Wes Hoolahan (M Cambridge Utd b.1982)

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

http://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/norwich-city-fc/norwich_city_boss_chris_hughton_expects_no_hangove r_from_wes_hoolahan_transfer_saga_ahead_of_aston_v illa_trip_1_3375257

Hoolahan impressing in training.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Starts today, against Villa ironically.

[Charlie Darwin]

Pilkington still out of favour I see.

[SkStu]

Lovely goal and finish for Wesso. No celebration.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Excellent one-two with Hooper and an excellent run and finish in the box.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Must be said. Hoolahan is playing very, very well. Tidy passer. The ball sticks to his feet.

You wouldn't know that he hasn't played in over a month.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Hoolahan almost scored again. All his own doing. Starts a one-two, gets the ball back and forces Guzan into a good save, sharp reflexes see him first to the rebound but the header is parried wide.

Then Villa only go up and score at the other end.

Don't think Hoolahan has lost the ball once. His ability to find teammates even when they are crowded by the opposition is uncanny. He will be an asset for us.

4-1 to Villa now. Norwich in knots at the back.

[tetsujin1979]

Don't think Hoolahan has lost the ball once. His ability to find teammates even when they are crowded by the opposition is uncanny. He will be an asset for us
Lost it a few times: http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2013/matches/695171/player-stats/28499/1_PASS_01#tabs-wrapper-anchor

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Didn't notice Redmond at all when he was on. Pilkington on at half-time. Still 4-1 Villa and the life has been sucked out of Norwich.

[mark12345]

Didn't notice Redmond at all when he was on. Pilkington on at half-time. Still 4-1 Villa and the life has been sucked out of Norwich.

Way off topic, I know but I was watching Madrid derby instead of Norwich / Villa. Irish flag in Atletico crowd with something about an Irish fan club on it? Would be great if we could get a couple of Irish prospects over to the Vicente Calderon.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Wes completes 90 minutes for the first time this season in the Premier League.

[Charlie Darwin]

Missed most of the match as I was watching the Madrid derby, but they looked good until they started leaking goals and were clearly benefiting from having Hoolahan on the pitch. For the last half hour, they looked a bit lost and Wes was as guilty as anyone of wasting the ball, but the commentator (Alan Smith or Ian Taylor, I can never tell) said the one thing Hughton should take from the match is he has to make more use of Hoolahan as he had made a real difference.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I wouldn't get too excited. Fer is injured, Howson is just coming back from injury and Snodgrass (taken off at half-time) needs a rest and will get it during the International break after pulling out of Scotland's game midweek.

Still, better he has some proper game time behind him with a likely start against Serbia coming in midweek.

[KK77]

Strange how he didn't celebrate the goal on Sunday.

[DeLorean]

Out of respect for Lambert presumably. Strange when any player doesn't celebrate if you ask me, and it's gone out of control. Whatever about not celebrating, it really grates on me when the player makes a ridiculous statement of apology like Shelvey last week (criiiinge) or RVP after his first goal against Arsenal. By statement of apology I mean that thing where they put their hands out to say "look at me, I'm not celebrating"!

[Junior]

Only just watched the MOTD2 last night and Wes certainly was Norwich's most influential player, scoring and coming close on another occasion. Plenty of time on the ball too.

Attitutude was good after being out on the sidelines for so long.

Anyway, I was a bit late to the thread but at least the OneWhoKnocks hardon will have wained a little in the meantime.:D:D

Hope Wes gets some gametime this evening.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/26488530

Hoolahan "meant no disrespect".

It doesn't matter that he was their best player on Sunday. It doesn't matter that he scored. It doesn't matter that he covered more ground than anyone else on the Norwich team. It doesn't matter that he went out of his way to clap the Norwich fans at the beginning and end of the game. It doesn't matter that he did a fist pump, which is technically a celebration. It doesn't matter that he doesn't celebrate extravagantly to begin with.

Some sections of fans will use it to suit their agenda and stir dissent among other fans anyway.

[CraftyToePoke]

A triple substitution yesterday, which didn't include Hoolahan coming on got Hughton a chorus of 'you don't know what you are doing' from the 2000 strong away contingent.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26597805

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Involved in the build up for both goals against Sunderland. Set one up on a plate for the clueless Van Wolfswinkel but he took his goal drought to 22 games. Made way just before the end so he could get an ovation from the home support.

Very influential and hard to see how he hasn't featured more this season but at least he has been given a chance now. I genuinely feared for his immediate future after the "sh!thouse club" controversy.

O'Shea was at sea for the first goal however.

[tricky_colour]

Hopefully this will put an end to him being left out of the team, one of the best rated players (2nd) for Norwich on sky sports

[paul_oshea]

Only problem with all this is Norwich face 4 awful last games and are very likely to be in the bottom four. If they go down Wes will more than likely be playing championship football and not even that regularly....

[Charlie Darwin]

Only problem with all this is Norwich face 4 awful last games and are very likely to be in the bottom four. If they go down Wes will more than likely be playing championship football and not even that regularly....
Wes won't be playing for Norwich next season regardless of what league they're in. Villa and WBA wanted him in the January window. I'd say there's a pretty good chance he will be in the Premier next season, just not with Norwich.

[paul_oshea]

I hope you're right.

[tetsujin1979]

Blogged about the difference in Norwich's results when Hoolahan starts here: http://irish-abroad.appspot.com/

[geysir]

Neil Lennon says he would do everything in his power to keep Wes on.

[mark12345]

Involved in the build up for both goals against Sunderland. Set one up on a plate for the clueless Van Wolfswinkel but he took his goal drought to 22 games. Made way just before the end so he could get an ovation from the home support.

Very influential and hard to see how he hasn't featured more this season but at least he has been given a chance now. I genuinely feared for his immediate future after the "sh!thouse club" controversy.

O'Shea was at sea for the first goal however.

Does that surprise you?
O'Shea could make a living as a fisherman, because he's been at sea for the last several years. And to think we're about to build a defence around him, with Ciaran Clark or Shane Duffy or Alex Pearce.
Do we have any right to think we'll make Euro 2016?

[geysir]

Only problem with all this is Norwich face 4 awful last games and are very likely to be in the bottom four. If they go down Wes will more than likely be playing championship football and not even that regularly....
Sunderland have a worse run in and it's difficult to see the other 2 teams at the bottom doing much.
About 4 more points should do for Norwich. Outside the bottom 3, I'd say Palace are most at threat.

The championship does not loom large for Wes, regardless of what club he's with.

[as_i_say]

One of the few non gargled comments Trap made during his reign: "Hoolahan, we know he is beautiful" . Maybe if he had given him a shaggin chance he'd be playing regularly for a team that wasnt struggling.

[DeLorean]

Ah come on now, as frustrating as Trap's selections were, it's a bit much blaming him for Hoolahan's club situation. I don't think playing regularly for Ireland would have raised his profile all that significantly anyway.

[as_i_say]

Ah come on now, as frustrating as Trap's selections were, it's a bit much blaming him for Hoolahan's club situation. I don't think playing regularly for Ireland would have raised his profile all that significantly anyway.

No I wasn't blaming Trap for his club situation at all. Just saying he should have given him a proper chance if he thought he was such a ride (beautiful)

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Playing for Ireland would have increased his profile, same as every other footballer. Of course there is a chance that he would be playing for a bigger club if he was playing against teams like Italy, France and Bulgaria. They are going to be playing in front of far more club managers and scouts than they would be playing at Ewood Park.

It is a disgrace that Hoolahan and Reid weren't getting in Irish squads when people (no disrespect) like Simon Cox and Andy Keogh were getting regular playing time.

They didn't have to be starting games. They could have been coming on early-to-mid second half of games instead of the bog standard players we were filling out our squads with, but in the Trapattoni regime no importance was placed on strategy during the course of a game; or any kind of alternative plan.

Substitutions were used woefully but I suppose someone will come up with 1 or 2 examples to the contrary as a response.

[Charlie Darwin]

Hoolahan was poorly treated but Cox was just a flat-out better performer than Reid when he was being selected. Keogh never got regular gametime.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Hoolahan was poorly treated but Cox was just a flat-out better performer than Reid when he was being selected. Keogh never got regular gametime.

What?

Reid had the same amount of goals in same amount of appearances - from midfield - and was class when he played for Ireland. Remember the Germany game when he was one of the best players on the park?

[Charlie Darwin]

What?

Reid had the same amount of goals in same amount of appearances - from midfield - and was class when he played for Ireland. Remember the Germany game when he was one of the best players on the park?
I do. Remember when he was overweight and unfit and got let go by poor Sunderland and Blackpool sides? I wanted Reid to play for Ireland as much as anyone post-Mainz, but he never backed up the column inches he got after that, not until the last 12 months.

[tricky_colour]

Blogged about the difference in Norwich's results when Hoolahan starts here: http://irish-abroad.appspot.com/

By my calculation if he started every game they would get 17 more points in the season!!
You could perhaps argue he started the easier games but it's a pretty weak argument.
He has not played Chelsea or man city but he did play Liverpool and Man U and Arsenal and Everton.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

He was playing well for that Sunderland side and he was playing well in The Championship too. I understand what you are saying but Reid has been playing better at club level than any number of players getting in the team ahead of him. Andrews was abysmal at Blackburn and he burned out after a good start at West Brom. Whelan has been in and out of the Stoke team, never reaching any degree of consistency until this season. Miller, Rowlands, Green... the less said the better. Cox and Walters have been mediocre and have managed to rack up an impressive tally of appearances and Cox was 5th or 6th choice striker at West Brom at one point.

It's obvious that Reid hasn't reached his potential but I don't think his weight has that much to with it - he's had injury problems too, which are re-occurring. He didn't get many complaints from club managers or trainers about his fitness levels. And Whelan.... the guy's lack of pace is shameful and he has got caught out because of it loads of times.

[Charlie Darwin]

He was playing well for that Sunderland side and he was playing well in The Championship too. I understand what you are saying but Reid has been playing better at club level than any number of players getting in the team ahead of him. Andrews was abysmal at Blackburn and he burned out after a good start at West Brom. Whelan has been in and out of the Stoke team, never reaching any degree of consistency until this season. Miller, Rowlands, Green... the less said the better. Cox and Walters have been mediocre and have managed to rack up an impressive tally of appearances and Cox was 5th or 6th choice striker at West Brom at one point.

It's obvious that Reid hasn't reached his potential but I don't think his weight has that much to with it - he's had injury problems too, which are re-occurring. He didn't get many complaints from club managers or trainers about his fitness levels. And Whelan.... the guy's lack of pace is shameful and he has got caught out because of it loads of times.
Reid had a couple of good spells for Sunderland and, during the first one at least, he really should have been picked but it didn't last and it wasn't just down to injuries. His current form goes to show just how good he could have been if he had looked after himself better. His athleticism or lack thereof was never a defining feature of his game, but it's beyond question that his weight has limited his effectiveness as a player and basically meant he would never be utilised in a flat 4-4-2 (obviously we can criticise the manager for not varying his tactics).

Miller never did it for Ireland but as far as I remember Trap discarded him pretty quickly too. Rowlands looked very promising when he played, Green did pretty well for Ireland playing in a role he has never played at club level and Andrews had an Indian summer that rightly led to a good few caps for Ireland. Reid could never have fulfilled the roles of any of those players because he's not physically able. If Whelan's lack of pace is shameful then no more needs to be said about Andy Reid - he's even slower again.

[SkStu]

I do. Remember when he was overweight and unfit and got let go by poor Sunderland and Blackpool sides? I wanted Reid to play for Ireland as much as anyone post-Mainz, but he never backed up the column inches he got after that, not until the last 12 months.

I don't think you can assert that Cox was performing better than Reid at that stage with any level of confidence. Reid wasn't in the greatest shape but he also wasn't terrible and Cox was bang average then much as he was throughout his ireland career.

[Charlie Darwin]

I don't think you can assert that Cox was performing better than Reid at that stage with any level of confidence. Reid wasn't in the greatest shape but he also wasn't terrible and Cox was bang average then much as he was throughout his ireland career.
OK, well, first of all, I don't think it's a direct comparison - when Cox was called up to Ireland, he was scoring goals as a striker for West Brom and Reid was a substitute for an awful Blackpool side. He was overweight and was being outplayed by poor Premier League players. I'm not going to defend Trap's ridiculous decision to play him as a winger in a 4-4-2, but it would have been even more ludicrous to play an out of shape Reid there. Reid has really been an international option in the past 9 months, before that he was gash. Cox wasn't much better, but he showed up and whenever he was played in his natural position he scored goals.

[DeLorean]

No I wasn't blaming Trap for his club situation at all.

What does this mean so?

"Maybe if he had given him a shaggin chance he'd be playing regularly for a team that wasnt struggling."

[DeLorean]

Playing for Ireland would have increased his profile, same as every other footballer. Of course there is a chance that he would be playing for a bigger club if he was playing against teams like Italy, France and Bulgaria. They are going to be playing in front of far more club managers and scouts than they would be playing at Ewood Park.

I can't think of one Irish footballer who has got a move to a bigger club on the back of their international performances since Trapattoni took charge? The only player I can think of that's even moved to a bigger club is McCarthy, and that was very much on the back of his Wigan performances under Martinez. That's not to say Hoolahan wasn't badly treated.

[as_i_say]

What does this mean so?

"Maybe if he had given him a shaggin chance he'd be playing regularly for a team that wasnt struggling."

Dunno. I appear to have had a garbled Trap moment myself.:confused2:

[tetsujin1979]

I can't think of one Irish footballer who has got a move to a bigger club on the back of their international performances since Trapattoni took charge? The only player I can think of that's even moved to a bigger club is McCarthy, and that was very much on the back of his Wigan performances under Martinez. That's not to say Hoolahan wasn't badly treated.
McGeady to Spartak?

[DeLorean]

That one occurred to me alright. He moved to a better league but not a bigger club. I doubt his international performances played a significant part anyway, he had been dropped for Liam Lawrence not long before joining.

[Stuttgart88]

I can't think of one Irish footballer who has got a move to a bigger club on the back of their international performances since Trapattoni took charge?
Keith Fahey, duh.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

OK, well, first of all, I don't think it's a direct comparison - when Cox was called up to Ireland, he was scoring goals as a striker for West Brom and Reid was a substitute for an awful Blackpool side. He was overweight and was being outplayed by poor Premier League players. I'm not going to defend Trap's ridiculous decision to play him as a winger in a 4-4-2, but it would have been even more ludicrous to play an out of shape Reid there. Reid has really been an international option in the past 9 months, before that he was gash. Cox wasn't much better, but he showed up and whenever he was played in his natural position he scored goals.

At no stage was Cox scoring or performing at club level when selected for Ireland. Trapattoni kept faith in him when he wasn't even getting into squads. Reid was only at Blackpool for about a month. I don't think Cox has ever had a good competitive game. This is partly attributable to the fact he was played out of position but I don't know how you could say Reid wouldn't be more useful played out of position. Cox is no faster than Reid and at least Reid can control the ball, pass it, cross it, link up and offer a set-piece threat. Cox scored a few goals in friendlies but on the whole, his positioning was very poor. Even Walters is better in that regard. Really strange how he was getting picked ahead of Long (and Doyle) at one stage. I even think Murphy and certainly Stokes would have been of more use but they have about half-a-dozen starts between them.

If only Trapattoni showed a modicum of the faith he showed Walters, Cox and Green in players like Reid and Stokes.

[Stuttgart88]

I don't think anyone will disagree that Reid and Hoolahan were under appreciated by Trap, to say the least. Personally I think it's a damning indictment of Trap's philosophy that neither was ever considered even as a squad candidate for most of his tenure.

The funny thing is that Liam Miller played very well against Nigeria at Craven Cottage and that bought him a few subsequent games/ squad selections. So, even a lightweight natural passer of the ball could find favour with Trap at least for a limited time.

Frankly I think it beggars belief that a manager can overlook Reid and Hoolahan from even at least squad selection for 5-6 years.

However I think it's a red herring to criticise Cox and Walters in the same breath, even if both were picked in positions or roles that the aforementioned could/ should have occupied. Cox and Walters have both done OK when picked in their preferred positions. It's not their fault they were picked in roles that required honest graft rather than instinctive talent. The blame lies in one place only for that.

Edit: I don't think TOWK was criticising Cox and Walters. I think one of the most infuriating things about Trap's tenure was his failure to see how Reid and Hoolahan could have better played the role he wanted of Cox and Walters. In hindsight, Trap's complete inability to even consider these guys in any circumstance is probably the most damning thing one can say about him. So, I'm agreeing with TOWK, albeit less convinced by Stokes's potential impact. In fairness to McGeady, one of TOWK's betes noirs, he never cited tiredness for being unable to play for Ireland.

[Olé Olé]

What's with the trend of all threads revolving around Andy Reid?

[SkStu]

What's with the trend of all threads revolving around Andy Reid?

It's his significantly greater gravitational pull obviously...

[Charlie Darwin]

Hoolahan starts today behind Elmander and Van Wolfsmickey. Not sure how that will work out, hopefully with Elmander going wide so Wes can play 10. No room for out of favour Pilkington.