Irish Sunderland fan here. Debate very interesting [Archive] - Page 6

NY Hoop

03/05/2007, 2:40 PM

By that logic the famous Wexford fan who goes to every Shelbourne game is not a real fan and never will be. It's a flawed logic.

I spend an awful lot of time in Tallaght and for the last few years I planned on buying a Rovers season ticket when the stadium gets finished. It still might happen but you make me have doubts. I will probably live in Tallaght in the long run as that's where my girlfriend of the last 4 years is from. Am I not allowed to support your club?

Wrong. My point is that he's not english so why support an english club? I couldnt care less where in Ireland you're from if you support Rovers. Even from limerick:D

You're more than welcome to support us when we get into Tallaght.

BTW see the star today for news that should blow the Thomas Bigots theory on the pitch out of the water.

KOH

passinginterest

03/05/2007, 2:43 PM

Wrong. My point is that he's not english so why support an english club? I couldnt care less where in Ireland you're from if you support Rovers. Even from limerick:D

You're more than welcome to support us when we get into Tallaght.

BTW see the star today for news that should blow the Thomas Bigots theory on the pitch out of the water.

KOH

You said he's not from Nottingham in the original post. Where do you draw the line? I just think taking such an idealistic viewpoint is likely to drive people away rather than attract more badly needed support.

paul_oshea

03/05/2007, 2:47 PM

he doesnt passinginterest, he never debates with the point in hand. just circles round it.

The Dublin Red

03/05/2007, 2:48 PM

Erstwhile B�z

03/05/2007, 2:52 PM

Some good points made there by the real fans. Because of the idiot paddies who ignore their own league going over in their droves like sheep the prices have gone up and real fans there cant get tickets.

Bottom line you're not from nottingham so you can never have any identity with them. It's got nothing to do with narrow mindedness, bigotry or who is the better Irishman.

KOH
But if people in Meath or Lucan or wherever support Bohs and the Bohs family includes them and they can share the Bohs "identity", and people from the Northside or outside Dublin support Rovers and the Rovers family includes them and they can share the Rovers "identity", is it not the stark reality that since the '70s English clubs' "identities", shared by all their fans, include international fan clubs?

Rovers isn't an Irishtown/Ringsend club for working-class Irishtown/Ringsend people any more. When it was founded the idea of the club one day fighting tooth and nail for a support base in the then sleepy country village of Tallaght would have been preposterous. Things change. Over the course of your history lots of other types of supporters have become part of what Rovers is. I'm sure there's one or two supporters who still live in their grandads' houses on Shamrock Avenue who think that they're the only ones who can rightfully call themselves supporters but the simple fact is that it's not their club any more.

Part of what you support, as a Rovers man, includes some hypothetical gloryhunting gobsheen in deepest, darkest Longford whose brudder had digs out near Milltown and saw you win all round you in the '80s and wrote letters home about it that the parish priest would read out for the family, the mammy subsequently knitting him a "Newtown Forbes Hoops" scarf. That's part of your identity.

Liverpool is no longer solely for the people of Anfield, United no longer a club for Salford. There is a well established foreign element to their identity, just as there is a well established identity in Ireland that consists of meeting your mates and arguing about English football and probably going over to the matches once in a while.

Just as there is an established identity in singing cringeworthy rip-offs of English fans' songs at Irish football matches and aping their hooligan escapades. Where do these wonderful, pure, native Irish, real football fans get these tunes from, I wonder?

BohsPartisan

03/05/2007, 2:52 PM

Bottom line is you're narrow minded and have more in common with the GAA taliban than you think. I'm a Dublin GAA supporter do I look down my nose at you for supporting foreign games. No off course I don't I respect your views.

We've already pointed out that association football has been on this island longer than the Gaelic code, but its not about foreign sports or national sports its about supporting something you have a genuine connection with, something that you have the ability to pe part of week in week out. I follow Everton as my second club but I can't go their every week so you don't become part of it. To paraphrase Billy, I follow Everton but I am part of Bohs. Thats where the difference lies. As you said you support the Dublin GAA team. Why not support Kerry, Armagh or Meath?

jebus

03/05/2007, 2:53 PM

Some good points made there by the real fans. Because of the idiot paddies who ignore their own league going over in their droves like sheep the prices have gone up and real fans there cant get tickets.

Did you just say there was some good points made on ********** :eek: :eek: Now I know you're a bit of a fool and all Hoop, but jesus christ

osarusan

03/05/2007, 2:59 PM

To paraphrase Billy, I follow Everton but I am part of Bohs. Thats where the difference lies.

But thats only the difference lies for you. That encapsulates how you see the difference in your support for Bohs and Everton.

NY Hoop is saying, that by virtue of his not being from Nottingham, it is impossible for DublinRed to feel the same affinity as he would with a side he sees week in and out.

There is no way that NY Hoop, or you, can make that statement for him.

NY Hoop

03/05/2007, 3:25 PM

Did you just say there was some good points made on ********** :eek: :eek: Now I know you're a bit of a fool and all Hoop, but jesus christ

Jesus man I didnt mean ********** I meant the original link to football365.com.

Forest fan if you think it's just "a few fools on the internet" who think like that good luck. Cant help what you think but you're wrong.

Erstwhile Irish clubs should be supported not ignored by Irish people but thanks for the history and geography lesson.

Passinginterest do you honestly think that because of what I or others think will drive people away from the league?

KOH

The Dublin Red

03/05/2007, 3:30 PM

We've already pointed out that association football has been on this island longer than the Gaelic code, but its not about foreign sports or national sports its about supporting something you have a genuine connection with, something that you have the ability to pe part of week in week out. I follow Everton as my second club but I can't go their every week so you don't become part of it. To paraphrase Billy, I follow Everton but I am part of Bohs. Thats where the difference lies. As you said you support the Dublin GAA team. Why not support Kerry, Armagh or Meath?

I accept that point but what you'll get back is that Gaelic Games are the only true national sports and that they are the premier games.

I take your point on Dublin GAA but again for me its a different sport and that because the Ga is exclusive to Ireland and still "amateur" people will stick to their counties anyway.

I respect that you are more a Bohs supporter and feel part of it but in all honesty that what I feel for Forest as to a large extent I've lost my LOI affinity.

The Dublin Red

03/05/2007, 3:33 PM

Jesus man I didnt mean ********** I meant the original link to football365.com.

Forest fan if you think it's just "a few fools on the internet" who think like that good luck. Cant help what you think but you're wrong.

Erstwhile Irish clubs should be supported not ignored by Irish people but thanks for the history and geography lesson.

Passinginterest do you honestly think that because of what I or others think will drive people away from the league?

KOH

Well forgive me for suggesting that I have a bit of knowledge on this subject as I travel over at least once a month. I've never experienced whats being described.

I see you ignored the rest of the post;)

You say that Irish clubs should be supported but again its down to personal choice and your views do little to promote the league

NY Hoop

03/05/2007, 3:37 PM

Well forgive me for suggesting that I have a bit of knowledge on this subject as I travel over at least once a month. I've never experienced whats being described.

I see you ignored the rest of the post;)

You say that Irish clubs should be supported but again its down to personal choice and your views do little to promote the league

So you've talked to the real utd, chelsea, liverpool fans over there have you?

I ignored the rest of your post cos it was drivel.

Again what people say on an internet site should not sway people one way or the other from going to EL games.

KOH

passinginterest

03/05/2007, 3:41 PM

Passinginterest do you honestly think that because of what I or others think will drive people away from the league?

KOH

It may be only a very small effect but possibly yes. People who read a message board like this in an effort to find out more about supporting the League of Ireland could be put off.

In fairness to you I admire your passion and commitment to your club and maybe your more extreme opinions aren't going to have any effect on people attending the league. I just get the feeling that encouraging those who grew up 'supporting' English clubs to give the Eircom League a shot would be more effective than dismissing them. :ball:

The Dublin Red

03/05/2007, 3:44 PM

So you've talked to the real utd, chelsea, liverpool fans over there have you?

I ignored the rest of your post cos it was drivel.

Again what people say on an internet site should not sway people one way or the other from going to EL games.

KOH

So the supporters of three of the biggest clubs in the World are representative of 92 English Football League Clubs:rolleyes:

And you who detests the fact the English football is so popular have spoken to supporters of how many clubs?

Your patronising and narrow minded views do nothing to sway the neutrals, in fact it would keep people away.

NY Hoop

03/05/2007, 3:51 PM

So the supporters of three of the biggest clubs in the World are representative of 92 English Football League Clubs:rolleyes:

And you who detests the fact the English football is so popular have spoken to supporters of how many clubs?

Your patronising and narrow minded views do nothing to sway the neutrals, in fact it would keep people away.

Oh dear. This is the reason I ignore you people. Truly clueless. Those 3 biggest clubs have the most Irish fans ffs. Do I have to spell everything out?

I dont detest the way english football is so popular. I just feel sorry for the stupid paddies who "support" it.

Read the last line of my last post:rolleyes:

KOH

The Dublin Red

03/05/2007, 3:58 PM

Oh dear. This is the reason I ignore you people. Truly clueless. Those 3 biggest clubs have the most Irish fans ffs. Do I have to spell everything out?

I dont detest the way english football is so popular. I just feel sorry for the stupid paddies who "support" it.

Read the last line of my last post:rolleyes:

KOH

Yeah good man keeps up the insults, it really does progress your argument:rolleyes:

I really couldn't care less what you think, they may be the three biggest but your statement was a blanket for all supporters of English clubs.

NY Hoop

03/05/2007, 4:05 PM

Yeah good man keeps up the insults, it really does progress your argument:rolleyes:

I really couldn't care less what you think, they may be the three biggest but your statement was a blanket for all supporters of English clubs.

Christ on a balloon. You should be under a blanket.

The majority of Irish people that "support" english football "support" one of the clubs already mentioned. In the link the real fans were complaining that ticket prices have gone up and that tickets are in short supply because of the paddies coming over. Now do you honestly think that he is referring to any club outside the ones already mentioned ffs?

Think McFly think.

KOH

reder

03/05/2007, 7:24 PM

Wrong. My point is that he's not english so why support an english club?
KOH

2 points. 1 query and 1 massive post on irish PL supporters.

Firstly in response to the post above, where does that leave a guy like me? Im english born, can I support and EL club? As i said before I went to an EL game recently and enjoyed it very much and plan on attending more in the future.

Secondly, irish PL supporters are insane! FACT. As ppl here might know, I am Liverpool born and bred. Last tuesday night we qualified for the CL final again. Every travel agent the length and breadth of country has "SOLD OUT" packages for €2,800 (average) for 2 night trips. You cant actually get on a waiting list for a package. I will get a ticket for the game through the club as a result of loyalty but wont be going as travel to athens from Ireland seems to be almost impossible (bar flying via estonia). I also have a season ticket renewal at the end of the season.

Note : I would never use a travel agent ever!!!

A heck of alot of people were actually phoning travel agents on wed morning in the airport booking their place. I suggested they save their cash and go down to fulham on saturday and support the team but they looked at me like I was mad. One guy actually turned away and laughed.

I probably wont be in athens however I will be at craven cottage on saturday (game is actually on fancard sale so they have no ticket excuses) and charlton home the sunday after. I wonder which games they will be missing.

P.S.---------------------------
Sorry I am a bit annoyed at the moment with the whole thing.

Erstwhile B�z

03/05/2007, 9:35 PM

Nobody's saying that the way it is is how it ought to be in a perfect world, reder. In a perfect world the Team of the Macs, Billy Liddell, King Kenny and the rest of the non-English FA Cup team from 1986 would have all been from L4 and we'd never have heard of you because McMurrow wouldn't have got ye over in the first place.

I do genuinely feel for the Liverpool fans who have been squeezed out due to various factors over the last twenty years or so and have had the match-going experience robbed from them. Daytripping is only a symptom of the other diseases that are actually killing English football, and be sure of it.

My infrequent Drums-going uncles, for example, were also Liverpool-mad in the '60s and '70s but there was none of the packaging and commercialization of English football (or money in Dublin) that there is today and the phenomenon of daytripping just wasn't on the agenda. I'm sure all the United fans created when poor Liam Whelan died in Munich and stoked up by the predatory North-South scouting network were in the same boat. The papers and the radio and the odd cup final on telly was all they could manage. I'd like someone to explain to them that any kind of sharing they felt in Shankly's Liverpool was imagined and that they were up their own holes.

One of Shankly's more famous quotes is from before a match at Anfield and a Liverpool fan comes up to him and talks to him. Shankly says, �Where are you from, laddie?� �I'm from London,� says the kid. Shankly goes, �Well, son; what's it like to be in heaven?�

What a wonderful story it would be if he had said, �Well, son; shag off back down south and leave a ticket for a real fan, you gloryhunting little scumbag. You disgust me. You are deluding yourself and destroying football.�

On the more general point, I do think that if you gave most Irish people the choice, they'd prefer things to be how they were in the heyday of Irish soccer with big crowds and a vibrant league, but they can't be bothered getting up off their hole and making the effort to change it around when they can just laugh at the FAI. Just as most people would love to have Irish, to the point of lying through their teeth on the Census, but unfortunately not to the point of gettin up off their hole to do anything about it when they can just blame the way it's taught.

It doesn't make them nasty people or horrible people or idiots or vermin. They're just carrying on as they � we all � were brought up. Slagging them for not �seeing the light� as all of us chosen ones have is very crass.

Billy Lord

03/05/2007, 10:54 PM

Dublin Red: when I called your choice rubbish, it was purely in the context of consumerism. It is merely stating a fact that, if your support of Forest is based solely on choice, it makes little sense to go on making that same choice if there is better football on offer elsewhere. Ergo, it's a rubbish choice.
It is admirable that you continue to support the club when it has seen better days, but I would contend that it's not choice but loyalty that keeps you a Forest fan. Would a consumer change their choice if a product they bought regularly showed a decline in quality? But that thought wouldn't enter your head because your loyalty prohibits you from making a rational choice. Any fan worth their salt will keep supporting their club regardless of how badly things are going.
As for someone else (can't remember who) claiming that Forest are better than any club here, I would disagree. The top four LoI clubs would be better. Just my opinion, mind.

TheOwl

03/05/2007, 11:25 PM

Yeah good man keeps up the insults, it really does progress your argument:rolleyes:

I really couldn't care less what you think, they may be the three biggest but your statement was a blanket for all supporters of English clubs.

Hi Dublin Red,

If possible try and distance most Eircom League fans from the attitudes of NY Hoop, you are giving his opinions far more attention than they deserve. As an Eircom League fan myself I find his arrogant tone pathetic and embarrassing.

Billy Lord

04/05/2007, 6:56 AM

Every club in England has its little Englander types who hate the Irish and that should be far more off-putting for your average Paddy than anything posted here.

Erstwhile B�z

04/05/2007, 9:06 AM

If we stopped following teams because of a distasteful element in their support we'd all be ****ed. UCD's attendances would go through the roof, though.

BohsPartisan

04/05/2007, 9:11 AM

And then it would fall as the distastefull element would start supporting them and so on and so forth...

reder

04/05/2007, 9:19 AM

Every club in England has its little Englander types who hate the Irish and that should be far more off-putting for your average Paddy than anything posted here.

I actually condsider "The Dublin Red" to be a good fan. He could easily has decided the move away from Forest after their fall from grace but he has stuck with his team through thick and thin. I despise forest but fair play him.

I really dont think that the comments posted on this forum regarding the PL is going to draw any PL fan towards the PL.

dcfcsteve

04/05/2007, 6:28 PM

The England V Ireland point is ridiculous. I support Ireland but I don't hate England for that matter.

But why do you support Ireland ? Did yer mammy buy you a green bag when you were seven ? :confused:

And how is it ridiculous to support a domestic English team over Irish ones, but not the English team (international) over the Irish one....?

CollegeTillIDie

04/05/2007, 10:51 PM

It's taken me a few days to get through all the posts on this thread.
The general thing I see coming through all of it is this... there are several strands of interest in football. From my own experience of meeting people in different walks of life and in different countries , you have the following

1) Real Fans, these support their local team . In Ireland they support their nearest ELOI team. In England they support their local team rather than be glory hunting fans of Chelsea, Arsenal etc, who by rights should not have any support in Yorkshire or the North East

2) Glory Hunting Bandwaggoners (Domestic).
These are Scottish in Aberdeen who support the Old Firm. And the Scottish fans have the same disdain for that kind of fan as we do. In England the Londoners who support Man United ,and in Ireland people from West of the Bann who support Linfield for example.

3) Glory Hunting Bandwaggoners (Overseas)
This is the group such as our Sunderland fans over here, fans of the big Premiership clubs , who go cross channel etc.
These are the people who spend a lot of money going to watch football in England or Scotland but most of whom would not cross the road to watch a game here.

4) Barstoolers
Idiots who think supporting a team involves buying a replica shirt a SKY SPORTS Subscription and or going down the pub to watch ALL YOUR games. The phenomenon we experience here of fans no longer attending matches and whole generations going to watch games in bars or only on TV in their homes is no longer a purely Irish experience. The Premiership saturation TV coverage is spreading like a Computer Virus across Europe, aided by it's allies the Primera Liga, Serie A and the Bundesliga , and this is evidenced by falling attendances at domestic League games especially in Central and Eastern Europe.

Now 1) and 3) are potential customers for the ELOI. Although category 3 may in part, by going cross channel , be trying to escape the wife/partner the kids and or the dog.
Category 2) might already be , but won't support Kildare County if they are from Newbridge, you may find them at Dalymount or Richmond instead.

4) are a lost cause and you will never attract them to a game . Even if ELOI clubs started winning UEFA Cups they still wouldn't go.

Someone mentioned marketing the strengths of the ELOI and that's a fair point . Here's one, I can meet supporters whom I know of any of the other 21 League clubs in this country , and we don't need a brigade of riot police to keep us apart. End of really.

People have spoken to here about clubs with the following initials L.F.C, M.U.F.C. and D.C.F.C.
Being Irish I am more interested in Limerick( 37) F.C. than Liverpool
I am more interested in Monaghan United than Manchester United.
And Derry City mean more to me than Derby County.

The pathetic thing about this sceptered little isle on which we live , is that I am in a tiny minority in this .

Billy Lord

05/05/2007, 1:22 AM

dfx-

05/05/2007, 3:59 AM

Hi Dublin Red,

If possible try and distance most Eircom League fans from the attitudes of NY Hoop, you are giving his opinions far more attention than they deserve. As an Eircom League fan myself I find his arrogant tone pathetic and embarrassing.

Seconded. Nothing you do or say will stop him posting like that, so please don't waste your time on replying. Reply to people who you can have a debate with.

CollegeTillIDie

05/05/2007, 7:47 AM

Bored to tears with this, but I'll plough on as I've nothing better to do. The Ireland thing is relevant: why would any Irish person support Ireland when there are better international teams to choose from? If it's about choice, why choose Ireland?
Having said that, I fervently support Italy in international football, and have done since 1970. So that makes me a domestic football fan with an international barstool mentality. There's a dichotomy!
I still support Ireland by proxy, but gave up on going to games a year or so ago (after 35 years' service) because I felt it was a waste of time. And I hate the fans. The green wigs and Ole Ole chants make me want to puke, and I hate the bell-ringer on the South Terrace with a vengeance. It's like being at a GAA match.
Football is best when it has an edge.

Billy Lord

I like you have been a fan of Italy since 1970. I was delighted they won the World Cup last year as I was back in 1982.
I would cheer for Italy against almost anyone other than Ireland. That's the difference. Most ELOI fans I know who also support EPL teams would always prefer Bohs to Man City if they played each other for example. And I know some Rovers/ Man Ure fans who would cheer for the Hoops against United , and the people I have in mind were thrilled when the Hoops beat them in a friendly in Milltown in the mid 1980's. Oh by the way. Even beating United in a Friendly didn't seem to register on the radar of barstoolers at the time.

'' United only played their reserve team ,'' was the answer anybody got when this point was raised.

Dalymountrower

06/05/2007, 7:52 PM

[QUOTE=CollegeTillIDie;679833]Billy Lord

I like you have been a fan of Italy since 1970. I was delighted they won the World Cup last year as I was back in 1982.
I would cheer for Italy against almost anyone other than Ireland. That's the difference. Most ELOI fans I know who also support EPL teams would always prefer Bohs to Man City if they played each other for example. And I know some Rovers/ Man Ure fans who would cheer for the Hoops against United , and the people I have in mind were thrilled when the Hoops beat them in a friendly in Milltown in the mid 1980's. Oh by the way. Even beating United in a Friendly didn't seem to register on the radar of barstoolers at the time.

QUOTE]

You`re either bitten by the League of Ireland bug or you`re not. I realised I was smitten when I ,as a Bohs and Man U fan, found myself cheering John Cervi`s penalty for Shels to equalise against United in a friendly in 1973? (You``ll remember Billy L. ) Yes there are lots of things to be embarrassed about in the Eircom League and barstoolers can take their pick of those to justify to themselves why they wont support their local team.Their loss, for all the admitted dross I have stood and sat looking at in Irish grounds over the years , what lives in the memory are the moments of sublime skill, the unity of purpose and passion of a local crowd and the sense of belonging to and being part of more than simply a sporting fixture. This is something that the barstoolers and bandwaggoners will never experience. Have some pity for them

CollegeTillIDie

06/05/2007, 8:26 PM

so how many people on here follow an english/scottish/japenese team too??i do im not ashamed to admit that

Well I like a lot football in other countries and have 1 team in many of them.
Not least of which would be Red Star Belgrade. But last year in Turner's Cross I wanted Cork City to win even though I knew it was probably unlikely that City would go through.

R�iteoir

06/05/2007, 9:49 PM

I also follow the Norwegian club Valerenga (purely based on going to Oslo every summer since 1999)

I look out for their scores and would watch any games of theirs on the net - but Bohs is the main club for me

and like CollegeTID - I like watching foorball in other countries as well (always try to catch a game live wherever I wind up on holiday - the last game I went to in Europe was a match in something like the Dutch 7th Division in a town I was staying in)

Billy Lord

06/05/2007, 10:53 PM

If you're into football you'd more than likely to a) support a club near you for local perspective and a regular fix, b) have favourites in other leagues, and c) appreciate football at all levels and throughout the world.
In Ireland we have the strange circumstance where people pour scorn or ignore the local gane and consider it esential to support a British club and be ignorant of the game beyond England.
For me, it's Rovers first then Roma, Manchester United, Hammarby, Boca Juniors, Cardiff City, St Johnstone and other clubs across Europe. But it's Rovers first, second and third. Every other club is a trip away; a holiday. Rovers is my life and the other clubs are a mere indugence.

gilberto_eire

06/05/2007, 11:29 PM

so how many people on here follow an english/scottish/japenese team too??i do im not ashamed to admit that

i follow man utd too..... started supporting them when i was 3-4 cause my father supported them all his life..... but if united are playing and GUFC are playing theres no Q where i will be!!.
have been to every game this year and dont intend that to change!

Rocky

07/05/2007, 4:09 PM

Your not the only one Seagull I get that **** all the time. When I go into the local though I am like an ambassador for the club. I'm always asked how was the last game etc by the bar stoolers but i've managed to encourage a few of them to make the trip up the Dyke rd a few times. I always reply to the "Yere ****" comments by telling them they have to come to Terryland before they can pass comment on our soccer ability and only then are they entitled to have an opinion in my mind.

I get that too. A fella from Laois in London laughed quite agressively once when i said i supported Sligo Rovers. He was a Man Utd fan. I've been to few places but i've never seen so many people follow foreign football like in Ireland. It's actually embarrasing.

Rocky

07/05/2007, 4:11 PM

I get that too. A fella from Laois in London laughed quite agressively once when i said i supported Sligo Rovers. He was a Man Utd fan. I've been to few places but i've never seen so many people follow foreign football like in Ireland. It's actually embarrasing.

Another point. In general, English football fans dislike those who come from somewhere else with no connection to their clubs. The Man U and Liverpool fans in Ireland should maybe remember that. And it will be the same in Sunderland when the novelty wears off.

BohsPartisan

07/05/2007, 6:43 PM

so how many people on here follow an english/scottish/japenese team too??i do im not ashamed to admit that

1. Bohs
2. Everton
3. Nantes :(
4. Barca
5. Torino (but not so much as I don't have a soft spot for Napoli too)

SkStu

07/05/2007, 8:21 PM

1. Bohs
2. Everton
3. Sevilla
4. Toronto FC :D

monkey magic

07/05/2007, 8:59 PM

Longford town, first foremost and always
Arsenal, huge admiration for wenger
Lazio, first game of football i ever watched on the telly
Athletico Madrid, football manager:D
KAA Ghent Lived there for a while - long after bohs played there, would still have wanted bohs to win tho...

jebus

07/05/2007, 9:02 PM

Limerick 37
Sheff Wed
---long drop down---
Inter Milan
Hellas Verona
Hibernian
Sevilla
---long drop down---
Rep. of Ireland :)

GavinZac

07/05/2007, 9:08 PM

Any particular reason for bohs/everton?

SkStu

07/05/2007, 9:40 PM

Any particular reason for bohs/everton?

there's a certain joy in suffering...

for me, no real reason really. I just started supporting Everton in the mid to late 80's (hopped on the bandwagon at the wrong time...). Went to see them 2 or 3 times and then stumbled upon Bohs in the late 90's and they've been number one by miles since then.

dcfcsteve

08/05/2007, 12:35 AM

gretna(amazed by their rise still wanted derry to win)

What is so amazing about Gretna's rise ? :confused:

They've been playing in poor leagues where attendnaces are poor and money is extremely thin on the ground. No real surprise that a team with no support but pumped full of cash by a sugar daddy with no connection to them should be able to rise through medicore ranks so fast.

Would you be equally surprised if a millionaire threw money at Monaghan United and they romped the Eircom First Division ?

They'll be shown up next season. Annoyingly they probably won't get relegated, but their up against a few clubs with some serious money now, so their limitations will be cruelly exposed.

BohsPartisan

08/05/2007, 7:54 AM

there's a certain joy in suffering...

for me, no real reason really. I just started supporting Everton in the mid to late 80's (hopped on the bandwagon at the wrong time...). Went to see them 2 or 3 times and then stumbled upon Bohs in the late 90's and they've been number one by miles since then.

Are you me?

That sounds remarkably similar to my story though I jumped on the Everton Bandwagon in time for the 1984 FA cup final.

NY Hoop

08/05/2007, 11:45 AM

Seconded. Nothing you do or say will stop him posting like that, so please don't waste your time on replying. Reply to people who you can have a debate with.

I can debate while all you can do is whinge about your english club. Irish clubs for Irish people.

KOH

gustavo

08/05/2007, 11:55 AM

I can debate while all you can do is whinge about your english club. Irish clubs for Irish people.
KOH
I couldnt help but think of these guys with that statement :eek:

What's going on? What all this shouting? We'll have no trouble here! etc etc (http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~djm/misc/edward_tubbs.jpg)

The Dublin Red

08/05/2007, 12:36 PM

how about those of you on here who dont actually try going to a game,even once.im not saying this in an aggresive way,just a suggestion.try one game,near you,big teams if you like.maybe it will hook you and youll come back or maybe it wont and youll never set foot in a el ground again.but surely trying it once is no harm????

Went to every home game for years now get to the odd Bray game during the season. I do enjoy it all right but regardless of people's opinions on here still see Forest as my first choice.

I know many supporters of English clubs also support the LOI and go to games.