QuoteOriginally Posted by The Fly
classy
Oui, c'est l'entente cordiale
classy
There is - that's the long and the short of it.
Northern Ireland fans do not wish to see our International team disappear. Simple as that.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
Fair enough and I respect that wish completely. There was nothing wrong with debating it though - the outcome of that debate being that we all accept that a proposed merging of both associations would not work/be accepted.
Not Brazil is right Scooby, the vast majority of Northern Ireland fans would be against it.
It is important, and only obvious, to note though that Northern Ireland fans are not in any way reflective of Northern Ireland as a whole. Indeed, I would estimate that the proportion of the Northern Ireland population who would class themselves as fans of 'Norn Iron' would be less than 50%. Obviously, the vast majority of the Nationaist population naturally support ROI, while a small minority of the Unionist population, (who, one would expect to gravitate towards the NI team), support England.
I'm not sure if many on foot.ie knew that last bit!
Ok, so any chance of changing your flag, anthem and ultimate mindset of unionist politicians who don't see themselves as 'Irish' ? Which are all entirelyBritish and imposed on the native Irish populace!
And note no-one has put up a credible view, not it exists in reality, about how the wider unionist population suddenly becomes 'Irish'....have they run out of postage stamps then?
And all these people who suddenly 'love' Henry, based on their own narrow bigotry, are also claiming to be 'Irish' !
Why? No right-thinking Irish person would do such a thing......
I was at an IFA Awards Dinner in the City Hall, Belfast last night.
Jimmy Jones was there to pick up a "Legend" Award, and it was great to see him. Old and frail, but still with a story or two to tell. What a goalscoring record he had.
An emotional Jimmy Jones, commented, “I had a fantastic night and it meant a great deal to me and my family to receive a surprise award”.
The Belfast Celtic Historical Society had a table at the event.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
Got any evidence for the strength of the relative supports?
I think your research might be a bit wee faulty there, Fly. You seem to be downplaying those who support two or more teams, enjoy the game without favoring anyone in particular, or basically aren't interested in a bunch of crybabies whining about losing a bad refereeing decision.Obviously, the vast majority of the Nationaist population naturally support ROI
Aye, bloody gloryhunters. But don't worry, the new Mrs Lampard will make sure her bloke doesn't score for England.while a small minority of the Unionist population, (who, one would expect to gravitate towards the NI team), support England
Don't be daft, every football-supporting kid on the island knows that most fans support British club teams- and a minority (as you mention) the big neighbor that's most likely to win internationally.I'm not sure if many on foot.ie knew that last bit!
My National Flag is the Union Flag (it even has a St Patrick's Cross in itOk, so any chance of changing your flag, anthem and ultimate mindset of unionist politicians who don't see themselves as 'Irish' ? Which are all entirely
No apology for that, whatsoever.
No, I won't be changing that.
I would be happy for a new "sporting" anthem to be employed at Northern Ireland games though.
I will not be denouncing my "Irishness", nor will I ever be conceding to your myopic view of what "Irishness" constitutes.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
[QUOTE=Gather round;1280315] basically aren't interested in a bunch of crybabies whining about losing a bad refereeing decision.
GR, get off your high horse. It'll be a very long time before you and the rest of NI supporters will be close enough to a WC to feel such crushing disappointment after having a totally deserved ticket to the finals snatched away like that. When NI come close to achieving what Ireland did on Wednesday night then you can pontificate to us. Until then, toddle on back to Our Wee Country/mindset.
Hmm. Part 1 contradicts Part 2, FFS! Though at least you accept some middle ground!My National Flag is the Union Flag (it even has a St Patrick's Cross in it
I would be happy for a new "sporting" anthem to be employed at Northern Ireland games though.
I will not be denouncing my "Irishness", nor will I ever be conceding to your myopic view of what "Irishness" constitutes.
And you seem to think I'm somehow defining 'Irishness';no real Irish person, even the worst kind of Sun-reading 'west Brit' would ever accept a tribute to some detached member of the German aristocracy as their anthem....hardly 'my' myopia.
Just a well-established view that you do or, in your case, dont subscribe to!
Read-up on definitions of Irishness;they don't and by their definition, aren't ever going to include that tune or colour scheme.
Read-up on definitions of Irishness;they don't and by their definition, aren't ever going to include that tune or colour scheme.
They are born on the island of Ireland therefore they are as Irish as anyone, regardless of your 'definition' of Irishness.
Your President speaks a lot of sense on the issue - backwoodsmen like our friend from Ardee should wake up.
They are born on the island of Ireland therefore they are as Irish as anyone, regardless of your 'definition' of Irishness.
Interesting piece here - sorry if it veers away from the football, but it will challenge the myopic mindset of some here.
It is written by a former political spokesman for the Ulster Defence Association (UDA).
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...337390922.html
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
Fair enough NB. I for one would not expect you to change it.My National Flag is the Union Flag (it even has a St Patrick's Cross in it
No apology for that, whatsoever.
No, I won't be changing that.
Also, the Union Jack does indeed have the St. Patrick's Cross in it. However, it was not put there out of benevolence but through empire-building and conquest.
Indeed NB, not one should subscribe to any myopic view of what constitutes Irishness. However, a person from Ireland who holds a Unionist position or Unionist views/beliefs is less Irish than someone who does not.
Last edited by The Fly; 22/11/2009 at 4:51 PM.
I totally disagree...but this is neither the time or the place.
I'm not "second class" Irish.
Last edited by Not Brazil; 22/11/2009 at 5:01 PM.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
Interesting piece NB but i wonder, and i'm just being the devil's advocate here, is the notion of dual identity not more likely to be adopted by solely the unionist population more so than the nationalists who i would imagine would describe themselves as 'purely Irish'? I am not trying to get a rise out of anyone here, merely genuinely interested.
How has this gone on for seven pages?!
Are you for real also? Ask the average unionist politician and they won't be emphasisng the 'I'-word! Need to come out of whatever Indo-like bubble yer inhabiting.....
They are born on the island of Ireland therefore they are as Irish as anyone, regardless of your 'definition' of Irishness.
However, to NB. Interesting piece;which is as much about interpetation as facts.
Accepting that alone, If you want to be considered 'Irish', the unionists have to lose some of their many British symbols and whilst you may be willing to do this, suspect the majority don't or won't. And moderating your tone about flags and anthems if you want to be taken seriously as being 'Irish'. Which ultimately won't happen.
So it's not a question of 'backwoods', but plenty of engrained views on both sides.....
Totally deserved? You went into the game needing to either a) score at least two goals or b) win the lottery of a shoot-out. You couldn't manage the first- and Gallas's goal didn't actually add to the target, 2-1 would have been as good as 2-0- and no-one knows what would have happened during penalties. So get a sense of perspective, eh?
When you stop stirring it- over and over again on this thread alone- I'll gracefully dismount and stop pontificating (not that I'd started, but I realise you may be a bit tired and emotional). See you at the Euro 2012 draw for more analysis.
Amazing. Plenty of competition on the thread, but that takes the prize for sectarian halfwitted comment of the day.
There are a lot of stirrers and wind-ups about...
Last edited by Gather round; 22/11/2009 at 5:17 PM.
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