Munster Senior League - Junior Divisions

[littleman]

Bang on razor .

[Im_not_stirring]

So basically what we're saying here is that nobody knows the exact rules and everyone is surmising / stirring.
Don't go making any assumptions lads, get the facts right and if someone has a link to the actual rules please post them.
I agree also but the problem for clubs is I dont't think the league know the rule either they have confused it so much. Douglas hall would know most they fell foul to it.

[littleman]

All any one has to do if in doubt is contact the league before a player is used an seek clarification prior to kicking a ball . As we did yesterday . Know body is hiding anything .

The league has been very vigilant in keeping tabs on things this season an have always stated that if you are unclear just ring and seek clarification rather than make a mistake . Top class approach .

I don't think it's fair to be casting aspersions on clubs or players on here based on what a lad thinks are the rules .

Iv read the rule book back to front up an down an I still would be not 100% . The rules can be misinterpreted depending on what you want to see . Hence seeking clarification from the league . I hope this clarifies the situation for you Footballmad .


This forum by the way borders on the ridiculous . Not one post all week an between yesterday morning an last night the bones of 20 .

The pressure must be on lads if ye are grasping at straws !

[the hawk]

Flick has played senior games for corinthians in the league and to the best of my knowledge he played against wilton in the donie forde last week

[Bodie]

Flick has played senior games for corinthians in the league and to the best of my knowledge he played against wilton in the donie forde last weekIf he did play Donie Forde last week then he is surely ineligible to play anymore Junior Cup games? even though it is a different comp and he is a registered junior player who has played over 5 senior games.Is it not the case that if a player regardless of whether he is registered senior/junior, once he plays 5 senior games, he becomes a senior player. And as senior players can only play 5 junior games MAX he would therefore be ineligible? and does that also mean they could be in trouble if he has played any league games with Cors over the last few weeks?watch this space i suppose...

[corkey121]

If he did play Donie Forde last week then he is surely ineligible to play anymore Junior Cup games? even though it is a different comp and he is a registered junior player who has played over 5 senior games.Is it not the case that if a player regardless of whether he is registered senior/junior, once he plays 5 senior games, he becomes a senior player. And as senior players can only play 5 junior games MAX he would therefore be ineligible? and does that also mean they could be in trouble if he has played any league games with Cors over the last few weeks?watch this space i suppose...

Did he play keane cup anyone know ....???

[tweety]

If he did play Donie Forde last week then he is surely ineligible to play anymore Junior Cup games? even though it is a different comp and he is a registered junior player who has played over 5 senior games.Is it not the case that if a player regardless of whether he is registered senior/junior, once he plays 5 senior games, he becomes a senior player. And as senior players can only play 5 junior games MAX he would therefore be ineligible? and does that also mean they could be in trouble if he has played any league games with Cors over the last few weeks?watch this space i suppose...

We're does it state that a senior can play only 5 league games for juniors,from I can gather it's only two seniors allowed on your card regardless of how many games they play .

[littleman]

Tweety back in the cage kid.

A junior player can play 5 senior games in any competition and retain junior status . If he plays a 6th he is automatically regraded to senior level an thus not allowed play in any junior cups.

A senior is allowed play 5 games in junior league games only . Seniors are not allowed play in any junior cup game.

I'd advise all clubs to re visit the MSL rule book asap .

[Superkeeper]

Lads I am sure the MSL would be delighted to get some of ye involved at Committee level you know so much about the rules ! and to make it worse, most of what's been stated here is completely untrue!

[tweety]

Tweety back in the cage kid.

A junior player can play 5 senior games in any competition and retain junior status . If he plays a 6th he is automatically regraded to senior level an thus not allowed play in any junior cups.

A senior is allowed play 5 games in junior league games only . Seniors are not allowed play in any junior cup game.

I'd advise all clubs to re visit the MSL rule book asap .

Doesn't really concern me but if somebody came on here and stated exactly what the rule was or even if every club was emailed the new rules,seems to me by tweeking it every year always teams gonna make a mistake,but for all yer sakes the league should finally clarify the rules,if you can't be 100% after reading a rule book littleman then system is flawed.

[fifa]

The rule is as littleman says above rules are on msl website

[Im_not_stirring]

Lads I am sure the MSL would be delighted to get some of ye involved at Committee level you know so much about the rules ! and to make it worse, most of what's been stated here is completely untrue!

Doubt that very much that hole place is sown up by a load of cronies that look out for each other. Also don't think whats being stated is all wrong but alot of 2nd guessing because the rules seem to vary from year to year. I still maintain a douglas hall man could shed some light on it as they fell foul to this rule. Don't mean this in a bad way but they must have had dealings with the league on the matter.

[Im_not_stirring]

A few points on all this. 1st I welcome the debate and think it is good that people are helping the league police this as it is only right for all teams invovled.

I agree with your earlier statement littleman about match reports but I personally did not submit one as I only caught last half hour and it was 2-1 also the ringmahon man was send off at this stage. Wouldn't be a fair match report to either team only seeing some of the game. Also saw the everton senior cup game which they won and again only saw 2nd half so didn't submit match report on game. I can't however agree with you about the forum bordering on the ridiculous as at the end of the day I would like to see this forum pick up in terms of match reports but also every other aspect of junior football not just games but things like this debate that helps keep teams informed.Only a few months ago you thought so yourself when the hall were put out ( recalling from mermory didn't look back stand open to correction).

A few things that can be gathered from here is that cors did def play a player that has played senior. I couldn't imagion them taking a risk like that unless they checked with the league prior to the game about this so called player (unless its a geniune mistake ). This however opens up the question of , if he has being called up senior to help there struggling seniors why wasn't he good enough to start and was it a gamble that cors decided to take mid game.

To the best of my knowledge what you have stated a few post back about seniors not playing junior cups is correct. But would he be classed as a senior if registered junior?? There seems no doubt he played and has def. played senior at some stage but how much and what competions aren't so clear. In fairness alot of this seems to be coming from clubs that weren't even involved for what reasons seem unclear at least to me.

Finally I think this forum is the right place for these debates as it is msl junior section not just a match report section so I think until it is resolved people are entitled to speak up. I would love to see alot more of

THESE PEOPLE SUBMITTING MATCH REPORTS ON GAMES ALSO.

Also razor i know you dont like peope generally causing hassle but this is a debate that helps find out the truth in these matters. It must be good to see the forum pick up. Now if other topics in junior football picked up it would be good to see people getting more invovled.

Personally amazed by the amount of comments on this game as from what I saw it wasn't a particulally big crowd at the game.

[littleman]

Super keeper every time I read the MSL rule book it seems to have a little something changed.

Today for instance, page 18 rule 17 states that a senior can only play in a junior league game if his club has a junior premier and a 1st division side !

How many of us knew that !

[Im_not_stirring]

If what hawk says is true could spell trouble. Surely a ringmahon or cors person could end this rubbish

[littleman]

Excellent post INS . The long one I meant .

My frustration with this forum is based on the fact that it's more likey that someone will post something in the vain hope it will annoy another rather than post a match report or something that is vaguely related to an actual game .

All these posts an yet nothing on the Hall going top is an example.

Far as I'm concerned what ever happened over the weekend is old news . Tough on Ringmahon B an congrats to Cors.

Can we move on please .

[Im_not_stirring]

Excellent post INS . The long one I meant .

My frustration with this forum is based on the fact that it's more likey that someone will post something in the vain hope it will annoy another rather than post a match report or something that is vaguely relegated to an actual game .

All these posts an yet nothing on the Hall going top is an example.

Far as I'm concerned what ever happened over the weekend is old news . Tough on Ringmahon B an congrats to Cors.

Can we move on please .

Yes I would think that is def happening on here.

Don't think there is much being drawn to the hall going top over the games in hand a few teams have. Fair play to them getting back into it after the few months they had there when people were stirring about there hole club. They not only righted the juniors but there seniors had a great win over cork city the weekend. Always knew to many good players up there for them not to get it right.

As for the weekend if I was ringmahon B I would be upset if its true about the player after the effort they put in. From what I saw both teams really wanted it and spotters was a horrible way to lose it but that's football.

I'll be trying to get the other semi in but 6 sat night isn't great time for me.

What it does show again is anyone can give any team a game on there day premier, so there must be alot to play for and very interesting at both ends of the table with 3 going down. I'll stand by my comments that its cors to throw away. They just seem to know how to get results in difficult situations as the last few weeks have shown.

[littleman]

Half a season is about to unfold in the space of 4 weeks,,,,,,, may the best team win........ Hope every team mans up .

[Shinguard]

Super keeper every time I read the MSL rule book it seems to have a little something changed.

Today for instance, page 18 rule 17 states that a senior can only play in a junior league game if his club has a junior premier and a 1st division side !

How many of us knew that !

Littleman your post #1409 in relation to Senior/Junior players playing is correct but this post is very misleading.
The rule states;
Registered Senior players can only play with the Junior Premier Team in the event of the club having both Junior Premier and Junior First Division teams.
Clubs who have a second junior team like Carrigaline Utd. Douglas Hall, College Corinthians, Everton etc. are well aware of this rule as it is there all season. It wasn't just added during the week.

[Sparks]

Littleman your post #1409 in relation to Senior/Junior players playing is correct but this post is very misleading.
The rule states;
Registered Senior players can only play with the Junior Premier Team in the event of the club having both Junior Premier and Junior First Division teams.
Clubs who have a second junior team like Carrigaline Utd. Douglas Hall, College Corinthians, Everton etc. are well aware of this rule as it is there all season. It wasn't just added during the week.
What happens with Ringmahon then who have 2 premier sides?

[littleman]

My apoligies shin guard , I wasn't inferring anything untoward nor did I mean to mislead anyone .

It was more of pointing out that the rules can sometimes be left open to interpritation and in looking for clarification at times your more confused afterwords .

Iv read the rule book an there are several references to seniors an juniors an what they are allowed play .
Up to now I was under the impression that 2 seniors were allowed play in a junior league game . But according to this rule that's only possible if a club has a junior prem and 1st division side. Do you not think its a bit misleading . What do clubs who only have a single junior side do . Are they allowed use 2 seniors if needed or would that be deedem to be breaking the rules . Can you see my point .

I think it's best when they are clear cut and precise . You can play , or you can't would surfice but evidently we all can have a different spin on things depending on what side we are looking at it from .

[Shinguard]

What happens with Ringmahon then who have 2 premier sides?
The 2 senior players can play with Ringmahon Rangers A only.
Littleman you are correct in stating that 2 senior players can play in a junior league game but only for the first junior team. A club like Mayfield United or Avondale who have only one junior team then they can play for that team. If a club, like Carrigaline United has a second junior team senior players can't play in that team.

[littleman]

Appriciate ya clearing the matter up shin guard . Small bit of clarity once an a while makes it all a bit easier to understand an helps us avoid mistakes .

[Im_not_stirring]

Littleman your post #1409 in relation to Senior/Junior players playing is correct but this post is very misleading.
The rule states;
Registered Senior players can only play with the Junior Premier Team in the event of the club having both Junior Premier and Junior First Division teams.
Clubs who have a second junior team like Carrigaline Utd. Douglas Hall, College Corinthians, Everton etc. are well aware of this rule as it is there all season. It wasn't just added during the week.
Totally wrong. The player has a choice which team to help out but can't change teams once they play. If that's the case I'd say all teams with 2 junior clubs are in trouble. Love to see that rule shin guard. Are you looking to take my name.

[Im_not_stirring]

Big weekend of games again this week. As you said little man I'd say silly season is about to start , let's hope the weather has stopped disturbing things :)

[Im_not_stirring]

Glasheen v Douglas Hall
Carrigaline Utd v Everton
Rockmount v Midleton
Mallow Utd v UCC A
Glasheen v UCC
Everton v Douglas Hall

Few cup games also on top of mayfield v ringmahon A semi final.

Midleton & hall playing but break from the league for cors mayfield and ringmahon. Big weekend for a few teams at the other end. All hall and midleton can do is keep up the pressure.

How do people see it going?

[Sparks]

Totally wrong. The player has a choice which team to help out but can't change teams once they play. If that's the case I'd say all teams with 2 junior clubs are in trouble. Love to see that rule shin guard. Are you looking to take my name.


So your saying a senior player can play for a clubs "b" junior side so long as he doesn't play for the "a" side. And like wise if a senior plays for the "a" junior side he cannot play for the "b" junior side regardless of which division's the sides are in?

[Im_not_stirring]

Yes senior players played for carrigalines b team in the past. I know that much.

[Sparks]

Yes senior players played for carrigalines b team in the past. I know that much.

Can you give us a link too that rule or a contact from the league who ok'd it? Also what players and what games did carrigaline play them in? Thanks

[Shinguard]

Totally wrong. The player has a choice which team to help out but can't change teams once they play. If that's the case I'd say all teams with 2 junior clubs are in trouble. Love to see that rule shin guard. Are you looking to take my name.

Its rule 17(c) which I have already posted. The rule states " Registered Senior Players can only play with the Junior Premier Team in the event of the club having both Junior Premier and First Division Teams".
If Carrigaline United B played senior players this season then they played them illegally. There is no choice as to which team a senior player can play with.

[Innishvilla]

Totally wrong. The player has a choice which team to help out but can't change teams once they play. If that's the case I'd say all teams with 2 junior clubs are in trouble. Love to see that rule shin guard. Are you looking to take my name.

Well in the rule book on MSL website
Rule 17 (c) Registered Senior players can only play with the Junior Premier team in the event of the Club having both Junior Premier and Junior First Division teams.

Isn't definitive if a club had more than 1 team in premier division...

[Im_not_stirring]

Can you give us a link too that rule or a contact from the league who ok'd it? Also what players and what games did carrigaline play them in? Thanks

I can't unfortunately as it was last season and I could be wrong but the rule might have changed this year.

One thing is for sure. The rules must be flawed if it's stirring :) up this much hassle. No one seems to know the definite league position.

[Shinguard]

I can't unfortunately as it was last season and I could be wrong but the rule might have changed this year.

One thing is for sure. The rules must be flawed if it's stirring :) up this much hassle. No one seems to know the definite league position.
Rule 17(c) was only put in this season. Last season senior players could play with their respective 2nd Junior Team. So Carrigaline and all the other clubs with 2nd Junior Teams were OK last season. This season there is no hassle with the rule as all clubs with 2nd Junior Teams are very familiar with the rule.

[buzzkill]

Well in the rule book on MSL website
Rule 17 (c) Registered Senior players can only play with the Junior Premier team in the event of the Club having both Junior Premier and Junior First Division teams.

Isn't definitive if a club had more than 1 team in premier division...

if you look at the names of the second junior team in each club for example Douglas hall and Everton, the second teams name is Douglas Hall Athletic or Everton Utd. This is there because you cant have 2 junior teams under the same name in the same division so "technically" there a different club.

I can guarantee my information is correct as this has been the case for the last number of years and im only using the above club names as examples. The senior players cannot play for either of the 2 junior teams they have to play for the first team

[tweety]

Enough about the rule lads,everyone seems very confused,get your secretary in your club to ring so ye don't all get caught out,simple.
Back to the league,seen the table last night and Douglas are 5/6 games ahead of some teams and they are playing a game extra this week,why are the league letting them go so far ahead?they could be 7/8 games ahead of teams.

[Sparks]

Beamish Stout Junior League Cup Final 8th April Cancelled
Posted: 2014-04-04 15:01:30




Beamish Stout Junior League Cup Final scheduled for Turners Cross on Tuesday, 8th April, at 7.30pm is cancelled.

Updated Junior Premier Fixtures now available.

[fifa]

Beamish Stout Junior League Cup Final 8th April Cancelled
Posted: 2014-04-04 15:01:30




Beamish Stout Junior League Cup Final scheduled for Turners Cross on Tuesday, 8th April, at 7.30pm is cancelled.

Updated Junior Premier Fixtures now available.
Anyone know why?

[littleman]

League cup semi final

Mayfield 3 Ringmahon 0

[killer"B"]

League cup semi final

Mayfield 3 Ringmahon 0
congrats littleman when you know the final date leave me know will ya

[littleman]

Will do killer , can't see the MSL dragging out the final . I presume the matter will be deal th with quickly an a new date posted . All the one to us anyway who we play . Just delighted to have reached the final .

[Sparks]

Will do killer , can't see the MSL dragging out the final . I presume the matter will be deal th with quickly an a new date posted . All the one to us anyway who we play . Just delighted to have reached the final .

Nice one. Besta luck in the final!

[pirlo]

Any good games on now that the long evenings are back?

[littleman]

Interesting peice on the Echo tonite with regards to the League Cup Final cancellation . Least its out there now anyway an the rumors will stop . Makes our game tomorrow all the more interesting considering who we may have to play .

Id say Pirlo if you wanted to catch the game of the night it would have to be Cors an Midleton . Cors are flying but Midleton have done really well of late and are worthy contenders an they will know they have to get at least a draw to make it worthwhile trip .

Ringmahon A will have a tough one away to Everton who only recently won 1/3 away to Ringmahon if im correct and that could be a belter as well an its only a short spin to Everton park from Castletreasure if ya fancy getting a half of each .

We have to travel to Ringmahon to play the Ringmahon B side which is a tough fixture as well . Played them up in our place earlier on this season and they played really well ,we had to work hard for the win that evening .

Tough fixtures for us all tomorrow evening but i suppose these are the ones we will all look back on an say "if only" at the end of the season if ya end up with nothing .

Plenty of ball left to be played so good luck to all .

[Sparks]

Interesting peice on the Echo tonite with regards to the League Cup Final cancellation . Least its out there now anyway an the rumors will stop .

.

What did it say on the Echo?

[ringmahon4ever]

Everton v ringmahon jnr game off tonight in case anyone going to watch

[collcorforever]

Corinthians 2 Midleton 1

another good old win for Corinthians

any other results?

[littleman]

Ringmahon B 1 Mayfield 3,,,,,,,,,, had ta work bleedin hard for this one as well

[Im_not_stirring]

Corinthians 2 Midleton 1

another good old win for Corinthians

any other results?

Really is another good win. Ye just seem to have the habit of knowing how to win & grind out the results. Beaten all yer main rivals last few weeks bar ringmahon and even drew with them.

Well done.

[Im_not_stirring]

Ringmahon B 1 Mayfield 3,,,,,,,,,, had ta work bleedin hard for this one as well
Keeps ye in the hunt littleman but don't know who is going to do ye and the rest of the chasing pack the favours ye need to catch cors. Do ye have to play them at home

[littleman]

Pardon me INS but the only factor at play here is a logistical one .

From a bookies point of view the lesser games to play provide the least risk, the greater amount of games provide the greater risk no matter what the form .

I can speak freely that we have no intention of rolling over , we have no reason too .

We have led the league for so long , would it be so strange to finish it that way .

We ask for no favour , I would presume that given human nature teams who have been beaten by a slight margin would like to seek retribution . Teams , clubs an players have pride . Revenge spurs us all on at times .

Everyone wants to be the the one to take te scalp , again human nature .


The pressure is on Cors and all the sides who again logistically are favourites , as you an countless other have put yer shoulder behind their wagon an left the rest of us to feed off scraps of "well done "and "keep going " instead of fiar dues for leading for so long .

There pressure is all off us, we have a cup final in the bag , awaiting an opponent . Other teams have to wait for a verdict . Cors seniors lost tonite again, UCC an Mary's await in there next 2 games .

The Hall are struggling senior too .

Can't see those clubs being thrilled there seniors are possibly going down the swanny an their juniors are flying .

Hate me if I'm wrong, don't hate me if I have the mebs to say what I see .