RTE Panel

[geysir]

Just make sure you don't say he's faking the Souness role.

[OwlsFan]

My favourite topic but I couldn't resist thanking Noel King for describing it exactly like it is, a "comedy show".

Interesting that both he and Dunphy thought "football people" were on their side. Dunphy repeatedly uses this term to create an inner circle of experts whose pronouncements carry far more weight than those of anyone else. Because he uses the term it is assumed that he belongs to this group, whereas he really doesn't. Dunphy is an OAP with no involvement as player or coach for the past 30 years and no managerial experience whatever. As a friend of mine said, it's like some old codger in a pub telling you that Lugs Branigan would know how to deal with those young thugs (presumably on the basis that in any conflict a clip on the ear is more useful than a Glock). Football has moved on and tactical systems are more varied and flexible. Players are fitter and with the advent of huge money their mindset is not the same.

Interesting article here on Dunphy's handling of the Irish managers. The trouble is he hasn't mentioned that Giles and O'Herlihy have backed his onslaughts all the way. http://balls.ie/football/eamon-dunphy-irish-managers/

[DannyInvincible]

Of which inner circle or community of "football people" is Dunphy supposed to be a member? Who exactly is he referring to when he talks about himself and these "real football people"? The Kilcoyne family? As you point out, he has no formal or significant association with any people genuinely involved in Irish football, be that domestic or international, these days.

[Charlie Darwin]

I assume by "real football people" who means scholars of Spanish football like himself.

[Emmet7]

The key attributes required of whoever replaces Bill will be:

(1) know nothing about the game and remind everyone of this every five minutes.
(2) never played the game at any level
(3) let the lads free reign to indulge every possible agenda and axe they have to grind.
(4) allow them play the man and not the ball
(5) be friends with the panel and most of all, never ever contradict them - always agree with them.
(6) finally always make sure Giles and Dunphy outnumber and shout down any dissenting viewpoint - since the majority opinion is always the right one, even when its the wrong one.

[geysir]

I don't see Dunphy as a bully, he's an out and out coward.
It's sad to see that Giles is just as bad as Dunphy, he's lost it completely and sunk into mediocrity alongside Dunphy. He hasn't got the "moral courage" to pull Dunphy back from his extreme censorious rants, nor concede even a little bit afterwards, to have a minimal degree of honesty, a self critical perspective of what went down in the studio.

[Stuttgart88]

Didn't the tactically clueless Noel King 's side beat Italy's u21s (European finalists) 4-2 in Italy prompting Arrigo Sacchi to go into Ireland's dressing room to applaud the performance?

[Charlie Darwin]

Didn't the tactically clueless Noel King 's side beat Italy's u21s (European finalists) 4-2 in Italy prompting Arrigo Sacchi to go into Ireland's dressing room to applaud the performance?
With 9 men too. The man is so tactically inept he played two fewer players than the other team and still lucked his way to victory. He's a show-pony, Bill. John was a better player than I ever was and he agrees with me.

[TonyD]

Interesting article here on Dunphy's handling of the Irish managers. The trouble is he hasn't mentioned that Giles and O'Herlihy have backed his onslaughts all the way. http://balls.ie/football/eamon-dunphy-irish-managers/

Long, long past time that Dunphy was called on his bull****, I'd like to see the papers do it more often. Not to say he hasn't had a point at some periods, but he is more often than not hysterical, irrational and downright nasty. It was particularly rich to hear him describe Noel King as nasty and a bully on Tuesday(not a fan of King either, and he did himself no favours with his reaction after the match.)

It's Dunphys hypocrisy that probably his most nauseating feature though. He lauded CHarlton and Trappatoni at first, I also remember him describing Brian Kerr as "Irelands first "proper" coach in 20 years after his first game in charge. His most breathtaking example though is his latest, in supporting the return of Mick McCarthy, who he has savaged on many, many occasions over the years, even way before Saipan.

Just found this too - written about Liam Brady, in the aftermath of a game against Holland in the early 80's I believe

“He is often looked on as a great player. He is nothing of the kind. His performance on Wednesday was a disgrace, a monument to conceit adorned with vanity and self-indulgence, rendered all the more objectional by the swagger of his gait.”

Just remember that the next time he says "John and Liam were great players."

[geysir]

With 9 men too. The man is so tactically inept he played two fewer players than the other team and still lucked his way to victory. He's a show-pony, Bill. John was a better player than I ever was and he agrees with me.
"King just does not respect our fantastic football culture."

[BonnieShels]

Just make sure you don't say he's faking the Souness role.

Or the holdimg Souness role...

MATRON!

[geysir]

Or the holdimg Souness role...

MATRON!
Matron?
where you are, where time is an optional concept, it's probably Nurse Ratched you should be calling for.

[jbyrne]

"King just does not respect our fantastic football culture."

id love to know what constitutes this "fantastic football culture" that dunphy continually brings up seeing as he has not rated any of our managers since i can remember (mid 80s!)

[geysir]

id love to know what constitutes this "fantastic football culture" that dunphy continually brings up seeing as he has not rated any of our managers since i can remember (mid 80s!)
Playing Poland is a big part of our football culture.

[rebelmusic]

I was thinking last night and someone please correct my memory. But didnt the panel used to do actual analysis, with their white markings on the screen explaining what they believe was the right thing to do etc? Now it's just grumbling the same rhetoric every single match. It's actually just boring to be honest

[Stuttgart88]

The FAI should appoint Dunphy as caretaker for the 2 November friendlies. Sadlier as assistant. He could donate his fee to charity. The home game will be a sell out just for curiosity purposes. RTE should get Jack, Stan, Mick, Kerr and King on the panel. And Owls Fan.

[Stuttgart88]

Giles still deserves iconic status for his remark years ago about Marco Simoni(?). It was before anything other than black boots was popular. Simoni was playing for Milan in Europe, wearing their all white away kit and he also wore white boots. "He looks like he's making his holy communion George".

[back of the net]

The FAI should appoint Dunphy as caretaker for the 2 November friendlies. Sadlier as assistant. He could donate his fee to charity. The home game will be a sell out just for curiosity purposes. RTE should get Jack, Stan, Mick, Kerr and King on the panel. And Owls Fan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5HOt0ZOcYk

[EAFC_rdfl]

The FAI should appoint Dunphy as caretaker for the 2 November friendlies. Sadlier as assistant. He could donate his fee to charity. The home game will be a sell out just for curiosity purposes. RTE should get Jack, Stan, Mick, Kerr and King on the panel. And Owls Fan.

I'm assuming The Trap is hosting? He would be as coherent as laughing Bill

[ArdeeBhoy]

Eamo is 'off' again.
http://www.irishpost.co.uk/news/eamon-dunphy-irish-media-partly-to-blame-for-rotten-society

[OwlsFan]

All in the name of promoting his book. Interesting that he says:

"If you get caught doing something wrong in England you get punished..." and beside it is a piece entitled "Murdering Bloody Sunday soldiers should be jailed".

[Emmet7]

Well you can get away with anything over here such as being a spoofer about football and still be employed by RTE! Swings and roundabouts.

[DannyInvincible]

Dunphy's latest gem of insight: http://thescore.thejournal.ie/roy-keane-ireland-job-eamon-dunphy-1158143-Nov2013/


Dunphy said, “From what I understand [O'Neill] is committed now. He was holding out for Newcastle United or a bigger job.” He added, “I hope it is settled. I hope he is committed to the job and I hope he is.”

[Eminence Grise]

I think it's Dunphy who should be committed.

[DannyInvincible]

Came upon this blast from the past thanks to Balls.ie (http://balls.ie/football/martin-oneill-eamon-dunphy-1988/); Dunphy and Martin co-analysing our 0-0 World Cup qualification draw with NI in Windsor Park back in 1988 for BBC NI (from around 44 minutes):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rydhDAQxxlc

[DannyInvincible]

The post-match analysis begins around the 47-minute mark in this one:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpJNeCl4W7M#t=2857

[Junior]

"Cascarino, 6 foot 4 and a nippy wee fella"

Well there is something I never thought I would hear.......

[DannyInvincible]

Last night was "a joy to watch" and "a night full of positives" according to both Giles and Sadlier: http://www.rte.ie/sport/player/813/487026/

No place for Dunphy in the studio late on a Friday night.

[Yard of Pace]

"Cascarino, 6 foot 4 and a nippy wee fella"

Well there is something I never thought I would hear.......

Dunphy: "I think he's going to be there for a long time...."

And who says the man talks rubbish? ;)

[Charlie Darwin]

Last night was "a joy to watch" and "a night full of positives" according to both Giles and Sadlier: http://www.rte.ie/sport/player/813/487026/

No place for Dunphy in the studio late on a Friday night.
So 3-0 win in a friendly = full of positives
3-0 win in a competitive game = he's out of his depth

[Stuttgart88]

But it was 3-1 Charlie, BIG difference...:)

[DannyInvincible]

Allegedly, their goal doesn't count as Coleman was fouled.

[Charlie Darwin]

I had happily airbrushed that goal out of history. Clearly King is a spoofer if he has to resort to clandestine mind control techniques.

[DeLorean]

"He's a nothing player Bill" (http://thescore.thejournal.ie/eamon-dunphy-cristiano-ronaldo-pele-ballon-dor-win-1264142-Jan2014/?utm_source=facebook_short)

[The Fly]

I don't think there's anything wrong with changing your opinion. It's just that Dunphy's criticism of Ronaldo back in the day was over the top. No surprises there then!

[geysir]

He changes his opinion but still managed to miss the barn door with a banjo.

he “cut out the simulation in his game”
;)
Tell that one to Juve's Chellini? On what planet does Dunphy reside?

[DeLorean]

I don't think there's anything wrong with changing your opinion. It's just that Dunphy's criticism of Ronaldo back in the day was over the top. No surprises there then!

For sure, creating a character reformation to justify the opinion change is a little bit pathetic tough.

[OwlsFan]

Giles as usual gets away with it. Don't forget he was singing off the exact same hymnn sheet as Dunphy and now has also had a St. Paul on the Road to Damascus moment.

[DeLorean]

Andy Gray and the unique art of sports punditry (http://www.thescore.ie/opinion-andy-gray-art-sports-punditry-1319876-Feb2014/)

An okay read even if I found myself disagreeing with a lot of it. Andy Gray used grate on me long before any sexism scandals.

[Stuttgart88]

I listened to his commentray during arsenal v Liverpool on Sunday and it made me realise how glad I was he was gone. He's a complete know-it-all.

[BonnieShels]

I listened to his commentray during arsenal v Liverpool on Sunday and it made me realise how glad I was he was gone. He's a complete know-it-all.

I was exactly the same. He is an atrocious commentator. Some of the guff he came out with was unreal. And his hard-on for Gerrard is still ever present. At least there's my other reason for getting rid of BT Sport sorted.

[Charlie Darwin]

I was exactly the same. He is an atrocious commentator. Some of the guff he came out with was unreal. And his hard-on for Gerrard is still ever present. At least there's my other reason for getting rid of BT Sport sorted.
Unfortunately, given what a sack of **** he is and a poor commentator, he is nonetheless the iconic commentator the EPL and this represents a big coup for BT. It will make their coverage far more legitimate in the eyes of a lot of people and unfortunately again, compared to what Ron Atkinson did, the sort of abusive sexism he trades in is far more acceptable than racism. In fact, I know first hand that there are people who tacitly approve of his conduct.

[BonnieShels]

It's a such a shame we aren't the majority but then again CD, if we were...

[Charlie Darwin]

It's a such a shame we aren't the majority but then again CD, if we were...
I for one would bar homophobes from heterosexual marriage. Quite frankly I think unions between homophobes and other humans unnatural :(

[OwlsFan]

I didn't see it myself but is it true that Giles seriously suggested that for the last man back foul, the culprit should stay on the pitch if the penalty was scored and he should be dismissed if the penalty is missed (he didn't say what would happen if the penalty is missed but scored by another player from a rebound).? I understand that Dunphy lauded the great man and condemned the suits in UEFA for not thinking of this. Talk about opening a can of worms. Messi commits the foul after 5 minutes, I'd deliberately miss the penalty. Paul McShane (all due respect etc) commits the foul, I'd do my best to score etc etc

The correct solution I believe: last man back outside the box, send off. Inside stay on as the penalty is sufficient punishment. I wonder did the "suits" or Giles think of that?

[shakermaker1982]

Giles wasn't the only one to think along those lines OF.

Jamie Carragher was also suggesting some leniency on Sky last week until Ballack spoke sensibly and pointed out that the players know the rules & should be a tad more careful in the box.

[geysir]

Giles wasn't the only one to think along those lines OF.

Jamie Carragher was also suggesting some leniency on Sky last week until Ballack spoke sensibly and pointed out that the players know the rules & should be a tad more careful in the box.
I guess I see where they are coming from.
Ballack being well skilled in the art of diving, somersaults, a magnetic attracted to hit a defender's leg and be felled, would indeed be in favour of the red card and penalty.
Carragher being the defender, has the perspective that the red card and penalty is a double whammy overkill.

[osarusan]

We'd see keepers not trying to save penalties in some cases if that was the rule, or takers deliberately missing them.

[shakermaker1982]

Defenders should get better at defending and not rely on last ditch tackles to save the day!

Don't think Ballack was in the league of Suarez, Young and Gerrard when it comes to falling over. I'm struggling to think of him having a 'diving' incident. I'm sure there will be one out there but he was a fairly honest player.

[DannyInvincible]

Indeed, the rules are the rules and those playing the game should fully comprehend them, but rules can always be amended (and have been on plenty of occasions throughout the history of the game) if it is felt the game is being hampered by their implementation. I still feel a double-whammy of red card and penalty is a disproportionate punishment to the offending team.