Staunton Ireland Manager?

[Stuttgart88]

Hopefully Delaney will get a grilling at the Press Conference if he even attends. He cited as a requirement of the job the ability to react tactically during a game. In fact everything Delaney said around the time of Kerr's dismissal should be thrown back at him for him to justify.

I'm still glad Kerr's gone though.

[klein4]

I would be surprised if it is thrown back it him. he seems to get a very easy ride off the media.

[Greenbod]

Well he has never been a manager before so I dont know where they would have found evidence of this how good a tactician he is during top class matches and when the pressure is on . Maybe they sat him down in front of Championship Manager and asked him to take over the Irish team and see how he does. In fact I would not be suprised if that was the interview process for the Ireland job.

So you don't know.

[Hither green]

Yes, but a motivated team of averagely talented players, stands a better chance than an unmotivated team of averagely talented players. The pick of players will be the same regardless of the manager. And what evidence have you got that Staunton is not tactically proficient?

I've got grave reservations about this appointment but trying to look on the bright side I generally agree with you. The team will largely pick itself and what you want from a manager is the ability to bring through new players; tactical skills and motivational skills. Kerr did precious little to bring through new players and his motivational skills were questionable. There's just one big question mark with Staunton, but if he can motivate the players then he's one up on Kerr and we'll hve to see about tactics and the rest. [Hey Peadar any chance of a smilie with its fingers crossed?] :)

[Peadar]

And what evidence have you got that Staunton is not tactically proficient?

You're got this arse ways, Greenbod. In order to get the job, Staunton should have shown evidence that he is tactically proficient. I don't need proof that he isn't, the proof is that he has never shown he is.

It doesn't matter how you dress this up, Delaney cited reasons for sacking Kerr and has gone on to hire a novice with no proven ability in this type of role, at any level.

[NeilMcD]

I never said he was bad tactically but my point is that it is the wrong way around. YOu should know that they are good before you appoint them. Its not up to the supporters to find out examples that they are bad tactically. It should be obvious that they are good tactially before they even get the job.

[Den Perry]

Does anybody think there is a possibility that it won't be staunton and robson? are there doubts creeping in? if so his father will look like a right clown

[NeilMcD]

FAI interview Proces


Delaney Hello Stan how are you. So you are intersted in the Ireland job. Would you a be a good fella there now and turn on the computer


Staunton No Bother ( turns on Computer and loads up the disc he is given)


Delaney Now Stan as you have no experience of a top class side or to be honest of any side we would like you to take charge of Ireland on Championship Manager 05. This should give us an insight into your tactical knowledge and also help you getting to know the players strengths and weakness.


Staunton: No Bother


Staunton goes on to qualify for Euro 2008 during the all day CM 05 Session


Delaney Well done Stan, you have qualified for Euro 2008 and now you have the Ireland job. Can you start in March and just in case you f%ck up Bobby Robson is going to help you out


Staunton No Bother.

[Stuttgart88]

to digress a little: any RTE or 2FM radio or coverage on all this tonight, or any other night? I can get RTE radio through my TV package. Isn't there a comprehensive sports round-up on Friday evenings?

[Hither green]

Does anybody think there is a possibility that it won't be staunton and robson? are there doubts creeping in? if so his father will look like a right clown

You've asked that several times now, in desperation perhaps?

[NeilMcD]

Dan I told you earlier, Cathal Dervan was on the Hub last night. He was speaking to Staunton and Delaney and he said that next week there will be a press conference on Monday and that Staunton will be unveiled as Ireland manager. They told him to go onto the show and say this. I think thats as much of a done deal as possible. The only delay is to tie up a few loose ends etc.

[Jerry The Saint]

Cascarino says in his article today that it was Whelan. Now either you are wrong, cascarino is wrong or else that Staunton regularly went around telling players to **** off when they bossed him about.

I remember reading an interview where Staunton said that Alan Hansen made him cry on a number of occasions when he first joined Liverpool. Apparently Hansen regularly tormented youngsters who were new to the job and lacking in confidence. The idea was that it would force them out of their shell, as it seemed to do with Staunton (alternatively it could make them quit in despair:( ).

What I'm saying is that the FAI should have appointed Hansen as mentor/advisor - "That's absolutely terrible management, Stan. You have to say you'll be very disappointed with that sh!te." Even if it didn't work it would make for some excellent press conferences! :)

[wallis]

(sorry for posting this twice )

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I dont have access to it (seeing as I live in England), but Ive been told by a mate of mine that Paul Hyland has wrote an article claiming that SS might not get the job due to media and fans pressure.

It also states that for SS to get the position he must be voted on by the 10 man committee and this looks to be uncertain

Can anyone confirm this or am I being wound up ?

[wallis]

Oh , and I know its been asked before but does anyone know if he DOES have the coaching qualifications for the job. Im assuming he must do, but on the other hand does he need them ? Do you need UEFA badges to coach international teams ?

[tetsujin1979]

to digress a little: any RTE or 2FM radio or coverage on all this tonight, or any other night? I can get RTE radio through my TV package. Isn't there a comprehensive sports round-up on Friday evenings?
Newstalk 106 have a podcast from Off The Ball (nightly sports show) on their website - www.newstalk106.ie - you'll need a podcast listener (I use iTunes) to subscribe to it. Updated daily.
It's about 30 minutes of talk on the main issues of the day, right now it's all Staunton.

[pete]

The only upshot of this whole mess is that will be absolutely zero expectations for 2008 qualifiers. However bad Stan does no one will be surprised.

If I knew zero experience & no evidence of tactical ineptitude were the requirements for the Ireland job then we'd all have applied & qualified.

[pete]

This says it all...

[Karlos]

Oh , and I know its been asked before but does anyone know if he DOES have the coaching qualifications for the job. Im assuming he must do, but on the other hand does he need them ? Do you need UEFA badges to coach international teams ?

I've discussed this on another thread before. You are not required to have the UEFA pro licence to coach at International Level as you are in the Premier League. As far as I know Staunton does have some UEFA qualifications (possibly UEFA B or A) just not the pro licence. UEFA are in the process of trying to make this mandatory for International Coaches but run into issues with the likes of Faroe Islands, liechtenstein where the assocaition may not have a ready supply of UEFA Pro licencee's or the finances to pay one.

As a benchmark however in Europe almost all of the countires will ask their candidates to have that qualification. I'm nearly sure Voller and Rijkaard had it but not sure on Klinsmann and as far as I can remember Hughes got it while coach of Wales however he did have Eddie Nezinski (can never spell or pronounce it), current Blackburn Assistant and Former Arsenal Reserve Team coach on his staff who as far as i know is a pro licence holder. It's possible that all of these first time managers had pro-licence coaches on their staff and achieved the grade themselves during this time of their reign. International Football is probably the easiest place to get this what with having the time to complete that course inbetween national games. As far as I know, Bobby Robson has been one of the assessors on the pro-course, along with the likes of Andy Roxburgh, Guy Roux etc so that might be our experience there straight away.

[WeAreRovers]

I dont have access to it (seeing as I live in England), but Ive been told by a mate of mine that Paul Hyland has wrote an article claiming that SS might not get the job due to media and fans pressure.

It also states that for SS to get the position he must be voted on by the 10 man committee and this looks to be uncertain

Can anyone confirm this or am I being wound up ?

That's about the size of it. as I posted earlier, they quite deliberately leaked the news to gauge public and media reaction so expect a change of heart and Venables/Rainieri/Alf Ramsay to be appointed.

To quote Cathal Dervan - "The FAI have a very good PR team" :D

KOH

[wallis]

Thank you for that.

Karlos , excellent reply cheers

[geysir]

I've discussed this on another thread before. You are not required to have the UEFA pro licence to coach at International Level as you are in the Premier League. As far as I know Staunton does have some UEFA qualifications (possibly UEFA B or A) just not the pro licence.
It was reported that Mc Donald has the pro license.
There are enough diploma's,badges and trophies on this possible managerial team to fill the dressing room.

[FarBeag]

Maybe its old news but Staunton has parted company with Walsall so it looks like the job is his.

[onenilgameover]

The fact that the FAI is allowing all of this speculation over the exact roles etc. is the biggest shambles of all. Having been positive because I assumed Robson's role would be significant I'm reserving further judgment until the FAI spells out the facts. It's a ****ing shambles and disrespectful to all concerned.


Fair point....it needs to come to an end but the fai couldnt give a **** their rep is already in taters.

[blutil]

best thing to come out of this ->

http://www.cafepress.com/irelandsoccer.43983358 from here (http://www.cafepress.com/irelandsoccer)

[Closed Account 2]

I tought it was going to be Sean O'Driscoll, currently at Bournemouth

[Stuttgart88]

When I did a google search for John Carver on Tuesday to see his CV it displayed who he did his coaching licences with. Sean O'Driscoll was one. Kevin Sheedy another.

[eirebhoy]

I just seen an ad on Setanta saying they'll show the Press Conference live on Monday.

[Superhoops]

I just seen an ad on Setanta saying they'll show the Press Conference live on Monday.
Steve Staunton - Manager
Kevin McDonald - Assistant Manager/Coach
Alan Kelly - Goalkeeping Coach
Bobby Robson - Technical Consultant

[nedder]

Although not my first choice by a long shot for manager, I'll support Stan 100%
I suppose i'm hopeful ( rather than confident)and kinda excited about a new set up.
I think Bobby Robson will be a big help to Stan.
I'm prerared to stick my neck on the line here, but if I was to bet on Staunton being considered success or failure, I'm saying success.

[Stuttgart88]

fair play nedder.

Trwaling the press online this morning I thought the UK's Telegraph summarised things best (in a wittily headlined article "Stan Must Earn his Laurels"):

Despite being his country's most-capped international with 102, his appointment, with Robson as his assistant - to be confirmed on Monday - has been greeted with more grief than glee in Ireland. Most of the criticism has been directed at the Football Association of Ireland (FAI) rather than the management team. Having sacked Brian Kerr for failing to ensure World Cup qualification, the FAI have taken three months to appoint a pair who would have been available immediately.

The general feeling is that it should have been a reverse appointment, with the inexperienced Staunton (36), player-assistant coach to Paul Merson at Walsall, learning from Robson (72), whose first stint in management was in 1968 with Fulham, a few months before Staunton was born.

As I maintain, it's not so much the quality of the appointments, which in hindsight is as good or bad as we could have expected, it's the manner of the appointments whick irks me.

I'm still grateful it's not Venables, and also O'Leary who is a self-serving spoofer of the highest order.

[eirebhoy]

Bobby Robson - Technical Consultant
I heard Robson will also be scouting.

[Stuttgart88]

Can anyone tell me who manages each of the top, say 20, ranked teams in the world? How many are (a) paid better than at club level and (b) would be considered as "elite" managers? Many are local FA yes men or technocrats., or ex-players with little experience I'd speculate.

Dave O'Leary made his views on club vs international management well known. He's hardly going to be alone.

[horney]

Holy god. So Staunton is the result of the FAI headhunt ??? We'll be a laughing stock. And that bloody accent he has.......oh god.
your bloody right bobby i see you made it home from cyprus alright and the draw for the euro's is on soon we should get some good trips with a bit of luck dublin brian................

[Tired&Emotional]

Although not my first choice by a long shot for manager, I'll support Stan 100%
I suppose i'm hopeful ( rather than confident)and kinda excited about a new set up.
I think Bobby Robson will be a big help to Stan.
I'm prerared to stick my neck on the line here, but if I was to bet on Staunton being considered success or failure, I'm saying success.


My sentiments exactly! I hope the duality of the set up will be the exception rather than the rule and work in perfect harmony;)

[Tired&Emotional]

I think Stan will be fine after all he has Mr Miyagi looking over his shoulder wherever he goes.......:D :D

(upper left in photo beside camara lens!)

http://www.rte.ie/sport/2006/0113/ireland.html

[pete]

I cannot accept this appointment as nothing positive about it at all. Qualification for 2008 is now gone so its a training period for Stan. The fact they have given him a 4 year contract means the FAI will wipe next 2 years off as learning experience no matter how bad.

[Jerry The Saint]

Food for thought for the FAI (and El Tel's cheerleaders in the media) :)

[pineapple stu]

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[Scram]

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[paul_oshea]

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They should now be barred from having input into the Ireland forum. Only sensible, logical people like myself should be allowed post. Oh well I suppose we want some sort of debate ;)

[youngirish]

They should now be barred from having input into the Ireland forum. Only sensible, logical people like myself should be allowed post. Oh well I suppose we want some sort of debate ;)

I think they should be barred from co-existing with other people and exiled to a desolate wasteland far away from known civilisation (Cork) their error was of such great magnitude.