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underpressure
05/10/2011, 8:36 PM
Dont most clubs do it if they have players that need game time, or even if their senior team aren't playin? they send a few of them down with the junior team, help them get a few points like!!
AvondaleNutter
05/10/2011, 9:20 PM
I'd imagine Avondale juniors will be sprinkled with 1 or 2 senior players weekly for the season.cotter won't want his squad players not getting any sort of a game.
Not too sure really if that will happen. Young team there so they'll want to do their own thing but time will tell. Average age is about 22 so don't know if a senior would even bother togging out.
villaman10
06/10/2011, 9:09 AM
looking through the squad for oscar traynor, lot of new names on it! in fairness to the new management unlike previous years they have actually been seen at games checking players out, time will tell i suppose
AvondaleNutter
06/10/2011, 11:00 AM
Where did you see this list villaman10
villaman10
06/10/2011, 11:37 AM
Where did you see this list villaman10
last night's echo!
greengrass
06/10/2011, 12:25 PM
anyone able to write it out?
didnt get a chance to pick it up yday
villaman10
06/10/2011, 1:13 PM
anyone able to write it out?
didnt get a chance to pick it up yday
douglas hall; gavin hinchy, cillian murphy, james McCarthy,
ringmahon; alan long, pa o'brein, willie aherne,
glasheen; colin harte,
coll cors; philip brady,
rockmount; jason McGrath, noel dorney,
blarney; sean taggert,
everton utd; trevor dunlea, aidan murray dave o'keefe, ( first division)
mayfied; dean winters, kriastian dennehy, alan monaher
strange that 3 players from everton 2nd junior team on the list, and none from there team in the premier
We played both Everton sides in the past few weeks and very surprised some of their 1st Division players got the call ahead of their Premier players!
ringmahon4ever
06/10/2011, 3:18 PM
some of everton b team would have been ex casement senior and prob joined them as jnr prem team had already panel sorted maybe? ken o regan from ringmahon also added
Their junior side definitely had a few lads that could play ball so were probably ex senior players alright.
We've an ex senior player too that scored 4 goals against them over 2 games and got no call up!!! City bias?? ha
villaman10
07/10/2011, 10:28 AM
i'd guess atfermoy eric? a good honest club
Yeah Fermoy. We played their Prem side in the League Cup and I thought they'd some lovely ball players, esp a young lad they had playing on the wing. He tore us apart. Played their 1st Division side in the league then.
Ah I was only messing with the comment about our lad not getting a call up. Don't think any Fermoy player has got a call up for as long as I remember anyway.
Don't think CIT had many, if any, seniors playing last night against us. They still gave us a decent game though but thankfully they missed some good chances in te first half and we managed to come home with a 2-0 win.
underpressure
08/10/2011, 5:52 PM
midleton 3 cobh wanderers 0, very bad referee to say the least, 1st goal was from a free kick, which was a worse decision than jack rodwell's red card, second goal he was about 10 yards offside, no complaints with 3rd goal, midleton deserved the win but ref didn't help, some very strange decisions by him on both sides but a bit biased to the home side!!
villaman10
10/10/2011, 5:43 PM
midleton 3 cobh wanderers 0, very bad referee to say the least, 1st goal was from a free kick, which was a worse decision than jack rodwell's red card, second goal he was about 10 yards offside, no complaints with 3rd goal, midleton deserved the win but ref didn't help, some very strange decisions by him on both sides but a bit biased to the home side!!
by any chance are you a cobh man?? ha ha
underpressure
10/10/2011, 7:22 PM
by any chance are you a cobh man?? ha ha
I am a cobh man, i did say in my post that they deserved to win the game, have no complaints there, was just saying that the ref wasn't the best at all, ask anyone from midleton about the first two goals and they will tell you the same!!
villaman10
11/10/2011, 7:28 PM
I am a cobh man, i did say in my post that they deserved to win the game, have no complaints there, was just saying that the ref wasn't the best at all, ask anyone from midleton about the first two goals and they will tell you the same!!
partly guessed you were! midlton seem to be getting some good results since their relagation, are they still trying to play football or have they gone the route 1 (bandon style of football) direction?
underpressure
11/10/2011, 8:00 PM
yea they play ball, they like 2 play it along the back a lot, handy side, think that they will comfortably win the league, unless something strange happens!
They should get promoted handy enough alright but to win the league they'll have to beat the winners of the other section in what effectively would be a cup final. Anything could happen in a one of game at the end of the season.
greengrass
12/10/2011, 5:07 PM
have midleton added any new players??
last year they were'nt up to much so to be cleaning up in the first division must say a lot about the quality difference between the leagues
villaman10
13/10/2011, 11:53 AM
ya, the league's must be miles apart! bit early to judge who will win it yet though!
underpressure
14/10/2011, 8:09 AM
from the midleton team that we played last year, they have bout 5 or 6 new players in starting xi, very good players at that!!
underpressure
16/10/2011, 1:04 PM
although having said that about the midleton team, have heard that they are playin 4 or 5 seniors a game, dont think thats fair at all.....on on brighter note cobh beat ringmahon 6-2 today, good performance from us, going up 1 nil after bout 7 seconds helped, 3-1 at half time, controlled most of game and deserved winners!!
Fantasista
16/10/2011, 2:45 PM
Was at the midleton game To be fair ye were well outplayed I thought also they had no senior players playing that day I dont think! having said that 3 or 4 players in that side would probably
be close to starting in the senior team but are after deciding to play junior
underpressure
16/10/2011, 3:14 PM
not gona deny that we were outplayed or anything, just going on what i heard, one was from a midleton senior player who was able to name out the senior players that played and the other was from a ref who had reffed a midleton game that the ot manager went to watch, he asked for 5 players to go up and was told that they couldn't go because they were signed on senior forms, have no problem with teams playing a couple of seniors, all teams do it, but when there are 4 or 5, its a bit much, st. marys were the same when we played them, came down with 5 senior players, bit much!!
We went out of the FAI Junior Cup today, lost 4-2 at home to Knockavilla. Before we ever got into the game we were 2 down. Dominated the rest of the game but couldn't convert our chances and the ref did us no favours either!
Munster Junior Cup next week away to Cobh
villaman10
16/10/2011, 8:43 PM
just cause they are winning doesn't mean their packing the team with senior players! maybe the new management has to be credited with some of the credit!! granted they might have players with senior experience, but dont rockmount have beecinor this year playing junior, and douglas a few years ago hand senior experience when they started their period of dominance?? what should players do so when they feel they can no longer play at the top level?? become like us??, ''hurlers on the ditch''!!
AvondaleNutter
17/10/2011, 9:04 AM
F.A.I.-UMBRO JUNIOR CUP 3RD
1 Mayfield Utd. v Ringmahon Rangers .
2 Kinsale F.C. v Wilton United
3 Glasheen F.C. v Kanturk FC
4 Knockavilla Clt. v Glenvale FC
5 Glen Celtic v Leeds FC.
6 Pearse Celtic v College Cors.
7 Blackstone Rvs. v Tramore Ath.
8 Coachford FC v Buttevant
9 Midleton FC. v Leeside FC.
10 Fairview FC. v Bunratty Utd (wc)
11 Marlboro v Springfield
12 Innishvilla FC. V Dunbar Clt.
13 Skibbereen v Carrigtwohill Utd
14 Kilumney Utd. v Macroom AFC.
Silly Billy G
17/10/2011, 1:18 PM
F.A.I.-UMBRO JUNIOR CUP 3RD
1 Mayfield Utd. v Ringmahon Rangers .
2 Kinsale F.C. v Wilton United
3 Glasheen F.C. v Kanturk FC
4 Knockavilla Clt. v Glenvale FC
5 Glen Celtic v Leeds FC.
6 Pearse Celtic v College Cors.
7 Blackstone Rvs. v Tramore Ath.
8 Coachford FC v Buttevant
9 Midleton FC. v Leeside FC.
10 Fairview FC. v Bunratty Utd (wc)
11 Marlboro v Springfield
12 Innishvilla FC. V Dunbar Clt.
13 Skibbereen v Carrigtwohill Utd
14 Kilumney Utd. v Macroom AFC.
When was the last time any Cork junior side did well in this competition ? I remember a few years back D Hall got the the quarters. Is it a waste of time for a clubs second team entering this competition ? Or is it worth it to give lads an away trip?
Personally i think it is a waste of time for the Msl junior teams - it might be worthwhile for Aul clubs with their first team ala Kinsale, Wilton etc in it as they may have some crack off it but again it is hard to see them winning this competition.
Have a lot of clubs pulled their interest in this at MSL JUNIOR level ?
underpressure
17/10/2011, 5:12 PM
just cause they are winning doesn't mean their packing the team with senior players! maybe the new management has to be credited with some of the credit!! granted they might have players with senior experience, but dont rockmount have beecinor this year playing junior, and douglas a few years ago hand senior experience when they started their period of dominance?? what should players do so when they feel they can no longer play at the top level?? become like us??, ''hurlers on the ditch''!!
i'm just saying what i have been told, i dont know if they are senior players or not, i havent watched midleton seniors play this season. If they are only playin juniors then fair enough, but that doesnt explain the whole o.t thing with the 5 players, if they are ex senior players now playing junior then thats fair enough to, but why sign senior forms and then play junior?
greengrass
17/10/2011, 9:36 PM
When was the last time any Cork junior side did well in this competition ? I remember a few years back D Hall got the the quarters. Is it a waste of time for a clubs second team entering this competition ? Or is it worth it to give lads an away trip?
Personally i think it is a waste of time for the Msl junior teams - it might be worthwhile for Aul clubs with their first team ala Kinsale, Wilton etc in it as they may have some crack off it but again it is hard to see them winning this competition.
Have a lot of clubs pulled their interest in this at MSL JUNIOR level ?
Probably makes a bit of sense as chance of winning the competition outright are minimal at best.
that said maybe teams would be happy with the away trip ,,each to there own i suppose.
i know that blarney didnt enter into the FAI or MJC this season,,not sure if they are the only one's??
Horse24
23/10/2011, 1:02 PM
The lads on the Senior Thread spoke about "bringing players through" and stuff like that. To be honest, to an outside man, it seems neither the league nor the clubs give much of a care about their junior sides and thats wrong. Why is a guy going to try for a club that clearly doesnt care about him? I always believe in entering the MJC & FAI - 2 extra games for the players - is it not about playing games?
underpressure
23/10/2011, 3:29 PM
cobh 0-1 fermoy in mjc...a game that cobh should have won, had best chances and more possesion, just couldnt put ball in net! at least 1 team in blue won fairly today, and it wasn't fermoy!!
Ha ha best chances?? One team in blue won fairly?? Care to expand on that one......
underpressure
25/10/2011, 7:34 AM
Ha ha best chances?? One team in blue won fairly?? Care to expand on that one......
Yea the best chances, i think ye had 2 shots on target in the whole game....the team in blue that won fairly on sunday was man city......and to expand on that, i was under the impression that the munster JUNIOR cup was for junior players...correct me if i'm wrong on that...but sure as was said by some1 else in a post, fermoy are a good honest club.
Cobh had more possession, no denying that, but kicking the ball in the general direction of our goal hardly counts as ye creating chances!!!
So I'm guessing the 2 players from Cobh's senior team that played on Sunday are registered on the junior form?
underpressure
25/10/2011, 4:19 PM
Cobh had more possession, no denying that, but kicking the ball in the general direction of our goal hardly counts as ye creating chances!!!
So I'm guessing the 2 players from Cobh's senior team that played on Sunday are registered on the junior form?
We had 1 player alone who had about 4 r 5 shots on goal! Ye couldnt muster that with yer full team!
What 2 players would that be? There was 1 player who played against fermoy senior team last week who is a junior player, that was the only player who has played senior this season, but he is in fact a junior player....its ok if ye didnt trust the fermoy junior team to come down and win without the help of senior players!!
Like I said, if kicking the ball in the general direction of our goal counts as a chance then ye were on top! Probably lucky for you we only had 2 shots on target because that's a 50% shots to goals ratio. Wonder how many more goals we would've gotten had we shot.......
Oh so you're saying it was unsporting rather than illegal?? That's fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion. I thought you were accusing us of breaking the rules which we clearly didn't do.
Pity we won't meet each other again this season to see whose junior side is the better!
underpressure
25/10/2011, 8:36 PM
Like I said, if kicking the ball in the general direction of our goal counts as a chance then ye were on top! Probably lucky for you we only had 2 shots on target because that's a 50% shots to goals ratio. Wonder how many more goals we would've gotten had we shot.......
Oh so you're saying it was unsporting rather than illegal?? That's fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion. I thought you were accusing us of breaking the rules which we clearly didn't do.
Pity we won't meet each other again this season to see whose junior side is the better!
i wouldnt say free kicks and shots from inside the box would classify as just kicking it in the general direction of your goals! How did ye clearly not break the rules when ye played senior players in the junior cup? as far as i know it is against the rules to do that, i am open to correction on that if someone can clarify the rules!ye only had 2 shots because ye couldnt get the ball off us! sure if we get ye in the cups at end of season then we will play ye, but then again, i dont think i have ever played a fermoy junior team that didnt play seniors so i dont know what yer junior team is like!
I think you were watching a different game than the one that was played Sunday morning.
As for the rules of the competition, make sure you know what they are before you go accusing people of breaking them! And you do realise there are 2 junior teams in Fermoy so just because the side you played on Sunday was different to the side you played in the league doesn't mean we 'cheated'
underpressure
26/10/2011, 7:17 AM
I think you were watching a different game than the one that was played Sunday morning.
As for the rules of the competition, make sure you know what they are before you go accusing people of breaking them! And you do realise there are 2 junior teams in Fermoy so just because the side you played on Sunday was different to the side you played in the league doesn't mean we 'cheated'
Like i said, i was open to correction on the rules, so what are the rules in regards to senior players playing in junior cup? since you know them so well!! As far as i know, if a player plays in senior cup, then he is ineligible for junior cup! yes i do know that there are 2 fermoy junior teams, have played the other junior team twice, of course with senior players in them teams also!
AvondaleNutter
26/10/2011, 5:37 PM
Player who has played 5 or more senior games or has played in the Munster senior cup can't play. If he's already played for the other junior team then I'm not sure can he play either.
villaman10
26/10/2011, 6:20 PM
underpressure your'e starting to sound like a grumpy old man!! should really have all your'e facts before you start mouthing off about clubs cheating!! making a statement bout fermoy cheating, then 2 mins later asking eric for the rules of the game?? just seems a bit petty to me! would say every club has been helped by their senior players at some point and legally i might add, just as junior players have had to step up when the senior team are missing a few due to weddings and stags and other stuff! will this be the same theme from you as after every other game ye lose this year, cause if so it's going to be a long and gloomy season for you!!
villaman10
26/10/2011, 6:23 PM
hope the msl team puts up a good performance tonight against the aul, going by their thread they are expecting to thrash the msl by 5/6
underpressure
26/10/2011, 7:14 PM
underpressure your'e starting to sound like a grumpy old man!! should really have all your'e facts before you start mouthing off about clubs cheating!! making a statement bout fermoy cheating, then 2 mins later asking eric for the rules of the game?? just seems a bit petty to me! would say every club has been helped by their senior players at some point and legally i might add, just as junior players have had to step up when the senior team are missing a few due to weddings and stags and other stuff! will this be the same theme from you as after every other game ye lose this year, cause if so it's going to be a long and gloomy season for you!!
i only asked him because he was certain that they could play senior players and he was so convinced about it! i know that players can play either way and it be legal, i have no problem with that, i just dont think its fair when you play against teams at junior level and the other team would have 4 or 5 senior players, whats the point in playin junior level when you come up against half senior teams in the matches, would you not agree with that?
underpressure
26/10/2011, 7:15 PM
Player who has played 5 or more senior games or has played in the Munster senior cup can't play. If he's already played for the other junior team then I'm not sure can he play either.
Thanks for clearing that up for me!
4 or 5? We used 1........as a sub!!!
For the record the MSL v AUL game is 0-0 at half-time
MSL 1 up after 53 mins, Shane Hennessey
MSL 2 up after 70 mins, Kristian Dennehy
villaman10
26/10/2011, 8:12 PM
MSL 2 up after 70 mins, Kristian Dennehy
jesus thats a great result! do they look like holding out for the win??
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