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Will all the Dundalk fans now acknowledge what the rest of us said, in that Dundalk were in the wrong to sack him and that legally, it was not gross misconduct?
Why would you assume that we all agreed with the club in the first place ?
Ezeikial
29/07/2009, 9:27 PM
You must know how McGuinness feels after your pontificating on this and other matters
I havn't read all your 15,000 plus posts, but by crikey you do some line in pontification yourself, along with a fair smattering of dogma and hypocrisy.
El Paso
29/07/2009, 9:34 PM
Ah Celdrog, is this where you share your wisdom with the masses these days...
Very few DFC fans agreed with the decision, mostly because it is very difficult for an employer to win an unfair dismissal case and this one was always going to be very difficult to win.
Nonetheless some of our squad were clearly acting the maggot off the pitch at the time and performances on the pitch were unacceptable. The programme notes for that night stated 'We all have a duty to protect the League and it is important that we ensure high standards of discipline on the pitch.'
The case has gone against us but the turnaround in our fortunes since the club laid down the law has been stark. From that point of view we'll live.
But if Shelbyville want to give us back our Malone Cup share to help us through our predicament I'm sure it would be welcomed.
soccerc
29/07/2009, 9:55 PM
I havn't read all your 15,000 plus posts, but by crikey you do some line in pontification yourself, along with a fair smattering of dogma and hypocrisy.
Speaking of 15,000, that's what Dundalk will have to pay Rogers but in Euro not posts :cool:
Dunny
29/07/2009, 10:00 PM
Speaking of 15,000, that's what Dundalk will have to pay Rogers but in Euro not posts :cool:
While the board of Dundalk FC acted hastily, he showed no respect for the club or fans. It's a nightmare for our finances but il make sure to buy a few tickets for this Atletico game.
Celdrog
29/07/2009, 10:11 PM
Why would you assume that we all agreed with the club in the first place ?Well you did, for a start:D
What about the children at the game ? Was it right for them to witness this ? I think it sends out a clear message to the rest of the squad and I support the decision.
Most agreed, a few disagreed, presumably those who agreed will now accept GM was wrong (which I accept he rarely is)
longfordjames
29/07/2009, 10:21 PM
I would like to wish my former team-mates and the fans of the Dundalk all the best for the future. I really enjoyed my all too short stay at the club and I am very disappointed that the club sought to end it in such an unsatisfactory manner
Quote from him.Should he have been kept?
OneRedArmy
29/07/2009, 10:26 PM
I havn't read all your 15,000 plus posts, but by crikey you do some line in pontification yourself, along with a fair smattering of dogma and hypocrisy.it's beats the Dundalk party line that you trot out on every issue.
You either lack an independent mind, or are on the Board.
On the Rogers issue it was patently obvious Dundalk didn't follow standard HR procedures, they hadn't a leg to stand on. No wonder they are happy, it could've been much worse.
Dunny
29/07/2009, 10:38 PM
I would like to wish my former team-mates and the fans of the Dundalk all the best for the future. I really enjoyed my all too short stay at the club and I am very disappointed that the club sought to end it in such an unsatisfactory manner
Quote from him.Should he have been kept?
No. We have a better squad without him.
Celdrog
29/07/2009, 10:41 PM
our Malone Cup share to help us through our predicament I'm sure it would be welcomed.Have you won it this century?
Dunny
29/07/2009, 10:42 PM
Have you won it this century?
Pitiful.
SMorgan
29/07/2009, 10:52 PM
Have you won it this century?
And it only cost €12m :D:D
Celdrog
29/07/2009, 11:13 PM
So its not your Malone cup, then, I take it
Dunny
29/07/2009, 11:40 PM
Ah here...... As eyeball Paul would call you... (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sad+Act)
Ezeikial
29/07/2009, 11:57 PM
it's beats the Dundalk party line that you trot out on every issue.
You either lack an independent mind, or are on the Board.
On the Rogers issue it was patently obvious Dundalk didn't follow standard HR procedures, they hadn't a leg to stand on. No wonder they are happy, it could've been much worse.
Perhaps you should have taken the time to read the relevent posts before making such a nonsensical statement - I have consistently articulated the view that the board acted hastily, even harshly, and did not follow correct employment procedures.
I think that Dundalk may be on dodgy ground from a legal perspective, but I have no doubt about the morality of it.
I think that the sacking is harsh and an extreme reaction to the unacceptable levels of indiscipline that have been tolerated up to now. In that sense Dave Rogers is unfortunate, but is the author of his own misfortune.
The board have shown remarkable moral courage in their decision (whether you agree or disagree with it), and jibes about the moral character of players and other jibes are trite and miss the point.
Either way, I agree with you, it would have been more prudent of the Dundalk board to suspend him pending a disciplinary hearing.
Dundalk was decisive and firm (even if the technical procedure is found to be flawed)
From what I understand, the Dispute Resolution Chamber, (which is not binding on either party) made a recommendation on a financial settlement to Dave Rogers that is significantly less then the €10k-€15k suggested here and on Newstalk.
Of course the board cannot be satisfied that the hastiness and technical flaws in the dismissal will cost the club some money - but the change in discipline and attitude among the players and management that has followed is no co-incidence.
Dave Rogers played well for Dundalk in the short time he was at Oriel. I wish him well in the future, but the club is far better off without him.
chatterbox
30/07/2009, 12:09 AM
No. We have a better squad without him.
Don't know about that Dunny. He's one of the best LBs in the league IMO and personally I was delighted he wasn't going to play against us anymore. He'd be a loss to any Irish clubs squad atm.
Dodge
30/07/2009, 12:09 AM
I havn't read all your 15,000 plus posts, but by crikey you do some line in pontification yourself, along with a fair smattering of dogma and hypocrisy.
Can't think of any hypocrisy but I absolutely pontificate.
Don't mind you doing it either. Just think its funny that you'll have a pop at McGuinness doing it
soccerc
30/07/2009, 12:15 AM
From what I understand, the Dispute Resolution Chamber, (which is not binding on either party) made a recommendation on a financial settlement to Dave Rogers that is significantly less then the €10k-€15k suggested here and on Newstalk.
It's €15K ;)
sligoman
30/07/2009, 12:20 AM
Don't know about that Dunny. He's one of the best LBs in the league IMO and personally I was delighted he wasn't going to play against us anymore. He'd be a loss to any Irish clubs squad atm.Is this the same Dave Rogers that pulled down his shorts you're talking about?:confused:
Don't know about that Dunny. He's one of the best LBs in the league IMO and personally I was delighted he wasn't going to play against us anymore. He'd be a loss to any Irish clubs squad atm.
Funnily enough ever since his sacking we have turned a corner. I stand by my statement, we are way better off without him.
Well you did, for a start:D
Most agreed, a few disagreed, presumably those who agreed will now accept GM was wrong (which I accept he rarely is)
At the time I did, but after consideration, I though it was a rushed decision by the club and I was very sceptical that the club followed due process. This is probably why he won.
It was still a stupid act by the man, and I am glad he has left, just wish the club had followed procedure more carefully, 10k was the award, could have been worse for us.
Anyway its over now.
At the time I did, but after consideration, I though it was a rushed decision by the club and I was very sceptical that the club followed due process. This is probably why he won.
It was still a stupid act by the man, and I am glad he has left, just wish the club had followed procedure more carefully, 10k was the award, could have been worse for us.
Anyway its over now.
10k well worth it to get a parasite out of the club.We have moved in the right direction since his departure so he is no loss in that respect.
Yes he had a few decent matches(Derry away,he was immense) But when the chips were down in the home game V Pats he let everyone down badly.
Were Dundalk wrong to get rid of him?? No
Was the manor in which they dismissed him correct?? No
Overall though it has worked out for the best IMO
jinxy lilywhite
30/07/2009, 9:35 AM
Were Dundalk wrong to get rid of him?? No
Was the manor in which they dismissed him correct?? No
I guess 2 wrong do then make a right ;)
Overall dissappointed with the outcome. Personally i think the offence should outweigh the process but hey I don't make the laws in this country.
Good riddance anyway
whinnie01
30/07/2009, 12:43 PM
going to work to-night and am going to moon at everyone as they leave' safely in the knowledge that the boss can't sack me or will have to give me 10-15k in a couple of weeks.
passerrby
30/07/2009, 12:58 PM
going to work to-night and am going to moon at everyone as they leave' safely in the knowledge that the boss can't sack me or will have to give me 10-15k in a couple of weeks.
your boss would be entitled to sack you as long as he follows the correct procedures which dundalk did not
going to work to-night and am going to moon at everyone as they leave' safely in the knowledge that the boss can't sack me or will have to give me 10-15k in a couple of weeks.
You won't have work to go back to then.
whinnie01
30/07/2009, 1:58 PM
your boss would be entitled to sack you as long as he follows the correct procedures which dundalk did not
Good, at least we agree that he was right to be sacked , just because he was a professional footballer shouldn't give him the right too be a professional fool, unfortunatly for the Dundalk board fr doing the rght thing w cost them alot of money which i'm sure they would have better use's for.
On a seperate point has Mr McGuinness or any one from the Pfa come ou and reprimand Dave Rogers or advise their other members about their conduct.
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