Eircom League Co Efficient for 2006/2007

[monkey magic]

has the inauguration of the montenegran republic or whatever its gonna be called resulted in the establishment of a "montenegro fa" if this hasent happened, then were gettin a bit ahead of ourselves as it might be a year or so off...

[Poor Student]

There will be seperate leagues this season. Serbia have taken S&M's co-efficient points and their place in the European Championship qualifiers. So I think Montenegrin sides will start appearing in Europe next season.

[monkey magic]

ah, cheers for that.
bit off topic here, but does that mean that montenegro wont have the opportunity to field a team in the euro qualifiers this time round?

[paudie]

ah, cheers for that.
bit off topic here, but does that mean that montenegro wont have the opportunity to field a team in the euro qualifiers this time round?

I think Serbia are going into the group that S&M were drawn in. (Javier Clemente is their new coach)

I think Montenegro agreed as they need to set up their FA structures and will play friendlies until the next World Cup qualifiers.

[thejollyrodger]

it should have been a win tonight. George the failure has cost us Co-efficent points.

[nshoop]

it should have been a win tonight. George the failure has cost us Co-efficent points.

They easily could have had more goals at the end,how much of a difference would it have made on the points front?

[dancinpants]

They easily could have had more goals at the end,how much of a difference would it have made on the points front?

.5 divided by 3? 0.166 added to our tally? :confused:

[nshoop]

thanks

[Red&White]

.5 divided by 3? 0.166 added to our tally? :confused:
It's got to something when I'm watching football, see a possible Cork chance, and immediately think, "Co-efficients!"

[OneRedArmy]

does anyone think we can get the 1.833 again this season ??? the clubs arent really firing on all cylinders TBH.You`re either a fool or a poor wind up merchant. There`s only one club out of Europe so far (hint:its your lot) & the other 3 have at least equalled if not surpassed most people`s expectations already.

[nshoop]

What will the points tally rise to if derry and drogheda go through and where will it leave us on the list?

[thejollyrodger]

here... were in the totally meaningless competition btw !!! I would rather concentrate on more important things like winning the EL so we can play champions league football next season.

1.833 is the bench mark to be fair

[Red&White]

What will the points tally rise to if derry and drogheda go through and where will it leave us on the list?
We were 0.833 before tonight from 3 games.
Add 0.5 for Cork tonight. Say Derry draw, and Drogheda win next week, that's

0.5+0.5+1= 2

2+0.833= 2.833
2.833/3= 0.944


I think that's right anyway.

[nshoop]

We were 0.833 before tonight from 3 games.
Add 0.5 for Cork tonight. Say Derry draw, and Drogheda win next week, that's

0.5+0.5+1= 2

2+0.833= 2.833
2.833/3= 0.944


I think that's right anyway.

Looks right,thanks:)

[holidaysong]

Well that is us onto 1.000 so far this year.

Even if Derry and Drogheda both won, we would still only be on 1.666 ...

I think 1.833 is going to be very hard to reach...

[DmanDmythDledge]

We will need six points to better our 5.5 last year. So far we have 3 points from 4 matches, with another 4 to go, though Cork will be playing much stronger opposition and a good chance of another 4 depending on whether or not Derry and Drogs get through.

We should be aiming to improve our co-efficient each year, i.e. getting more than we did 4 years ago as the co-efficients are calculated over a 5 year period. We got 0.5 points 4 years ago, which equals 0.166 co-efficient points, so seeing that we already have 2 co-efficient points this year we have improved our overall co-efficient and more than likely our country ranking.

[CuanaD]

It's got to something when I'm watching football, see a possible Cork chance, and immediately think, "Co-efficients!"

Me too - worring more about statistics , instead of enjoying the game (two classy goals & a bagfull of top class saves by Devine - well worth the licence fee!)
:D :ball:

[nshoop]

Me too - worring more about statistics , instead of enjoying the game (two classy goals & a bagfull of top class saves by Devine - well worth the licence fee!)
:D :ball:

Better than that sh*te across the water

[OneRedArmy]

There's more muppetry in this thread than anywhere else on foot.ie.

Cork had a great result tonight, they are through to the next round. Thats the bottom line. They were in much more danger of not going through than winning the bloody game, particularly after they conceded.

Likewise, give me a draw against IFK and Drogs a scoreless draw against HJK and I guarantee we'll both bite your hands off.

Yet again the coefficient-obsessive-compulsives on this site get stuck admiring the trees and can't see they're in a fecking forest..........

[DmanDmythDledge]

We will need six points to better our 5.5 last year. So far we have 3 points from 4 matches, with another 4 to go, though Cork will be playing much stronger opposition and a good chance of another 4 depending on whether or not Derry and Drogs get through.

We should be aiming to improve our co-efficient each year, i.e. getting more than we did 4 years ago as the co-efficients are calculated over a 5 year period. We got 0.5 points 4 years ago, which equals 0.166 co-efficient points, so seeing that we already have 2 co-efficient points this year we have improved our overall co-efficient and more than likely our country ranking.
Actually we should be aiming to get more than we did 5 years ago and I think it may have been worse than the 0.166 I mentioned previously.

[holidaysong]

We were 0.833 before tonight from 3 games.
Add 0.5 for Cork tonight. Say Derry draw, and Drogheda win next week, that's

0.5+0.5+1= 2

2+0.833= 2.833
2.833/3= 0.944


I think that's right anyway.

That's wrong. The 0.833 before tonight was already divided by three. If Derry draw and Drogheda win it would be:

0.5 (Cork tonight) + 0.5 + 1.0 = 2

(2/3) + 0.833 = 1.5

[Red&White]

Ah right, fair enough, sonds better.

Don't forget, the CL may be three qualifying rounds but UEFA only has two. IF Derry were to get through against Gothenburg, AND win the next tie, they would be gathering double points in the first round proper. Long way in the distance, but just reminding people.

[nshoop]

some clarification please,anybody?maybe a link?

[Gareth]

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/crank2007.html

Updated

[Gareth]

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/crank2009.html

Three years down the line, if we keep it up....:)

[nshoop]

These include tonights result?

[Gareth]

Yeah they do indeed :)

[DmanDmythDledge]

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/crank2009.html

Three years down the line, if we keep it up....:)
I reckon we can get up to 33rd place for 2008, so maybe we should be expecting more of a jump come 2009, especially considering EL clubs in the CL will have easier first round ties due to seeding and more chance of 2 points rather than 1.5 this year while unseeded.

[nshoop]

true!

[CuanaD]

There's more muppetry in this thread than anywhere else on foot.ie.

Cork had a great result tonight, they are through to the next round. Thats the bottom line. They were in much more danger of not going through than winning the bloody game, particularly after they conceded.

Likewise, give me a draw against IFK and Drogs a scoreless draw against HJK and I guarantee we'll both bite your hands off.

Yet again the coefficient-obsessive-compulsives on this site get stuck admiring the trees and can't see they're in a fecking forest..........

Totally agree, getting through to the next round is FAR more important than the coefficient. But, the rankings can make things easier for Irish teams in future years - giving better chances of MORE Euro-games - thats why we care about them too.

[Red&White]

Right, so to sum up...by 2011, we should be challenging for the Champions League trophy.

[Red&White]

Totally agree, getting through to the next round is FAR more important than the coefficient. But, the rankings can make things easier for Irish teams in future years - giving better chances of MORE Euro-games - thats why we care about them too.
Not to mention they're a good way of seeing just how much Irish teams have improved. Anyone have the co-effs of the league for the last 10/15 years?


EDIT: Actually, they're already on that site.

[DmanDmythDledge]

Here (http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method1/crank1990.html) is our ranking in 1990. Bottom out of 32.

[nshoop]

Here (http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method1/crank1990.html) is our ranking in 1990. Bottom out of 32.

How were wales ahead of turkey,denmark and poland:confused:

[OneRedArmy]

Here (http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method1/crank1990.html) is our ranking in 1990. Bottom out of 32.Not really comparing like with like. Europe has exploded countrywise & none of your pre-qualifying rounds or the like then.

For instance in 1989, Derry drew a Benfica side of internationals managed by Sven in the 1st round of the European Cup. They went on to the final as far as I remember.

[holidaysong]

How were wales ahead of turkey,denmark and poland:confused:

The League of Wales was only set up in 1992, so before that it would have been teams such as Swansea and Cardiff City winning the Co-efficient points - getting into Europe by winning the Welsh Cup. The Welsh teams playing in the English leagues are now banned from the Welsh Cup.

[DmanDmythDledge]

Not really comparing like with like. Europe has exploded countrywise & none of your pre-qualifying rounds or the like then.

For instance in 1989, Derry drew a Benfica side of internationals managed by Sven in the 1st round of the European Cup. They went on to the final as far as I remember.Ye you have to judge from around 2000 on when multiple teams from each big country were in the competition. Also, before 1999 qualifying points were worth the same as points in the group stage and beyond.

[thomas]

1st ever draw where one team socred more than the other?

Derry City Irl Benfica Por 1-2 0-4

[CollegeTillIDie]

It might. Then again, our seeded team could draw the Montenegrin champions and they could possible be stronger than you'd think.

Zeta Golubovci finished in the Top 5 in the Serbia-Montenegro league last season, Mogren and Buducnost Podgorica have all been in the top flight in the past couple of seasons. Zeta if they don't lose too many players should win that inaugural Montenegrin League.

[CollegeTillIDie]

1st ever draw where one team socred more than the other?

Derry City Irl Benfica Por 1-2 0-4

This is the same Derry City side that lost 0-4 to Cardiff City in 1988:rolleyes:

[MariborKev]

1st ever draw where one team socred more than the other?

Derry City Irl Benfica Por 1-2 0-4


"Drew" as it came out of a draw paired with.....


It he was referring to the result he would have said "drew with":rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[swinfordfc]

So we close the gap on team above and Cork beat a Cyprus Team and they ranked at 28 while Ireland are at 38.

Well done to Cork last night although they will have it very tough to get anything out of the Red Star Belgrade match, they have 6 players that was at the world cup finals in germany :eek:

[pete]

Given how relatively difficult the draws have been this season it would show huge progress for 3 el sides to make it to the 2nd qualifying rounds knocking out teams from countries ranked 26th, 28th, 32nd.

Remember also this season is no fluke as just building on recent successes as eL sides have consistently beaten teams from countries ranked above us. Croatia (25th), Sweden (26th), Lithuania (33rd) etc... Also the points from 02/03 and 03/04 were minimal so can only improve on those.

We were well beaten by Slavia Prague (14th ranked country) last year although with some luck could have made a lot closer. We are as good this year but Serbs "only" ranked 20th.

Getting Drogs & Derry into the 2nd round should the first goal ahead of any ranking points (teams unlikely to get much more difficult for them in 2nd round).

[swinfordfc]

Yes agreed would hope for a win from Derry or Drogheda next week and both teams to get through, that would be great for Ireland

[CuanaD]

At the mo we are ranked 31st looking solely at the results of this year & the past two:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/crank2009.html

Looks good for 2009!

[CuanaD]

Yes agreed would hope for a win from Derry or Drogheda next week and both teams to get through, that would be great for Ireland

I think it would be a first too - We've never got all 3 teams through their 1st rounds before!

[dcfcsteve]

How were wales ahead of turkey,denmark and poland:confused:

Wales's representatives back then were almost always Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham etc. And they were stronger teams than they are now (with possible exception of Cardiff).

Turkish club football was pure muck back in those days. It's only in the last decade or so that they've come-on a lot.

No idea re Denmark or Poland - but the Welsh reps were effectively English clubs, so if you look at it that way it's no huge surprise.

For the record - the Welsh clubs playing in the English pyramid system are not banned from playing the Welsh Cup. It's just deliberately made nigh-on impossible for them to do so by synching the Welsh rounds with the English FA Cup games and then demanding the best possibne team turns out for any Welsh Cup games.

[dcfcsteve]

welsh clubs in the english pyramid system are not allowed in the welsh cup but can play in the welsh premier cup.

I can assure you Viking that that is not the case. This came direct from the horses mouth (Alun Evans, Chairman of the League of Wales).

They are not allowed to prevent a Welsh club from entering the Welsh Cup. To get round this, they make sure they schedule Welsh Cup ties on the same day as FA Cup ties, and then insist on all teams fielding their strongest squads. As the exiles will always prefer the FA Cup to the Welsh version, they would fall foul of this and therefore don't enter at all.

Like I said, straight from the horse's mouth....

[pineapple stu]

Wales's representatives back then were almost always Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham etc. And they were stronger teams than they are now (with possible exception of Cardiff).
Didn't Newport County get to the Q/F of the Cup Winners' Cup in 82 or so? Ended up being knocked out by Atalanta, I think, but only by a goal.

[gspain]

Didn't Newport County get to the Q/F of the Cup Winners' Cup in 82 or so? Ended up being knocked out by Atalanta, I think, but only by a goal.

In 1981 Newport got to the qf of the ECWC losing out to eventual beaten finalists Carl Zeiss Jena. Newport drew 2-2 in Jena but then lost 1-0 at home.

Glentoran have also played in the qf of the ECWC (1974) and Linfield reached the qf of the European Cup in 1967.