Palestinian Israeli Conflict.

[CraftyToePoke]

ICC Arrest Warrant for Netanyahu & Gallant.
Criminally responsible for crimes against humanity & war crimes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly2exvx944o

[joey B]

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America’s descent into rogue state status continues,Lindsey Graham a complete scumbag …..

[joey B]

Fair play to Israel for staying right on brand and responding to Syrians freeing themselves of Assad by invading Syria a bit more to create a buffer zone for the buffer zone! and bombing the s**t out of them ….

[seanfhear]

Fair play to Israel for staying right on brand and responding to Syrians freeing themselves of Assad by invading Syria a bit more to create a buffer zone for the buffer zone! and bombing the s**t out of them ….
They are consistent ~ Then it is easy to be consistent when you have America's consistent backing !

[osarusan]

Israel closing their embassy in Dublin. Very petulant.

[dahamsta]

Good riddance.

[Neish]

Ceasefire deal agreed. Its great for the people of Gaza but I can't help thinking Nethanyahu & the Israeli state will just wait for the Trump admin to get up and running them look for any minuscule infraction on the deal to restart the onslaught

[pineapple stu]

Well - not quite yet (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gaza-ceasefire-deal-hamas-hostages-netanyahu-live-news-b2680722.html)...


Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has accused Hamas of backtracking on the ceasefire deal and stated that his Cabinet will not meet to approve the agreement until the group backs down from what his office called a “last-minute crisis”.

But yeah - I'm not sure what's going to be so different this time around alright

[John83]

I heard this discussed on radio on the way into work this morning - RTE one, I think - that Israeli bombing since they agreed the ceasefire has killed 70 Palestinians. The ceasefire is supposed to come into effect on Sunday. They also discribed the disagreement as Palestine wants to name which Palestinian prisoners get released in the quid pro quo, and Israel doesn't agree to that.

[The Fly]

Ceasefire deal agreed. Its great for the people of Gaza but I can't help thinking Nethanyahu & the Israeli state will just wait for the Trump admin to get up and running them look for any minuscule infraction on the deal to restart the onslaught
The incoming Trump presidency is probably the main reason or factor for why a ceasefire has been agreed at this point.

[seanfhear]

The incoming Trump presidency is probably the main reason or factor for why a ceasefire has been agreed at this point.Should President Donald J Trump get the Nobel Peace Prize for this ~ After-all Barack Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize for doing sweet fanny adams at the time !

[Neish]

The incoming Trump presidency is probably the main reason or factor for why a ceasefire has been agreed at this point.

Is this the same guy who just signed an order rescinding the restrictions & sanctions on Israel for allowing illegal settlements to be built on land belonging to Palestinian families?

[The Fly]

Is this the same guy who just signed an order rescinding the restrictions & sanctions on Israel for allowing illegal settlements to be built on land belonging to Palestinian families?
Yeah.

[Neish]

Yeah.

And now is big plan is to simply move all Palestinians out of Gaza, basically giving Nethnyahu exactly what he has wanted all along

[pineapple stu]

In a completely unrelated move, Trump has also announced he's cutting all US foreign aid except to Israel and Turkey. (Not sure why Turkey TBH)

The world sits by and watches the ethnic cleansing continue...

[John83]

And now is big plan is to simply move all Palestinians out of Gaza, basically giving Nethnyahu exactly what he has wanted all along
"Clean out" Gaza was the quote about his notion of ethnic clensing.

[The Fly]

And now is big plan is to simply move all Palestinians out of Gaza, basically giving Nethnyahu exactly what he has wanted all along
It's still the same guy.

[culloty82]

In a completely unrelated move, Trump has also announced he's cutting all US foreign aid except to Israel and Turkey. (Not sure why Turkey TBH)

The world sits by and watches the ethnic cleansing continue...

Turkey is currently involved in a military campaign against the autonomous Kurdish government in Northern Syria, largely in order to prevent their own Kurds getting similar notions.

[pineapple stu]

So the Israelis today started bombing the West Bank.

But this is so perfectly normal - they're just like us after all.

Given the absolute state of Gaza and Trump's comments that the place needs to be cleared out, this could genuinely end in complete ethnic cleansing.

And no sanctions whatsoever.

Utter, utter scumbags

[seanfhear]

So the Israelis today started bombing the West Bank.

But this is so perfectly normal - they're just like us after all.

Given the absolute state of Gaza and Trump's comments that the place needs to be cleared out, this could genuinely end in complete ethnic cleansing.

And no sanctions whatsoever.

Utter, utter scumbags
What did Hamas expect to happen after October 7th ~ ~ I could have told you what would happen, if Hamas or anyone els for that matter did something like October 7th !

I don't support anything that Israel does ( why would I, or any Irish person )

You can be freedom fighters / terrorists ~ ~ What you can't be, is stupid freedom fighters / stupid terrorists ! !

[The Fly]

What did Hamas expect to happen after October 7th ~ ~ I could have told you what would happen, if Hamas or anyone els for that matter did something like October 7th !

I don't support anything that Israel does ( why would I, or any Irish person )

You can be freedom fighters / terrorists ~ ~ What you can't be, is stupid freedom fighters / stupid terrorists ! !
Well it's pretty safe to assume that they didn't expect the Israeli government to react in the way that it has. If they did then Hamas is essentially an armed doomsday cult.

In reacting the way it has though Israel lost any (or most) of the sympathy it had gained in the immediate aftermath of October 7th.

I fear the whole thing's too far gone now. It's pretty much insolvable at this point.

[seanfhear]

Well it's pretty safe to assume that they didn't expect Israeli government to react in the way that it did.

In reacting the way it has Israel lost any (or most) of the sympathy it had gained in the immediate aftermath of October 7th.

I fear the whole thing's too far gone now. It's pretty much insolvable at this point.
Israel does not care about the reactions of other countries ( bar America ) and certainly not about the reactions of people around the world.

I knew and understood this before October 7th ~ ~ Surely Hamas and Israel's other enemies would know this as well !

I don't support Israel in any way what-so-ever ~ ~ But I knew what they would do if anybody attacked them, like they were attacked on October 7th.

[The Fly]

Israel does not care about the reactions of other countries ( bar America ) and certainly not about the reactions of people around the world.
It may not care, but that's not without consequences in the long term.



I knew and understood this before October 7th ~ ~ Surely Hamas and Israel's other enemies would know this as well !

I don't support Israel in any way what-so-ever ~ ~ But I knew what they would do if anybody attacked them, like they were attacked on October 7th.
I think in many cases people can just be too close to something to things clearly, just like being too detached from something has, or can have, the same effect. Perhaps this was the case with Hamas, but we'll probably never know at this point. There aren't many left to tell the tale.

The whole thing's just incredibly sad.

[Neish]

What did Hamas expect to happen after October 7th ~ ~ I could have told you what would happen, if Hamas or anyone els for that matter did something like October 7th !

I don't support anything that Israel does ( why would I, or any Irish person )

You can be freedom fighters / terrorists ~ ~ What you can't be, is stupid freedom fighters / stupid terrorists ! !

I'm sure Hamas expected and probably wanted a reaction to justify their fanatical cause, but not the killing of over 60k and almost total destruction of Gaza City. I find is ludicrous how you keep saying your not supporting Israel yet continually finding excuse for their atrocities or attempting to shift blame. Also find i bizarre how I regularly see it said (not specifically by you or here) the one of Hamas's manifesto points is the destruction of the Israeli state and this being used to justify Israel's action, yet Israel is actually doing just to the people of Palestine yet still somehow Israel is the good guy and buddy of the west

[seanfhear]

I'm sure Hamas expected and probably wanted a reaction to justify their fanatical cause, but not the killing of over 60k and almost total destruction of Gaza City. I find is ludicrous how you keep saying your not supporting Israel yet continually finding excuse for their atrocities or attempting to shift blame. Also find i bizarre how I regularly see it said (not specifically by you or here) the one of Hamas's manifesto points is the destruction of the Israeli state and this being used to justify Israel's action, yet Israel is actually doing just to the people of Palestine yet still somehow Israel is the good guy and buddy of the westI have zero time for Israel ( none / nada / nil )

I am just pointing out that I knew what Israel would do, if any of their enemies did anything like October 7th ~ ~ Now, if I can work this out ~ ~ Shouldn't Israel's enemies be able to work it out ! ! !

[tetsujin1979]

I think you should use more tildas and exclamation points.
You know, for the greater good

[seanfhear]

I think you should use more tildas and exclamation points.
You know, for the greater goodI'm rumbled !

[SkStu]

I think you should use more tildas and exclamation points.
You know, for the greater good

I've been spending time browsing YBIG for the last couple of weeks and im chuffed that i got this :D :D

By the way - whatever about the wrongs of October 7th, what Israel has done in response over the last year and a half is disgraceful. Scum.

[CraftyToePoke]

I spotted him too. Before tets outed him.

That ~ is visible at 100 yards in heavy fog. No point having a different username at all seanfhear :D

[seanfhear]

I spotted him too. Before tets outed him.

That ~ is visible at 100 yards in heavy fog. No point having a different username at all seanfhear :DTo be honest ~ ~ I registered there a long time ago under a different user name but forgot the details ~ ~ Re-registering now was a spur of the moment thing ~ ~ I thought I probably wouldn't even post but kinda got sucked in ( slowly ) ~ ~ Do I have to, turn myself in at a Garda Barracks now ? !

[pineapple stu]

Good on you forcing the lurkers to out themselves :p

[SkStu]

I still havent identified Razors Left Peg's handle over there... ;)

[Razors left peg]

I still havent identified Razors Left Peg's handle over there... ;)

Hey how did I end up getting dragged into this LOL

[The Fly]

The incoming Trump presidency is probably the main reason or factor for why a ceasefire has been agreed at this point.
Update: I’m not sure whether the ceasefire will survive his latest statements.

[pineapple stu]

Today's news is that Trump wants the US to take over the Gaza Strip in full. Bordering countries can take in the Palestinians. There's some lovely real estate apparently - a real redevelopment opportunity. For Trump's property developer son-in-law of course.

mark12345's offence at the comparisons between Trump and Hitler seem a little bit less valid today. He's just helping those poor misunderstood Israelis get some Lebensaum after all - and making some cash while at it. What's wrong with that?

[Dermobohs]

Trump and Netanyahu are nothing short of nazis.

[nigel-harps1954]

It's almost as if half the world saw this coming from a mile out. Trump is no better than any other warmongering criminal, he just waited for someone else to do the majority of the dirty work before he stepped in to finish it off.

It's utterly disgusting and everyone just sits back and watches it happen

[seanfhear]

Not saying that any of what the, Israelis / America / Trump, are doing saying re; Gaza is right ~ ~ But the stupidity of Hamas opened the doors for them !

[pineapple stu]

I think you're getting uncomfortably close to saying "I don't agree with rape, but her stupidity in wearing a mini-skirt opened the doors for it"

Now granted what Hamas committed in October 2023 was murder and a fairly nasty crime, whereas wearing a mini-skirt isn't (although Hamas might disagree actually) so the analogy does fall down there. But it's still close enough to warrant calling out.

(I also don't think you can say Hamas knew in Oct 2023 that Trump would be re-elected and would have ethnic cleansing on his portfolio)

[seanfhear]

I think you're getting uncomfortably close to saying "I don't agree with rape, but her stupidity in wearing a mini-skirt opened the doors for it"

Now granted what Hamas committed in October 2023 was murder and a fairly nasty crime, whereas wearing a mini-skirt isn't (although Hamas might disagree actually) so the analogy does fall down there. But it's still close enough to warrant calling out.

(I also don't think you can say Hamas knew in Oct 2023 that Trump would be re-elected and would have ethnic cleansing on his portfolio)It matters not whether Donald Trump was elected ~ ~ America does what America does ( especially in foreign affairs matters ) pretty much regardless of who is American President.

The PIRA could have blown up British Air-Liners ~ ~ Killed hundreds in " Spectaculars " in the UK even in the 26 Counties ~ ~ The PIRA never did this, because they knew they and their cause would be crushed in to oblivion if they had done so.

Hamas for what-ever reasons did not have the intelligence to Not go too far ! ~ ~ I could have told you what would happen to, GAZA / Palestinian Cause, as soon as October 7th happened.

It may Not be very nice to have an understanding of these things, and the way they will play out ~ But reality is reality all the same !

[tetsujin1979]

It matters not whether Donald Trump was elected ~ ~ America does what America does ( especially in foreign affairs matters ) pretty much regardless of who is American President.
True, but I can't imagine any other President claiming that that Gaza strip will be beautiful beach front property./


The PIRA could have blown up British Air-Liners ~ ~ Killed hundreds in " Spectaculars " in the UK even in the 26 Counties ~ ~ The PIRA never did this, because they knew they and their cause would be crushed in to oblivion if they had done so.

Hamas for what-ever reasons did not have the intelligence to Not go too far ! ~ ~ I could have told you what would happen to, GAZA / Palestinian Cause, as soon as October 7th happened.

It may Not be very nice to have an understanding of these things, and the way they will play out ~ But reality is reality all the same !
Nobody could have predicted what has happened since those attacks.

[SkStu]

Look, I know I am (likely) naively trying to see some sort of silver lining here but is there a chance that his thinking here is that he provokes a reaction from the main players in the region to come to the table for once and for all to sort the problem out? He says "I can get Benji in line, what can you do with Hamas/Hezbollah?". If it is what he wants to do, it is obviously high risk of failure (Netanyahu is another psycho and, lets be honest, a million times more reprehensible than Trump). I dont think Trump has any true expansionist objectives - but I think we know that his typical approach to things is to provoke and then look for the deal once he has peoples attention. On the flip side, there is the possibility that he truly does think an occupation of Gaza (and other resource laden sh!tholes like Canada) fits his America First mandate. I don't know that I see it though. It's f*cked up whatever it is.

[seanfhear]

True, but I can't imagine any other President claiming that that Gaza strip will be beautiful beach front property./


Nobody could have predicted what has happened since those attacks.
I am Not in the least bit surprised by what Israel has done in GAZA / To the Palestinians ~ ~ I suggest that Israel were just waiting for the " " opportunity " " !

I have been a student of what went on in the Six Counties for all my life ~ ~ The scale was smaller but it gives you an insight as to the debts either side is willing to go to.

Obviously ~ I have also been a keen observer of what has gone on with the Palestinians and the Israelis ~ ~ The horrors do not surprise me.

[Real ale Madrid]

Today's news is that Trump wants the US to take over the Gaza Strip in full. Bordering countries can take in the Palestinians. There's some lovely real estate apparently - a real redevelopment opportunity. For Trump's property developer son-in-law of course.


He surely went on a solo run there - I doubt he said that to anyone beforehand. Naziyahu even seemed a bit taken aback!

[Razors left peg]

He surely went on a solo run there - I doubt he said that to anyone beforehand. Naziyahu even seemed a bit taken aback!

He had said something similar a few weeks ago.

[The Fly]

Today's news is that Trump wants the US to take over the Gaza Strip in full. Bordering countries can take in the Palestinians. There's some lovely real estate apparently - a real redevelopment opportunity. For Trump's property developer son-in-law of course.

mark12345's offence at the comparisons between Trump and Hitler seem a little bit less valid today. He's just helping those poor misunderstood Israelis get some Lebensaum after all - and making some cash while at it. What's wrong with that?
Slight tangent here but I hate it when Hitler comparisons are trotted out in such debates. It's a thought-terminating cliché.


It matters not whether Donald Trump was elected ~ ~ America does what America does ( especially in foreign affairs matters ) pretty much regardless of who is American President.

The PIRA could have blown up British Air-Liners ~ ~ Killed hundreds in " Spectaculars " in the UK even in the 26 Counties ~ ~ The PIRA never did this, because they knew they and their cause would be crushed in to oblivion if they had done so.

Hamas for what-ever reasons did not have the intelligence to Not go too far ! ~ ~ I could have told you what would happen to, GAZA / Palestinian Cause, as soon as October 7th happened.

It may Not be very nice to have an understanding of these things, and the way they will play out ~ But reality is reality all the same !
Have you also considered that it's perhaps not a smart thing to expect rationality from people who have lived under such conditions for such a long time?


True, but I can't imagine any other President claiming that that Gaza strip will be beautiful beach front property./
As remarkable as it sounds, I actually think Trump views (or partially views) the whole thing as real-estate problem.


Nobody could have predicted what has happened since those attacks.
This is where I'm more inclined to agree with Sean. Whilst you could say that no one could've predicted the extent of the devastation...it was always likely that the response would be something terrible. I watched some of the now infamous footage of the attacks and it was like something out of the Walking Dead.

[The Fly]

Today's news is that Trump wants the US to take over the Gaza Strip in full. Bordering countries can take in the Palestinians. There's some lovely real estate apparently - a real redevelopment opportunity. For Trump's property developer son-in-law of course.

mark12345's offence at the comparisons between Trump and Hitler seem a little bit less valid today. He's just helping those poor misunderstood Israelis get some Lebensaum after all - and making some cash while at it. What's wrong with that?
It’s hard to stomach but his shameless ‘Art of the Deal’ style of politics has probably spurred this on -

Arab leaders approve $53bn alternative to Trump's Gaza plan https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjd32xyjg4eo

[seanfhear]

It’s hard to stomach but his shameless ‘Art of the Deal’ style of politics seems to have produced the result he no doubt wanted -

Arab leaders approve $53bn alternative to Trump's Gaza plan https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjd32xyjg4eoInteresting.

[Snapshot]

I still havent identified Razors Left Peg's handle over there... ;)


Hey how did I end up getting dragged into this LOL

If Winter comes, can Spring be far behind?

[Razors left peg]

If Winter comes, can Spring be far behind?

Ya what now?