Staunton Ireland Manager?

[WeAreRovers]

Surely if you hate the team, you'd support a crap appointment anyway?

True, I'm torn over this one. As a fellow FAI team hater said to me this morning - "Wait and see, these fcukers will be successful" Nightmare scenario.

Stan Staunton's Green and White Army - I won't be able to sleep thinking about that one. ;)

KOH

[tiktok]

If he wanted to go with this arrangement, I don't see why he couldn't have given Robson the job for 2 years and put Staunton in as an assistant if he really had to - it's not as if he's giving up some sort of dream job by quitting Walsall!

I think this is the fundamental problem with the appointment, I think there would be fewer raised eyebrows with Robson as manager.

Delaney, after all his statements following the Kerr sacking, has nothing but egg on his face now.

By the way, any 'Star' journalists trawling through here looking for a few quotes absolutely do not have my permission to put anything I say in print!;)

[pineapple stu]

(If it's true,) it's an interesting appointment. Robson has coached at top clubs around Europe with success pretty much everywhere - FA Cup and UEFA Cup at Ipswich, World Cup q/f (where they were humourously robbed) and s/f with England, trophies at Porto, Barca, PSV, has brought through the likes of Ronaldo and is being spoken of in better terms by Newcastle fans as they see what Souness is like... He's got plenty of contacts, is generally like and respected but still has authority. Any comments that he's too old or past it are just stupid, in my opinion. Though it must be the ultimate irony that the opposition manager in our first ever World Cup and European Championship finals games against our hated rivals ends up being our own manager!

Stan...don't know where that came from though. I would imagine what the FAI are trying to do is learn from the McCarthy era - in particular, the first campaign when Mick was obviously learning the ropes at managerial level as much as at international managerial level. For some reason, the FAI must see Stan as the way forward and figure that if Robson is there for the first campaign and a bit, it'll give Stan a bit of time to progress up the learning curve, with the result that the first campaign won't suffer that much.

[Den Perry]

will youi please stop fu**** calling him Stan.....he is Staunton, son of Mick, grandson of Jack

[Hither green]

will youi please stop fu**** calling him Stan.....he is Staunton, son of Mick, grandson of Jack

At least Stan's got a good bloodline then, with 3 world cup qualifications and 1 european qualification on his family tree.

[Donal81]

If Staunton doesn't deserve the job, who should it have gone to? Please take into account those that didn't want the job like Martin O'Neill and Gus Hiddink.

To be honest, after the last campaign, I just want someone who can make these players play for Ireland as if it matters a whit to them. That's Stan's first challenge and if he can do that, that's enough for me.

Since I've been on this website, there's always been a mix of the intelligent football fan and the barstool idiot who changes his mind with each goal. That's why we're subjected to a Robbie Keane is rubbish/Robbie Keane is great thread every second day and the same for Andy Reid. It seems plenty of the barstool idiots are out in force on this particular thread.

[tiktok]

will youi please stop fu**** calling him Stan.....he is Staunton, son of Mick, grandson of Jack

Who the hell is Mick Staunton? Is Jack Staunton really Stan's grandpa?

Stu makes a good point about learning the lessons from the first McCarthy campaign, but it still raises the question on why Robson appears to be down as the #2

[Den Perry]

well i'm at work and sober so that rules me out of being a barstool idiot. Was worried there for a minute

[Macy]

I hear his mate Quinny was on the Pat Kenny show this morning giving it loads, we still have to hear from Houghton, MCCarthy, Evans, Mcateer et all
Houghton was on Morning Ireland, saying it was a great appointment by "the Republic" :rolleyes:


The role of Staunton as the senior partner however is frankly mystifying and, if I may be so bold, strikes me as an attempt in keeping the job to the 'real' Irish - no Plastics or Brits, which is basically same thing to the Irish press in reality who it seems we must all have the approval of - to the exclusion of someone with a real capacity for the job
Think you're wrong really - the Irish press slated Kerr because he didn't have English experience. They wanted a big name rent-a-quote Brit so they could relive the glory days. This appointment is all about the cheap option, and not having the balls to wait for someone decent to become available.

Finally, I'll repeat Delaney has to go. To let Kerr go and then bring in a manager of this experience is a disgrace.

[pineapple stu]

well i'm at work and sober so that rules me out of being a barstool idiot. Was worried there for a minute
Yeah, you evidently aren't on a barstool...

[tiktok]

well i'm at work and sober so that rules me out of being a barstool idiot. Was worried there for a minute

Technically that just rules out the barstool part ;) :D

[Den Perry]

IN all honesty, who here would have chosen Staunton over Venables?

[pineapple stu]

Incidentally, can we get the poll re-set (or a new one set up) as to whether people are in favour of a Robson/Staunton partnership?

[tiktok]

This appointment is all about the cheap option, and not having the balls to wait for someone decent to become available.

I heard a rumour that the combined wage for Staunton and Robson would be €750,000 p.a., that's nearly double what Kerr was paid.

[Den Perry]

and the combined age is 110

[Hither green]

IN all honesty, who here would have chosen Staunton over Venables?

I certainly wouldn't. But I probably would have chosen a Staunton/Robson combo over Venables, depending on their respective responsibilities.

[wallis]

Wallis, any chance ye could stop putting the sir in front of bobby robson when talking about him? :D

It disappears once he reaches passport control at Dublin airport Cosmo. He can pick it up again on the way out.

[gaf1983]

Mark Kinsella is a more senior member of the coaching staff at Walsall than Staunton. I think staunton just works as defensive coach.

http://www.saddlers.premiumtv.co.uk/page/WhosWhoDetail/0,,10428,00.html
(Stauntons name isnt even mentioned. He's obviously very highly regarded there! )

Fingers crossed this will just be a temporary appointment for say 6 months....

[Den Perry]

I think you are forgetting that Staunton had an assistant maanger role in Centra Dundalk when on his school holidays prior to signing for Liverpool

[stickyjoe]

IN all honesty, who here would have chosen Staunton over Venables?

Staunton/Robson without a doubt.

In fact I`d nearly go for Roddy before Venables;)

[Den Perry]

my money is on Walsall to go on an inspired run and get promoted this season

[Den Perry]

I see the yes vote is increasing .....Jack, Mcateer, Quinn and houghton must have loggen on....

[Hither green]

and the combined age is 110

and their combined IQ is 220. Whereas the combined IQ for a Staunton/Robson/Perry management combination would be 221.

[pineapple stu]

and the combined age is 110
So what?

[Dublin12]

my money is on Walsall to go on an inspired run and get promoted this season

My money is on you to have the most posts in one day.

[Stuttgart88]

Great contribution Den Perry. You've really brought a lot to this discussion.

[Den Perry]

Whats Chris Perry got to do with it?

[wallis]

Its worth bearing in mind that as a footballing nation in transition we have to look towards the future. We are always going to be paying peanuts in relation to other management jobs so we arent going to be able to cherry pick the best. SS is someone that could be groomed and he could be there for many years (performances taken into account).

Secondly we have a chance (if the rumours are true) to appoint one of the most respected managers in the world to our staff. He must have seen practically every aspect of the game from the youth set ups at PSV, to the continental styles at Barca and in Portugal , right through to the premiership and the world cup. There isnt anything in football that Bobby Robson has not been involved with. The impact he could have not only at senior level but at the way our youth teams line up could be priceless in the long run. His contacts with clubs and players worldwide and his coaching methods mean that his worth to the future of Irish football far outweighs the pittance we would be paying him.

( I dream of a Euro 2008 qualifier at Croke. 70,000 fans and Bobby and Steve shaking Svens hand after a 2-0 victory over England ;) )

[colster]

RTE news :rolleyes: said last night that Staunton is Assistant Manager at First Division Walsall. He's not even assistant - he's the defensive coach and Walsall are halfway down League One, i.e they're only about the 60th best team in England!!!

Delaney stated that he would headhunt "someone who can get the best out of the players that we have, can make tactical adjustments when required at the highest level and is committed to managing the side". I think Staunton and Uncle Sir Bobby combined might meet 2 of those 3 criteria.

If he wanted to go with this arrangement, I don't see why he couldn't have given Robson the job for 2 years and put Staunton in as an assistant if he really had to - it's not as if he's giving up some sort of dream job by quitting Walsall!

Look the papers are saying it's Staunton as the head man. I don't believe it. Robson would never accept a junior role. i reckon Robson is the main man with Staunton as assistant who'l be groomed to take over.

[klein4]

as usual when they dont have a leg to stand on the usual suspects are reduced to just abusing any poster who doesnt agree with them. shouldnt a moderator step in in what are obviously just abusive posts for the sake of it?

[Den Perry]

Klein, I agree. The vitriol to which I have been subjected as been very hurtful. I don't mind taking the abuse but when they start abusing my wife in the supermarket, its unacceptable

[colster]

Its worth bearing in mind that as a footballing nation in transition we have to look towards the future. We are always going to be paying peanuts in relation to other management jobs so we arent going to be able to cherry pick the best. SS is someone that could be groomed and he could be there for many years (performances taken into account).

Secondly we have a chance (if the rumours are true) to appoint one of the most respected managers in the world to our staff. He must have seen practically every aspect of the game from the youth set ups at PSV, to the continental styles at Barca and in Portugal , right through to the premiership and the world cup. There isnt anything in football that Bobby Robson has not been involved with. The impact he could have not only at senior level but at the way our youth teams line up could be priceless in the long run. His contacts with clubs and players worldwide and his coaching methods mean that his worth to the future of Irish football far outweighs the pittance we would be paying him.

( I dream of a Euro 2008 qualifier at Croke. 70,000 fans and Bobby and Steve shaking Svens hand after a 2-0 victory over England ;) )

Totally agree.

[Stuttgart88]

as usual when they dont have a leg to stand on the usual suspects are reduced to just abusing any poster who doesnt agree with them.

Not sure who you're referring to but I'm always happy to engage is reasoned debate with anyone whether I agree with him or not.

[klein4]

I'm referring to to the I.Q one.
we are only one step away from hair pulling and wedgies.:rolleyes:

[Schlooooomp]

If Venabless had been appointed to the manager's post it would have made it very hard for me to go to Landsdowne (though I still would). He is just after the money, I read somewhere yesterday that he was disappointed that the FAI never contacted him. I remember last year when Venables was asked about the job, he said that he would not apply but he was interested in the FAI contacting him. Arrogant b@stard, he is not in as much demand as he thinks he is..

As for Robson/Staunton combination, it smacks of desperation on the part of Delaney, he is using Robson as a face saving tactic, nobody can question Robson's experience as a coach at the top level. However, if he does not have any decision making powers, why are we employing him. The best way this can work out is if Robson is in charge for 2 years and groom Staunton to be his successor (I know that this has been mentiioned in previous posts, which I am in agreement with).

Anybody can turn around in 2 years time and refer us back to their posts about how they always knew this combination would be successful (if we are successsful) but the point at this stage is that Steve Staunton does not have the required experience to manage the senior Irish team.

[Peadar]

( I dream of a Euro 2008 qualifier at Croke. 70,000 fans and Bobby and Steve shaking Svens hand after a 2-0 victory over England ;) )

You don't half talk some rubbish, wallis!

There's not a hope in hell that Sven will still have a job after the summer. :D

[colster]

If Venabless had been appointed to the manager's post it would have made it very hard for me to go to Landsdowne (though I still would). He is just after the money, I read somewhere yesterday that he was disappointed that the FAI never contacted him. I remember last year when Venables was asked about the job, he said that he would not apply but he was interested in the FAI contacting him. Arrogant b@stard, he is not in as much demand as he thinks he is..

As for Robson/Staunton combination, it smacks of desperation on the part of Delaney, he is using Robson as a face saving tactic, nobody can question Robson's experience as a coach at the top level. However, if he does not have any decision making powers, why are we employing him. The best way this can work out is if Robson is in charge for 2 years and groom Staunton to be his successor (I know that this has been mentiioned in previous posts, which I am in agreement with).

Anybody can turn around in 2 years time and refer us back to their posts about how they always knew this combination would be successful (if we are successsful) but the point at this stage is that Steve Staunton does not have the required experience to manage the senior Irish team.

Don't believe the papers. I reckon it's Robson as manager with Staunton as assistant. I can't see Robson taking a junior role.

[Den Perry]

Do any of you think that this could be a red herring?

[ranting rover]

No-one here knows for sure what the combo is. All we know is that Staunton seems a cert and Robson is more than likely. But we don't know in what capacity. Only a rumour mill. And the press coverage reflects what we 'know'. so:

Staunton/Robson
Robson/Staunton

Who knows? I don't. The Press don't. No-one here does. So until someone in a position to do so categorically announces the relationship everyone should hold judgement and stop spouting rubbish.

AND, I'd imagine that Robson will not be an 'assistant', his role is that of 'mentor'. The distinction is very important.

[gufct]

I have great time for Stan and wish him well but it just goes to show what an egotistical man JD is.All the spouting about scouring the world for the right man etc. seems very hollow now.

The press have been lead a merry dance and yesterday shows the FAI is still leaking like a sieve.

[Hither green]

I'm referring to to the I.Q one.
we are only one step away from hair pulling and wedgies.:rolleyes:

Yes but they're really difficult on the internet. We clearly need to expand the Smilies.

What about Mick and Jack? Who's going to protect their honour? :)

[klein4]

are you not contradicting yourself in your own post there?
saying nobody knows what the combination will be and then saying robson will deffo be the mentor.

[colster]

I have great time for Stan and wish him well but it just goes to show what an egotistical man JD is.All the spouting about scouring the world for the right man etc. seems very hollow now.

The press have been lead a merry dance and yesterday shows the FAI is still leaking like a sieve.

Maybe the leak if any came from the Staunton side.

[lopez]

Think you're wrong really - the Irish press slated Kerr because he didn't have English experience. They wanted a big name rent-a-quote Brit so they could relive the glory days. This appointment is all about the cheap option, and not having the balls to wait for someone decent to become available.Not privvy to the Irish tabloids here in Andalucia so I'll take your word on that. However it was clear that Kerr was a favourite last time ahead of some better qualified in the Premiership stakes and with regards to Mick. Same when Jack took over. As for waiting, well that's like shooting at Mars. Euro 08 kicks off in less than 9 months time.

So what?I think Perry's on about Snowflake's ability to count the money, not just earn it.

[Den Perry]

yES HE SHOULD BE SACKED FOR LEAKING.....LIKE HIS DEFENCE WILL BE SOON ENOUGH

[Hither green]

The rumours are describing Robson as some sort of consultant to the FAI - which would be a strange @rse about face way of doing things. If he's some sort of director of football (an Irish Howard Wilkinson - God forbid) shouldn't he have been involved in Staunton's appointment?

[pineapple stu]

AND, I'd imagine that Robson will not be an 'assistant', his role is that of 'mentor'. The distinction is very important.
True. Think it's being overlooked though. Stan may be number 1, but that doesn't necessarily mean Robson is no 2.

[NeilMcD]

I think this is a huge gamble as we dont know how good Staunton will be as a manager. But it could work but its like the guy going into Paddy Power at the start of the season and betting on Alonso Scoring from his own half. Surely the appointment of an international manager should be more based on Science rather than luck. However Maybe we need a lucky general after Brian Kerr. I will be in full support of the Irish team, which I would have found hard to do under Verry Tenables. But I would not say I am overjoyed by the appointment. But silly comments bout where Staunton is from, his accent, the tone of his voice, his relationship with Roy Keane, or Bobby Robsons, age or mixing up players names, are silly comments which contribute little to intelligent debate.

[pineapple stu]

If he's some sort of director of football (an Irish Howard Wilkinson - God forbid) shouldn't he have been involved in Staunton's appointment?
I assume it's hardly a surprise to him though. If he doesn't rate Staunton, he doesn't have to take the job. But it appears he is, so he must be happy doing so.

[pete]

yES HE SHOULD BE SACKED FOR LEAKING.....LIKE HIS DEFENCE WILL BE SOON ENOUGH

I agree. Delaney has failed with Plan A (Martin O'Neill) & no Plan B.

Appointing someone with no management & basic coaching experience is pathetic.

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