QuoteI agree with most of what you say on this matter except I classify it ultimately as club over country. Disagree all you want but you are not God.Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
I didn't even include Steven Reid because I can't see him managing the extra playing load on top of his injuries. Besides would he even be considered a midfielder anymore and do we need him as an RB?
Is Gibson now a chronic injury case? He does pick them up though I hadn't gone that far in my thinking.
Ou-est le Centre George Pompidou?
I agree with most of what you say on this matter except I classify it ultimately as club over country. Disagree all you want but you are not God.
I haven't looked it up, but I'm reasonably sure Gibson has been injured for all, or most, of the international windows since he decided he wouldn't play for Trap. Granted, so had Pilkington until last week, but Gibson seems to be further into the chronic stage. He's missed large chunks of the last three seasons, including the first months of the past two.
I could be god, you don't know that. But, yeah, I guess we'll agree to disagree but I think you are failing to see the shades of grey here.
looks like the MON meeja love in is about to come to fruition. Nice, intelligent man, but we can forget about nice football and a removal of player conflict. But if that happened there'd be nothing to comment on. Ads don't sell themselves.
Has Gibson been injured for all? I'd thought there might have been one or two squads where it was expected he'd be available. I don't think he was injured when we played England at the end of May. He was on his stag-do in Marbella at the time, if I recall correctly. Not that that proves he wasn't injured, mind, and I am open to correction on it. Regardless, it's not as if he'd have accepted a call-up anyway as it seems he was intentionally avoiding any of Trap's attempts at communication.
Indeed, Slovakia were a pot three team for Euro 2008 qualifying whilst we were in the fourth pot. Interestingly, just looking back, the Czechs were top seeds and Germany were in pot two then.
Wasn't Darwin the undoing of God?
Tbf, Irwin comes out on top here. Mildly surprised to see him taking on the Doire boys, who're a formidable combination. But with even the Irish soccer team, shocks do happen...
Rather like the Irish soccer team in their better Trap days, Irwin's refusal to read the writing on the wall/screen made him tough opposition to break down.
Ou-est le Centre George Pompidou?
Not sure where else to put this, but there has been some discussion on the 'Belgium' method - but interesting piece by Rory Smith says it's no guarantee and every country needs a large slice of luck for a golden generation to emerge.
Ou-est le Centre George Pompidou?
Well exactly. Belgium are as 'cyclical' as us. Prefer the example of Denmark as an 'aspiration'...
The frustrating thing is how polar opposite opinions and ideas seem to be. If you criticised Traps style it's suggested that Ireland don't have the players to play like Spain or play free flowing attacking football. Who said we did? I don't expect Ireland to be Spain but , I believe, that it's a reasonable enough expectation to pass the ball a couple of times on the ground. Maybe have a little bit more of a measured approach to attacking while still being a hard team to break down. No doubt I believe our approach should be that we are hard to beat but we do have players, played in a different system, to both attack & defend reasonably well. Inope the new man can utilise what's available to us, which I believe is more than what Trap suggested.
Strangely enough both might make it to the world cup yet!
They won't. Even though it'd be ace if they did.
Cape Verde banished for fielding an illegible player unfortunately.Strangely enough both might make it to the world cup yet!
Dan McDonnell just tweeted a reported quote from Mick McCarthy saying O'Neill is 'nailed on' and 'a shoo-in' for the job. This could be dusted in record time.
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Ou-est le Centre George Pompidou?
I'd agree with MO'N as manager at this point in time. There's an underground type movement who would like to see Mick McCarthy return to manage Ireland but I would say not right now.
https://foot.ie/forums/117-Kerry-FC
A Championship: 4 years - 8 first teams - 0 financially ruined. First Division '14: 7 first teams.
Opportunity lost for new clubs/regions to join the LoI family.
I'm not wholly convinced. Rather than some mysterious or unhidden hand playing its part in your fortunes, I think you make your own "luck". Some wisened young Roman put it best when he said, "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity". I think Smith almost paraphrases in a footballing context and goes some way towards admitting this in his penultimate paragraph:
That is not to suggest there is nothing that can be done. The conditions must be created to allow those players to shine should they arrive.
Besides, I'd rather our ambitions and achievements weren't dependent or reliant on this "luck". We can sit back and dream about being due a fat slice of it, and a golden generation to boot (or our solitary once-in-a-score world-class player, even...), or we can ensure that we organise the Irish game and prepare our footballers properly en masse. The latter approach will always prove more fruitful and likely to breed success. There is no cycle; we're two decades behind the heavyweights and will simply be left further behind as more and more associations follow suit. "Luck" certainly won't be making up the lost ground for us.
Isaac Cuenca, Cristian Tello and Martin Montoya may not be of the quality of Xavi or Iniesta in the eyes of Smith, but it's a sure bet they'll still be exceptionally competent footballers. If a progressive framework can't guarantee winning the World Cup, it can at least guarantee a team's competitiveness and ensure they'll never plummet down the rankings to 59th again. The idea of putting in place what would essentially be a lower threshold buffer line, whilst also giving us a much better chance when opportunity does fall our way, is worth taking very seriously.
Foley from the ashes?
More seriously, I do agree with you though. If a player can perform a functional role for us, let him do his talking on the pitch. How footballers live - and it must be remembered they are also human and share the same flaws as the rest of us - or what they get up to in their private lives is their business. If they're willing to do learn from the past and put themselves forward to do a job for us on the pitch, I'm happy to support that. Stephen Ireland's apparent nonchalance used to irritate me, but, over time, sympathy has become an over-riding feeling when I think about his circumstances.
So, it looks like we're going to have MO'N in charge?
Some have been saying he pays a negative style of football. I'm not sure it's negative, more direct, no? I know Celtic fans felt there was a lack of style in the team and this was probably true in the latter part of his tenure.
A few things stand out for me about O'Neill:
A bit like Trap he is a "system" manager, but he has employed different systems including 3 at the back.
He always bought players to fill a specific role in his systems. He'll have to make do with what he can pick for us.
He likes a big 9. Can Long, Doyle, Walters do the role he had historically trusted to Sutton, Marshall at Leicester, Hartson, Heskey or Carew?
He genuinely values width and he had some good wide players at Celtic in particular.
He has always got the best out of workmanlike centre backs.
Unlike Trap he does seem to trust talented midfielders. Moravcik and Maloney did well under him, and Miller (when not in a flat midfield 4) played his best football of his career.
Home was a fortress at Celtic, both in Scotland and Europe. Apart from 2003, European away form was awful.
In his first title successes he was a master at eeking out narrow away wins at tricky places.
Players are very loyal to him and I believe he's an extraordinary motivator.
After Mourinho's first season at Chelsea (2003?) I stuck up a new thread in World Football comparing the two. If anyone can dig it out I'd be interested. I'll have a go myself later but I'm stuck for time now. I think a lot of what I wrote might be out of date now, but I have to admit I didn't really study his style at Villa or Sunderland.
I have some concerns but by and large I think it's exciting and he'll give a real shot in the arm to the set up.
I also wonder in xx years will we look at his appointment as what started a shift to a 32 county team? Or will it create a bigger divide?
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This looks like it: http://foot.ie/threads/21300-Mourinh...ill?highlight=
He's a universally-popular figure across the island, but it'd be interesting to know what NI fans make of what will be our most audacious poaching attempt of them all.I also wonder in xx years will we look at his appointment as what started a shift to a 32 county team? Or will it create a bigger divide?
NB or GR; any idea what the general mood is like amongst OWCers?
Thanks Danny. So basically I just rehashed a lot of what I wrote in 2005! Of course I should have added the bit about teams managed by each being renowned for set pieces.
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