only repeatedly repeats the (fairly simple and completely logical) point because Murphy keeps forcefully opposing it.