Wes Hoolahan (M Cambridge Utd b.1982)

[mark12345]

I think Irish fans are looking at Hoolahan all wrong. He is not an alternative to the likes of Andrews, Whelan, Fahey, etc. because you can't play him in a 4-man midfield. We should actually be looking as taking him as a second striker, which is the kind of position he seems to excel in for Norwich.

Works for me. He's a fine footballer and one we cannot afford to leave home.

[tetsujin1979]

subbed off for Pilkington

[tricky_colour]

Some stats here I was looking at.
http://www.whoscored.com/Players/19541

Come out as Norwich's second best player and Ireland 2nd or 3rd

That's before his goal and an assist? today.



Lies, dammed lies, and statistics :)

[DannyInvincible]

Works for me. He's a fine footballer and one we cannot afford to leave home.

I think that's a bit over-the-top. You give the impression he's an indispensable member of our squad. He has one senior cap from four years ago, and we've been able to afford his non-selection since,qualifying for the Euros in the process. Not necessarily saying he's not worthy of serious consideration, but the management have been keeping an eye on him and have expressly mentioned the possibility of another call-up during the next campaign. Obviously they don't feel he'd fit into the current system.

[tricky_colour]

He has the best pass success rate of Irish players, Duff is second.

[mark12345]

Obviously they don't feel he'd fit into the current system.

That good old 'system' again. I keep hearing about the system. Not knocking Trap's achievements because he did get us to the Euros but let's not get carried away with this wonderful system. The first time we played a team of note, Russia, we were ate, beat and S***. The system didn't exist on those occassions.

Speaking clearly about Hoolahan and we need to be honest, but he's more capable than any of our midfielders, You can look it whatever way you want but none of Whelan, Andrews or Gibson could have done what he's done for Norwich this year. McCarthy has plenty of potential but even he is a bit behind Hoolahan's achievements this season. It's a moot point however because Trap will not break with tradition and bring him to Poland. But if we are found wanting in the middle of the park, remember the option to bring him was there.

[tricky_colour]

He also has the highest number of assists, 7 tied with Kevin Doyle, they are also tied on goals scored 4 ad yellow cards 4.
Actually I think Wes has 5 goals now, and 8 assists as I think his last match is not included.

[AlaskaFox]

Andrews could have easily fit the Hoolahan role at Norwich. He was banging them in left, right, and centre for Ipswich. And he's been impressive for WBA when given a chance.

[mark12345]

Andrews could have easily fit the Hoolahan role at Norwich. .

I will very respectfully disagree with you sir.

[Stevo Da Gull]

Hoolahan is class, I'm shocked it took him this long to get the premier. Even if Trap doesn't want to start him, how he wouldn't be handy to have on the bench is beyond me.

[Olé Olé]

I've been really impressed by Hoolahan and the step up he's made to premiership level but not bringing him to the Euro's or playing him in the qualifiers is hardly an injustice. It's Trap's system that creates our competitive advantage against teams that may be able to call on a higher calibre of player. Were Trap to pick the form 11 for the Euro's and play Hoolahan off Robbie up front, or in the middle of the park beside James McCarthy or Gibson then he'd be up against players like Iniesta, Pirlo and Xavi. Realistically, Hoolahan isn't at the same level as these players. Sticking to our current, tried and tested set-up and using our core rigidities are Trap's methods, and qualification to the Euro's stands to justify those methods.

I wouldn't be critical of Trap leaving someone like Hoolahan out. The only alterations I'd like to see wouldn't be from a tactical perspective, but from a personnel perspective. I think Trap could keep the same shape but ensure that McClean is in the squad, and maybe consider Gibson or McCarthy in the middle of the park. Maybe also have a look at Walters up front, and perhaps Dunne and O'Shea at centre-half.

[Murfinator]

Hoolahan is class, I'm shocked it took him this long to get the premier. Even if Trap doesn't want to start him, how he wouldn't be handy to have on the bench is beyond me.

Well its certainly beyond me how having someone who doesn't fit into a 4-4-2 is of any benefit on the bench. Trap has a system, Hoolahan doesn't fit into it, it really doesn't matter what his form is like.

[Stuttgart88]

I'd like to think "the system" could be adapted to some extent. By all means keep Whelan sitting deep and Andrews as the destructive-yet-mobile midfielder, but there could still be room for a talented player who can muck in when necessary but also carry the ball well or pass to the wide and forward players. By retaining possession better the system could even be enhanced. Will we really be playing 2 up front against Spain? In reality we'll be playing 6 in midfield for most of that game (all 3 games probably).

I haven't seen any of the Arsenal game yet but the radio commentray seemed to mention Hoolahan a lot. I think both Wigan and Norwich have shown that sitting deep but also being aggressive on the counter can reap rewards against possession dominating teams. I know we tend to get goals when they matter but I think our counter-attacking play is poor, possission breaking down too easily.

[Charlie Darwin]

Wigan and Norwich are both also sides that are very comfortable in possession of the football and can dominate the ball themselves.

[Stevo Da Gull]

Well its certainly beyond me how having someone who doesn't fit into a 4-4-2 is of any benefit on the bench. Trap has a system, Hoolahan doesn't fit into it, it really doesn't matter what his form is like.

Well it's irrelevant now, but do you not think if we were a couple of goals down and running out of time in a game that we had to get a result out of to stay in the competition that even Trap would give players a bit more freedom to attack.. or possibly even change his formation?

[DannyInvincible]

His faith in the system (and the players employed within it that he has come to trust) is possibly "stubborn" enough to believe it will never come to that. It appears to be a risk he's willing to take and I suppose only time till provide the answer.

Besides, when it really came down to absolutely needing to score, the team he sent out in Paris was able to go on the front-foot and do so. Similarly, when we found ourselves 3-0 down at home to Russia, we nearly staged an impressive comeback. As it happened, it was too little, too late, but had we a few minutes longer in that game, we might well have managed an equaliser.

[Stuttgart88]

Had we taken our gilt edged chances in that game we wouldn't have needed an equaliser.

[A face]

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[Stuttgart88]

What does he say?

[elroy]

Not doubting that Hoolahan has had a good season. But can people answer me this, why does Lambert choose to generally leave him out of the starting XI when they play away from home??

That is telling. Especially as Norwich tactics away from home (i.e. dont lose) is probably the mindset in which Trap has and will continue to instil in his players.

[tetsujin1979]

Not doubting that Hoolahan has had a good season. But can people answer me this, why does Lambert choose to generally leave him out of the starting XI when they play away from home??
actually he's started the same number of games home and away, 14 each

[Junior]

Its 5 minutes of traps broken English - You'd need to watch it really

Summary,

We've watched (inferrring continue to watch) Hoolahan. Hes a good player.
Hes - 28, implying he's not a youngster breaking through.
It was too late to change the system. We have McCarthy, Maybe Ireland
The system is our strength. Strong wingers, strong centre.
He doesnt think (or is not sure) we can play with one up front. Or cannot justify changing the two strikers in the 4-4-2.
No friendlies to try him/change of system out.


Im not sure whether that means he will try him out for WC14 campaign/friendlies or not really but he and Tardelli it would appear have discussed it on many occasions.

Anyone else want to add what I missed - I wouldnt like to be a journa summarising that!!!

[A face]

Anyone else want to add what I missed - I wouldnt like to be a journa summarising that!!!


Thats about the size of it .... boring, defensive system, its all he knows, thats our lot

[OwlsFan]

I wonder was Wes ever in contention? A good game against Arsenal by the looks of things. It would have meant a change of system to accommodate him so I suspect he wasn't but it does seem such a shame that an obviously gifted player wasn't even considered. However, with Trap the system is all and since it has got us this far, who am I to complain?

[elroy]

actually he's started the same number of games home and away, 14 each



Fair enough, didnt do my research beforehand. To me, had noticed he been omitted from the starting 11 more times away from home than the other way round. Although Lambert does like to change his XI, for example, holt and morrison and regularly changed round.

[DannyInvincible]

We've watched (inferrring continue to watch) Hoolahan. Hes a good player.
Hes - 28, implying he's not a youngster breaking through.

He actually says Holenan is a great player who is 28, 29 and 30 all at once. :P

[LFCSixty/Eighty]

Oh...and he mentions Stephen Ireland 3 times. Why he feels the need to do this is beyond me.

Its actually quite embarrassing/frustrating to watch him...I would prefer to cut of my ears than to have to sit in on one of these press conferences.

You would get more insight into football listening to George Hook talk about the game.

[Murfinator]

What exactly is the point of this thread? I don't see how Trap said anything there we didn't know already.

[Murfinator]

Well it's irrelevant now, but do you not think if we were a couple of goals down and running out of time in a game that we had to get a result out of to stay in the competition that even Trap would give players a bit more freedom to attack.. or possibly even change his formation?

Personally I think that'd be a really bad time to bring on a creative pass master like Hoolahan. If you're behind and the opposition are backs against the wall defending, the channels are closed and breaking them down is nigh on impossible. In that situation the best route to goal is through set pieces and physicality through a target man in a crowded box. Best bench impact trio we could probably have are Harte, Delap and Walters. Not pretty but using free kicks, throw ins and aerial prowess as a weapon is exactly what you need in that situation.
I'm personally a big fan of the type of player Wes, Andy Reid and Stephen Ireland are but I don't think we could accommodate them in a 4-5-1 because we don't really have a suitable lone striker, it would also mean dropping Keane. The best compromise is 4-4-2 with Keane dropping deep.

[Charlie Darwin]

Rory Delap hasn't been a set piece weapon for a couple of years now. I think the last goal Stoke scored from it was like a year and a half ago.

[DannyInvincible]

Shouldn't it be merged into the already-existing Hoolahan thread?

[the bear]

I don't think we could accommodate them in a 4-5-1 because we don't really have a suitable lone striker, it would also mean dropping Keane. The best compromise is 4-4-2 with Keane dropping deep.

Walters, Long or Doyle are all very suited to the lone front role. its the dropping Keane thing thats the issue

[geysir]

The point is, A face attention seeking.
Doesn't have the same effect if you follow procedure and actually post a Hoolahan related topic in the Hoolahan thread.

[tricky_colour]

The good thing for Trap is that as no one can understand him it is impossible to question his decisions (and get a comprehensible answer).
(He is actually fluent in English ;) )

[Fixer82]

Where is Keith Treacy these days? was very impressed with him in the friendlies

[Charlie Darwin]

Shunted out on loan to Sheffield Wednesday, scored and set up a goal in the game that clinched promotion for them. He has all the talent to be a Premier League player but he seems to be a bit of a problem character.

[Stuttgart88]

I always thought of Treacy as being a bit head-down, drive along the touchline and whip in a good ball. He's strong and has a great delivery but maybe lacks a trick or two. Still that's what they say about McClean and Kevin Kilbane made a career out of it.

Kevin Kilbane and his bag of trick, as the old joke went.

[paul_oshea]

Yes, we could be saying the same about james mcclean in 10 years praying he gets dropped from the left back position.

[Murfinator]

Walters, Long or Doyle are all very suited to the lone front role. its the dropping Keane thing thats the issue

I think ultimately to play a 4-5-1 (and in turn drop Keane) we'd need more of a goal contribution from midfield. A good 4-5-1 system can be flexible to attack in a 4-3-3 shape. McGeady and Duff are far more the provider kind of wide player than a wing forward. If we had the likes of Robben with a serious goal threat we could look at it.

[Junior]

I think ultimately to play a 4-5-1 (and in turn drop Keane) we'd need more of a goal contribution from midfield. A good 4-5-1 system can be flexible to attack in a 4-3-3 shape. McGeady and Duff are far more the provider kind of wide player than a wing forward. If we had the likes of Robben with a serious goal threat we could look at it.

Or McLean perhaps?

[tetsujin1979]

Hoolahan called into squad VS Serbia to replace Gibson: https://twitter.com/FAIreland/statuses/233955594535575552

BREAKING NEWS: Wes Hoolahan has just been called up to replace injured Darron Gibson for next week's game against Serbia #COYBIG (https://twitter.com/search/?q=%23COYBIG&src=hash)

[DannyInvincible]

Should keep a few quiet anyway.

[IsMiseSean]

Should keep a few quiet anyway.

Unless he doesn't get any game time, then the knives will be out in full force.

[Serb]

Unless he doesn't get any game time, then the knives will be out in full force.

He has been called in as a replacement for a player who is a regular in the squad yet gets practically no game time. I wouldn't hold high hopes of seeing him in action for Ireland any time soon.

[DannyInvincible]

An Achilles injury will prevent Hoolahan from joining up with the squad.

[the bear]

He has been called in as a replacement for a player who is a regular in the squad yet gets practically no game time. I wouldn't hold high hopes of seeing him in action for Ireland any time soon.

wouldn't count on that serb, trap has done similar things in the past. glad to see he's in the reckoning at least although i'm not yet as convinced as others on here of his messiah status.

[IsMiseSean]

Interesting to see if he plays for Norwich next Saturday...

[Murfinator]

Interesting to see if he plays for Norwich next Saturday...

Can almost guarantee Gibson will be playing anyway, would be disappointed if wes was at that kind of carry on.

[tricky_colour]

Started today for Norwich, looked quite good on TV played a neat through ball, he was playing up front
in a 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 where he was the first 1. They lost but it was close, Wes was one to 3 players
rated 7 (top rating for Norwich), aslo had a header blocked IIRC and he put in a good cross.

[Yard of Pace]

Singled out for praise by Louise Taylor in the Guardian's "10 Things" feature.