Limerick Desmond League 2014/15

[southern kid]

I see on the gaa website their is senior games this wknd, will it effect the title an relagation battles for many teams?

[Kolo_Yaya]

Whats the story with Division 3? 3 Teams on 31 points, I heard there would be play offs, have they been played? Ferry Rangers and Knockaderry go down to division 3, no surprises with the way their seasons went.

[Shoot]

they where not a joke when they dumped Glin A and Abbey A out of the Fai cup,ok they lost to Abbey A in the Munster junior beat Athea and lost to Rathkeale B on Penalties in the Desmond Cup. might be one of the largest towns in west limerick but not bad for the parish of Askeaton/Ballysteen to have three teams and Ballysteen to win Division 3 and Askeaton A to win Division 2 not bad at all or sorry its a joke

[sexyfootball]

Whats the story with Division 3? 3 Teams on 31 points, I heard there would be play offs, have they been played? Ferry Rangers and Knockaderry go down to division 3, no surprises with the way their seasons went.

There was a 3 way play-off played about a month or 2 ago, all in Clounreask... Ballysteen beat both NCW Rovers B & Broadford B to win Division 3 and NCW Rovers B beat Broadford B to finish second and get promoted to Division 2.

[fanaticfan]

Well lads. Who's gonna get relegated?

[walkover]

Athea and Killeaney if Carrig beat Newcastle this evening, which they probably will since Newcastle West have championship football tonight.
Can't see Killeaney getting points off Abbey tonight, but Newcastle West might on Sunday presuming Abbey will already have the league won tonight.

[tricky]

Ncw beat Carrig 6 2 tonight to hold onto their premier status, think Athea and kileaney lost, abbey are champions and will go down to last day for relegation

[fanaticfan]

Newcastle Rvrs 2-1 Rathkeale
Newcastle AFC 6-2 Carrig
Ballingarry 4-2 Athea
Abbey 3-1 Killeaney

Some I heard.

Abbeyfeale champions. Ncw AFC safe. Athea relegated. Between Carrig and killeaney on Sunday to stay up. Who do ye guys think will join Athea in division 1? I'm gonna go for killeaney to get relegated

[snafu]

The premier league trophy is back where it belongs. everyone knows that abbeyfeale have consistently been the top team in the Desmond league over the last 5 years. A mixture of terrible referees and jealousy from the referees over the years is the only reason that trophy cabinet isn't full to the brim. Consistently play the best football in the league, have the best facilities and get the furthest in national competitions, that speaks for itself. How long will we have to wait for the likes of Athea and killeaney to get floodlights...ha. With the best coaching staff in the league in place now I can see abbeyfeale dominating the league for many years to come.

[last man back]

Well done to Abbey on a fine season. Wudnt be getting excited about the floodlights though snafu, schoolboy league is changing to summer soccer how long before junior football follows, I'd think playing surface in athea and killeaney better than abbeys

[Johnnie C]

Division 2 League Cup Final: Knockaderry 1 Granagh United 1 (Knockaderry won 4-2 on penalties) Very good game to watch from two committed teams. Knockaderry the better side in normal time with Granagh on top in extra time. Rob Egan was awarded the man of the match trophy.

[Crazy Lady]

Well done to Abbey on winning the league, best team over the course of the season but that's an awful silly post from snafu.
Abbey have been nowhere near the best team over the last 5 years and have been in contention for relegation with 2 games to go in 2 of the past 4 seasons.
Also your comments regarding referees is very much invalid as every referee in the league does their best to help them especially John Roche who should never be allowed to referee any Abbey game as he's basically an Abbey man!
Your final point regarding the facilities/floodlights is probably your stupidest point. What's the point having floodlights when yer playing surface is 1 of the poorest in the league, especially after rain. Glin, Ballingarry, Killeaney, Ncw Rovers, Broadford, Athea, Clonreask, Rathkeale, Bally Rovers, Askeaton all have better playing surfaces that Abbey and that's the most important thing when talking about facilities! Actually bar Carrig then Abbey is the worst playing surface in the Premier. And I won't even mention little Billy's sandcastles in each goalmouth.....

[old man]

Well said crazy lady. Have 2 agree with u 100%

[fanaticfan]

Crazy Lady... That's the best post Iv ever seen on here. Can do nothing but clap my hands in agreement with you .. Abbey pitch is terrible. Full of sand..

On soccer news. Carrig beat broadford 4-3 this morning but it was no good for them as they were relegated because killeaney beat shannonside 3-2. Killeaney got two penos and shannonside keeper sent off.

[twotouch]

Rathkeale B 4 up at half time league wrapped up... Excellent season the double is done and the 1st B team to my knowledge to win Div 1... Still the Desmond cup final to go aswell

[fanaticfan]

Ya rathkeale a fine team to be fair. Pity they can't go up to the premier. Is it definitely 2nd and 3rd going up or would Carrig play 3rd place in division 1 to see if they stay in the premier

[mad4it]

I know that in the Clare and Limerick city leagues they have had play-offs when this has happened before. Does the Desmond league have a rule in place for when this happens? Surely a play-off is the best way to sort it out.

[fanaticfan]

I think its 2nd and 3rd that go up

[one_cap_wonder]

Congratulations to Abbey on winning the league. Potentially a great season for them within the next few weeks. However that was an outstanding post from Crazy Lady... Hit the nail on the head on a number of points. Well done to Killeaney on staying up, aided by some curious decisions from the referee on the final day.

With the season having just come to an end it may be a little bit early, but looking forward to next season what changes can the league put in place to ensure a more competitive league and interesting league..?
A few personal suggestions...
Firstly and most importantly a master fixture list which allows every club and player to know exactly who and when they are playing and all fixtures to be kept accordingly. Not this nonsense of playing one week and then nothing for 3/4 weeks.
Move the league cup to midweek in Clonreask before xmas, allowing every club to play under lights.
Bring forward kick off times to 11 and 2 (would rather 10:30).
Play the first four league games, Thursday, Sunday, Thursday, Sunday.
Extend winter break to allow pitches time to recover and players to enjoy xmas and new year.
Or do you think the league will be big enough to eventually switch to the summer in a few seasons time?
Any one have anything else they can think of?

[Johnnie C]

A master fixture list does come out, printed in Observer at start of season but once the cup competitions start and games are called off for various reasons it's not adhered to as much. Playing league cup games at Clounreask like District League do at Jackman is an interesting idea alright.

[Soreloser]

Don't often comment on posts to this site but just cannot let Snafu's comments pass without a reply,
1. Who gives him/Her the right to say where the premier league trophy belongs:-Surely it ends up where it belongs every year ? With the most consistent team over the league program.
2. A Mixture of Terrible Referees & Jealous Referees :- Not sure where thats coming from,Why would Referees be jealous of Abbeyfeale , Desmond Referees have been further in Munster & FAI competitions (Refereed the FAI Junior Cup FINAL in 2009) than any team from Desmond league in the last few years including this year when they reffed the Munster Youths Cup Final and will ref the Munster Junior final in Tralee next Sunday and nobody has ever said afterwards that they were involved in a betting coup unlike that alleged about Abbeyfeale after the Moyross game this year.
3. Where is Abbeyfeale's trophy cabinet located :- Love to see their collection of trophies sometime, would they contain all of the Man of the match trophies awarded by the league P.R.O who by the way is not biased in any way shape or form towards Abbeyfeale, you just have to listen to his reports on the radio or read them in the Observer to know that.
4.Floodlights :- More power from candles, they must be among the weakest lights ever turned on and only cover some of the beach (Sorry Pitch) Maybe they think nobody will play in the corners so no point in wasting Electricity by trying to light that bit.
5.Coaching staff :- Best Coaches in Abbey are probably the tour buses full of American tourists heading through to Kerry.
6. in fairness they will probably win the Desmond cup as well but for all their alleged greatness how may supporters will they bring to Clounreask to see that happen, my guess is probably very few but would be delighted to see them prove me wrong. Maybe SNAFU can use some of His/Her powers of persuasion (HOT AIR) to get them out for the Final. Oh and if they are going make sure to give them directions to Clounreask as I reckon not many of them have been there before.

[omarbarksdale]

Well done to Askeaton. Best team in the entire league with the best facilities and soundest lads.

[fanaticfan]

Another great post by Soreloser. What do you mean by "nobody has ever said afterwards that they were involved in a betting coup unlike that alleged about Abbeyfeale after the Moyross game this year". I'm sure on not the only one that interested in hear what that's about.

[sweeper]

Rathkeale B 4 up at half time league wrapped up... Excellent season the double is done and the 1st B team to my knowledge to win Div 1... Still the Desmond cup final to go aswell
Easy to have a good B team when 90% of the A team are outsiders..

[Shoot]

yea i would like to know about the alleged bribery involving the Abbey and Moyross game, the size of Abbeyfeale you would think they should have a lot more leagues won and munster junior cups won, they have some pick from considering there is only 2 teams near them ie Glantine & Athea (correct me if i am wrong) compared to Askeaton, Ballysteen, Kilcornan, Pallaskenry, Killdimo, Rathkeale and Shannon side all close together. I dont think summer soccer is the way to go it is going to close down the smaller clubs who will have to join up with bigger clubs. i dont think taking on the GAA AND MAKING KIDS CHOOS

[Shoot]

making kids choose what code to play is a good idea.

[skyhome]

90% of Rathkeale B team are outsiders aswell as far as I'm aware. Don't really see what the big deal is anyways whether players are from Rathkeale or not

[Crazy Lady]

Ye were right about the playoff for who plays in the Premier next season. Glin vs Kildimo playoff this Sunday to decide who finishes second in Division 1 & automatically gets promoted to the Premier while the loser plays Carrig Celtic & the winner of that also gets promoted!
Personally I think it's an absolute joke, as Carrig finished second last they should be automatically relegated. There was never any mention of this playoff all along & Glin & Kildimo were lead to believe that they'd both be going up, otherwise both teams could have pushed on harder to do a bit better towards the end of the season.
I'm not suggesting that's it's just been done to help Carrig or to try to keep Glin Rovers down in Division 1 but there's definately some alterior motive to it as I've never heard of it used in the Desmond League before, has anybody else?
I wonder if Pat King had anything to do with it, not saying he had but I do wonder.

[sexyfootball]

Playoff? WTF? When was all this agreed?
The story i've heard all along was, that, although Rathkeale B cannot be promoted as winners or runners up, the team or teams directly below them should be promoted in their place i.e. 2nd & 3rd in Division 1! Not once have i ever heard of this play off crap. Kildimo & Glin should be feeling very hard done by... as Crazy Lady said if teams had known this they may have pushed harder towards the end of the season!
It sets up 2 interseting matches though, must try and make them!
Alot of remarks about Abbey here too, although some people are posting stupid crap here about them (best team in last 5 years, great ground etc.) they are clearly team of the season; 2 cup finals, Prem champs & last 8 in Munster fair play to them best team throughout the season.

[Jumper]

The league PRO has announced on the radio over the past number of weeks that Glin and Kildimo had been promoted so don't see how the league can turn around now and tell those clubs that they have not been promoted. Seems like someone is making up the rules as they go along.

[Langerdan007]

The rules have to be decided beforehand Jumper!? :p

Talking to a few of the Kildimo lads a while back I thought they were under the impression that 2nd and 3rd get promoted if a B team win or 2nd
Seems a bit rich to be introducing a playoff now - is this the first time though a B team has been in a position to be promoted into the same division as an A team?!

*** EDIT ***
Had it confirmed there that they were told with 2 games to go both were promoted and would playoff for 2nd to see who got the medals - seemingly Carrig objected and now the loser plays off with Carrig

Disgraceful from the league!

[sexyfootball]

Not sure, but think NCW B could have been there or there abouts in Division 1 a couple of seasons ago... someone wiser than me would know the answer to that :p !

[seaniefitz]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The Desmond league is more corrupt than FIFA.

The Desmond league put it on their OWN, website, in their gospel (The Observer) and said it on the radio that both Kildimo and Glin were promoted. Kildimo sent half a team to play Rockhill and drew 2v2 because they thought they were already promoted and knew Rathkeale weren't going to slip up twice in their last 2 games. Are they going to be allowed to go back and play that game again?

The rules are quite clear, Two Up and Two Down. They say nothing about a playoff!!

Finally, fair play to Rathkeale B, they had a great season. But aren't a B team supposed to supplement an A team? Rathkeale A (Or West Limerick United as they should be called) had only 9 players recently and the B's have about 9 subs??? After the year they've had, shouldn't the B's be demanding to be the first team in Rathkeale next year?

[Crazy Lady]

Disgraceful and very unsporting behaviour from Carrig Celtic. I also have been informed that they lodged an objection & that's why this has come about. They have had 18 games to acquire Premier Division safety and havn't managed to attain it as they've finished 2nd last in the division so if they had any class about them they would have accepted their fate, taken their relegation with a bit of dignity & focused on bouncing back up again next season which I've no doubt they could have done. It leaves a real bad taste going to meeting and pulling one of these "quick one's" when nobody is ready or expecting it. If you can't win it on the field then where's the point in winning it at a meeting. Must say I'm also extremely disappointed at the Desmond League for rolling over to their objection. To change a rule after the season is over is an absolute disgrace. Carric Celtic FC should feel absolutely ashamed of themselves. I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have heard any of this crap from NCW or Killeaney or Athea if they'd been the one's to finish second last. I for 1 hope that both Glin Rovers & Kildimo both go up but I doubt that they will as I think Carrig will be too strong for whoever loses the first game as mentally it can be hard to recover from losing the first game. I think Kildimo could be the one's to miss out, hope not though.

[thomas72]

Carrig are getting slaughtered. They got relegated Sunday. Then all these rumours came out bout a playoff because rathkeale B won division 1 and two teams in second level on points. So carrig simply asked for clarification and confirmation had they been relegated. Only to be told no there's a playoff between whoever loses the second place. Carrig simply asked a question and now this farce and there being made out to be the guilty party

There's the facts lads they put no objection in whatsoever reading the posts on here people need to look at yer league its there decision not carrig celtic.
Wrong decision IMO but not carrigs

[skyhome]

if kildimo and glin wer any gud they would have been first and second and not a B team winning division 1

[Crazy Lady]

That's true Skyhome but I know Glin havn't trained since Xmas at which time they basically had promotion guaranteed or so they were led to believe by Desmond League officials.
If Carrig were any good then they wouldn't have finished in the bottom 2 & had to be running to the Desmond League "asking questions" of them. They finished in the bottom 2, therefore should be relegated, no ifs or buts about it.
They are of no benefit to the Premier Division anyway, with their awful playing surface (worst playing surface in the division) & caveman-like 'Kick & Chase' tactics.

[mad4it]

People are very quick to blame Carrig for the playoff situation when they don't even know what's gone on. I know for a fact that Carrig never objected and it was the leagues decision to have a playoff as that is what happens in other leagues. Kildimo should have played for pride at least and sent a full team out to play rockhill. The league is 18 games not 17. All of those people jumping to conclusions need to find out the facts first. I've played Carrig many times and always found them to be honest and sporting and to suggest pat king had anything to do with it is also a disgrace.

[sexyfootball]

About time there was a bit of chat in this forum... gas, that it seems to be only to slate Abbeyfeale & Carrig with a hint of Rathkeale also... LOVE IT!
This whole play-off thing has put a right dampener on the relegation/ promotion between divisions!
Ultimately it is the Desmond League who have implemented this & to be fair if I was in Carrigs position i'd have queried it if it meant 'we' had a chance of staying up... why not?
There's no doubting it will at least provide two entertaining games.

[tricky]

I'd have to agree, why should a third placed team be automatically promoted, I say fair play to league for letting it be sorted out on the field.

[Crazy Lady]

Mad4it states " I know for a fact that Carrig never objected and it was the leagues decision to have a playoff as that is what happens in other leagues."

This is a complete lie cos I know for a fact that they did look for the playoff route. I know you're probably just trying to save face for your club but there's no point coming on here and telling lies about it! Glin & Kildimo should be in the Premier, they were told that they'd been promoted so I don't see how the league can go back & change it's mind when the season is over!

[tricky]

If they deserve to be in premier, let em prove that on the field and not by finishing in 3rd place

[mad4it]

Crazy lady you're obviously a glin or kildimo supporter or just someone with a deep hatred for carrig celtic. I have not told any lies when I said carrig didn't object. I am not a member or player with carrig but I am friendly with a lot of their players and I know they didn't object just asked the question as there was some confusion over it. I agree that they deserve to be relegated but I also think that finishing in 3rd place does not deserve to be promoted so a playoff is the fairest result. It is wrong to come on here and berate a club as much as you have. Im sure all the other premier league teams would prefer the changing facilities and showers that carrig supply even though they play "cavemen like tactics" rather than changing on the side of the road and going home covered in s**t like what happens elsewhere.

[UnitedweStand]

A long time reader of the forum but had to register when things started to heat up on here. From what I heard Carrig asked a question about what the Desmond league have in place for situations where a B team finish in the promotion positions. Its up to the Desmond league to decide on it. What the Desmond league probably done was look at the rest of the leagues in Munster and realised that all other leagues goto a playoff. Bashing Carrig because of it seems a bit over the top
Hypotetically, if Rathkeale B, Abbeyfeale B, Broadford B and NCW Rovers B finished in the top 4 positions in Division 1, would that mean 5th and 6th would get promoted?? Dont think anyone would be complaining then about a playoff

[UnitedweStand]

That's true Skyhome but I know Glin havn't trained since Xmas at which time they basically had promotion guaranteed or so they were led to believe by Desmond League officials.
If Carrig were any good then they wouldn't have finished in the bottom 2 & had to be running to the Desmond League "asking questions" of them. They finished in the bottom 2, therefore should be relegated, no ifs or buts about it.
They are of no benefit to the Premier Division anyway, with their awful playing surface (worst playing surface in the division) & caveman-like 'Kick & Chase' tactics.

ha ha Crazy lady - you have a serious grudge against Carrig for some reason. Would you honestly rather Kildimo's first class facilities of heated car seats to change in and a shower of a bottle of Ballygowan thrown over you. Plus a loveley tree to protect you from the rain.. No offence to the Kildimo players or management meant here but I know where I would rather go on a cold wet Sunday morning..
Also, can't understand what you mean by they wont be a loss to the Desmond league. Look at their goals scored and against column. We played them 5 times over the past 2 years and the matches have been 4-3, 6-2, 3-3, 3-3 and 4-3 again.. Would you rather watch a 0-0 draw??? Plus I saw them in the league cup final against abbeyfeale last year and that match was probably one of the better finals I have been to. 2-1 with loads of goalmouth action on both sides and they played alot better than cavemen kick and chase like football that you think you see

[Ballistinianlad]

Whatever about Carrig objecting etc the league should have it clearly stated at the start of the season what would happen if a b team won division 1. That would avoid any confusion. Have rules and stick to them.

[seaniefitz]

I don't understand why Kildimo are even involved. If it's decided that there should be a playoff, it should be between Carrig and Glin. If Kildimo lose both games then they will have finished second and the team in third will have got promoted. How does that make sense? The team who came second always got promoted!!

But lets be honest, most of the 'big' teams would prefer to see Glin and Carrig in the premier than Kildimo. And I think that's what it's really coming down too. The rules are being changed to try to make that happen. It's lucky NCW pulled out of the relegation zone, because I have no doubt that if they finished second last, Kildimo and Glin would have been told only one team was getting promoted this year.

And mad4it its easy to say 'Kildimo should have played for pride at least and sent a full team out to play rockhill.' But after Glin scored a 90th minute equalizer against Kildimo it was clear that neither team was going to catch Rathkeale. I know because I scored the og that drew that game against Glin. So when lads have been taking time off work, travelling back from college, etc. all season, you can't blame them for not doing it for a match against Rockhill that, as they thought at the time, ment nothing. Kildimo still sent 14 players to Rockhill and fulfilled every fixture, unlike a lot of other teams. It's because of teams not full-filling fixtures and 3v0 scorelines being award, and sending 8 and 9 players to games and getting slaughtered that goal difference doesn't count. Where is there pride? Where is Carrig's pride? Trying to stay in the league on a technicality. Every other league in the world goes by goal difference but of course the Desmond league would have to be different.

And come out of the fog with Carrig didn't object..........the Desmond league decided to voluntarily bring this mess upon themselves did they? They're bad but they're not that bad.

[fanaticfan]

I think they should bring in the goal difference back. You could finish top of the table level on points with second place and +30 goals better but lose a playoff decider. In my opinion that's stupid. Carrig finished second last so therefore should be relegated because they were the second worst team in the premier division.

[desmondwest]

Rathkeale B, fair play, were always going to top the div, so the lge should have been aware of this possible scenario, The rule is there, same as the Clare and the City lge, I think the Desmond lge possibly aren't up to speed with their own rules & relegations. Crazy lady, name fits alright, to suggest Pat King had a pull on this, that's pathetic & When was the last time you played against Carrig Celtic or in Carrigkerry ???? Doesn't say much for the Prem Division if a team that play with 'Caveman' like tatics won the lge cup last year. From what Ive seen this season, Carrig deserve to go down, I've herd that Carrig are losing a few players in the coming weeks that are going abroad so I dunno if a playoff will even help their cause. Personally, This playoff rule was first brought to my attention a few weeks ago when Killaney were facing relegation, from what I herd it was highlighted to their club by a well known die hard desmond lge man from Killaney, as a possible escape clause if needed, and from talking to the Carrig lads, they caught wind of it and simply asked for clarification. Desmond lge is just farcical @ times.

[Langerdan007]

Jaysus this has blown up


It doesn't really matter how the playoff came about really, for me "questioning" whats going to happen is an objection by a different name, you were 2nd bottom in your division, you're relegated but what I would consider a more important issue is how the Desmond League can announce thru all its mediums that 2 teams have been promoted and then back track once the season has finished!

Thats the worst part of the whole debacle to my mind