Richard Dunne

[Charlie Darwin]

Back in the first team today vs West Brom.

[theworm2345]

Cuellar is a disaster waiting to happen and Villa's left back is ****e...I hope Dunne doesn't over-exert himself and risk reinjuring his shoulder but we all know he doesn't give less than 100%.

[SkStu]

He's doing pretty well. A mistimed tackle attributed to "rustiness" but us Irish folks know better...! :) villa have defended well and often.

[Stuttgart88]

Gives away pen for Spurs' equaliser.

[Adrianovic]

Despite giving away a penalty he had a good game. Had to defend endless corners and balls into the box and dealt with them well.

[BonnieShels]

On the last word now.

[fohay]

Hey guys does anyone know where i can get that post-match interview clip of Richard Dunne in Euros saying "maybe having fear of failure brings about that failure" or words to that effect after the Croatia or Spain match. Youtube or rte player doesnt have it and I'm looking for the video quote for a presentation

[Stuttgart88]

Seriously considering retirement according to RTE

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/international/2012/0727/330807-dunne-considers-international-retirement/

[paul_oshea]

Ya i was worried reading that, ive thought Dunne looked disinterested in the PL the last year, and thought he was holding out for the Euros. But at the euros i thought he looked fairly disinterested as well. If he really loved it, I'm sorry, it wouldn't take him 4 weeks to decide. I'd actually worry for someone like Dunne when the football finishes.

The piece in the independent doesn't make for good reading for Enda Stevens either.

[ifk101]

Disinterested in the PL last year? and fairly disinterested in the Euros? How do you make that out? Did he look disinterested or fairly disinterested out in Moscow?

[jbyrne]

But at the euros i thought he looked fairly disinterested as well.

dont confuse "disinterested" with "not fit enough"

[Junior]

If we had a good tournament he wouldnt even be thinking about it. Its understandable, I imagine he's just still depressed at how badly it went. Once the season starts with Villa and he has the games against Kazak, Faroes and Germany coming up - I think he'll be well up for it!!!

[paul_oshea]

Disinterested in the PL last year? and fairly disinterested in the Euros? How do you make that out? Did he look disinterested or fairly disinterested out in Moscow?

And another exception to the rule. This forum is great.

I said in the Euros - I meant the championships i.e. the finals not the qualifiers.

[Junior]

And another exception to the rule. This forum is great.

I said in the Euros - I meant the championships i.e. the finals not the qualifiers.

As Jbyrne said, dont mistake poor form/injury as disinterest. The guy was almost in tears after the Spain or Italy game, I forget which. That wasnt a guy who was disinterested.

People disagreeing with you is quickly not becoming the exception to the rule:eek:

[geysir]

I think it's fair enough for him to be considering his international future. He gave his all for both of Trap's qualifying campaigns and eventually achieved his first target - to get to a Finals. You'd have a sense that the Euro Finals experience would not have increased his hunger for going through another full campaign.
I think he can do what all old war horses should do, step back from the frontline and should a need arise, be available for selection.

[CraftyToePoke]

I think he is the one of Duff, Keane, Given and himself that we still need in the team the most. In Long, McClean and Westwood the other three will have at least one credible emerging player pushing them for their spots in the near future hopefully. Even if Duffy makes 20 league appearances for Everton this season and Pearce takes to the Prem like a duck to water, both significant iffs, we would be weaker by a fully fit Dunne not being around and the experience at CB that he has is vital for a while yet.

You would hope the flip side of Trap's slow to change ways would benefit us here and he would see it this way and press Dunne to give another campaign.

[Stuttgart88]

I would prefer him to stick around. JOS would have to step up as I think it's patently obvious he's not a top quality full back. Duffy would need to be phased in rather than thrown in so Dunne sticking around would be valuable in that regard.

I think Trap could excuse him from friendlies and I doubt there'd be any dissent from anyone in the squad if an exception was made for some of the old brigade. That'd mean it'd only be a few extra games a year for him. I still can't see Villa having many games as meaningful even for a senior pro as Ireland v Sweden or Germany. He'd love those games.

[Cuyahoga]

Hope he stays. He had a bad season with injuries, he is due a good one this season.

[tricky_colour]

Hope he stays, we need him, that's for sure, also I do not think it would be a good time for him to go
after the disappointing Euro's I think he should definitely play a few more games before making a decision
he may well see things in a different light then, but if he does decide to go I think he should after a decent result
otherwise his last memories of playing for Ireland will be disappointing ones. Go out on a high rather than low,
I think that is the best way to do it.

[DannyInvincible]

otherwise his last memories of playing for Ireland will be disappointing ones. Go out on a high rather than low,
I think that is the best way to do it.

But who's to say it'll get any better than bowing out of the group stages of the Euros? Beggars can't be choosers and all that.

[sullanefc]

I'd actually worry for someone like Dunne when the football finishes.


Why is that Paul?

[SkStu]

Why is that Paul?

Booze hound. And on the chunkier side of "match fit" as it is.

[elroy]

As some have said above he is the one out of the potential retirees who we need the most. Really hope he stays one more campaign.

You can be sure Lambert is going to be encouraging Dunne to give up international football. Agree a gentlemans agreement could be made with Dunne whereby he wouldnt be called up to the majority of the friendlies, giving him more recovery time etc. To me, didnt look fit or free from some injury last season - but then again he has that sort of style about him.

[Crosby87]

Will the headline in the morning papers be
"Richard Dunne" when he quits Ireland?

[CraftyToePoke]

Dunne And Dusted.

[Junior]

I can't see it to be honest, too many on here banging the Dunne- Drum....

[tricky_colour]

But who's to say it'll get any better than bowing out of the group stages of the Euros? Beggars can't be choosers and all that.

He could go after the Andorra game or who ever the bottom of the group is? San Marino?

[SkStu]

He could go after the Andorra game or who ever the bottom of the group is? San Marino?

Not a bad call really as it could all go horrible after Germany or Sweden... "Dunne-blame Massacre"... "Dun(ne) an Doras on the way out, Richard"...

Christ, I have too much time on my hands.

[mark12345]

I would prefer him to stick around. JOS would have to step up as I think it's patently obvious he's not a top quality full back.

JOS is not a top quality full back as you correctly point out. He's a complete waste of time, or to be more accurate he's taking up a place which some younger player like Duffy or Clark could fill. Whereas others tried and failed in Polsand, JOS couldn't even be accused of trying.

As far as Dunne goes, I won't be too bothered if he leaves. Top marks to him for his contribution over the years - he gave his heart and soul for the cause. Top lad in that respect. But as one article on bleacher report pointed out the other day, he is nowhere near the level of the top center backs in the game - Pique, Ramos, Vermealen. And we need to start blooding our defenders as players who can play a bit rather than just hoofing the ball away at every opportunity.

[Stuttgart88]

he is nowhere near the level of the top center backs in the game - Pique, Ramos, Vermealen. True, but that's a total red herring. He's our best CB so we'd be weaker without him. And he's a leader which every team needs. We're back to a qualifying campaign again and it's about being better than the teams we're up against. If we get to Brazil then we can worry about whther Dunne or whoever is good enough to face the opposition we're drawn against.

Also, as a team we need to be greater than the sum of its parts which we have been before and can be again. Comparisons with Spanish CBs are pointless. We haven't got one player who'd get near the Spanish squad.

Funnily enough, one of the first things Trap did on taking over was to get Dunne to carry the ball forward before passing. That was really noticable in the first game against Serbia. I don't know when that disappeared (when Steven Reid got injured?) but it certainly hasn't been the case for at least 2 years now. I think teaching CBs to play the ball starts at a young age. I suspect that's recognised but whether it's being acted upon is anyone's guess.

A CB needs a midfielder keen to be on the ball to play it to. Do we have one? It's not always about the centre-back. Passing the ball from the back is easy. Receiving it and developing play from that point on is the hard part.

[Crosby87]

Thats a good post Stutts.
I was talking to some Irish yesterday on vacation here about the team....its kind of like grasping at straws sometimes. We all know what we need but a lot of times we dont have it. I dont know if there is any answer at times. Its frustrating.

[SkStu]

Thats a good post Stutts.
I was talking to some Irish yesterday on vacation here about the team....its kind of like grasping at straws sometimes. We all know what we need but a lot of times we dont have it. I dont know if there is any answer at times. Its frustrating.

Absolutely, which goes back to the realization that a lot of us had after the Euros that there is something very wrong with the way we develop/farm players as a nation and how we consider it acceptable to allow the English system (which has the same deficiencies) dictate their "philosophy" on how Irish players will be coached and how they will play.

[mark12345]

Absolutely, which goes back to the realization that a lot of us had after the Euros that there is something very wrong with the way we develop/farm players as a nation and how we consider it acceptable to allow the English system (which has the same deficiencies) dictate their "philosophy" on how Irish players will be coached and how they will play.

Very true. It's about our lack oc coaching to our youngsters in the first place.

[Charlie Darwin]

JOS is not a top quality full back as you correctly point out. He's a complete waste of time, or to be more accurate he's taking up a place which some younger player like Duffy or Clark could fill. Whereas others tried and failed in Polsand, JOS couldn't even be accused of trying.

As far as Dunne goes, I won't be too bothered if he leaves. Top marks to him for his contribution over the years - he gave his heart and soul for the cause. Top lad in that respect. But as one article on bleacher report pointed out the other day, he is nowhere near the level of the top center backs in the game - Pique, Ramos, Vermealen. And we need to start blooding our defenders as players who can play a bit rather than just hoofing the ball away at every opportunity.
Can Duffy and Clark pass the ball better than Dunne and O'Shea? Of course they can't. I recognise the need to blood young players and that O'Shea in particular has been poor for us, but our defenders can't build from the back when the midfield is set up to shun possession and other teams find it so easy to force us into a long ball game. Clark and Duffy could come into the team, but they would do exactly what Dunne and O'Shea have been doing except with an added propensity for making mistakes and errors of judgement.

[EastTerracer]

Regardless of any retirement risk, it looks as if Richard Dunne is struggling to be fit for the Kazakhstan game after picking up a groin injury.

This is additionally concerning when The Doc has just posted elsewhere that St. Ledger was injured tonight as well. Hopefully Ciaran Clark might be getting a call up for the Serbia game.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soccer/2012/0801/1224321289478.html

[jbyrne]

seems certain to miss the match now...

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0802/1224321294442.html

[p2011]

Communication is still terrible under Trap. Dunne's club are annoyed and legend Shay Given gets sent a text to say he's being rested. Seriously, who uses text messages as a management tool? Especially at this level? They're so informal and so open to misinterpretation. Surely grown men who have given so much to us (3 off-days in Poland beside the point) deserve better. Why not a phone call, with interpreter on hand if needs be? Why not longer e-mails, with a "please confirm receipt within 24h" or something to make sure the e-mail has been received?

I think something is up in the camp and I'd love to know what it is. If Trap has lost some of our players due to sheer unprofessionalism, I'd like him gone.

[SwanVsDalton]

Communication is still terrible under Trap. Dunne's club are annoyed and legend Shay Given gets sent a text to say he's being rested. Seriously, who uses text messages as a management tool? Especially at this level? They're so informal and so open to misinterpretation. Surely grown men who have given so much to us (3 off-days in Poland beside the point) deserve better. Why not a phone call, with interpreter on hand if needs be? Why not longer e-mails, with a "please confirm receipt within 24h" or something to make sure the e-mail has been received?

I think something is up in the camp and I'd love to know what it is. If Trap has lost some of our players due to sheer unprofessionalism, I'd like him gone.

Keeping club's up to date with injuries isn't the managers job. Don't know how common texting is, but I suspect it's more common than we'd think - albeit managers using it probably speak the same language as the person they're sending it to...

[OwlsFan]

Communication is still terrible under Trap. Dunne's club are annoyed and legend Shay Given gets sent a text to say he's being rested. Seriously, who uses text messages as a management tool? Especially at this level? They're so informal and so open to misinterpretation. Surely grown men who have given so much to us (3 off-days in Poland beside the point) deserve better. Why not a phone call, with interpreter on hand if needs be? Why not longer e-mails, with a "please confirm receipt within 24h" or something to make sure the e-mail has been received?

I think something is up in the camp and I'd love to know what it is. If Trap has lost some of our players due to sheer unprofessionalism, I'd like him gone.

People end long term relationships by text. Compared to telling someone they are being rested for a game, the latter is in the halfpenny place.

[Stuttgart88]

Communication has been disastrous under Trap. I blame the FAI for this in the main. Trap can send texts all he wants but as long as they're only ancilalry tools over and above formal confirmation. I agree with 2011 except that I think communication shouldn't be his job except where personal explanations are required.

[Charlie Darwin]

Communication is still terrible under Trap. Dunne's club are annoyed and legend Shay Given gets sent a text to say he's being rested. Seriously, who uses text messages as a management tool? Especially at this level? They're so informal and so open to misinterpretation. Surely grown men who have given so much to us (3 off-days in Poland beside the point) deserve better. Why not a phone call, with interpreter on hand if needs be? Why not longer e-mails, with a "please confirm receipt within 24h" or something to make sure the e-mail has been received?

I think something is up in the camp and I'd love to know what it is. If Trap has lost some of our players due to sheer unprofessionalism, I'd like him gone.
While Trap's methods of communication baffle me, it's hard to see how Ireland are at fault for Dunne picking up an injury playing for his club 6 weeks after last playing for his country.

[dr_peepee]

People end long term relationships by text. Compared to telling someone they are being rested for a game, the latter is in the halfpenny place.

Don't mind her.... The bitch!!!

[Stuttgart88]

Villa seem to be stirring things up here. If there's anyone in the FAI who has external credibility it's Dr. Alan Byrne, after how he diagnosed Shane Duffy's injury and saved his life.

[tetsujin1979]

surprised nobody has pointed out that Dunne played at least two preseason games for Villa, before this was diagnosed

<EDIT>
Actually, it was just two games he played in:
VS Philadelphia Union: http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2853449,00.html
VS Chicago Fire: http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2856677,00.html

[John83]

While Trap's methods of communication baffle me, it's hard to see how Ireland are at fault for Dunne picking up an injury playing for his club 6 weeks after last playing for his country.
I presume the players are the ones who prefer text messaging. I really doubt septuagenarian Italians are that enthused by it. My dad's in his 60s, and can receive texts for work, but if he wants to reply, he has to hand the phone to someone else. Meanwhile, most people I know in their 20s are happy to text while simultaneously holding a conversation.

[paul_oshea]

Villa seem to be stirring things up here. If there's anyone in the FAI who has external credibility it's Dr. Alan Byrne, after how he diagnosed Shane Duffy's injury and saved his life.

Yes. Are you the first to only notice what, could be, going on here?

Its funny how people are finally realising Traps mis-communication and possible general feeling of something wrong in the camp.

[tetsujin1979]

it's not unreasonable to assume that Trapattoni communicates with the rest of the squad via text, and none of them have reported any problems with it

[geysir]

Is this just another outbreak of mindless gossip on the board.
The only mention Trap gets in that IT article is that he has made it abundantly clear he wants Dunne to stick around.
If Dunne had a medical issue then it's the medics who take decisions and communicate with club medics.

[tricky_colour]

Communication is still terrible under Trap. Dunne's club are annoyed and legend Shay Given gets sent a text to say he's being rested. Seriously, who uses text messages as a management tool? Especially at this level? They're so informal and so open to misinterpretation. Surely grown men who have given so much to us (3 off-days in Poland beside the point) deserve better. Why not a phone call, with interpreter on hand if needs be? Why not longer e-mails, with a "please confirm receipt within 24h" or something to make sure the e-mail has been received?

I think something is up in the camp and I'd love to know what it is. If Trap has lost some of our players due to sheer unprofessionalism, I'd like him gone.

I hear Trap is very up to date with modern technology, and will often sent out a
quick "u r drpd" when a player is not required :)

I suspect players would rather a text than a verbal message anyway.

[Paddy Garcia]

A text will do for 80% of the squad. No need for a call to the likes of Whelan.

However a telephone call is essential for those you want to keep on board like Dunne & Given. A call should also be made to those where there have been misunderstandings.

Pigeon is OK for McShane.