Steve Finnan

[eirebhoy]

I remember reading this in the papers after the man died. He supposedly walked out in front of Finnan's car. I doubt he'll be charged.

[Peadar]

I doubt he'll be charged.

I remember it too.
I think Finnan stayed at the scene and helped the police with their enquiries.

[Macy]

I remember reading this in the papers after the man died. He supposedly walked out in front of Finnan's car. I doubt he'll be charged.
Trying not to comment on the case, but that would depend on how fast the car was travelling....

[eirebhoy]

The husband of that woman who was murdered in Naul was arrested because he he wasn't shown very many emotions while the parents of the woman were crying next to him. People are arrested for all sorts of things and when a footballer knocks down someone the first thing that comes into people's head is speeding or drink driving.

[KK77]

I remember it too.
I think Finnan stayed at the scene and helped the police with their enquiries.

All this is true he did indeed stay at the scene and help. The old boy walked out in front of him but as mentioned above it now depends on how fast his car was going regardless. Happened at the Tuebrook junction on Jan 27 he wasn't arrested til April 11 bailed til June 29 when he will be told if a case will be taken against him.

[Macy]

People are arrested for all sorts of things and when a footballer knocks down someone the first thing that comes into people's head is speeding or drink driving.
No, the first thing that comes into someone's head when anyone is arrested for dangerous driving is speeding. It's irrelevant whether it's a footballer or not.

[livehead1]

please god i hope this aint true...and the police said the man was "from liverpool" :rolleyes:

[tiktok]

please god i hope this aint true...and the police said the man was "from liverpool" :rolleyes:

I'd imagine the address he gave in his statement was in Liverpool.

[joeSoap]

The husband of that woman who was murdered in Naul was arrested because he he wasn't shown very many emotions while the parents of the woman were crying next to him.
I think you'll find that he was arrested for a little bit more than that.. :rolleyes:

[drummerboy]

Seemingly the old aged pensioner walked out in front of him. Unfortunately, Steve was stupedly on his mobile at the time. He could get a jail term.

[Peadar]

I think you'll find that he was arrested for a little bit more than that.. :rolleyes:

No, the file sent to the DPP, read, "husband not sad enough, must be guilty!" :rolleyes:

[Macy]

No, the file sent to the DPP, read, "husband not sad enough, must be guilty!" :rolleyes:
I thought it said "Herald says so, must be true"?

[eirebhoy]

I think you'll find that he was arrested for a little bit more than that.. :rolleyes:
Well basically, the police don't need 3 witnesses phoning them telling them they seen Finnan speeding. They are arresting him as someone was killed. I've very little doubt he'll get off without charge.

[pineapple stu]

I think Finnan stayed at the scene and helped the police with their enquiries.
Very much hope so. Remember Lee Hughes?

[KK77]

Very much hope so. Remember Lee Hughes?

Slight bit different!!!!!! by about 20 pints of alcohol!!!!!!!

[Macy]

Well basically, the police don't need 3 witnesses phoning them telling them they seen Finnan speeding. They are arresting him as someone was killed. I've very little doubt he'll get off without charge.
Sure the skid marks will show how fast he was going....

If he's charged he remains innocent until proven guilty.

[pineapple stu]

Slight bit different!!!!!! by about 20 pints of alcohol!!!!!!!
Not really. Killing someone on the roads is still killing someone on the roads. The important question in both cases is whether the driver was responsible.

[pineapple stu]

Lee Hughes got what he deserved.
True, but at this stage, we don't know what Finnan deserves... :(

I would have thought death by dangerous driving would be pretty much as serious as death by drunken driving...?

[sligoman]

"He was bailed pending further inquiries to appear at a police station on Wednesday June 29."

[sligoman]

Just read a article about what happened and discovered Finnan is 29 :eek: . I could'nt believe that, I thought at most he was 25.

[Eirambler]

Just read a article about what happened and discovered Finnan is 29 :eek: . I could'nt believe that, I thought at most he was 25.

Ya, he went the long way around. Played non-league for a while and then for Notts County for a few years.

Even if he is charged and gets off later, he might be dropped from the squad for a while, like Graham Stack. We might not have him for September.

[jimbob117]

Even if he is charged and gets off later, he might be dropped from the squad for a while, like Graham Stack. We might not have him for September.

I dont think he will be or should be. If its an accident then he shouldnt be punished. obviously if he is guilty,he deserves everything he gets but lets wait and see till the verdict is delivered.

[tricky_colour]

Seemingly the old aged pensioner walked out in front of him. Unfortunately, Steve was stupedly on his mobile at the time. He could get a jail term.


Blimey, everyoe seems to have missed this most relevant point, was he on his
mobile phone?
Maybe they missed it because you stupidly spelt stupidly stupedly.

This seems to fit the facts better than any other explaination.

Anymore info on this?

Is it a crime to use a mobile phone in a car and if so since when?
I guess it could be deemed dangerous or careless anyway.

Also what is the speed limit in that area? I assume its a built up area.

How do they know he was on a moblie phone?
Did he admit it?

I assume if you do hit someone whilst talking on a phone the first thing you do is to let the other party know.

Also the police will do tests etc.... if there are no skid marks before
he hit the guy then that suggests he was not concentrating.

[tricky_colour]

http://anfieldroad.com/news/2005/106114/109158106/showitem.php



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,27-1653741,00.html


"Lee Hughes, the West Bromwich Albion forward, was jailed for six years in August last year after being found guilty of causing death by dangerous driving. Hughes fled the scene of a collision near Coventry in November 2003 in which a 56-year-old man was killed."

I assume Hughes was suspected of being drunk at the time?

[Eirambler]

Cant remember if he was drunk but one of the main things was that he drove off. At least Finnan didnt do that, might come in his favour

[Armando]

I wonder is he the first player to win the Champions League on bail.

No, I know of one other - Patrick Kluivert.
http://patrick-kluivert.biography.ms/

[4tothefloor]

I assume Hughes was suspected of being drunk at the time?He was just after leaving a party when he knocked down and killed his victim. He was drunk out of his head leaving the party, and got what he deserved.

Finnan's case is very different and could happen to anyone. There is no proof he was on the phone, it's only rumour. I do know that Finnan was inconsolable after the incident and missed training and games for Liverpool at the time because of it.

[tricky_colour]

He was just after leaving a party when he knocked down and killed his victim. He was drunk out of his head leaving the party, and got what he deserved.

Finnan's case is very different and could happen to anyone. There is no proof he was on the phone, it's only rumour. I do know that Finnan was inconsolable after the incident and missed training and games for Liverpool at the time because of it.

I don't know if he was using his mobile at the time either but it would help
to explain the dangerous driving aspect of he case, I assume he was
drunk at the time as that is not mentioned, neither is speeding, mind you
neither is a mobile phone. However what is certain is that the police will
be able to check his mobile phone records with the phone company
to see if he was makinig a call at about that time.
The timiing of the accident might not be certain however with the amount
of road cameras about the police will have a very good idea of whether
he was using the phone when he was driving. They will also be able to trace
who he was speaking too and that person would have a very good idea
that something unusul had happened. Indeed if you did have an accident
whilst driving using a phone it is human nature that you would mention it
to the person you were speaking too.
This is all just speculation of course but if is the sort of thing that could
happen to anyone. Thousands of people drive whilst using mobile
phones, it's just unfortunate if someone steps out on to the road at the time.

[Dan K]

Is it a crime to use a mobile phone in a car and if so since when?

It is here in the UK (unless you use a hands free kit) and has been for about 2 years.

[brine3]

No, I know of one other - Patrick Kluivert.
http://patrick-kluivert.biography.ms/

Of course, how could I forget, living in Amsterdam and following Ajax for 10 years now.

Steve Finnan isn't even the first player to win the Champions League on bail for a motor vehicle accident involving a death.

[hamish]

Another black day for footie though lads. Best, Van Persie and Stevie. All at the allegation/investigation stage but here's a question for you folks, many of whom are involved at various levels of the game with clubs etc.

Do clubs have something like a code of conduct, covering behaviour within and without the club?

Do pro contracts have anything like behaviour built in?

Just curious? Maybe some fo you might have information on this. I know the FAI Schools have one for interprovincials and internationals, boys and girls.

Anyone know anything about all this?????

[tricky_colour]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3015610.stm


Killer drivers on phones face six years :-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2913193.stm
Coincidently thats what Lee Hughes got.


It seems to me he may well face a jail sentence if he was using his
phone, depending on the circumatances, a rather worrying prospect.

[tricky_colour]

Another black day for footie though lads. Best, Van Persie and Stevie. All at the allegation/investigation stage but here's a question for you folks, many of whom are involved at various levels of the game with clubs etc.

Do clubs have something like a code of conduct, covering behaviour within and without the club?

Do pro contracts have anything like behaviour built in?

Just curious? Maybe some fo you might have information on this. I know the FAI Schools have one for interprovincials and internationals, boys and girls.

Anyone know anything about all this?????

I would say all of the above offences are covered by a code of conduct
called UK criminal law.

[hamish]

I would say all of the above offences are covered by a code of conduct
called UK criminal law.

I know what you mean but I meant internal discipline since far too many footballers behave in such an immature manner.

Again, I'm not making any judgements on the Finnan in particular.

[jimbob117]

Another black day for footie though lads. Best, Van Persie and Stevie. All at the allegation/investigation stage but here's a question for you folks, many of whom are involved at various levels of the game with clubs etc.


and davor suker aswell

[hamish]

and davor suker aswell

What happened there???

[eirebhoy]

What happened there???
Don't they have google in Galway? ;)
http://news.google.ie/news?q=davor%20suker&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=wn

[hamish]

Don't they have google in Galway? ;)
http://news.google.ie/news?q=davor%20suker&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=wn

Smartass :D Why bother with Google when I've got Foot.ie. and kind people like yourself to let me know what's happening.

Sir "taking the high moral ground" Hamish :p :D

[jimbob117]

What happened there???

Apologies sir, i should have explained!

[KK77]

Not really. Killing someone on the roads is still killing someone on the roads. The important question in both cases is whether the driver was responsible.


True but both cases are totally different and thats what i meant nothing more. Hughes was god knows how many times over the limit also he left the scene plus the person killed did not walk out in front of him so both cases are totally different which is all i meant.

[hamish]

Apologies sir, i should have explained!

No need for apologies, jimbob117. Should have checked out my google, as above poster scolded!! :D

[pineapple stu]

Thousands of people drive whilst using mobile
phones, it's just unfortunate if someone steps out on to the road at the time.
They do - and they're all idiots. You're supposed to be able to react if someone walks out in front of you - you're the one driving the big machine which can kill people - so defending accidents like this as unfortunate is not on.

However, until the facts of the case become clearer, I think anything here is just idle speculation really. However, the worst case scenario - six years in jail - would certainly end his career in its prime... :(

[tricky_colour]

They do - and they're all idiots. You're supposed to be able to react if someone walks out in front of you - you're the one driving the big machine which can kill people - so defending accidents like this as unfortunate is not on.

However, until the facts of the case become clearer, I think anything here is just idle speculation really. However, the worst case scenario - six years in jail - would certainly end his career in its prime... :(

I am not defending driving whilst using a mobile phone (I dont have a
mobile myself anyway), driving a car is dangerous period.
It's more danerous when using a mobile phone, or when you have a few pints,
or when you have flu (slows reactions more than drink apparently).

I am just saying that you if someone walks out in front of you when you
are using a phone or when you have had a drink you are in big trouble
whereas if you were driving normally you would get off scott free.

You are assumed to be at fault in both cases which is not necesarilly the
case, you might actually be driving more carefully at the time because
were using the phone or had been drinking.

[4tothefloor]

I assume he was drunk at the time as that is not mentioned
You assume that he was drunk?!? Why would you assume that? :confused:

[tricky_colour]

You assume that he was drunk?!? Why would you assume that? :confused:

Well because he fled the scene.
If I had killed someone in a road accident whilst drunk I certainly
would have fled the scene if at all possible.
If you kill someone in a road accident whilst drunk you get a jail term,
if you escape the breathalyser you escape jail (possibly).
As it turned out he got a 6 year term, I don't know the full circumstances though.
I assume be was adjudged to be drunk because he fled the scene.

Also someone said he had just left a party p*ssed out of his head, which
tend to back up the theory.

[pineapple stu]

You mean Lee Hughes was drunk, not Steve Finnan then? Think Hughes was drunk alright.

[onenilgameover]

They do - and they're all idiots. You're supposed to be able to react if someone walks out in front of you - you're the one driving the big machine which can kill people - so defending accidents like this as unfortunate is not on.

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It isn't that clear cut at all and the law is their to protect those that need to be protected...So many different circumstances decide an accident. Cars cant stop straight away..if you drove..do you? you would know this..say someone walked out from the back of a bus onto a busy road not looking where he or she was goin and walked straight into a driving car who is goin at say as little as 15 or 20 miles an hour..Who is at fault...? The guy in the car sees the person at the last minute and breaks the car won't stop in time. The person cant get out of the way of the car cos he/she hasn't got his/her wits about em or maybe he/she is old and can't move quick or maybe he/she is a junkie and doesn't know what's goin on or is impaired in some way or maybe all of the above.....I cant and I'm not gonna judge this case as I know nothing of the circumstances but lets keep an open mind here and not straight away blame car drivers who ever they may be.

[pineapple stu]

I do drive. Yes, cars can't stop straight away, and if (if) yer man was suicidal and walked straight out, fair enough. But if you're talking on a mobile, your reaction times are increased. Which means you're less likely to stop in time. Which means you're more likely to kill someone. Which means if you're talking on a mobile and driving, you're an idiot.

I have throughout this thread tried to shy away from making a judgement because I don't know the facts here, but it's undeniable that people on their mobiles and driving are a bigger risk. That's my entire point (and it's one which you didn't even mention in your post). That's all.

[tricky_colour]

I do drive. Yes, cars can't stop straight away, and if (if) yer man was suicidal and walked straight out, fair enough. But if you're talking on a mobile, your reaction times are increased. Which means you're less likely to stop in time. Which means you're more likely to kill someone. Which means if you're talking on a mobile and driving, you're an idiot.

I have throughout this thread tried to shy away from making a judgement because I don't know the facts here, but it's undeniable that people on their mobiles and driving are a bigger risk. That's my entire point (and it's one which you didn't even mention in your post). That's all.

As far as distractions go the police must be the worst offenders,
forever on the radio and watcing other peoples speed rather than their own.

Taxis would be banned too, then ambulance drivers!!

[elroy]

Well because he fled the scene.
If I had killed someone in a road accident whilst drunk I certainly
would have fled the scene if at all possible.
If you kill someone in a road accident whilst drunk you get a jail term,
if you escape the breathalyser you escape jail (possibly).
As it turned out he got a 6 year term, I don't know the full circumstances though.
I assume be was adjudged to be drunk because he fled the scene.

Also someone said he had just left a party p*ssed out of his head, which
tend to back up the theory.


Cant believe you said that, fled the scene and leave them to die. Have you any morals? Drinking and driving first of all is one of the most irresponsible things to do. And as they say if you do the crime etc etc