Richard Dunne

[geysir]

Just saying what I saw. You should have seen him from 20 feet away - very big. Maybe he just doesn't look good in white.
Lucky for him he does not have to wear hoops.

As I wrote, people report what they see and other people add their take on it. Somebody else sees him slowly sipping a shandy and next you know he is supposed to be drying out in some clinic.

[the scout]

So did I !

if so? what a pity surely this ruins your game?!

[Crosby87]

he is supposed to be drying out in some clinic.

Wait, Dunne's drying out in some clinic? Oh Lord no. Is he going to be able to play Cyprus?

[DeLorean]

I'd love to see him at Villa. Less pressure, great club, great manager and guaranteed first team football.

[livehead1]

I heard it from someone working close to Dunne; those on hear who know me will understand that I don't normally say things unless I have some basis for them :D

[tetsujin1979]

Looks like Dunne is staying at City: http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5488101,00.html

[OwlsFan]

I thought he looked out of sorts on Wednesday. I think you need the backs to the wall stuff in a competitive game to see the best of Richard. I expect to see a much improved performance from him and the rest of the team in Cyprus.

[Hibernian]

I thought he looked out of sorts on Wednesday. I think you need the backs to the wall stuff in a competitive game to see the best of Richard. I expect to see a much improved performance from him and the rest of the team in Cyprus.

They were all pretty poor to be honest but agree with what your saying

I think result is best thing that could happen best to leave these defeats to the friendly games

[irishfan86]

Aston Villa have bid 5 million pounds for Dunne:

http://www.eleven-a-side.com/acrossthewater/news.asp?n=36941

[Crosby87]

Aston Villa have bid 5 million pounds for Dunne:

http://www.eleven-a-side.com/acrossthewater/news.asp?n=36941

:eek:

[elroy]

Would be a good move imo, the soundings all summer is that he isnt really wanted any more at City, although he has played in most of the pre season games.

If lescott joins City, it will be lescott and toure first choice pairing.

[Noelys Guitar]

The Villa defense have looked all over the place first half against Wigan. Wigan should be 3 up. I can't see MON playing Davies and Cuellar together again. I expect to see at least one new cente half at Villa park this week. Surely Dunne must be top of the list.

[youngirish]

The Villa defense have looked all over the place first half against Wigan. Wigan should be 3 up. I can't see MON playing Davies and Cuellar together again. I expect to see at least one new cente half at Villa park this week. Surely Dunne must be top of the list.

Dunne has put in a great performance for City alongside Toure against Blackburn so maybe Hughes might have second thoughts about selling him.

[rebelmusic]

Dunne has put in a great performance for City alongside Toure against Blackburn so maybe Hughes might have second thoughts about selling him.


For the most part, was definately a penalty in the first half if you ask me, toure looked the better. Some dodgy catches from given today aswell

[geysir]

Shay had a very good game, looks to be on top of his form.
We'll probably need him to be.

[tetsujin1979]

Thought it was even between Toure and Dunne in the first half, but Dunne was supreme in the second half.

[Manblue]

To be honest i thought toure outplayed dunne, whilst dunne put his body on the line more, toure looked to be ordering the defense and read the game a little better with many important interceptions,,,, that said both did ok

[irishultra]

So is he gonna move? Hopefully not, and especially not to Aston Villa.

[ken foree]

hmm dunno lads dunne was easily outmuscled down the line on one occasion and let his man get into the box and on another misjudged the flight of a ball over his shoulder and ended up colliding with given causing him to lose the ball in the box. there was commitment for sure but uncertainty in other areas of his game as well

[rambler14]

If he's leaving then Aston Villa is a better move than Sunderland.

[Predator]

After Everton's thrashing yesterday, they could do with getting rid of Lescott and bringing in Dunne as part of the deal with Man City. I'd have Dunne before Lescott, but then again, I'm not David Moyes.

[shakermaker1982]

Just some of the digs from the observer today about Dunne

"When David Moyes catches sight of Dunne's display, he will probably slap another £10m on Joleon Lescott's price" Paul Wilson match report.

"The problem is, City are much better going forwards than backwards. The need to upgrade Richard Dunne so that Kolo Touré can work with a centre-half of comparable quality was sadly apparent." Hayward

Was he that bad? The guys on Soccer Saturday said he played well?!

[Razors left peg]

Just some of the digs from the observer today about Dunne

"When David Moyes catches sight of Dunne's display, he will probably slap another £10m on Joleon Lescott's price" Paul Wilson match report.

The problem is, City are much better going forwards than backwards. The need to upgrade Richard Dunne so that Kolo Touré can work with a centre-half of comparable quality was sadly apparent. Hayward

Was he that bad? The guys on Soccer Saturday said he played well?!

That is bullsh1t of the highest order

[Colbert Report]

I watched the match and Dunne was caught for pace on several occasions. He didn't look anywhere near top four quality which is what Manchester City are at this stage.

[Scram]

I watched the match and Dunne was caught for pace on several occasions. He didn't look anywhere near top four quality which is what Manchester City are at this stage.

Funny that, where did you watch the game?!! I watched the game in its entirety and came to a different conclusion. Also, according to Sky pundits after the game (I think Phil Thompson) they don’t know how Lescott could fit in there when Toure and Dunne were outstanding. Similar comments on Setanta. Anyone who thinks Lescott is a better defender than Dunne knows very little.

BBC commentator on MOTD said on one instance that Dunne defended poorly when a Rovers attacker got to the endline and crossed BUT this was Wayne Bridge’s job and Dunn was covering for him . Bridge was anonymous throughout the game.

It is very easy for English commentators to pick on Dunne and they have done so for years but anyone with an appreciation of a defender’s role watching this game could only conclude that Dunne had a very good game.

Adebayor and Dunne clashed when clearing a high ball, as did Toure and Adebayor, the English “experts” no doubt attributed an error to Dunne for the first and to Adebayor for the second! Adebayor was at fault on both occasions.

[kennedmc]

I don't think Dunne played that well on Saturday - didn't have a shocker but made a few mistakes that on another day could have cost city.

Also think that Given was OK, dropped a few balls etc but in the Indo and Times yesterday he got MOTM! T'was Gareth Barry for me

[tetsujin1979]

I don't think Dunne played that well on Saturday - didn't have a shocker but made a few mistakes that on another day could have cost city.

Also think that Given was OK, dropped a few balls etc but in the Indo and Times yesterday he got MOTM! T'was Gareth Barry for me
Allardyce said Given was the difference in the sides: http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/21089/

“I think it [the final score] was very harsh,” Blackburn manager Sam Allardyce said. “Our failing today was in the poor quality of our finishing.

“But their goalkeeper Shay Given also made one brilliant save after another and that kept them in the game."
He got two bonus points in fantasy football as well, Adebayor got three

[Scram]

I don't think Dunne played that well on Saturday - didn't have a shocker but made a few mistakes that on another day could have cost city.

Also think that Given was OK, dropped a few balls etc but in the Indo and Times yesterday he got MOTM! T'was Gareth Barry for me

What mistakes did Dunne make? I noticed one, when he ran out with the ball and gave it away under pressure, like most of his “mistakes” they come from trying to do too much! A good solid performance. Possiblt coudl have had a penalty against him for one tackle, not for handball, the ball struck his elbow

Barry gave the ball away twice, unnecessarily. Adebayor got in Dunne’s way and Toures’s way. But, an overall good performances from all three. English commentator’s criticism of Dunne is grossly unfair, and always has been over the top. An easy target.

Bridge was the worst of Man City’s defenders leaving Dunne to cover for him many times.

Given had a great game with a couple of world class saves. He dropped the ball once...parrying to himself is not dropping the ball, keepers take the sting out of the ball all the time now and then pull it back in...Intentionally. Given, Dunne, Toure, Adebayor or Barry could have been MOTM despite a couple of minor errors from each of them.

[Drumcondra 69er]

What mistakes did Dunne make? I noticed one, when he ran out with the ball and gave it away under pressure, like most of his “mistakes” they come from trying to do too much! A good solid performance. Possiblt coudl have had a penalty against him for one tackle, not for handball, the ball struck his elbow

Barry gave the ball away twice, unnecessarily. Adebayor got in Dunne’s way and Toures’s way. But, an overall good performances from all three. English commentator’s criticism of Dunne is grossly unfair, and always has been over the top. An easy target.



You do realise that the elbow is still considered handball surely??

Agree with your points on Dunne but that was a stone wall penalty, he arm was away from his side and rising when it hit him, he was blessed to get away with that.

Played well for me though.

[kennedmc]

What mistakes did Dunne make? I noticed one, when he ran out with the ball and gave it away under pressure, like most of his “mistakes” they come from trying to do too much! A good solid performance. Possiblt coudl have had a penalty against him for one tackle, not for handball, the ball struck his elbow

Barry gave the ball away twice, unnecessarily. Adebayor got in Dunne’s way and Toures’s way. But, an overall good performances from all three. English commentator’s criticism of Dunne is grossly unfair, and always has been over the top. An easy target.

Bridge was the worst of Man City’s defenders leaving Dunne to cover for him many times.

Given had a great game with a couple of world class saves. He dropped the ball once...parrying to himself is not dropping the ball, keepers take the sting out of the ball all the time now and then pull it back in...Intentionally. Given, Dunne, Toure, Adebayor or Barry could have been MOTM despite a couple of minor errors from each of them.

He also let Roberts go past him by the touchline when he was favourite to get there at the start and clattered in to Given! I'm not saying he had a shocker I just don't think he was that good on saturday

[kennedmc]

Allardyce said Given was the difference in the sides: http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/21089/

He got two bonus points in fantasy football as well, Adebayor got three

Yeah but is that fat Sam saying that to talk up his own side.

I remember Given making two good saves from headers, that I would expect a keeper of his ability to make anyway. One of them he pushed back out in front of the goals - a no no in the coaching manual.

Allerdyce saying that
“But their goalkeeper Shay Given also made one brilliant save after another and that kept them in the game."
is complete bullsh!t to anyone that actually watched the game.

[tetsujin1979]

Yeah but is that fat Sam saying that to talk up his own side.

I remember Given making two good saves from headers, that I would expect a keeper of his ability to make anyway. One of them he pushed back out in front of the goals - a no no in the coaching manual.

Allerdyce saying that
“But their goalkeeper Shay Given also made one brilliant save after another and that kept them in the game."
is complete bullsh!t to anyone that actually watched the game.
maybe, but I read the quote on football365 here: http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8742_5494337,00.html

Shay Given
It is one of football's enduring absurdities that goal-savers are so underpriced compared to goal-scorers. Mark Hughes may have spent a combined total of nearly £100m on Robinho, Emmanuel Adebayor and Carlos Tevez but the purchase of Given in January, for a ridiculously low initial fee of £5.9m, may prove the best of his reign. It is a racing certainty that the goalkeeper's acquisition will be the most profitable.

Tempting though it might be, don't be suckered into focusing on the debuts of City's expensive recruits of Ewood because it was the contribution of Given that divided the two sides. "We had six shots on target in the first half to City's one, and the goalkeeper saved them all," observed Sam Allardyce. The Blackburn manager couldn't say it but we can: Had Given and Paul Robinson swapped sides then the scoreline would have most probably have followed suit.

[Scram]

He also let Roberts go past him by the touchline when he was favourite to get there at the start and clattered in to Given! I'm not saying he had a shocker I just don't think he was that good on saturday

There you go!!!! “clattered in to Given” ……..Given clattered in to Dunner, the way I saw it! It was Dunner’s ball and Shay didn’t call, he even apologised to Dunner!!

Shay made 1 great save, 1 good one and was solid otherwise.

Dunner made 1 error (debatable as he was catching up for Bridge) but was very solid otherwise.

[geysir]

Yeah but is that fat Sam saying that to talk up his own side.

I remember Given making two good saves from headers, that I would expect a keeper of his ability to make anyway. One of them he pushed back out in front of the goals - a no no in the coaching manual.

Allerdyce saying that
“But their goalkeeper Shay Given also made one brilliant save after another and that kept them in the game."
is complete bullsh!t to anyone that actually watched the game.
It is quite well within Sam's post match brief to point out that the opposition goalkeeper made a string of top saves.
Most everyone else, apart from you, who saw the game, think Given had a typically excellent game.

[kennedmc]

fair enough so - I thought Given was OK and I didn't Dunne was that good.
Generally I'm a big fan of both players.

Its goes back to people getting a little bit precious about Irish players. When the British media criticises an Irish player some people tend to get upset. When the same British media praise an Irish player they have no problem using the media as a reference point! We can't have it both ways!!

I don't believe the English media are in anyway unfavourable against Irish players - no more so that other nationalities.

[Drumcondra 69er]

fair enough so - I thought Given was OK and I didn't Dunne was that good.
Generally I'm a big fan of both players.

Its goes back to people getting a little bit precious about Irish players. When the British media criticises an Irish player some people tend to get upset. When the same British media praise an Irish player they have no problem using the media as a reference point! We can't have it both ways!!

I don't believe the English media are in anyway unfavourable against Irish players - no more so that other nationalities.


No more so then other nationalities maybe but certainly more so then english players. You only have to look at the marks england internationals get in match reports to see it. The Sun fantasy football dream team is farcical because of it, you'd rarely see Lampard or Gerrard get below an 8 for example regardless of how good or bad they've played....

[jbyrne]

Agree with your points on Dunne but that was a stone wall penalty, he arm was away from his side and rising when it hit him, he was blessed to get away with that.


tv said his arm was by his side and thats the way i saw it too. no way a pen

[endabob1]

We get Gary Bailey as an analyst and he commented at the weekend that Given is worth a minimum of 15 points a season, and said the reason Newcastle went down was because they sold him.
A lot of truth, considering he's ex-Utd too.

[Drumcondra 69er]

tv said his arm was by his side and thats the way i saw it too. no way a pen

Depends what channel you were watching. ;)

Setanta said it wasn't (although I think Dolan disagreed), Sky said it was. I think it was from what I saw.

[DeLorean]

Setanta said it wasn't (although I think Dolan disagreed), Sky said it was. I think it was from what I saw.

No chance for me. His arm was down by his side and it was rocketed at him from about 10 yards.

[The Legend]

No more so then other nationalities maybe but certainly more so then english players. You only have to look at the marks england internationals get in match reports to see it. The Sun fantasy football dream team is farcical because of it, you'd rarely see Lampard or Gerrard get below an 8 for example regardless of how good or bad they've played....

So what? all countries do that with their own people, who wouldn't!
we do it!

[tricky_colour]

I'd only give Dunne 9.5 out of ten for his performance, clearly room for improvement.

[geysir]

Room for improvement but not expansion.

[Scram]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
No more so then other nationalities maybe but certainly more so then english players. You only have to look at the marks england internationals get in match reports to see it. The Sun fantasy football dream team is farcical because of it, you'd rarely see Lampard or Gerrard get below an 8 for example regardless of how good or bad they've played....


So what? all countries do that with their own people, who wouldn't!
we do it!

What support have you got for claiming "all countries do that" ? I don't see that in any Irish papers. Drum 69 is absolutely correct re. Lampard Terry etc.

[The Legend]

what are u talking about, of course countries will see their own people in a more favorable light to others. I'm not saying its fair, i am saying its natural.

[Scram]

what are u talking about, of course countries will see their own people in a more favorable light to others. I'm not saying its fair, i am saying its natural.

Support? I don't see Irish papers giving Robbie Keans a 9/10 when he has a 6/10 performance.

You’re suggesting that an Irish sports journalist cannot be subjective in analysis of Irish sports stars. There is a difference between wishing well and blind praise.

Drum 69 is absolutely right that the majority of English papers rate the likes of Lampard, Terry etc. above what their performances indicate and there is NO basis for saying “well everyone does that” !!!

Having said that, most “Irish papers” are English.

[rebelmusic]

Quote from fifa.com

"
ianofredcar (http://www.fifa.com/theclub/profiles/user/1/3/1/5/7/4/5/index.html) (England)
Ireland did well to hold out for the draw,bulgaria had so much posession yet inside Irelands penalty area were very uneffective.That Michael Dunne virtually kept you in WC2010."

Michael Dunne eh? Geez...

[youngirish]

Support? I don't see Irish papers giving Robbie Keans a 9/10 when he has a 6/10 performance.

You’re suggesting that an Irish sports journalist cannot be subjective in analysis of Irish sports stars. There is a difference between wishing well and blind praise.

Drum 69 is absolutely right that the majority of English papers rate the likes of Lampard, Terry etc. above what their performances indicate and there is NO basis for saying “well everyone does that” !!!

Having said that, most “Irish papers” are English.

You only have to look at Hansen and (to a lesser extent) Lineker highlighting Michael Owen's performance last night to see how sickeningly biased the English media are with regard to their own players. They were highlighting his positioning and his running off the ball in a fairly positive manner conveniently forgetting to mention the fact that he has been sh*t for United thus far and had been rubbish for Newcastle for years beforehand. If Owen was a foreign striker who just signed for united they would be slating his performance.

For my Sun fantasy league team I always buy a sh*load of English international players not because I necessarily think they are any good but because I know they will at least get a 7 out of 10 every week in the ratings even if they have a dire game and receive the bonus points.

[Junior]

For my Sun fantasy league team I always buy a sh*load of English international players not because I necessarily think they are any good but because I know they will at least get a 7 out of 10 every week in the ratings even if they have a dire game and receive the bonus points.

Ahh, but how can you afford them all - surely they are vastly overpriced also???;)

[Scram]

You only have to look at Hansen and (to a lesser extent) Lineker highlighting Michael Owen's performance last night to see how sickeningly biased the English media are with regard to their own players. They were highlighting his positioning and his running off the ball in a fairly positive manner conveniently forgetting to mention the fact that he has been sh*t for United thus far and had been rubbish for Newcastle for years beforehand. If Owen was a foreign striker who just signed for united they would be slating his performance.

For my Sun fantasy league team I always buy a sh*load of English international players not because I necessarily think they are any good but because I know they will at least get a 7 out of 10 every week in the ratings even if they have a dire game and receive the bonus points.

Yep!

There used to be a thread “Robbie Keane v Michael Owen” possibly over on Soccer Central. I know which one I’d rather have! (and it’s not the one who can’t play poker either!). Even McGeady would give you way more value than Owen.


It is not “English bashing” just to suggest the English media are biased towards English players, they are ABSOLUTELY. Even to the extent of the phrase “cheating foreigners”. The worst dive I ever saw was Gerrard v Hungary (I think ) and it was a friendly!, you don’t need to be reminded that Beckham was English and Mancurian Diving Champion long before Ronaldo ever played for MUFC…but it’s much easier to point to Johnny foreigner.