At Celtic he often played with 3 centre backs. He had the likes of Didier Agathe as right wing Back who was a limited footballer but absolutely rapid. As stated he does like wingers or wing backs who get forward. On occasions he played Sutton at centre back and centre mid. He could be brilliant for the likes of Ciaran Clark and really bring him on.
Another somewhat warped view?
http://sportiseverything.com/2013/09/11/case-keano/
The one thing about MON is it might genuinely get the conversation going again about an All Ireland team which he was always a massive advocate of. Don't want to open a can of worms here but it would be great to have a calm debate on that in the media over the next couple of years.
I doubt if MON (the original), would encourage such debate, in the context of him being the our manager.Originally Posted by rebelmusic
And if there is to be some debate, I'd say definitely our manager and players should not be involved in it
On his football acumen. The straight/direct football tag, while he was at Celtic, is overused. Tactics were varied but often enough against packed defences in the SPL, with the pressure firmly on to win every game, the battering ram approach was used to get that 90th minute winner. Though he inherited most of his Celtic players, who had what you'd call exceptional ability, Lambert, Petrov, Larsson and 2 seasons each from Moravcik and Petta.
Nevertheless, those were the players who were a large part of the lynchpin. He didn't replace a talented player with a donkey. The tag that defined an O'Neill team, was a character that didn't give up when the chips were stacked.
Overall his stint with Sunderland was poor, he didn't effect an improvement.That might be a tell, relating to MON's outdated redundant football vision or it might be just an accumulation of events, a donkey club, wasters like Johnson, injuries to Fletcher, etc. and MON didn't have the answers.
I haven't got a clue how he would do with our squad. I like the character but it's not a personality contest.
Celtic was pretty much the right club at the right time...
Ireland perhaps less so, we'll see if he gets the gig first.
It pops up in the media and in political circles every now and again, but it's naturally a very one-sided "debate". I'm not sure why O'Neill being appointed our manager should make any difference, nor do I see why he'd even entertain the bother of acting mouthpiece for any unity campaign. He's always struck me as being a very diplomatic and thoughtful figure.
Assuming it would be legally viable for the sake of debate, how are you going to convince the IFA and their fans to join forces with an entity with which they don't identify in the slightest? In fact, many NI fans, although certainly not all, would possess an animosity towards us for various reasons, be that due to pure bigotry or due to a paranoid perception that we're actively operating to see the back of them by poaching "their" players and stoking up sectarian tensions in the north or whatever. From this perspective, they further interpret proposals for a single all-Ireland team as needlessly provocative trolling when they can see that we already have a de facto all-island team.
What would we make of calls to join an all-"British Isles" team? We'd roll our eyes and assume that anyone forwarding such a proposal was on a wind-up. The "conversation" would stop there. Would we even be happy to accept and establish a single all-island team under the auspices of the IFA and governed from Belfast, with our records, identity and symbols banished to the history books?
I think McClean should be involved. Nothing could go wrong there. Absolutely nothing.
Martin O'Neill is available but for a reason
The poor man hasn't even been offered the job yet and the knives are out....
I'd be very happy with O'Neill. Of the realistic candidates he is a far better manager than Keane, McCarthy or Coyle are ever likely to be. McDermott and Hughton have ruled themselves out and O'Leary I think would antagonise the media and fans very quickly, particularly if results were bad. Only issue I can see is that I think we are in for more years of direct, unattractive football and I was hoping I'd seen the back of that approach for a while after Trapattoni and Kerr. I'm not sure the Staunton era had any consistent approach to playing football, positive, negative or otherwise so I can't comment too much in that regards.
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I like that he used the word "Equanimity" in the comments in the Irish Times.
No Somos muchos pero estamos locos.
The reality is that he is likely the best choice unless the FAI take a gamble on some no name continental.
There is no such thing as a miracle cure, a free lunch or a humble opinion.
The first three paragraphs are overly-negative, melodramatic nonsense.
"Reign of error"? Trap's reign might have been frustrating viewing at times, especially its latter half, but I don't think it could be said that it was riddled with error? To expect him to have torn up his contract after the Euros is simply an unrealistic knee-jerk expectation coloured, no doubt, by hindsight and the year that followed. His system was exposed as ineffectual against the big boys but his getting us to Poland in the first place must be commended. Nobody's saying our current situation or ranking of 59th is indicative of a "great job", but neither does it cancel out Trap's earlier successes and the positives he brought to the team.
International management won't require O'Neill to move to Dublin, so that's a pointless criticism. And this guy's obviously done his research, basing his verdict of O'Neill on the opinion of the editor of a Sunderland fanzine last Thursday...Mille grazie, Giovanni – but if, as most people are suggesting, Martin O'Neill gets the job, then I fear we're in for another torrid time.
The argument goes that O'Neill is available and, yes, that's true, but he's available for a reason. His last tenure at Sunderland didn't go well at all.
For starters he didn't move to the area (sound familiar?) and, according to an interview with Sunderland's fanzine editor last Thursday his tactics were “stagnant, boring and predictable” (hmm).
As was the case with previous gigs at Leicester City, Celtic and Aston Villa, O’Neill was reluctant to bring young players through the ranks (Hang on a minute). Plus ca change, as Thierry Henry might say.
O'Neill is as old school in his footballing ways as Trap. If he gets the gig we can expect to see a lot more pigeon endangerment and a raft of handy caps for Conor Sammon – yippie-do.
As for the dig at Trap relating to ignoring fresh faces and failing to effect genuine change, I'm pretty sure Trap's record of capping new faces was much the same as, if not superior to, certain previous managers. Has anyone got any stats on that? If I recall, someone did post the stats on the forum somewhere before, but I've no idea where now.
Is O'Neill genuinely known for ignoring youth? I'm not sure myself as I've not followed his career to such a degree. I do know he had no qualms with bringing McClean in after Steve Bruce had him playing in the reserves.
Anyway, who does Byrne propose as a viable and more worthwhile alternative?... Nobody.
I posted this a while back, is it what you mean: http://foot.ie/threads/124532-Trapat...xperimentation
I'm actually updating it at the moment, so I'll have the complete list in the next day or so
That's the post. Cheers, tets!
Trap definitely did introduce new faces, contrary to what was perceived at the time. The problem was which new faces he appreciated and which ones he didn't!
Didn't young payers like McGeady, Maloney, Miller and Marshall get introduced by O'Neill at Celtic?
Have there been no foreign managers mentioned as being in contention for this job in the press? how about Pulis he is out of work too
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-29580360.html
Who is Hector Cuper?
The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist thinks it will change; the realist adjusts the sails.
I note that the Indo doesn't say that Cuper is available - but for a reason. Instead, they note that he has Irish grandparents, by gum. Never mind that if that's important, Martin O'Neill is Irish. The Indo really is drivel.
It's an interesting name, even if his wiki does seem to mention more than once that he got the sack for leaving teams in poor positions in the league -
Suffering bad results in spite of his many signings, Cúper decided to leave [Mallorca] in February 2006, with the team at the bottom of the league.He started the 2007–08 season at the helm of Real Betis, but was sacked on 2 December 2007On 11 March 2008 he was unveiled as the new boss of relegation-battling Serie A team Parma[...]He was then sacked two months laterOn 1 August 2008, Cúper became the head coach of the Georgia national team. But due to his failure to win a single match as Georgia's head coach, he didn't prolong the contract when it expired in December 2009.Had a good spell at Valencia obviously, and seems to have done ok at Aris and Orduspor. But I wonder looking at that if he's made a career from those three European finals - Mallorca in 1998 and Valencia in 1999 and 2000? They're a fair while back now.On 29 June 2011 Cúper moved to Racing Santander signing for one season. However, after five months he resigned from his position due to the poor performance of the team, which was placed at the bottom in La Liga.
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It says who he is in the article!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A9ctor_C%C3%BAper
The old Indo die/blowhards are continuing their predictable and ordered rant against all things DOB. Don't for a moment think that anything has to do with proper journalism. It is a shameful publication and I'm just glad I've stopped reading since they dreamed up a lie before the Faeroes match and tried to spin it off as journalism. There are writers on the paper who are good, decent people, but the editorial stance has gone too far along the Fleet street line to be rescued.
Cuper......christ.
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