Staunton Ireland Manager?

[Schlooooomp]

Also surely you mean something subjective. If I am to express my opinion that would be a subjective statement. All comment and opinion is subjective. Only statement of facts are objective and I think commenting on the Ireland manager and how they will do in the future is hardly a statement of fact so as a result it is by nature subjective.

I recognise my mistake

[NeilMcD]

Lads Cathal Dervan was on the Hub last night, and he is clearly in the loop he has been speaking to Staunton and the FAI and is an Insider on this. He is a gob****e in my view however in this regard he is has been given the info. Staunton is going to be unveiled next week with Robson as his mentor. According to Dervan, Robson was Stauntons appointment and he felt that he needed a wise old head. It is pretty clear that Dervan was given this info to go running to the media with. He is within the circle just like he was during Mc Carthy's reign and the wasy Humphries was during Kerrs.

[Stuttgart88]

The fact that the FAI is allowing all of this speculation over the exact roles etc. is the biggest shambles of all. Having been positive because I assumed Robson's role would be significant I'm reserving further judgment until the FAI spells out the facts. It's a ****ing shambles and disrespectful to all concerned.

[Schlooooomp]

Do any of you think that there could be one final twist and see Venables and Staunton put in place?

Why are you so enamoured with Venables? I don't know either Robson or Venables personally but in a choice between the two of them Robson wins everytime. Robson has managed at a pretty high level until recently, I don't count Venables time at Boro or Leeds (the man signed Raul Bravo for God sake, only outdone by Roque Junior in ineptness)

[colster]

I accept the analogy is a stretch but it amounts to the same point that Greenbod is making. A long playing career does not mean that you have all the required skills and experience to become a manager/coach, in fact it doesn't guarantee that you will have any of the skills or experience to be a good manager/coach. Apart from the obvious ability to say inane things to reporters of course.

I don't think you can spend 20 years as a professional and not learn a lot about the game and how it should be played. He has had a 20 year education in the game.
I think you can say that he will know how he wants the team to play. Whether that's the correct way or whether he can sufficiently get the players to buy into that is another thing.
Sideline management may be his downfall. When to make a substitution? Recognising problem areas or when a tactic needs to be tweaked. But even the most experience managers have problems in this area.
Man Management is the other area we don't know about but that's less of a problem in international football.
Dealing with the Press.

[pete]

This whole setup is a shambles already with Delaney shuffling out his PR journalists like Cathal Dervan.

I also hear some story running that Raneiri was originally in the running - smells like the FAI releasing that story to convince people they actually looked hard for a top manager.

Theres so many agendas from yes & No men in irish football now its just a complete joke.

:rolleyes:

[Den Perry]

I wonder are the FAI even embarressed about this whole shambles and all the leaks that are apparent?

[Schlooooomp]

This whole setup is a shambles already with Delaney shuffling out his PR journalists like Cathal Dervan.

I also hear some story running that Raneiri was originally in the running - smells like the FAI releasing that story to convince people they actually looked hard for a top manager.

Theres so many agendas from yes & No men in irish football now its just a complete joke.

:rolleyes:

I think that is the one thing we can all agree on, whatever subsequent moves the FAI makes, like feeding Dervan crap, it is an effort to try and spin the shambolic way they have approached appointing a new manager.

And whatever our feelings are towards Staunton in the managers role, his new bosses have done him absolutely no favours.

[Stuttgart88]

I also hear some story running that Raneiri was originally in the running - smells like the FAI releasing that story to convince people they actually looked hard for a top manager
There was a very big rumour in November that the FAI had met Ranieri in England, in the Midlands somewhere. Very good source who I trust. Walsall maybe?

[klein4]

I wonder are the FAI even embarressed about this whole shambles and all the leaks that are apparent?
doubt it. they have never been embarressed by anything before.joke of an organisation in need of total reform. what has actually changed since genesis?

[NeilMcD]

I am sure they did meet Ranieri and Venables and a good few others. Nothing wrong with that as I am sure everybody agree and I do think that its pretty difficult to put a cap on this story as so many people want to get the news etc. But Staunton should have been unveiled this week rather than this drip feed of news. Compared to this time last year I am so depressed about the state of International Football in Ireland. Lets hope our fortunes change that I am saying the opposite next January.

[Jerry The Saint]

He even took on Roy Keane in an argument about whether Liverpool were a better club than Manchester United.


I didn't realise that Staunton and Keane knew each other when they were SIX YEARS OLD!:rolleyes:

[NeilMcD]

Did anybody see the HUb last night. Dunphy was sloppy in his fact. Dervan was making a point that there are numerous examples of players going from playint to managing their country and quoted Rijkaard on this. Dunphy came straight in and said this was the same man that played 4 strikers at LR and lost to Ireland. I nearly cringed. It makes me sick when so called experts get basic facts like that wrong. I always feel, let me on the TV.

[Den Perry]

I have absolutely NO respect for Dervan, but what are his thoughts on the situation? I havent had a chance to read him.....too busy here at work HA!

[Stuttgart88]

Did anybody see the HUb last night. Dunphy was sloppy in his fact. Dervan was making a point that there are numerous examples of players going from playint to managing their country and quoted Rijkaard on this. Dunphy came straight in and said this was the same man that played 4 strikers at LR and lost to Ireland. I nearly cringed. It makes me sick when so called experts get basic facts like that wrong. I always feel, let me on the TV.
If Kluivert hadn't missed TWO penalties against Italy Rijkard would probably have won the European Chamionships at his first attempt playing beatiful football (a lucky win over the Czech Rep excepted) in games such as the thrashing of Yugoslavia. Despite every effort to keep him Rijkard insisted his performance was a failure and resigned out of honour (or maybe because his agent reckoned he'd get the Barca job!).

[NeilMcD]

Good point. I was making the point that Dunphy ****ed up as it was Louis Van Gaal who was in charge at LR.


Dervan is in favour of the appointment but why wouldn't he be, He is been used by Delaney and Staunton as there mouthpieice. He is part of the FAI PR Machine.

[NeilMcD]

The buck stops with Staunton
By Liam Mackey pic
AS Irish football continues to come to terms with the imminent unveiling of Steve Staunton, another piece of the jigsaw has fallen into place with the appointment of Kevin MacDonald as the new Irish coach.

Staunton has chosen the former Liverpool midfielder and current Aston Villa reserve coach, who is well known to the new Irish manager from his time at both clubs.

The news of MacDonald’s appointment contradicted earlier reports circulating yesterday that Bobby Robson planned to invite his former right-hand man John Carver to join him in the new Irish set-up.

Sources close to Robson and in Merrion Square dismissed the reports, as the FAI reacted to initial criticism of the Staunton/Robson appointment by stressing there will be only one man in charge.

“Let there be no mistake about this - the buck will stop with Steve Staunton,” said a source at the association.



“Steve Staunton is the manager and he will be responsible for all team affairs. Bobby Robson has made it quite clear that he is there to help and that he is quite happy to do whatever Steve asksT of him, whether that’s scouting, advice or whatever.”

The FAI have emphasised the former England boss was Staunton’s choice as advisor, an acknowledgment by the rookie that he could only benefit from someone of Robson’s rich managerial experience.

With Alan Kelly already confirmed as Ireland’s new goalkeeping coach in place of Packie Bonner, Kevin MacDonald now comes in as a replacement for Chris Hughton.

Inverness-born MacDonald was a member of the Liverpool side which won the double in 1985/86 but the following year broke his leg in a game against Southampton at the Dell, an injury which required two operations and effectively ended his Anfield career.

Meanwhile, Steve Staunton’s father Tom said yesterday that he had spoken to his son on Monday night and the latter was “delighted” with his appointment.

“He has a real spring in his step,” Tom Staunton told RTÉ.

“From when he was a nipper he wanted to play for his country and captain his country and now he is going to be the manager of his country. He is delighted.”

However, former club and international colleagues of the player expressed mixed feelings about the FAI’s decision.

Said Ronnie Whelan: “If I’m honest, I have to admit I am a little bit surprised Steve Staunton is likely to be given the Republic of Ireland manager’s job.

“I’m not saying Stan can’t do the job, but I have to have slight reservations because he’s never been a manager before. To be given an international manager’s job early in your career as a coach is one hell of a big step. I really hope it goes well for him, if he gets the job, because he’s a great lad, but you have to say that the FAI would be taking a slight chance.”

He added: “Personally I can’t help but think that it might be better for Sir Bobby to take charge at first and for Stan to work as his assistant.

“That way Stan could observe how an experienced manager handles players, situations, and the media. Rather than being dropped in it at the deep end it may be a better learning curve for Stan. It is a lot to ask of Stan to get everything right straight away, especially when there are European Championship qualifying games around the corner.”

It’s understood Staunton will get a four-year contract while Robson’s will cover two years - with options to renew. It is hoped both men will sign by the end of this week before they are officially unveiled at a press conference in Dublin next Monday.

[tetsujin1979]

I think the people who say that the likes of Van Basten, Rijkard, Voller, Hughes etc all got appointed are forgetting that they played under some of the top coaches in Europe, and won any number of trophies between them. Was Staunton at Liverpool the last time they won the league? I think he has a League cup winner's medal from Villa and that's it. He may become a great manager in time, but now is not the time to be taking a chance on him.
Robson's role in this is still very ill-defined - is he picking the team/picking the tactics/scouting for new players/performing all the media duties - depending on what you read at the moment it's any one of all these and others. This can only end in disaster as noone (especially the players) knows who is accountable in the end. If we have a bad loss, say to Macedonia, exactly who is at fault - Robson for giving the wrong advice, or Staunton for listening to it and picking the wrong team/tactics?? More importantly at the end of an unsuccessful campaign (it'll happen, admit it) who is sacked? One? Both? Neither?
This whole affair has started badly, and given the amount of secrecy by the FAI up until this point I am very disappointed in their lack of communication since the news about Staunton broke.
The media frenzy that has exploded since then reminds me of the "revelations" of a fall out between Kerr and Stephen Ireland that happened more than 3 years ago but only became a matter of public interest before the Swiss game last October. The players and manager weren't talking to the press, neither were the FAI, so the media went and found a story to fill column inches with during a quiet period between matches. Again here the FAI are refusing to comment, I've heard nothing from either Staunton or Robson so the press are putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5.

[OwlsFan]

Whatever about the rights and wrongs of the appointment, for those attacking the FAI in the way they are handling the matter, the FAI is perfectly correct not to make any statement until a contract has been signed. If the negotiations were to break down (which is always a possibility) they would get terrible stick for a premature announcement that Staunton is to be the new manager.

The rest of the stuff is media driven with quotes from "sources close to Robson" (his pet dog ??) and "a source at the association" (the janitor ?) as the mainstay of the speculation. However, there is no doubt that the FAI continues to leak like a sieve no matter who is in charge there. This is what happens whenever any decision has to be ratified by a committee.

[pineapple stu]

Was Staunton at Liverpool the last time they won the league?
He was, yeah. Joined in 1987 or 1988.

[Poor Student]

Could we have Staunton as player manager? Still waiting to fill that left back role since his retirement. ;)

[NeilMcD]

Owls Fan, The FAI are right not to make an announcement but then the should make sure that one there are not leaks from the organisation. That Its CEO and manager dont inform Cathal Dervan to go on TV and tell the what the situation is. Hate to use this comparison but its a bit like the way Hitler Used Goebels. Also Stauntons old man is talking too. If I was getting a big job I would tell my parents to shut the **** up and dont speak to the press. So to say the FAI are2
Also Stauton did win a league and started playing for Liverpool in 1987 so I think he has at least 2 League winners medals and Fa Cup Winners Medal and League Cup Winners Medal
He played under

Daglish
Atkinson
Taylor
Charlton
Mc Carthy
Gregory
Evans
Houllier
Souness

and a few others I presume. I would say that is a mishmash of good and average and poore managers. I would say the best way to learn is to play under a mixture of managers as u realise the good and bad things rather if you only play under good managers u dont know whats good or whats bad u just know one way of doing things.. Also he played with average and motivated average players. Another thing which is important to the Irish job.

I am not in favour of this but just setting a few facts straight.

[Kempes1-0]

Was Staunton at Liverpool the last time they won the league? I think he has a League cup winner's medal from Villa and that's it. .

FA Cup winner in '89 and League winner in '90

[NeilMcD]

Date of Birth: 19-01-1969
Birthplace: Drogheda
Debut : 17th September 1988 v Tottenham Hotspur (H) Football League Division One: drew 1-1
1st team games: 147
1st team goals: 6
Other clubs: Dundalk, Bradford City (loan), Aston Villa (twice), Crystal Palace (loan)
International caps while with Liverpool: 35
International goals while with Liverpool: 7
Honours with Liverpool: First Division Championship 1989/90, FA Cup 1989

[Peadar]

FA Cup winner in '89 and League winner in '90

Look at all the players who have won a Champions League medal with Liverpool but are total rubbish! Medals count for little.

Arsene Wenger is more likely to have a medal for playing chess than playing football but he is still one of the best coaches in the business.

Everyone is blowing on about Staunton being a great motivator but motivation will count for little when he comes face to face with a disciplined team and a tactically proficient coach.

A good coach can motivate the fans as well but nothing that has come from the lips of Staunton has ever inspired me.
I'm here to be proved wrong but I can't see myself enjoying the wait.

[Dublin12]

Everyone is blowing on about Staunton being a great motivator but motivation will count for little when he comes face to face with a disciplined team and a tactically proficient coach.



Agree,I expect the alarm bells will start to ring around Jan 27th;)

[klein4]

cant believe owls fan will just refuse to admit the fai are badly run no matter what the evidence..."its not the people in the FAI's fault there are leaks its the fact that the decisions are made by commitees...." yes. commitees populated by the same people who run the organisation so badly...who cant keep anything in house.
best of luck to staunton, he will need it.

[eirebhoy]

Staunton and Kevin Mac Donald will do a good Job. The Players Will Respect Them And Learn to play as a Team


Good Luck Lads
Just to bump this post up from 2 days ago. Any more info El Pablo? :)

[pete]

Owls Fan, The FAI are right not to make an announcement but then the should make sure that one there are not leaks from the organisation. That Its CEO and manager dont inform Cathal Dervan to go on TV and tell the what the situation is.


Exactly. Seems like the FAI have released this to judge public reaction & are not passing out more information justifying their position based on that public reaction. :rolleyes:

Paying Robson 250k for an "advisor" role is crazy money which i'm sure he found impossible to turn down. An advisor will have no responsibility for results so no accountability. 500k for someone coming from player-coach at walsall (i'd guess currently on alsolute maxium 250k) is also pretty clever negotiating...

For all we know Staunton could just be an observor at Walsall training sessions or be the ballboy. AFAIK he has no coaching badges so a complete novice.

[Hither green]

I think the people who say that the likes of Van Basten, Rijkard, Voller, Hughes etc all got appointed are forgetting that they played under some of the top coaches in Europe, and won any number of trophies between them. Was Staunton at Liverpool the last time they won the league?

When did that ever guarantee anything? The likes of Ferguson and Wenger had virtually nothing in terms of a career and they've done alright. Whilst there have been plenty to play under top managers who failed as managers, John Barnes for instance, Brian Robson :D Personally I wouldn't have appointed Van Basten, Rijkard or Voller either, they were as much of a gamble as Staunton.


He played under

Daglish
Atkinson
Taylor
Charlton
Mc Carthy
Gregory
Evans
Houllier
Souness



You missed whoever was managing Dundalk :D

[Den Perry]

i just have a feeling that its not all a done deal yet

[Hither green]

Paying Robson 250k for an "advisor" role is crazy money which i'm sure he found impossible to turn down. An advisor will have no responsibility for results so no accountability. 500k for someone coming from player-coach at walsall (i'd guess currently on alsolute maxium 250k) is also pretty clever negotiating...

I suspect the BBC website may be rehashing other media stories and have got the wrong end of the stick but in an article about Kevin McDonald being the new "coaching guru" they describe Robson: "receiving a two-year deal as his assistant."

[NeilMcD]

I know Dervan is a bit of a cnut but I think in this regard he is within the loop so I think its pretty save to assume that

Staunton will be manager
Mc Donald will be his assitant
Robon will be his advisor, (whatever that means but it will become apparent at the Press Conference.)

Staunton will be the man in charge and he is using Robson as a souning board and to fight of criticism that he is inexperience (in my view in invites more criticism in relation to the structure)

Its speculation to suggest the money at this stage and that Staunton will be on 500,000 and Robson will be on 250,000.

[WeAreRovers]

Whatever about the rights and wrongs of the appointment, for those attacking the FAI in the way they are handling the matter, the FAI is perfectly correct not to make any statement until a contract has been signed. If the negotiations were to break down (which is always a possibility) they would get terrible stick for a premature announcement that Staunton is to be the new manager.

The rest of the stuff is media driven with quotes from "sources close to Robson" (his pet dog ??) and "a source at the association" (the janitor ?) as the mainstay of the speculation. However, there is no doubt that the FAI continues to leak like a sieve no matter who is in charge there. This is what happens whenever any decision has to be ratified by a committee.

Who do you think leaked the news to Dervan et al? The FAI deliberately flew a kite re. Staunton/Robson and the media and public have laughed at them. In that case we may indeed see some back-pedalling from the Merrion Sq. mandarins.

BTW One very prominent hack (not Dervan) has been swearing blind for three months that Staunton would get the job. He emailed a mate this morning to say "told you so". How did he know? The FAI are the people responsible for this mess and all previous messes. Don't ever forget that.

KOH

[NeilMcD]

who is the prominent hack then.

[Lionel Ritchie]

just got sent this. Timeless (pardon the pun)

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/weemex/timestan.jpg

:D

[macdermesser]

Daglish
Atkinson
Taylor
Charlton
Mc Carthy
Gregory
Evans
Houllier
Souness


and he could not get a bit of free advice off any of those coaches? Instead the FAI want to shell out 250K for Staunton to get some advice on how to be a coach. How is it going to work out? Robbie Keane gets injured 25 minutes in to a qualifier with Israel and Staunton will use his "phone a friend" joker.

Either they should have fully backed Staunton or had him as an assistant to an experienced man as they wanted to do from the beginning. This proposed arrangement is an expensive mess waiting to happen.

[Hither green]

and he could not get a bit of free advice off any of those coaches? Instead the FAI want to shell out 250K for Staunton to get some advice on how to be a coach.

Dalglish: They'd both be mumbling too much to make the conversation of any use at all.

Atkinson: Would you ask this man for advice?...Well would you?

Taylor: We've had enough of agricultural football thank you.

Charlton: Gone fishing.

McCarthy: I think he's a bit busy with his own problems.

Gregory: Whatever happened to John Gregory anyway... hmm?

Evans: [See under "Gregory"]

Houllier: [See under "Atkinson"]

Souness: [See under "McCarthy"]

[Den Perry]

if keane gets injured he'll probably bring on keane

[Den Perry]

athat was meant to read"if keane gets injured hell bring on quinn

[macdermesser]

Dalglish: They'd both be mumbling too much to make the conversation of any use at all.

Atkinson: Would you ask this man for advice?...Well would you?

Taylor: We've had enough of agricultural football thank you.

Charlton: Gone fishing.

McCarthy: I think he's a bit busy with his own problems.

Gregory: Whatever happened to John Gregory anyway... hmm?

Evans: [See under "Gregory"]

Houllier: [See under "Atkinson"]

Souness: [See under "McCarthy"]

Ah I see .. that answered my question. So better that the FAI pays 250k to the wise old English man. Sort of a variation on the theme of third world countries employing the likes of Troussier and Schaefer etc etc

I think you know what I was getting at. Staunton ought to have enough contacts in the game not for the FAI to be shelling out that sort of money in what looks to be a face-saving exercise.

Still, at least they'll recoup some of that back with the 7,500 euro corporate tickets:rolleyes:

[Greenbod]

Everyone is blowing on about Staunton being a great motivator but motivation will count for little when he comes face to face with a disciplined team and a tactically proficient coach.




Yes, but a motivated team of averagely talented players, stands a better chance than an unmotivated team of averagely talented players. The pick of players will be the same regardless of the manager. And what evidence have you got that Staunton is not tactically proficient?

[OwlsFan]

Exactly. Seems like the FAI have released this to judge public reaction & are not passing out more information justifying their position based on that public reaction. :rolleyes:

Paying Robson 250k for an "advisor" role is crazy money which i'm sure he found impossible to turn down. An advisor will have no responsibility for results so no accountability. 500k for someone coming from player-coach at walsall (i'd guess currently on alsolute maxium 250k) is also pretty clever negotiating...

For all we know Staunton could just be an observor at Walsall training sessions or be the ballboy. AFAIK he has no coaching badges so a complete novice.

I am afraid I don't follow this logic. They leak the information to judge the public reaction, which they must know anyway, which is by and large hostile and continue with the negotiations instead of abandoning them. And don't tell me it's to get a reduced salary for Staunton.
--------------
Delaney: Eh, Stan, the people in the Evening Herald and Klein4 in foot.ie don't like the appointment so we're reducing your salary from 400k to 250k.

Stan: Fair enough Pat. But can you thrown in a few free Dundalk shirts ?

Delaney: My name is John but done.

Sources close to Staunton reveal that after hard negotiations, an Agreement has been reached.
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[NeilMcD]

surely we should be looking for evidence that he is tactically proficient from our future manager rather than looking for evidence that he is not. This is my main problem with the appointment its a shot in the dark. When you buy a player, or hire a manager you should try to cut down the amount of uncertainty, there is going to be an element of it but the less of it the better. This appointment has far too much of a gamble about it for my liking.

[Reality Bites]

I remember Reading a piece in Tony Cascarinos Autobiography about Stan, and it has always stuck in the memory:- when he first joined the senior squad as a young lad, a number of the senior players led by Liam Brady (very much the kingpin) were dealing out cards in a game of poker when Brady let a shout at the youngster to go grab a few soft drinks( I think it was) for him at the table, Stan immediatley recognised the demeaning task and promptly replied with a "**** off and get them yerself".
I always liked that and it shows the guy has balls kinda reminds of the scene in Goodfellas "don't take **** from nobody" without the gettin shot bit..
All great managers have them, so i suppose Stan gets my Vote

[klein4]

:D
I am afraid I don't follow this logic. They leak the information to judge the public reaction, which they must know anyway, which is by and large hostile and continue with the negotiations instead of abandoning them. And don't tell me it's to get a reduced salary for Staunton.
--------------
Delaney: Eh, Stan, the people in the Evening Herald and Klein4 in foot.ie don't like the appointment so we're reducing your salary from 400k to 250k.

Stan: Fair enough Pat. But can you thrown in a few free Dundalk shirts ?

Delaney: My name is John but done.

Sources close to Staunton reveal that after hard negotiations, an Agreement has been reached.
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scraping the barrell here owlsfan....you obviously have no answer to any of the criticisms of the fai that have been raised on this thread and are reduced to the above...very selective in your responses as well.....:D

[Greenbod]

surely we should be looking for evidence that he is tactically proficient from our future manager rather than looking for evidence that he is not.

Those who have appointed him should have looked for this evidence...Yes. Do you know they didn't?

[NeilMcD]

I dont think they have leaked it to judge public reaction I just think they have leaded it as they are very unprofessional and dont know how to do an appointment properly they have not appointed one manager under satisfactory circumstances. All of the last 3 appointments have been **** ups. Whether the guy was the right choice is neither here nor there but how they were appointed by the FAI were disasters and this is the same. Why did they tell Dervan select info and get him to go on the Hub to release it.

[NeilMcD]

Those who have appointed him should have looked for this evidence...Yes. Do you know they didn't?


Well he has never been a manager before so I dont know where they would have found evidence of this how good a tactician he is during top class matches and when the pressure is on . Maybe they sat him down in front of Championship Manager and asked him to take over the Irish team and see how he does. In fact I would not be suprised if that was the interview process for the Ireland job.

[NeilMcD]

I remember Reading a piece in Tony Cascarinos Autobiography about Stan, and it has always stuck in the memory:- when he first joined the senior squad as a young lad, a number of the senior players led by Liam Brady (very much the kingpin) were dealing out cards in a game of poker when Brady let a shout at the youngster to go grab a few soft drinks( I think it was) for him at the table, Stan immediatley recognised the demeaning task and promptly replied with a "**** off and get them yerself".
I always liked that and it shows the guy has balls kinda reminds of the scene in Goodfellas "don't take **** from nobody" without the gettin shot bit..
All great managers have them, so i suppose Stan gets my Vote

Cascarino says in his article today that it was Whelan. Now either you are wrong, cascarino is wrong or else that Staunton regularly went around telling players to **** off when they bossed him about.