Staunton Ireland Manager? [Archive] - Page 7

NeilMcD

10/01/2006, 2:06 PM

I supported Keanes standing up to a shambolic set up but I dont think its relevant to whether Staunton should be the next Ireland manager. I would say the same if Keane was been appointed and people were castigating his role in Saipan. Its water under the bridge and move on. To be fair If Staunton did not support the manager, there would have been a mutiny and Irelands World Cup really would have been a shambles. Instead of Star Player sent Home/ Walks out, it woudl have been Irish team in shambles and full of infightiing. At least the players were united on the pitch and Staunton showed he was a good captain of that group of players. Footballers are a selfish bunch and they just wanna play games etc. Loyalty is not one of their biggest assets and I think Keane may have been a slow learner in this regard. He is now realising that not even Utd were loyal to him.

shakermaker1982

10/01/2006, 2:07 PM

Though Im against the appointment I hope he does well and turns me into a believer. I think he's trying to run before he can crawl but then again what do I know??!

So long as he promotes youth and gets a good coaching set up then it might not all be doom and gloom.

ranting rover

10/01/2006, 2:07 PM

are you not contradicting yourself in your own post there?
saying nobody knows what the combination will be and then saying robson will deffo be the mentor.

I missed adding that 'my guess is that...' - But I never said he will definately be the mentor - I posted as I was still typing by mistake, but changed it within 10 seconds - you must have read it in the 10 seconds, sorry bout that

Peadar

10/01/2006, 2:07 PM

We clearly need to expand the Smilies.

Like this?

:D

Stuttgart88

10/01/2006, 2:09 PM

Don't believe the papers. I reckon it's Robson as manager with Staunton as assistant. I can't see Robson taking a junior role.
Title means nothing, it's who does what that counts. They key is the relationship and allocation of responsibility between the two. Like you, I'd expect Robson to be very much the senior figure initially although I'd expect the relationship to evolve with Staunton accepting more responsibility as time goes on. I'd say Robson very much feels he has a point to prove, especially to Newcastle so he'll be very motivated to succeed. He'll want to go out on a high. He'll also be well used to working for idiots having spent time under Freddie Shepherd. The Irish Times suggests he's a lot tougher than he is publicly perceived too. The more I think about this the more I like it. Whether we are happy to have someone like Bobby Robson is the real issue here, not how much experience Staunton has.

wallis

10/01/2006, 2:11 PM

You don't half talk some rubbish, wallis!

There's not a hope in hell that Sven will still have a job after the summer. :D

Peadar - they took him back after Paul Mersons appointment backfired !

Den Perry

10/01/2006, 2:11 PM

I respect Bobby Robson, but not the other lad

Hither green

10/01/2006, 2:12 PM

Like this?

:D

Absolute class! Hats off to ye.

tetsujin1979

10/01/2006, 2:14 PM

Excuse me Neill, but I take exception to your view that any comment on his relationship with Keane is "silly". After all he publicly let his captai down at a vital point
How? By not speaking out and agreeing with Keane? Neither did anyone else in the room.
Are you trying to get banned?

Hither green

10/01/2006, 2:16 PM

Den Perry

10/01/2006, 2:24 PM

How? By not speaking out and agreeing with Keane? Neither did anyone else in the room.
Are you trying to get banned?

Why would I be banned? for expressing my opinion in a democratic way?

WeAreRovers

10/01/2006, 2:30 PM

How? By not speaking out and agreeing with Keane? Neither did anyone else in the room.
Are you trying to get banned?

Staunton and his mate Quinn were willingly led out by the FAI's spin machine (sic) to publicly back the idiot in charge of the team. Both sycophants were only too delighted to do so and in the process lost what tiny shred of respect I had for them.

As for Den Perry looking to be banned - for what? Not agreeing with the consensus? For agreeing with Keane over Saipan? For thinking Staunton is an FAI puppet/muppet? I thought people on here were smart enough to see through Delaney and his chums. Maybe not. :rolleyes:

KOH

Stormin Normin

10/01/2006, 2:44 PM

The inability to move on and the absolute hypocrisy of the pro Keane lobby is amazing. Will you people for the love of God please move on. If Keane was to be the inexperienced appointee with Robson as 'mentor' I can just see al the 'couragous move/bold appointment/forward thinking' comments.

Staunton is inexperienced as a manager but as experienced a player as the likes of Van Basten, Klinnsman, Rijkard, Mark Hughes etc. It's a big gamble but Robson's involvement is a good move if they can make it work between them.

The alternatives - the Dodgy El Tel, failed premiership/champioship/league 1 managers? No thanks.

The Irish alternatives - Aldridge/Stapleton - No thanks

Let's face it the FAI don't have the pulling power or budget to get a top manager. Delaney should have know that before he stupidly raised expectations

tetsujin1979

10/01/2006, 2:47 PM

Why would I be banned? for expressing my opinion in a democratic way?
Nope, for blatant trolling in other parts of the thread. Actually what I quoted was probably the best thing you've posted today. Probably should have made that clearer.

Anyway, this thread is supposed to be about Stan as a manager, not his family tree, not Roy Keane and certainly not Saipan. On that point, I think appointing him as the assitant to Robson to be groomed to take over after the Euro 2008 qualifiers would be infinitely more acceptable than the current Staunton as Manager and Robson as adviser, which (let's not forget) hasn't even been confirmed yet.

NeilMcD

10/01/2006, 2:51 PM

Armando

10/01/2006, 2:54 PM

What are the FAI playing at? Like it or not Saipan is not water under the bridge and won't be until there are no current players in the Ireland team who were caught up in the debacle. The appointment of Staunton makes no sense at all on so many levels. Even leaving aside his obvious lack of credentials other obstacles still stand firmly in the way. Unfortunately it offers the opportunity of resurrecting painful ghosts from the recent past. Here's how it will go down.
Everything will start off smoothly but a result goes against us and BAM!, Saipan will be brought up by every newspaper, TV station and the fans as to why things aren't going right. Conspiracy theories will be bandied about certain players who backed Keane not playing for the manager, personality clashes blah, blah, blah.

Unless, somehow, he becomes our managerial Messiah this could end in even worse heartbreak, for everyone involved, than Kerr and even McCarthys reigns before him. The bottom line is he will have to exceed all expectations just to survive because of who he is and all the recent baggage that people will perceive comes with him. While other men will get away with slight deficincies in their gameplan Staunton will not. The odds are stacked firmly against him.

The simple fact of the matter is no man who was involved as a player in Siapan should be allowed anywhere near the job at the moment, that includes Roy Keane. It's a recipe for disaster.
By the way what does Staunton have that Aldridge does not. Aldridge served Ireland admirably too and importantly was nowhere near Saipan. He's a decent manager and even though he wouldn't be in my top 5 for the job I would take him over Staunton every time.

If Staunton his to be the manager I will wish him well and hope he becomes our greatest manager ever, not just for our sakes but especially for his own sake.

Den Perry

10/01/2006, 2:55 PM

I think the inability to move on comes from both sides of that argument to be honest Normin. But I agree if Keane got the job there would be lots of people saying its a great appointment. There is very little reason to think that Keane would be a great manager and Staunton would be a crap one. Both have had successful club and international careers and both have captained their country.

Ok, BUT....it appears from his lack of comments that Staunton was always happy with the set-up/ preparation over the years, whereas Keane sacrificed a World Cup for it. Therefore are we again going to be subject to dodgy preparation

And what is trolling?

Stuttgart88

10/01/2006, 3:01 PM

Amidst all this debate on the new manager, has anyone seen the headline on the main FAI website?

ELIMINATION FROM WORLD CUP WAS DISAPPOINTMENT

Classic understatement

tetsujin1979

10/01/2006, 3:01 PM

There's an internet law that states that any sufficiently advanced thread on an internet forum will eventually mention Nazis/Hitler. The name of it escapes me (although it has been mentioned on foot.ie before) but I'd like to make an addition to it - any sufficiently advanced thread on Irish football will eventually mention Saipan and Roy Keane, no matter how long it's been since that incident.

Stuttgart88

10/01/2006, 3:08 PM

There's an internet law that states that any sufficiently advanced thread on an internet forum will eventually mention Nazis/Hitler.
You've just proven it.

klein4

10/01/2006, 3:18 PM

yeah what is trolling?
good point made about aldridge earlier. The whole Saipan thing is a red herring. The main issue is the way the FAI run football in this country (what was the thinking behind the appointments and the decision to let kerr go, is there any clear strategy at play here?) and also how the top football job in this country has been downgraded to some sort of management school. We all hope they do well, but it will be sheer luck if they do. (and that isnt to cover myself in the event they do well, I just feel they are taking a massive gamble appointing an absolute novice)

SunnySweeney

10/01/2006, 3:19 PM

But silly comments bout where Staunton is from, his accent, the tone of his voice, his relationship with Roy Keane, or Bobby Robsons, age or mixing up players names, are silly comments which contribute little to intelligent debate.

I stand by my silly comments regarding Staunton and I have played football and have been listening to coaches all my life.

It is not about accent. I never mentioned that. It is about voice inflection, body language, how people percieve you and how you inspire them. It is very important and I am sorry but I don,t think the fella has got it ...

elroy

10/01/2006, 3:21 PM

After Saipan I dont think we'll ever see a return to the amateurish set up that was evident in the Charlton days.

As for Stan and Robson, not my preferred appointment by any means. However, there isnt a huge variety of willing parties from what I can see. I think under Kerr there was an apparent lack of motivation amongst the players and I can understand their thinkin in bringing in someone to get that back. However my choice there would have being Aldridge not Stan.

I think Robson can be a valuable person to have on board however I really dont like this grey area of a partnership or director of football etc.

Whatever happens, Kerr had his time and in my opinion ended up producing a number of the most lacklustre Irish performances I've ever seen. To me the man was tactically inept when it mattered and I think whoever is appointed should be given a fair chance. We might not agree with the appointment but I dont care if he loses every friendly as long as we qualify for the Euros. For me the two main factors for an international manager (we prob could all pick Irelands best XI) is motivation and tactics. Hopefully Stan will bring back some much needed motivation to the squad and if he or Robson produces the tactics will remain to be seen.

Jerry The Saint

10/01/2006, 3:24 PM

Mark Kinsella is a more senior member of the coaching staff at Walsall than Staunton. I think staunton just works as defensive coach.

http://www.saddlers.premiumtv.co.uk/page/WhosWhoDetail/0,,10428,00.html
(Stauntons name isnt even mentioned. He's obviously very highly regarded there! )

Fingers crossed this will just be a temporary appointment for say 6 months....

Here's something interesting - Walsall may be operating under some sort of salary cap at the moment. I read on a Walsall message board that both Staunton and Kinsella are paid exclusively out of the coaching budget, freeing up extra cash to spend on other players.

http://www.upthesaddlers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5489&sid=d058d58b1d8d3cabe7c9810a0ea507d3 (See second post from acuman about halfway down)

So it may be the case that not only is Staunton neither a manager nor assistant manager but whatever coaching role Merson gave him may well be a purely notional role that has the sole purpose of enabling some creative accounting. :eek: (allegedly) ;)

finn

10/01/2006, 3:30 PM

see under T for Trolling

http://4umi.com/web/glossary.htm

klein4

10/01/2006, 3:45 PM

mmmmmmmmmm.....bit dubious...... maybe we need a group hug icon for the more "sensitive" posters...

pete

10/01/2006, 3:48 PM

Moderator Please stay on topic folks. See thread title.

klein4

10/01/2006, 3:58 PM

sorry that trolling thing and what it meant was driving me nuts.
and I just wanted to see if that guy would come back with a group hug icon....:)

Tired&Emotional

10/01/2006, 3:58 PM

Jerry The Saint

10/01/2006, 4:06 PM

http://www.rte.ie/sport/2006/0110/ireland.html

Back room staff on the way....don't know much about him other than waht's on RTE, anyone else?

Interesting to see (after the discussion on Staunton's "assistant manager" position re reports on BBC and SKY) RTE have him down as "coach" (prev they reported AM)....he's going backwards already!

This just gets stranger and stranger - we're going to employ an "Assistant Mentor" now:confused: Surely Staunton will be allowed to bring in some of his own backroom staff (e.g. Kinsella - his coaching superior at Walsall...:) )

colster

10/01/2006, 4:07 PM

This just gets stranger and stranger - we're going to employ an "Assistant Mentor" now:confused: Surely Staunton will be allowed to bring in some of his own backroom staff (e.g. Kinsella - his coaching superior at Walsall...:) )

Or maybe it shows that Robson is actually the man in charge and Staunton is a junior partner.

Tired&Emotional

10/01/2006, 4:08 PM

No i think the AM/coach position refers to Walsall....some might say it's bad enough getting the AM at Walsall as Irish Manager but now it turns out he's only a coach there, no??:eek:

Sorry - wasn't clear on original post

Peadar

10/01/2006, 4:09 PM

I just wanted to see if that guy would come back with a group hug icon....:)

This is the best I can do...
Also added in one for Mr. Moderator, Pete. :D

Den Perry

10/01/2006, 4:11 PM

Maybe it will be Venables and Staunton after all and my bet will be saved

geysir

10/01/2006, 4:16 PM

I think this is a huge gamble as we dont know how good Staunton will be as a manager. But it could work but its like the guy going into Paddy Power at the start of the season and betting on Alonso Scoring from his own half. Surely the appointment of an international manager should be more based on Science rather than luck. However Maybe we need a lucky general after Brian Kerr. I will be in full support of the Irish team, which I would have found hard to do under Verry Tenables.
If only there was a science for the managerial formula, (time/place/ person& team??)
It is a gamble but not a huge gamble.
Of all our ex players who were in a position to take the role imo he is the best suited with temperment, leadership, respect from the players.wide playing career.
Very little coaching experience with a 3rd level club. but going into the job with the most experienced and well respected coaches in the game.
I can take that unknown and prefer it eg to the unknown 9 month no mans land waiting for answers that Kerr did not even know what were the questions to. Like Kerr, Staunton will put every ounce of his energy into it.

Peadar

10/01/2006, 4:21 PM

Found some more for you, klein4.

geysir

10/01/2006, 4:23 PM

Or maybe it shows that Robson is actually the man in charge and Staunton is a junior partner.
Exactly my thought, Stan is dropping back a place in rank of seniority and influence already.

Den Perry

10/01/2006, 4:38 PM

was just looking at the "who would we have preferred poll" and see a bit of support for Aldridge? Once again I ask how could he have been a good choice? Fired from Tranmere not a very good point on the CV. I suppose its academic now. Looks like we're stuck with what we have

ccfcgirl

10/01/2006, 4:39 PM

Schumi

10/01/2006, 4:46 PM

Once again I ask how could he [Aldridge] have been a good choice? He wouldn't but would he be any worse a choice than Staunton?

Schlooooomp

10/01/2006, 4:55 PM

I was surprised when I heard Stan was going to be Irelands new manager.At first I was thinking bad choice but the more I think of it WHY NOT ?The man might do wonders for Ireland and Im going to give him a chance .

I think that most people here will give him a chance, or at least get behind the team, however the issue for me is why does the Ireland job have to be Staunton's first foray into management. At least Aldridge has cut his teeth with Tranmere, albeit not so successfully (cup runs aside).

I think that if Staunton takes a job with the profile of Ireland without experience then he had better prepare for criticism, whether it is on forums or in the media.

And though I have said above I will give Staunton the benefit of the doubt initially, I will not have it rammed down my throat that because he is the manager we must back him (George Bush Style).

Den Perry

10/01/2006, 4:55 PM

I was surprised when I heard Stan was going to be Irelands new manager.At first I was thinking bad choice but the more I think of it WHY NOT ?The man might do wonders for Ireland and Im going to give him a chance .

WHY NOT? because in international football we do not have the time to try our luck. Of all the candidates he was probably the worst possible selection (maybe aldridge was worse) I am not going to give him a chance. Its such an old boys club it sickens me

Delaney and Staunton will probably release a single of "Dionne Warwick's classic "Thats what friends are for"....with Quinn, Charlton, Mccarthy, mcateer, babb and the rest on backing vocals

Leinster Lim

10/01/2006, 4:57 PM

anyone is better than kerr, it was a nightmare watching us play to his instructions.

eirebhoy

10/01/2006, 6:04 PM

Steve Staunton would achieve his lifelong ambition by managing the Republic of Ireland, his father revealed tonight.

Tom Staunton was delighted his son was in line to manage the Republic after a long and distinguished international playing career.

Staunton’s appointment, which is expected later this week when he will form a managerial partnership with former England boss Bobby Robson, has also been welcomed by former players Ray Houghton and Tony Cascarino.

“He is elated, he is really, he is. He is thrilled, he is absolutely thrilled with it. He has a spring in his step again,” said Tom Staunton.

“I’m very happy for him because that was his ambition, to play football, to play for his country and eventually manage and there it is. It has happened in my lifetime so thanks be to God,” he added.

Speaking from the family home in Dundalk, Tom Staunton told RT� Radio he read the news in the papers yesterday before speaking to his son.

Mr Staunton recalled how the speculation mounted over the last few months since former manager Brian Kerr lost his job.

“It began I suppose when Brian Kerr lost his job with the FAI and speculation began as to who was going to take over, and within a few weeks his name was mentioned, and it was mentioned, and suddenly there he is,” he said.

“He’s not appointed yet, but that’s the way it seems to be going.

“He knew he was in the frame shall we say … But suddenly he is number one and it was his ambition to lead the team out for his country, that was his ambition after finishing football.”
http://www.breakingnews.ie/story.asp?j=10990228&p=yx99xz74&n=10990316&x=

So is the 1.08 on Betfair free money?

klein4

10/01/2006, 6:17 PM

Found some more for you, klein4.
best smilies ever!

Greenbod

10/01/2006, 6:30 PM

To be fair If Staunton did not support the manager, there would have been a mutiny and Irelands World Cup really would have been a shambles. Instead of Star Player sent Home/ Walks out, it woudl have been Irish team in shambles and full of infightiing. At least the players were united on the pitch and Staunton showed he was a good captain of that group of players.

This is one of the most sensible comments I've read today. Steve Staunton showed exactly where his loyalties lay, in Saipan, and on and off the pitch throughout his irish playing career. His loyalties are and were to the Ireland football team...not Roy Keane, not Mick McCarthy, not the FAI!

If he can get the mostly mediocre current Irish players playing with half of the fight, spirit and dedication to the cause as he demonstrated himself all through his career, then this will be a brilliant appointment....and I for one support him getting a chance.

Thunderblaster

10/01/2006, 6:44 PM

Steve Staunton may not sound as the option to manage Ireland, but look at Togo's record under Stephen Keshi. Never managed anybody in his life and got to the World Cup with a second rate African side. Was Nigeria's assistant manager though.

co. down green

10/01/2006, 6:58 PM

CARVER TO GET IRELAND COACHING ROLE

Bobby Robson is believed to have lined up John Carver to work with him in the new Ireland set-up.

Robson is set to be appointed Steve Staunton's assistant, with Carver taking up a coaching role.

Carver was assistant manager during Robson's five-year spell in charge of Newcastle, and was previously the club's centre of excellence director.

He is currently coaching at Leeds and is expected to continue in that role even if accepts the Irish post.

Staunton, Walsall's assistant boss, is poised to be given a four-year contract to succeed Brian Kerr, who left the post after the team failed to qualify for the World Cup finals.

However, the Football Association of Ireland has said that the appointment process for a new manager is ongoing and a announcement is not expected to be made for 10 days.

http://oneteaminireland.bravehost.com/