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Aaron
13/12/2011, 12:34 PM
[/URL]Next years competition launches on January 25th at the Aviva Stadium where the preliminary draw will be made.
Cliftonville, Portadown, Glentoran and Lisburn Distillery are the unseeded IL teams whilst Derry City, Bohemians, St Pat's Ath and Bray Wanderers are the unseeded LOI teams
As per last year, 4 unseeded teams from both leagues will be drawn against each other, whilst Shamrock Rvs and Sligo Rvs from the LOI and Linfield and Crusaders from the IL will enter as seeded teams in the next round
Confirmed today in the Derry Journal
[URL]http://www.derryjournal.com/sport/football/kenny_linked_with_rovers_as_o_neill_talks_break_do wn_1_3332907 (http://www.derryjournal.com/sport/football/kenny_linked_with_rovers_as_o_neill_talks_break_do wn_1_3332907)
PartySaint
13/12/2011, 1:06 PM
Delighted by this, I'm a big fan of the setanta cup
Guinney
13/12/2011, 4:14 PM
Foster the clown not making sure we qualified. As a Dundalk fan our Setanta Cup run was the best part of 2011, especially the first game away to Linfield.
.... Doesn't say much about 2011 for Dundalk fans if the first match of the season was the best part :(
Rasputin
13/12/2011, 5:33 PM
State of the Setanta Cup, great idea but the lack of any real competition north of the border makes it all a bit of a farce.
sligoman
13/12/2011, 6:07 PM
Raging. Was hoping this would be done away with.
askmehoop
13/12/2011, 6:21 PM
its only good for the prize money, cant see the point of it otherwise
pineapple stu
13/12/2011, 6:38 PM
Beats playing friendlies.
askmehoop
13/12/2011, 6:48 PM
Beats playing friendlies.
depends who the friendlies are against
Dates for Setanta Cup 2012 as follows:
Round 1
1st Leg Monday 13th February
2nd Leg Monday 20th February
Quarter Finals
1st Leg Monday 5th March
2nd Leg Tuesday 20th March
Semi Finals
1st Leg Monday 16th April
2nd Leg Monday 23rd April
Final
Saturday 12th May
Raging. Was hoping this would be done away with.
Why? if you're not bothered about it, don't go to the games. Likewise with teams/managers. If not interested, put out your reserve team
Some people like it, so whats the harm to you?
gufc2000
14/12/2011, 10:41 AM
Raging. Was hoping this would be done away with.
Don't bother playing in it so, plenty of teams who'd only be damn glad to play in it.
The contempt shown towards the Setanta Cup is unreal, considering the chances of prize money & silverware
poster
14/12/2011, 10:52 AM
Raging. Was hoping this would be done away with.
Did you not enjoy the craic?
sligoman
14/12/2011, 9:28 PM
Why? if you're not bothered about it, don't go to the games.I go to most games, unless there's a reason I can't, not liking a competition is not a reason I can't go. So I'll still go if I'm around, just would prefer if there was none so I wouldn't have to. Simple.
Rasputin
14/12/2011, 9:31 PM
I go to most games, unless there's a reason I can't, not liking a competition is not a reason I can't go. So I'll still go if I'm around, just would prefer if there was none so I wouldn't have to. Simple.
Your an absolute weirdo.
mypost
19/12/2011, 5:58 PM
Why? if you're not bothered about it, don't go to the games. Likewise with teams/managers. If not interested, put out your reserve team
Some people like it, so whats the harm to you?
Even Setanta don't show half the games anymore. The winner has to play at least 5, possibly 7 extra games against either rubbish British opposition, or another 2 games a year against a LOI side. The prize money is much less than it used to be. It's nice to win it but from a fans perspective, it's too expensive, too much extra midweek travel, and basically just a waste of time. Imo of course.
That's fine. No one is forcing you to go to the games
shellyriver
19/12/2011, 6:10 PM
This competition is tragic at the moment. If sides up the North were better, fair enough, but it just ends up same LOI teams playing each other again.
Even when we won it last v Monaghan, I was sorely tempted not even to bother, because there was a key league game with Shams, if I recall, on a Tuesday.
Why not freshen up format -- eg a First Division team thrown into the mix?
Maybe a more attractive proposition is to get into a Cup situation with some of the Scottish clubs. This would also give LOI a real benchmark as to progress?
mypost
19/12/2011, 6:26 PM
This competition is tragic at the moment. If sides up the North were better, fair enough, but it just ends up same LOI teams playing each other again.
Even when we won it last v Monaghan, I was sorely tempted not even to bother
When were Monaghan in the Setanta Cup?
But the point you make is fair enough. If it's a choice of having to pay 15 quid for the big league game next weekend, or 15 quid to watch Crusaders at home when you're 5-0 up from the away leg, the choice is fairly obvious.
I was at one game of it last year. It was more than enough. I was hoping last year Setanta would see sense and put it out of it's misery. But no, they're back for another go.
sullanefc
19/12/2011, 6:38 PM
Here's an idea. Why not have 2 groups of 4. 4 LOI teams in group A (e.g. Shamrock, Sligo Rovers, Derry City & Bohemians) and 4 IL teams in group B (e.g. Linfield, Crusaders, Cliftonville, Portadown). Teams don't play other teams in the same group, just all the teams in the other group (once only), this means that teams from the same league aren't playing each other too often as they are already sick of each other domestically. So Shamrock's fixtures might be: Linfield (A), Crusaders (H), Cliftonville (A) and Portadown (H). Top 2 in each group play each other with the top team getting home advantage. This then guarantees a LOI V IL final.
The downside would be that all the LOI teams could end up on 12 points and all IL teams on 0 points, but that would hardly happen.
PartySaint
20/12/2011, 1:40 PM
How do some people not get this? IF you don't like the Setanta Cup don't go to games, It's simple. Why moaning about it and hoping it will be scratched??
marinobohs
20/12/2011, 3:29 PM
This competition is tragic at the moment. If sides up the North were better, fair enough, but it just ends up same LOI teams playing each other again.
Even when we won it last v Monaghan, I was sorely tempted not even to bother, because there was a key league game with Shams, if I recall, on a Tuesday.
Why not freshen up format -- eg a First Division team thrown into the mix?
Maybe a more attractive proposition is to get into a Cup situation with some of the Scottish clubs. This would also give LOI a real benchmark as to progress?
...so you think adding a first Division team will improve the standard ?:o Apart from Celtic/Rangers Scottish teams would notbe any great draw fan wise (although would improve the standard) think the idea of Scottish involvement was mooted before but withered on the vine. Judging by SFA/FAI spat it may be related to cost :rolleyes:
Chance for those that want to visit new venues (mainly Irish League grounds) and for those not interested to stay away. Took Bohs a few years to get into it and personally like it.
born2bwild
20/12/2011, 3:30 PM
Even Setanta don't show half the games anymore. The winner has to play at least 5, possibly 7 extra games against either rubbish British opposition, or another 2 games a year against a LOI side. The prize money is much less than it used to be. It's nice to win it but from a fans perspective, it's too expensive, too much extra midweek travel, and basically just a waste of time. Imo of course.
Wouldn't have thought the travel would be an obstacle for you.
shellyriver
21/12/2011, 9:01 AM
...so you think adding a first Division team will improve the standard ?:o
No. I was thinking that those first division with a fan base might be interested in attending a game against Premiership. Actually, a wildcard for regional winners of FAI Junior Clubs, might produce a David/Goliath etc.
Apart from Celtic/Rangers Scottish teams would notbe any great draw fan wise (although would improve the standard) think the idea of Scottish involvement was mooted before but withered on the vine. Judging by SFA/FAI spat it may be related to cost :rolleyes:
Chance for those that want to visit new venues (mainly Irish League grounds)...
Aside to the Old Firm, I do think a game against Hibs, Hearts and maybe even St Johnstone would generate interest.
Just a suggestion, but to take this seriously, why not forego a League qualifying place and give a Europa place to winner which would mean teams would take it seriously?
nigel-harps1954
21/12/2011, 10:33 AM
Just a suggestion, but to take this seriously, why not forego a League qualifying place and give a Europa place to winner which would mean teams would take it seriously?
Stab in the dark here, but I'm assuming it's because they can't.
pineapple stu
21/12/2011, 10:42 AM
Aside to the Old Firm, I do think a game against Hibs, Hearts and maybe even St Johnstone would generate interest.
Not among Hibs, Hearts or even St Johnstone, it wouldn't.
marinobohs
21/12/2011, 10:56 AM
Not among Hibs, Hearts or even St Johnstone, it wouldn't.
.....recent visits to LOI grounds by such teams has hardly seen the "Sold out" signs in use.
Nah Nah Nah Nah
27/12/2011, 6:55 PM
Prize money is nothing to be sneezed at
http://www.fai.ie/domestic-a-grassroots/competitions/setanta-cup/102294-setanta-sports-cup-committee-agrees-2012-draw-date.html
SETANTA SPORTS CUP COMMITTEE AGREES DRAW DATE FOR 2012
The Setanta Sports Cup committee has confirmed that it will hold the first round draw for the Setanta Sports Cup at Aviva Stadium on January 25 at 2.30pm.
The competition has been running since 2005 and round one in 2012 will kick off on February 13. Twelve clubs, six from the Airtricity League and six from the Carling Premiership will take part. The first round draw will involve the eight unseeded clubs which will be drawn into four home and away pairings that will see Carling Premiership sides take on Airtricity League sides on February 13 and February 20.
The unseeded clubs in this year's competition are:
Cliftonville, Derry City, Glentoran, St Patrick's Athletic, Lisburn Distillery, Bohemian FC, Portadown and Bray Wanderers
The four winners to emerge from the first round will join the four seeded clubs, last year's winners, Shamrock Rovers as well as Linfield, Sligo Rovers and Crusaders in the quarter final draw.
The prize fund will remain the same as last year with €50,000 for the winners, €30,000 for the runners up, €15,000 for each of the defeated semi-finalists, €10,000 for each of the defeated quarter finalists and €7,500 for clubs defeated in round one. A workshop for all participating clubs will take place in the Canal Court in Newry on February 1, 2012. Additional performance bonuses will be paid for winning (€2,000) or drawing (€1,000) a match during the competition with the exception of the final.
Milo Corcoran, Chairman of the Setanta Sports Cup Organising Committee said,
"I thank Setanta Sports for their ongoing commitment to the competition and everyone from the FAI and IFA who gives it support. With standards continuing to increase on both sides of the border, the 2012 Setanta Sports Cup is sure to be a big draw with numerous exciting potential ties."
Charlie Darwin
27/12/2011, 7:00 PM
Surely it's getting to the stage where some clubs might be better off sacrificing early season league form to go all-out for this?
BonnieShels
27/12/2011, 7:26 PM
They're some serious prizes for an Irish competition.
Ezeikial
27/12/2011, 10:10 PM
Surely it's getting to the stage where some clubs might be better off sacrificing early season league form to go all-out for this?
Dundalk took a serious approach last season - the run to the final was a good return, but 7th in the league left a feeling of underachievement
They're some serious prizes for am Irish competition.
It shows how times have changed that some regard it as serious money, when you compare the cash available to a few years back
BonnieShels
28/12/2011, 4:26 PM
True Ezeikial but it is what it is. Look at the derisory cash for the League Cup. This is well worth winning.
True Ezeikial but it is what it is. Look at the derisory cash for the League Cup. This is well worth winning.
Absolutley. People who say "crap cup or not worth it" are dellusional. Money is money and every club needs it.
The Setanta was a fantastic experience. I will never forget Windsor Park.
BonnieShels
29/12/2011, 1:58 AM
No one ever does. They never let you.
Rover'n'out
29/12/2011, 12:29 PM
This competition is tragic at the moment. If sides up the North were better, fair enough, but it just ends up same LOI teams playing each other again.
Even when we won it last v Monaghan, I was sorely tempted not even to bother, because there was a key league game with Shams, if I recall, on a Tuesday.
Why not freshen up format -- eg a First Division team thrown into the mix?
Maybe a more attractive proposition is to get into a Cup situation with some of the Scottish clubs. This would also give LOI a real benchmark as to progress?
Jesus H get your facts straight. We never won it. We won the League (EA Sports) Cup in 2010 beating Monaghan in the final. I think some fans showing a condescending attitude towards the competition is unfair. Decent prize money and an 'all Ireland' trophy. I realise that the standard shown by IL sides has been disappointing, but talk of having Scottich sides come in - get a grip.
El-Pietro
29/12/2011, 1:12 PM
We always took it seriously and were gutted to lose in the final in 2006, the semi in 2007 and winning it in 2008 was a fantastic night for our club - I was gutted we never got the opportunity to play Cliftonville in Belfast
adamd164
29/12/2011, 2:27 PM
For me the annoying thing was entering it 5 times in a row and never being in the same group as Linfield. Got a trip up there alright but never played them at home.
Dundalk defintely embraced it last season, without doubt it was the highlight of our season. The trip to Windsor, 15 coach loads of fans heading up and playing them off the park was just superb. Loved the home games also v Linfield and Glentoran, drew 1-1 with each, but great games. I suppose for us the travel wasn't that big of a deal, same distance to Dublin really (for the 'neutral' venue final in Tallaght, but still another enjoyable day out)
But........and there is always one, word of warning for any club banking on the money to paid up anytime soon. We still hadn't got a cent by Sept this year (owed 30k min) and it took a live league game v Rovers at home (on Setanta Sports TV) for Setanta PLC to finally cough up, or at least agree to cough up.
For 2012, I would hope they change the match nights around a little, Mon nights were poor overall, fine for us at home to Linfield/Glens, always going to be a big crowd, but overall I would say a Wed night would be more suitable.
PartySaint
29/12/2011, 8:03 PM
For 2012, I would hope they change the match nights around a little, Mon nights were poor overall, fine for us at home to Linfield/Glens, always going to be a big crowd, but overall I would say a Wed night would be more suitable.
I think the Champions League starts up again around that time of year so Wednesday nights wouldn't be great
Ezeikial
29/12/2011, 9:45 PM
I think the Champions League starts up again around that time of year so Wednesday nights wouldn't be great
Apart from that there would be an almighty negative reaction to clubs playing Wednesday in the Setanta and Friday in the League. Unless the brave decision was made to upgrade the Setanta competition in some way, Monday and Tuesday nights are the only options for fitting matches around the league fixtures north and south.
gufc2000
30/12/2011, 12:16 AM
The knockout format has made it more interesting, I think if they reduced it to one leg, and have a toss for home venue would be best.
marinobohs
30/12/2011, 9:56 AM
For me the annoying thing was entering it 5 times in a row and never being in the same group as Linfield. Got a trip up there alright but never played them at home.
Trips away to Glentoran and Linfield were very enjoyable nights (day in Glentoran case, thank God - not a place to get lost in at night:tremble:).
Can see no logic for people wanting it scrapped, as said before - dont like it dont go. simple as.
Trainee
24/01/2012, 2:06 PM
Story in today's Mail that Setanta are to focus on increasing their GAA following and they wont be showing any of the 2012 setanta cup games live.
Surely if this is the case it will be the last year of Setanta cup.
ger121
24/01/2012, 3:16 PM
They didn't show that many games live last year, if my memory serves me right. Seems odd the wouldn't show at least the final.
Bray v Glentoran
Bohs v Portadown
Lisburn v Derry
Cliftonville v Pats
The battle of the dogtracks. Tasty.
Sonny
25/01/2012, 11:48 PM
The battle of the dogtracks. Tasty.
Didn't know we had any Korean members!
redrevival
26/01/2012, 10:56 AM
Glentoran's first round, first leg Setanta Sports Cup tie away to Bray Wanderers has now been brought forward to Saturday 11th February with a 3pm kick off.
The home leg on 20th February will kick off at 7.45pm subject to TV coverage
legendz
28/01/2012, 3:55 PM
It'll be great to see a few more of these games shown live. After a bit of trial and error they seem to have come up with a structure that suits the competition. Good luck to all LoI clubs involved.
bit of a debate over on the Bohs board about whether there is TV money for the games Setanta shows live. I thought that every team got appearance money and that TV appearnaces were factored into these funds but another poster is pretty adamant that there is 2k for the home team and 500 for the away. Can anyone verify either side of this one? cheers,,,
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