Not a bad article on O'Neill urging that the FAI broaden their horizons and look at other options. Kelly's summary of O'Neill's career is good I feel, his comments on his time at Sunderland mirror my own, and I hope if appointed, he adopts a more flexible approach to tactics than Trap did.Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-29582194.html
Kelly's article seems to start out saying O'Neill isn't the only option available, then gives reasons why he's the best option, and then mentions some names right at the very end, but doesn't mention why they are options.
In fairness I think that's a decent article. He also forgot to mention that, as Geysir pointed out, a swift appointment would deprive us of months of speculation and debate on foot.ie. This should be a serious consideration. I know for a fact that at least 6 of us are season ticket holders.
I think MON, Keane and Mick all have positives and negatives but I'd be happy with any of them. I think Cuper would be riskier.
Despite MON having some ticks in the debit column I think on balance he can bring a lot to the job. I see no harm in acting decisively and I think it'll be useful for him to have 2 games up close to form an early opinion of what the task ahead is like.
Just one point about MON: the UEFA 2003 campaign was indeed a great success, but it only came about because Celtic had a horror show against Basel in the CL qualifier!
Has any Men's international team ever been managed by a female? The Irish are always breaking boundaries, why not hire a chick?
No Somos muchos pero estamos locos.
If we wanted to break boundaries we could start by not calling them "chick"
And we must not forget that the UEFA Cup was such a mickey-mouse competition, UEFA had to rebrand it as the Europa League.
I wouldn't mind, at least when it was called the UEFA Cup it could still be confused for the decent competition it once was... the Europa League branding only serves to highlight it's inferiority compared to the Champions League.
Which Irish players have played under O'Neill?
I can think of O'Shea, McClean, Westwood, Dunne, Ireland... Any others?
McGeady!
And Ciaran Clark.
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Meyler?
Yes.
And Roy O'Donovan...
Didn't Ireland move to Villa after O'Neill left?
Wasn't it the transfer that broke O'Neill's will to stay at Villa?
It was around the same time, think O'Neill wanted more funds for further transfers and Lerner wouldn't sanction it
I was at a friendly at Dalymount Park, one of O'Neill's last games, and I'm convinced Ireland was there, and was booed by a section of the crowd when his named was announced
As promised, the list of players to get their first cap under Trapattoni:
Liam Lawrence
Kevin Foley
Darren O'Dea
Glenn Whelan
Damien Delaney
Keiren Westwood
Wes Hoolahan
Leon Best
Caleb Folan
Keith Andrews
Noel Hunt
Eddie Nolan
David Forde
Ciaran Clarke
Marc Wilson
Seamus Coleman
James McCarthy
James McClean
Conor Sammon
Jon Walters
Darren Randolph
Paul Green
Sean St Ledger
Jeff Hendrick
Robert Brady
Simon Cox
Greg Cunningham
Keith Fahey
Cilian Sheridan
Keith Treacy
Stephen Ward
David Meyler
Alex Pearce
Richard Keogh
Stephen Quinn
Paddy Madden
Anthony Pilkington
37 in total
I'm not 100% on some of them, so I'm open to correction
Note: St Ledger and Lawrence both made the subs bench under Staunton, but neither made their first appearance until Trapattoni was in charge
Already have my mortgage on him
There is of course an obvious difference between club and national management, the players available for selection
is at best about 50 as opposed to about 5,000+, so the technical and man management side of things matters most,
you can't transfer list players you have fallen out with and buy in a replacement. A manager who was good at wheeling
and dealing in the transfer market might come undone.
Not too sure how that applies to the candidates in question, O'Neil has never managed by national level, but I imagine
he is pretty good man manager, he is an intelligent man, and pretty diplomatic I expect don't recall him falling out with players.
I'd say big Mick was pretty good on the management side, with most players, there is one notable exception though
Not too sure about the rest, some will be more abrasive than others I guess.
It certainly seems there were quite a few players who are not overly keen (no pun intended lol
If you look back at Jack Charlton, was he not pretty relaxed in approach? So much so that he didn't know half the players names??
I think if it is more enjoyable experience for the players you get the best out of them, however the more driven players
who are often the best might not appreciate to lax regime, not sure if we have too many of them though.
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Yes why not, boundaries are there to be broken are they not?Has any Men's international team ever been managed by a female? The Irish are always breaking boundaries, why not hire a chick?
You might not know her in the states, but it's Lauren Harries from UK Celebrity Big Brother, she is quite used
to handling men because she used to be one, she has handled quite a few since then by all accounts!!
Last edited by tricky_colour; 17/09/2013 at 2:13 AM.
Seems Hector Cuper is the latest name thrown into the ring.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/socc...tion-1.1529736
Am I wrong or was he mentioned before we gave the job the trap?
Anyway he has bee relatively successful with Inter, valencia and majorca but not so much with parma and georgia
Cuper mentioned in this article from The Irish Times. Out of interest does Dennis O'Brien have any say in the appointment or does he just fund it?
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/socc...tion-1.1529736
Hector Cuper would be even more negative than Trap. Favourite formation is 4-4-2 with 2 defensive midfielders.
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