Limerick Division 1A 2013/14

[Hibs7772]

Ive seen bigger upsets happen then Shannon town beating Moyross, although Moyross would be favourites Shannon town wont lie down to any team, and as second stated could panic knowing they need something from the game to be promoted :)
Well your prediction was spot on Melonhead would you say they paniced after the 6th or the 7th goal?:pCongrats to Moyross on winning the league!!:ball:

[Hibs7772]

Shannon Hibs 1-1 Kilmallock, Evan Barry the scorer for Hibs. Heard Caherconlish won 5-3 against Caherdavin

[old git]

Well your prediction was spot on Melonhead would you say they paniced after the 6th or the 7th goal?:pCongrats to Moyross on winning the league!!:ball:

hibs7772

don't tell me you were up watching Shannon town v moyross when your team were at home drawing 1-1 with killmallock ??

[Hibs7772]

hibs7772

don't tell me you were up watching Shannon town v moyross when your team were at home drawing 1-1 with killmallock ??
Clearly not when i just put up the Hibs result!;)

[don't panic]

Hibs gone,some might say that they are 'gone to pot'

[Coolcat]

Time now for hibs to get the right manager in..rumours starting all ready with Donal Magee being mentioned...

[Shuffleruns]

Time now for hibs to get the right manager in..rumours starting all ready with Donal Magee being mentioned...

That wouldn't help...

[Second]

Time now for hibs to get the right manager in..rumours starting all ready with Donal Magee being mentioned...

He will be at shannon town next year..

[Shuffleruns]

He will be at shannon town next year..

You sound quite sure about that...

[old git]

He will be at shannon town next year..

strange you said that as the word is james carraig ( cags) taking over again next year ?

[old git]

Hibs gone,some might say that they are 'gone to pot'

harsh :D but probally gone to pot since xmas .

[Second]

strange you said that as the word is james carraig ( cags) taking over again next year ?

I doubt that didn't he leave on bad terms last time.. alot of lads won't play for him I'd say.. he would be a good man for the job.. then again the bous who stood in this since xmas have done well

[old git]

I doubt that didn't he leave on bad terms last time.. alot of lads won't play for him I'd say.. he would be a good man for the job.. then again the bous who stood in this since xmas have done well

did he not leave last time due to health problems ?? be plenty of rumours of managers & players moving /leaving our the next few weeks

[don't panic]

Heard there was a lot of trouble in Shannon last night. A small contingent of so called moyross fans caused havoc. Pity as it seems to have taken the gloss of moyross title

[old git]

Heard there was a lot of trouble in Shannon last night. A small contingent of so called moyross fans caused havoc. Pity as it seems to have taken the gloss of moyross title

three bus loads of supporters came out and party atmosphere with drums etc ,, but a few so called supporters let them down . londis shop had a few unwelcome visitors and also one lad mugged at knife-point ?? pity as a magnificent season for moyross to finish as champions and promotion to premier league

[Second]

three bus loads of supporters came out and party atmosphere with drums etc ,, but a few so called supporters let them down . londis shop had a few unwelcome visitors and also one lad mugged at knife-point ?? pity as a magnificent season for moyross to finish as champions and promotion to premier league

Moyross supporters = scumbags.. who goes to an away match with a knife only a group of knackers.

[AC Melon]

Moyross supporters = scumbags.. who goes to an away match with a knife only a group of knackers.
These lads have left moyross down after such a great season for them, great support showed up at the game only for a few lads to cause havoc, 1 lad held 3 young lads at knife point, he has been caught by the guards thankfully. Well done to Moyross and Knockainey for getting promoted!

[don't panic]

Originally thought second was being a bit harsh, but find myself agreeing with him. Yet again we see a small minority of people tarnishing moyross and moyross fc reputation.

[Second]

Originally thought second was being a bit harsh, but find myself agreeing with him. Yet again we see a small minority of people tarnishing moyross and moyross fc reputation.

I know a few of the moyross lads and they are gents but no need to do that stuff..

[Fairkop]

well done moyross,great season but tarnished throughout with tales like above.

[Two Feet Up]

Very bad season for hibs in the end. Wonder what will happen in the summer and who they can get in to turn things around, or will they amalgamate with Shannon town

[don't panic]

Here we go again, amalgamation talk. It will never happen as I can never see shannon town give up the name and all of a sudden the name is a sticking point to the same people who discarded their own identities only 7 years ago

[Second]

Shannon town seem to be having success at underage level so cant see why they would want to join up as eventually more kids will just move clubs anyway..

[Football-Unites]

At this stage, it should have its own thread, but I'll post here anyway. Football in Shannon ? Number of Clubs in Shannon ? History of all clubs and so much more. Football in Shannon, in general is not in a great place.

There's no doubting that many people involved in all the clubs work hard for their club's success, but what is success for a junior club in Shannon ? I wouldn't imagine that any of the clubs have ever sat down and decided on what they see as success, I don't mean trivial success such as league or cup wins, I mean real success - where the club is going, how it's going there and what's needed for it to happen. Is it the right thing for football in Shannon.

Shannon needs a maximum of 2 clubs, 1 playing in the Clare League and 1 playing in the Limerick League. 1 club would be ideal, but it will never happen. The most common sense thing that could happen is for Shannon Town and Shannon Hibs to amalgamate, put aside their small differences and really come together for the betterment of football in the Town. The practical side of things would be easy to resolve, club name, club colours and so on, but only if both clubs are agreed on the same path forward. People spout off statistics about the population of Shannon and that it can sustain more then 1 club, more than 2 and so on, but just look at the recent season, Shannon Town struggled for numbers at various times during the season, as did hibs - which ultimately meant they amalgamated their b team to the 1st team, Hibs relegated and Town had a very poor season.

People need to sit in a room, put their bias aside and really talk through the issues, concerns and/or pros of an amalgamation. The history of the clubs could be maintained and sustained much easier as a single unit, as opposed to the current set-up... ie neither club having a top dressing room/club house set-up that can truly show their clubs history. Why not one club house that shows it all, that everyone can be proud of and shows that Shannon as a town can be progressive when it comes to sport.

One club, especially for underage teams would help the community and would help young people from all over Shannon to come together and play for the club.

Yes it would be difficult, but anything worth doing is normally difficult, but the end result would be for the betterment of everyone. There's a lot more that needs to be said, that needs to be talked about, but without people wanting real change, then nothing will happen. Narrow minded people will stop this happening becuase they can't see the bigger picture, they just focus on their own little patch, and that's all they care about.

[don't panic]

Although under age success is nice, a club with a weak junior set up will never be judged as successful. And at the moment both Hibs and town are weak junior teams. Also all towns recent success is division 1 level.

[Two Feet Up]

Although under age success is nice, a club with a weak junior set up will never be judged as successful. And at the moment both Hibs and town are weak junior teams. Also all towns recent success is division 1 level.

agree. if the successful teams at underage stay together till they are junior players and succeed there it would be great, however its most likely they go to the best junior team locally with some possibly heading into town.

also agree that Shannon town would not 'give up the name' , maybe because they hold a good hand with hibs not doing to well, however hibs have the best facilities. amalgamation is the way to go for the future of football in Shannon! for those who care about their 'little patch' and not for what is best for the young players of Shannon, hold out against any amalgamation

[Second]

Although under age success is nice, a club with a weak junior set up will never be judged as successful. And at the moment both Hibs and town are weak junior teams. Also all towns recent success is division 1 level.

I dont think it really matters what division the kids are in as winning is a habit and means kids are having fun and enjoying football. Plus in fairness shannon wouldn't have the pick of some of the bigger clubs in town..
For what its worth I do think both clubs should join forces

[Shuffleruns]

I dont think it really matters what division the kids are in as winning is a habit and means kids are having fun and enjoying football. Plus in fairness shannon wouldn't have the pick of some of the bigger clubs in town..
For what its worth I do think both clubs should join forces

NOW is the perfect time for the two clubs to amalgamate. Probably won't. They should push for another meeting like before to discuss it again..

[don't panic]

Any time you speak to committee members from both clubs, they all say they are in favor of amalgamation. Didn't Gerard Kelly say on here a while back that he was working for it?. However, nothing ever gets done. Don't agree with statements that committee members on both sides are only looking after their own patches, hard working people in both clubs who never get the credit they deserve.

[Football-Unites]

''also agree that Shannon town would not 'give up the name' , maybe because they hold a good hand with hibs not doing to well, however hibs have the best facilities. amalgamation is the way to go for the future of football in Shannon! for those who care about their 'little patch' and not for what is best for the young players of Shannon, hold out against any amalgamation''

People missing the point, it's not about who has the upper hand, who keeps the name, or any of that crap. If done properly, everybody (within reason) can be kept happy.
A joint name is the only answer, every second team have the Shannon Town colours and every second team having the hibs colours - register Home and Away colours and keep them as the current colours for each club. eg: u10's wear Town colours, 12's Hibs, 14's Town, 16's etc etc A Team Play season one in Town colours, B Team in Hibs and vice versa there after. It's not about the colours, it's about the crest and the betterment of football in all areas.
Amalgamate the crests - get someone creative to design it (surely amongst all the contacts, this could be achieved).

A meeting should be held and people should say what's on their minds, pros/cons worries, keep the emotion out of it - the emotion comes from the smaller things, but they cloud over the bigger picture.
Would love for it to happen - if done right, but unfortunately can't see it happening.... Have a meeting and take the first step.

Shannon Town Hibernian - 1 Club, 1 Goal

[Football-Unites]

Don't Panic - I don't think anyone suggested that the committee members are only looking after their own patches and don't get credit. It clearly says that there are very hard working people involved with the clubs. In reality, you would expect current committees to only look after their own little patch. My point is that various people on either side will not want amalgamation because it will affect them in some way, it will upset their patch, it will mean they lose some control, or maybe get extra control, but ultimately people don't want the hassle of change, whether it is or is not the right thing to do.
The current set-up is broken, amalgamation is the only way to fix it.

[Two Feet Up]

Don't Panic - I don't think anyone suggested that the committee members are only looking after their own patches and don't get credit. It clearly says that there are very hard working people involved with the clubs. In reality, you would expect current committees to only look after their own little patch. My point is that various people on either side will not want amalgamation because it will affect them in some way, it will upset their patch, it will mean they lose some control, or maybe get extra control, but ultimately people don't want the hassle of change, whether it is or is not the right thing to do.
The current set-up is broken, amalgamation is the only way to fix it.

I think the only way this would happen if somebody (knowledgeable) about football, would sit at the top, this person could have no main allegiance to any club, with the committee made up of existing member from each club. Then the dream can start becoming a reality

[Football-Unites]

Lads, Any interest in moving this to a different Thread ? There doesn't seem to be much interest in this at the moment. Over the past while various people have commented on it, but there doesn't seem to be any traction, or progress at all.

[Shuffleruns]

Lads, Any interest in moving this to a different Thread ? There doesn't seem to be much interest in this at the moment. Over the past while various people have commented on it, but there doesn't seem to be any traction, or progress at all.

Yeah do, might speed it up :D

[don't panic]

Do you actually think that the committes of either club takes notice of 3 r 4 anonymous people = Delusion

[Football-Unites]

Yeah I will do Shuffleruns and it will all be sorted in no time :cool::D

Don't Panic - Love your positivity about the whole thing, you must be in favour of it. I'm not for one second suggesting that the people on this forum can or would incite change at committee levels of the clubs, but as I did say, there have been probably 9 or 10 people (maybe more) that have voiced opinions about it on this forum, so I just thought it may be worthwhile giving this it's own thread. Wasn't Gerry Kelly on here saying he was very much in favour of amalgamation, I'd say he might have some connections at committee level in one of the clubs - but that's just a guess :eek: Would love to know your thoughts about what should be done, and how it could be done - what would be the first step etc etc

[don't panic]

Personally, I wouldn't be in favour of it. I think its great to have local rivalry and still lament the demise of Newtown. Spoke wit a very prominent member of town a while back and although he himself is in favour of it, he admitted that as long as the name is on the agenda it would never happen. I can't help but admire the fact that town are holding on to their history and not throwing 45 years away

[Football-Unites]

How is amalgamation throwing away 45 years of history ? Just because 2 clubs amalgamate, it doesn't mean they lose their history - doesn't even come close to it. History cannot be change, or be thrown away, it will always be there. A silly statement and typical of the people that don't want progress.
There's nothing better than local rivalry, just a pity it's at a really crap level, with both clubs having positive things going for them, but neither having anything close to the full package.

[Lev Yashin]

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results


It didn't work the first time and if it is done the same way it wont work again.

I agree something needs to be done and ya maybe an amalgamation is the way forward but it has to be done right rather than pick a name, pick a colour, pick a pitch, pick a manager sorted!!!

This comes up every year at this time after clubs have had mediocre or bad seasons...its knee jerk and it will take more than the summer months to iron out what needs to be done.

I have said it before Shannon is plenty big enough to have two clubs, there is no motivation from "kids" to keep playing football...hit 17/18 find beer/women/(insert other vice here) and lose interest. That needs to addressed, Football should be an outlet not a chore.

[old git]

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results


It didn't work the first time and if it is done the same way it wont work again.

I agree something needs to be done and ya maybe an amalgamation is the way forward but it has to be done right rather than pick a name, pick a colour, pick a pitch, pick a manager sorted!!!

This comes up every year at this time after clubs have had mediocre or bad seasons...its knee jerk and it will take more than the summer months to iron out what needs to be done.

I have said it before Shannon is plenty big enough to have two clubs, there is no motivation from "kids" to keep playing football...hit 17/18 find beer/women/(insert other vice here) and lose interest. That needs to addressed, Football should be an outlet not a chore.

lev
Shannon Olympic wont be impressed to be forgotten about being a Shannon club :D

if you take into account b teams you had 6 teams in Shannon up until hibs scrapped b team and rineanna rovers probally have 10-11 Shannon lads in their current squad personally I think it is to many junior teams and what is a bigger worry is none of the Shannon teams have a youth team at the moment

[Second]

Shannon town have a 17s team isn't that the equivalent of youths now.. saying that they seem to be struggling too

[OneNightOnly]

Shannon town have a 17s team isn't that the equivalent of youths now.. saying that they seem to be struggling too

Lost there better players to Newmarket I believe mid season

[Shuffleruns]

Lost there better players to Newmarket I believe mid season

If there was one decent club in shannon players wouldnt leave so easily..

[Football-Unites]

I don't think the reason psople are talking about this is because either team has had mediocre (to put it mildly) seasons, maybe it is, but that's not why I think it's the right thing to do. As I said, both clubs have plenty of positive things going for them, but both clubs are miles off having anything near the full package. In this day and age, it's hard for each club do do everything, have great facilities, clubhouse, training areas etc etc, but combined Town and Hibs would have a foundation that together could be forged into something significant.

No way is it as simple as pick manager, pick colours, pick name - of course it's way more complicated than that, but most of those are relatively small things in the greater scheme of things.

Even something as simple as having the best coaches train the underage teams, that alone is a good benefit, but there are so many more positives.

[Lev Yashin]

I don't think the reason psople are talking about this is because either team has had mediocre (to put it mildly) seasons, maybe it is, but that's not why I think it's the right thing to do. As I said, both clubs have plenty of positive things going for them, but both clubs are miles off having anything near the full package. In this day and age, it's hard for each club do do everything, have great facilities, clubhouse, training areas etc etc, but combined Town and Hibs would have a foundation that together could be forged into something significant.

No way is it as simple as pick manager, pick colours, pick name - of course it's way more complicated than that, but most of those are relatively small things in the greater scheme of things.

Even something as simple as having the best coaches train the underage teams, that alone is a good benefit, but there are so many more positives.

Sorry I probably didn't come across right. I meant that there is much more to an amalgamation that what I mentioned.

In theory it would probably be a good thing for football in the town but in theory a lot of things work...Communism and democracy for instance :)

The joining of Park and Newtown should have worked, you had the basis of two good clubs there but the fact that people are now calling for another amalgamation means something did go wrong. Which is the reason I would be a bit sceptical of doing it again.
I'm not dead against it I just think it needs to be done right with people who have the good of football in Shannon as their best interest.
:ball:

[don't panic]

Have thought about this topic a lot over last week and am now of the opinion that the 2 clubs should sit down and try and find some common ground. My only concern is that after the last amalgamation a lot of good people lost to local soccer

[old git]

Have thought about this topic a lot over last week and am now of the opinion that the 2 clubs should sit down and try and find some common ground. My only concern is that after the last amalgamation a lot of good people lost to local soccer

Don't panic the line of a lot of good people lost to local soccer is wearing thin now... some of these people were behind amalgamation and walked away from it when it started or more recently
As i have said before why did these people walk ? and nothing to stop them getting involved with other shannon teams ? bit over the top to blame amalgamation for driving people out of junior soccer :mad:

check your local history on how the shannon clubs were formed ? Park people broke away from shannon town / newtown also broke away from town and Olympic broke away from Newtown why did these people not walk away fromlocal soccer at the time ?

[Beam me up]

Any amalgamation in Shannon would need to include all three clubs not just Town and Hibs. The reason the first amalgamation hasn't been great is because it only reduced the number of clubs in the Town from 4 to 3 and then as someone else pointed out you have a lot of Shannon Football people involved in Rineanna. Football has been on the slide on this Town for a lot of years now and one amalgamation between 2 of the 4 clubs wasn't goint to sort it.
Football has to compete with GAA and Rugby and then it has to compete with another two clubs in the Town at least the other sports dont have to compete within their own codes.

[faceoff]

If 3 clubs amalgamate.would they intend to have A, B, C teams?? If not where would all the rest of the players go.Could be a lot of lads out there playing no football at all then which imo would be a total disaster.

[Shuffleruns]

If 3 clubs amalgamate.would they intend to have A, B, C teams?? If not where would all the rest of the players go.Could be a lot of lads out there playing no football at all then which imo would be a total disaster.

Yeah you'd have to have a b c even d team if the numbers were there