Next Ireland manager?

[OwlsFan]

Says Mr FAI, yeah 40 million in debt to a stadium they wont even own in the end:rolleyes:

And the options were ....?

[jbyrne]

Says Mr FAI, yeah 40 million in debt to a stadium they wont even own in the end:rolleyes:

its irrelevant who owns the stadium. by the time the FAIs lease (or whatever arrangement on duration they have in place) runs out the stadium will be at the end of its life and will need to be rebuilt.

if the FAI had gone alone their debt would be multiples of the €34m that they still owe.

very few national associations actually own the stadiums they play in.

[brine3]

Morten Olsen managed Denmark for 17 years on something like 500 k a year. And not only did he coach the national team, he was heavily involved in reforming Danish football from top to bottom and developing youth coaching structures.

All O'Neill does is pick the team for international games and pick up his two million.

[seanfhear]

Morten Olsen managed Denmark for 17 years on something like 500 k a year. And not only did he coach the national team, he was heavily involved in reforming Danish football from top to bottom and developing youth coaching structures.

All O'Neill does is pick the team for international games and pick up his two million.He does have to look at Roy Keane every now and again......Ye’d need a few bob for that .

[Razors left peg]

The National team manager should have an obligation to be involved in youth football in the country. Most club managers have to have a large input in their club youth structures and they are able to find the time for that even when they have to worry about a game every week. International football is basically a part time job, the manager should be completely involved in all levels of football in the country, he has more than enough time and is paid more than enough.

[Kingdom]

The National team manager should have an obligation to be involved in youth football in the country. Most club managers have to have a large input in their club youth structures and they are able to find the time for that even when they have to worry about a game every week. International football is basically a part time job, the manager should be completely involved in all levels of football in the country, he has more than enough time and is paid more than enough.

Sorry Razor but I disagree, he shouldn't. Same with club football. Rarely in Ireland and Britain, does a manager last long enough to instill an ethos or philosopy down through the streams, without the club constantly flip-flopping. That's what we have Ruud Dokter for. We don't make appointments based on identity of football at senior level.

[Stuttgart88]

In an ideal world the national team manager's ethos is in synch with what's underneath.

[brine3]

Sorry Razor but I disagree, he shouldn't. Same with club football. Rarely in Ireland and Britain, does a manager last long enough to instill an ethos or philosopy down through the streams, without the club constantly flip-flopping. That's what we have Ruud Dokter for. We don't make appointments based on identity of football at senior level.

And look where the chopping and changing of marquee managers and lack of coherent system has gotten England and Ireland.

We have international teams who look like they've never played together before when they go out on to the pitch.

Meanwhile Spain implemented a system of playing and mentality from top to bottom and appointed mangers who were committed to the system and the country. Didn't turn out too badly, if my memory serves me correctly.

[seanfhear]

And look where the chopping and changing of marquee managers and lack of coherent system has gotten England and Ireland.

We have international teams who look like they've never played together before when they go out on to the pitch.

Meanwhile Spain implemented a system of playing and mentality from top to bottom and appointed mangers who were committed to the system and the country. Didn't turn out too badly, if my memory serves me correctly.But could Spain do it on a wet windy Friday evening in Sligo ?

[sbgawa]

Morten Olsen managed Denmark for 17 years on something like 500 k a year. And not only did he coach the national team, he was heavily involved in reforming Danish football from top to bottom and developing youth coaching structures.

All O'Neill does is pick the team for international games and pick up his two million.

I'd pay 2 million to keep him away from the kids. "Lump it forward there"

[DannyInvincible]

Next Ireland manager odds:

http://www.punditarena.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Paddy-Power-Next-Ireland-manager.jpg

[Stuttgart88]

Can't believe Philippe Troussier isn't on that list. McDermott at 33/1 is an interesting one.

[seanfhear]

Allardyce , McDermott , Kerr . Interesting to see if Allardyce would have any interest .

Jim McGuinness would certainly cause a stir .

[IsMiseSean]

Allardyce would be gone in a shot once a decent premier league job came along.

[ArFella]

Who is Thomas Reid at 500/1?

[KrisLetang]

Has to be a misprint for Steven Reid. Not a good sign. :D

[OwlsFan]

Allardyce would be gone in a shot once a decent premier league job came along.

The anti-"hoofball" brigade would love Allardyce ok :) Perhaps in their fantasies Wenger would get the sack at Arsenal and take over the reins here and then the effects from the hangover from Carlsberg abates and they see once more MON pacing down the line as Duffy launches one on to the barrel chest of Murphy.

[Park_Lane]

Next Ireland manager odds:

http://www.punditarena.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Paddy-Power-Next-Ireland-manager.jpg

you have to love curbishley still getting mentions for jobs! Out of those who are available there is not much to get excited about there...

[Park_Lane]

Allardyce , McDermott , Kerr . Interesting to see if Allardyce would have any interest .

Jim McGuinness would certainly cause a stir .

Would give it to McGuinness just to see Brollys head explode

[Razors left peg]

Ryan Giggs could be interesting option. No experience, but I wouldn't let the Staunton experience put me off that forever, other managers with little experience have done well in international football.

Get Robbie involved in the set up somehow too.

Who ever we get I just don't want another one coming in and immediately saying that we cant play football

[liamoo11]

I'd like Brian modermott seems a really proud Irish man and would strike you as a real hands on training ground type

[backstothewall]

A bit left field but what would people think about giving it to Bernd Schuster? He has managed all over the place and has applied for a few premier league jobs at different times according to reports so he might be interested in coming to this part of the world.

[KrisLetang]

O'Neill: "We need to start again, thinking about younger elements and trying to blood them through."

No duh but easier said than done. Who for example?

[KrisLetang]

seems a really proud Irish man

Is there any other kind?

[gastric]

McDonnell makes some very salient points in this article about how short and medium term financial obligations are driving the FAI plus the necessity of qualifying for the next Euros. Doesn't create a very optimistic picture for youth been given a chance or for any risks to be taken on the field.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/eternal-debate-over-manager-is-an-irish-flaw-36324843.html

[tricky_colour]

Somewhat off topic but on the subject of managers I note the USA failed to qualify, finishing 5th in their group!
(And you thought we were bad!).
Actually 4th out of 6 gets you to the play-offs so somewhat easier than the European side of it.
Actually that was in the final stage of qualify so not as bad as it sounds but the are out same as us and their coach has quit.

So he will be looking for a job but I guess he is not one we would be too keen on! ;)

Pity really as I like to follow the US progress at the World Cup and hear how the "offence" is doing etc....

[tricky_colour]

O'Neill: "We need to start again, thinking about younger elements and trying to blood them through."

No duh but easier said than done. Who for example?

Any of the player's wives pregnant?

[tricky_colour]

Who is Thomas Reid at 500/1?


A religiously trained Scottish philosopher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Reid

Someone with a close connection to God would be useful, problem is he died 1776, which rules him out I guess.

[DannyInvincible]

Someone with a close connection to God would be useful

We've been there and done that. Trap was a member of Opus Dei and also coached the Vatican City's team.

[ArFella]

A religiously trained Scottish philosopher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Reid

Someone with a close connection to God would be useful, problem is he died 1776, which rules him out I guess.

So you're saying I shouldn't have backed him... damn!

[tricky_colour]

We should move away from human mangers and switch to a computer, artificial intelligence is the future.

So it basic scans the web reads reports and stats and make selection based on that.

Worth giving it a go.

[IsMiseSean]

Bert van Marwijk.
Although, after getting the Saudis to the WC, they were unable to agree a new contract and he left.
If the Saudis weren't prepared to pay him more, then we're probably not going to be able to afford his wage demands.

[seanfhear]

Maybe he just wants rain .

[shakermaker1982]

I’d have Big Sam in a heartbeat. It’d also pi$$ off Dunphy so another tick for me. I didn’t know about the season ticket stat - just confirms my suspicion that the FAI have to have a ‘name’ from now on.

I like Keane but if he got the gig it would just overshadow the team as a whole. His press conferences would generate a lot of interest, get a lot of clicks on websites and sell some more season tickets but it’s not what we need right now.

Coyle, O’Leary etc no thanks.

[IsMiseSean]

Would keeping MON sell more season tickets?
I think a lot of people have had enough of O'Neill and I'd expect the sale of season tickets to fall.

If O'Neill stays in charge, I wouldn't be too sure if I'd bother renewing next season.

[DannyInvincible]

I think most people are somewhere between being happy enough if O'Neill calls it a day and wanting him to go.

Is there anyone who positively wants him to remain and would be disappointed if he went?

[BonnieShels]

Bert van Marwijk.
Although, after getting the Saudis to the WC, they were unable to agree a new contract and he left.
If the Saudis weren't prepared to pay him more, then we're probably not going to be able to afford his wage demands.

The Saudis in general have to pay a premium for anything to get people to work there. Bert wouldn't command such wages working in a stable, western, English speaking economy. Would take him or Bielsa in a heartbeat. And there's merit to Big Sam too.

[Olé Olé]

I think most people are somewhere between being happy enough if O'Neill calls it a day and wanting him to go.

Is there anyone who positively wants him to remain and would be disappointed if he went?

I'm completely in the middle. The alternatives haven't got me excited. And that's irrelevant because we can't consider replacements until he makes the decision. The media's narrative is that the ball is firmly in his court. Reneging on the verbal agreement is only possible on his side.

The issue with alternatives is that it's plainly apparent that O'Neill has managed to embed a strong spirit in this group. In terms of tactics, sometimes he hasn't been impressive (ignoring style of play arguments, I'm referring to effectiveness- maybe they should go hand in hand though). In terms of youth development, he has mostly been less than impressive.

Who can bring a balance of all 3? All 3 are probably integral for international football. Hughton would probably provide the best balance but I think that's more of a pre-retirement aspiration of his. It's a pity Brian McDermott's career has petered out.

[Olé Olé]

I'd like Brian modermott seems a really proud Irish man and would strike you as a real hands on training ground type
Only seeing this now. I agree with you on both fronts. He would be a risky appointment given his downward trajectory and inactivity of late. He really needs a new and successful job to get in the mix in the near future.

[jbyrne]

Would keeping MON sell more season tickets?
I think a lot of people have had enough of O'Neill and I'd expect the sale of season tickets to fall.

If O'Neill stays in charge, I wouldn't be too sure if I'd bother renewing next season.

season ticket sales prob bring in less than €3m a year at the moment. hardly a deal breaker for the fai when their turnover is over 10 times that amt

[KrisLetang]

What do we make of this possible USA tournament this summer with the lovable losers Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Chile, Holland, Italy, etc? FIFA says it's fine as long as it doesn't coincide with the WC. Do you think any of the Irish players (Or any other countries) would want to bother coming?

[bennocelt]

I'd imagine a lot of the clubs would be putting a bit of pressure on their players to pull of this if it got the go ahead

[KrisLetang]

Maybe younger players would come? I'm starting to come around to the idea of it.
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/mls/article185248778.html

[seanfhear]

Anybody looking forward to O ‘ Neill style football until the Euro qualifiers or even during ?

It ain’t appetising .

[KrisLetang]

Easily fixed: Have Ruud Dokter managed Ireland in USA.

Just think of it: Board (bored?) heavyweights Paul O'Shea, Bonnie Shells, Charlie Darwin, Stutts, et all with bowler hats on and index cards sticking out with the word "press" written in black marker. Scouting our future stud players against the likes of South Africa and Ghana from beautiful downtown Columbus, Ohio in front of crowds in the high hundreds.

Pineapple Stu sending live missives back to the foot.ie masses as Danny Invincible types out a 30,000 word parable on Declan Rice. Saint and Grevsie doing their radio show live from the bowels of Met Life stadium as the USA Cup upstages a boring World Cup, Ireland charging all the way to the finals vs an underrated Canary Islands squad. "We have hope now." An emotional Geysir would tell anyone who would listen as he boarded the flight home, the jubilant Irish players celebrating in the back round.

[DeLorean]

I'm completely in the middle. The alternatives haven't got me excited. And that's irrelevant because we can't consider replacements until he makes the decision. The media's narrative is that the ball is firmly in his court. Reneging on the verbal agreement is only possible on his side.

The issue with alternatives is that it's plainly apparent that O'Neill has managed to embed a strong spirit in this group. In terms of tactics, sometimes he hasn't been impressive (ignoring style of play arguments, I'm referring to effectiveness- maybe they should go hand in hand though). In terms of youth development, he has mostly been less than impressive.

Who can bring a balance of all 3? All 3 are probably integral for international football. Hughton would probably provide the best balance but I think that's more of a pre-retirement aspiration of his. It's a pity Brian McDermott's career has petered out.

I'm the same as this, on the fence until I see the replacement. I think he'll stay on anyway though.

[tricky_colour]

What about Stephen Hunt or Trigger?

[gastric]

Trigger and Roy, a match made in heaven.

[tricky_colour]

Trigger is the way to go, he got us to the WC before with assistance from Roy.

So why can't they do it again?

[DannyInvincible]

Dunphy has suggested Stephen Kenny and Brian Kerr should replace O'Neill and Keane: http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/soccer-news/eamon-dunphy-wants-stephen-kenny-11555487

Not a bad suggestion from Dunphy actually. I could get behind it.