Republic of Ireland V Latvia - Wednesday, 22nd March 2023 - Friendly

[SkStu]

(Tets - feel free to merge into any upcoming threads for the Latvia/France games)

So, its been a fairly exciting few months for a number of players at their clubs. Seeing a few positive signs in the Championship and League One, not to mention Ferguson's breakthrough in the PL. Who is playing themselves in and who is on the way out? Who do we think Kenny has to call up this go around?

Here's my take...

Keepers
Last Squad: Bazunu, Kelleher, Travers
Potential Changes: none

Defenders
Last Squad: Coleman, Doherty, Collins, Egan, O'Shea, Lenihan, Scales, McClean, Brady
Potential Changes: Manning for Scales, Brady or McClean? Omobamidele, Duffy or McNally for Lenihan? Is there a spot for Festy or Lyons?

Midfielders
Last Squad: Cullen, Hendrick, Molumby, Browne, Smallbone, McGrath
Potential Changes: Keep Hourihane away, retain Smallbone. Knight (seemingly has to come back), Coventry, Sykes or Connell for Browne? Szmodics or Azaz for McGrath?

Forwards
Last Squad: Obafemi, Robinson, Hogan, Ogbene, Keane, Ferguson, O'Dowda
Potential Changes: Robinson is out, Hogan and Keane have dropped off. Time to bring back Parrott and Idah? Will Connolly be back in time for contention? Sykes or Azaz for O'Dowda?

A lot of options, I am sure i have missed others (Kelly? Promise?)... I'll throw down a possible 26 man squad...

Keepers - Bazunu, Kelleher, Travers
Defenders - Coleman, Doherty, Collins, Egan, O'Shea, Lenihan, Omobamidele, Manning, McClean
Midfielders - Cullen, Molumby, Smallbone, Knight, Sykes, Szmodics, Coventry
Forwards - Obafemi, Ogbene, Ferguson, Idah, Parrott, Keane, Azaz

[paul_oshea]

You've got me thinking about SZmodics and Johnston now. Why rush to have clearance and everything else sorted before the first squad announcement of a new campaign unless he's planning on involving them at some point in the campaign? It feels like its all been timed particularly so for inclusion in the campaign and having a squad see out the whole campaign. Are either really going to offer anything different to what we have already? Szmodics is 27? Johnston doesnt seem to have done much in the last 2-3 years to warrant an inclusion? Quite a few questions that I think only get answered with the first squad announcement.

How would others that have been around the periphery or late call ups to the squad to be circumvented by those two latest players to get FAI clearance? But then how could he include Connell or Coventry ahead of Szmodics if he rushed to get his clearance in time? Unless of course it's just saving face for future games in the campaign.

Personally this is what I'd like to see(in order of preference):
Ferguson in the squad and starting.
Scales, Hourihane, O'dowda out.
Smallbone included on merit and natural progression.
Not fussed over Idah, but would like to see Parrott in there but not near the team.
Dont think its right to include the two new recruits at this point in time.
Would be nice to see Connell get the call up given the noise about him a few years back, and that he's shown one bump doesn't create a fall.

P.s Good to see you've seen the light on the COD'in

[Eirambler]

O'Dowda should still be in, but as a defender. He's arguably our best option now at left wing back.

[elatedscum]

hoping for a larger squad given the friendly: (29 below)



Kelleher
Bazunu
Travers




Doherty
Coleman
McNamara




Duffy
O’Shea
Collins
Egan
Omobamidele
Manning




Brady
McClean




Cullen
Molumby
Hendrick
Coventry




Smallbone
McGrath
Knight
Browne




Ogbene
Sykes
O’Dowda




Parrott
Idah
Obafemi
Ferguson

[Razors left peg]

O'Dowda should still be in, but as a defender. He's arguably our best option now at left wing back.

Thats exactly what I was going to say, he was probably the only positive from the recent friendlies in that he looked our best option in the left wing back position

[JR89]

Bazunu, Kelleher, Travers.

Coleman, Doherty, Collins, Egan, O'Shea, Duffy, Omobamidele, McClean, O'Dowda

Cullen, Molumby, Knight, Hendrick, Browne, Smallbone

Ferguson, Obafemi, Ogbene, Idah, Parrott

That's 23 that you'd need for a match day squad and feel it's close enough to the 23 he'll name. Could add Coventry, Hodge, Szmodics, Azaz, Johnston, and Sykes. That makes it 29 players in camp training.

Manning isn't included because I could see him not being picked again but I'd have him there myself to make it 30 players. Johnston is included because from his comments about his paperwork it sounded like he'll be called up if cleared. We don't play with wingers so his inclusion is probably more just to train but Sykes can also play RWB so he could get game time against Latvia.

Coventry and Hodge for me should be there to train at a minimum and I'd give Coventry minutes against Latvia even. Our closest player like for like with Cullen and feel we should integrate him sooner rather than later into the wider squad. Maybe even give him one half and Hodge the other.

[Jd2793]

id be calling up extra players for the latvia game. hodge should get some time from the bench in that game then drop to the 21s for their friendly. id assume he'll have szmodics involved given his papers have cleared? smallbone has to start v latvia with a view to him playing some role v france imo, sykes also deserves a start. kenny needs to show a pair of balls this window, unlike malta and give new players some game time. cullen and coleman shouldnt be in the squad v latvia , wrap those 2 in cotton wool for the big game . cant see it but manning should be one who sees game time v latvia too but he likely wont make the squad as kenny seemingly has something against him

[Razors left peg]

Bazunu, Kelleher, Travers

Coleman, Doherty, Collins, Egan, O'Shea, Omobamidele, O'Dowda, McClean

Cullen, Molumby, Knight, Smallbone, Azaz, Coventry, Hodge

Ferguson, Obafemi, Idah, Parrott, Ogbene


That would be my 23 man squad. I dont think it'll happen because I think Hendrick and Browne will definitely be picked. Id like to see us move on from players that have a history in recent years of being poor to mediocre, where possible. Azaz for Hendrick is a possible step forward in the long run, even if it may be a stretch to pick him just now. Same with Hodge, he was probably the one I wasnt sure to put in given how much hes fallen down the pecking order at Wolves recently, but going with the Status Quo of Browne, Hendrick, Brady, McGrath or Hourihane just feels pointless and will ultimately lead to more disappoint.

The thing Id most like to see in the next few games is that if we are going to fail, at least fail being brave and pick players that have the chance to improve and offer something different to what we've had.

[SkStu]

You've got me thinking about SZmodics and Johnston now. Why rush to have clearance and everything else sorted before the first squad announcement of a new campaign unless he's planning on involving them at some point in the campaign? It feels like its all been timed particularly so for inclusion in the campaign and having a squad see out the whole campaign. Are either really going to offer anything different to what we have already? Szmodics is 27? Johnston doesnt seem to have done much in the last 2-3 years to warrant an inclusion? Quite a few questions that I think only get answered with the first squad announcement.

How would others that have been around the periphery or late call ups to the squad to be circumvented by those two latest players to get FAI clearance? But then how could he include Connell or Coventry ahead of Szmodics if he rushed to get his clearance in time? Unless of course it's just saving face for future games in the campaign.

Personally this is what I'd like to see(in order of preference):
Ferguson in the squad and starting.
Scales, Hourihane, O'dowda out.
Smallbone included on merit and natural progression.
Not fussed over Idah, but would like to see Parrott in there but not near the team.
Dont think its right to include the two new recruits at this point in time.
Would be nice to see Connell get the call up given the noise about him a few years back, and that he's shown one bump doesn't create a fall.

P.s Good to see you've seen the light on the COD'in

Others making a good case for O'Dowda as cover for a few positions that got me thinking but I just wasn't sold on his inclusion this morning. His good start to the season seems to have tapered off a bit in recent months. Same with Brady. I left out Connell as i think he needs to just keep progressing right now and doing well. As others have said if he can make the move up and repeat performances, he is definitely a big part of the conversation for cover at 6. I left Johnston out as i don't think he fits with the current system and we just don't know enough - he might come into the reckoning later if he steps up at VG. I think Szmodics is hard to overlook given his current level of performance for a team at the top of the Championship. He gives us something different potentially in a specialist role. He's a bit senior compared to a lot of our players age profile alright but still has 5-6 years with the international team and that shouldn't to be downplayed.

I agree with your point and what a few others have hinted at. The next squad announcement will tell us a lot about Kenny and where his head is at. Will he be brave to his vision or will he run scared...?

[SkStu]

If I had to chop it to a 23 man squad, here's what I would change from my 26:

Keepers - Bazunu, Kelleher, Travers
Defenders - Coleman, Doherty, Collins, Egan, O'Shea, Lenihan, Omobamidele, Manning, McClean
Midfielders - Cullen, Molumby, Smallbone, Knight, Sykes, Coventry
Forwards - Obafemi, Ogbene, Ferguson, Idah, Parrott, Azaz

Szmodics, Keane, Lenihan all gone.

Sykes and Azaz can cover Szmodics; Keane is covered by Idah and Parrott; Lenihan surplus, lots of coverage at CB.

[paul_oshea]

If I had to chop it to a 23 man squad, here's what I would change from my 26:

Keepers - Bazunu, Kelleher, Travers
Defenders - Coleman, Doherty, Collins, Egan, O'Shea, Lenihan, Omobamidele, Manning, McClean
Midfielders - Cullen, Molumby, Smallbone, Knight, Sykes, Coventry
Forwards - Obafemi, Ogbene, Ferguson, Idah, Parrott, Azaz

Szmodics, Keane, Lenihan all gone.

Sykes and Azaz can cover Szmodics; Keane is covered by Idah and Parrott; Lenihan surplus, lots of coverage at CB.

How does this(above) cover this:

"k Szmodics is hard to overlook given his current level of performance for a team at the top of the Championship. He gives us something different potentially in a specialist role. He's a bit senior compared to a lot of our players age profile alright but still has 5-6 years with the international team and that shouldn't to be downplayed."

Are you suggesting that the former is what Kenny will go with with a vision for the future in place?

Theres still no one really sticking out in that midfield, but the backs and forwards are begining to look a bit more strenght( at an average&similar level) in depth. But why do people think he'll go for anything other than a 23 man squad? He's hardly going to be naming big squads before the start of a new campaign?

[Jd2793]

Because we've a pointless friendly before the big game. It's worth looking at some other options and some of our other senior players could be rested in the friendly. The 21s game being on at the end of the week gives him scope to look at 1 or 2 like hodge or ebosele imo.

[Razors left peg]

Because we've a pointless friendly before the big game. It's worth looking at some other options and some of our other senior players could be rested in the friendly. The 21s game being on at the end of the week gives him scope to look at 1 or 2 like hodge or ebosele imo.

Wouldnt be calling any friendly pointless at this stage.

[elatedscum]

But why do people think he'll go for anything other than a 23 man squad? He's hardly going to be naming big squads before the start of a new campaign?

1) Last year in the 4 international windows, he called up 24, 25, 26 and 27 to the initial squad - averaging 25.5.

2) This is a squad with relatively few injuries (just 2 of maybe 40/50 contenders). Less injuries, the more players you need to find a place for

3) We have a friendly against Latvia just before a competitive game against France. It might make sense to rest a load of lads to protect from injury and fatigue.

[SkStu]

How does this(above) cover this:

"k Szmodics is hard to overlook given his current level of performance for a team at the top of the Championship. He gives us something different potentially in a specialist role. He's a bit senior compared to a lot of our players age profile alright but still has 5-6 years with the international team and that shouldn't to be downplayed."

Are you suggesting that the former is what Kenny will go with with a vision for the future in place?

Theres still no one really sticking out in that midfield, but the backs and forwards are begining to look a bit more strenght( at an average&similar level) in depth. But why do people think he'll go for anything other than a 23 man squad? He's hardly going to be naming big squads before the start of a new campaign?

Do you mean how can I, on one hand, say that Szmodics should be looked at and on the other drop him? If so, it is in line with what you deduced. If Kenny is to stick with bringing youth through then he might keep Sykes/Azaz ahead of him. Also, Sykes offers some versatility. My thinking is that Szmodics is still worthy of a look which is where you had doubts.

On your second question, he has form for selecting larger squads and reducing. For example, he named a 25 man squad for the last round of games. And I'm sure he's brought more players in for previous events.

[ifk101]

I think I'd include Brady for his dead ball deliveries alone (it's either him or Hourihane - need one of them to take the set plays). Cullen doesn't get any whip on the ball when he takes the set-pieces, making them easier to defend and harder to attack.
Duffy and Hendrick will do well to make the squad, and I'd drop Travers for O'Leary.
Seem to recall Kenny taking about playing with wingers when he was appointed and playing with wingers being the default Irish style of play. Think this is where the recruitment of Johnston has come from. And selecting options to play a 10 is no-brainer.

[third policeman]

A bit scorched earth with the midfield and don't expect this to be anything like the actual squad, but this is one geared for a new campaign, recognising that a lot of what we've tried has failed. Maybe a case for Hodge, but decided to go with players who are in form and currently playing. The exception is Festy because his potential in a position where we are reliant on aging legs warrants speedier integration into the international set-up. No Parrott. To be honest, it's looking increasingly unlikely that he will ever become a goalscoring striker. Talented footballer maybe, but not doing enough to merit selection at the minute.

Keepers - Bazunu, Kelleher, Travers
Defenders - Coleman, Doherty, Collins, Egan, O'Shea, Omobamidele, O'Dowda, Ebosele
Midfielders - Cullen, Molumby, Smallbone, Knight, Sykes, Connell, Szomdics
Forwards - Obafemi, Ogbene, Ferguson, Idah, Azaz

[Eirambler]

I think I'd include Brady for his dead ball deliveries alone (it's either him or Hourihane - need one of them to take the set plays).

I'm not sure we can carry that level of dead weight, just to take set pieces. Hourihane has been consistently crap for Ireland and his set pieces have been almost as bad as his general play to be honest. Brady seems to have moved into the "unused substitute at Preston" stage of his career. He'd get eaten alive against France with his lack of pace.

If we really feel we need someone else on the field to take free kicks and corners we should just start Smallbone.

[backstothewall]

My preferred squad fwiw

Keepers - Bazunu, Kelleher, Travers
Defenders - Coleman, Doherty, Ebosele, Collins, Egan, O'Shea, Lenihan, Omobamidele, Duffy, Manning, McClean
Midfielders - Cullen, Hodge, Molumby, Smallbone, Knight, Szmodics, O'Dowda, Johnson,
Forwards - Obafemi, Ogbene, Ferguson, Parrott, Connolly.

[pineapple stu]

Connolly's injured isn't he?

I'm not sure the tweaks - which is generally what Travers/O'Leary or Parrott/Connolly/Idah/Azaz or Brady/Sykes/Connell generally are - are going to address the core problem of how we face weaker teams unfortunately (thinking of the Latvia game here of course). I suppose that's a silly point in a thread about what the squad might be, but I don't see anything in the variations above that'd drastically improve on previous performances v Lithuania/Malta/Luxembourg/Azerbaijan.

[ifk101]

I'm not sure we can carry that level of dead weight, just to take set pieces. Hourihane has been consistently crap for Ireland and his set pieces have been almost as bad as his general play to be honest. Brady seems to have moved into the "unused substitute at Preston" stage of his career. He'd get eaten alive against France with his lack of pace.

If we really feel we need someone else on the field to take free kicks and corners we should just start Smallbone.

Not ideal, sure. And speaking more in terms of squad places than starting. Hourihane's time is probably up, less sure that's the case with Brady - think he still has more to give. And he has played quite a bit for Preston this season, hasn't played this much in a season since his time with Norwich. As is, looking like it is between McClean, Brady and O'Dowda for LWB - not exactly our strongest position so need to squeeze as much as possible out of those options.

[SkStu]

Connolly's injured isn't he?

I'm not sure the tweaks - which is generally what Travers/O'Leary or Parrott/Connolly/Idah/Azaz or Brady/Sykes/Connell generally are - are going to address the core problem of how we face weaker teams unfortunately (thinking of the Latvia game here of course). I suppose that's a silly point in a thread about what the squad might be, but I don't see anything in the variations above that'd drastically improve on previous performances v Lithuania/Malta/Luxembourg/Azerbaijan.

Yean, he's supposedly out until around the early April timeframe.

I dont think we have the personnel for drastic improvement short term - playing staff or otherwise - more just trying to see if there is a natural reflection point here for Kenny where theres another changing of the guard and, if so, who might the candidates be that have made a case for inclusion (and therefor who has played themselves out of the squad).

[pineapple stu]

I dont think we have the personnel for drastic improvement short term - playing staff or otherwise - more just trying to see if there is a natural reflection point here for Kenny where theres another changing of the guard and, if so, who might the candidates be that have made a case for inclusion (and therefor who has played themselves out of the squad).
Yeah, that's fair.

I think it still needs to be done with an eye on the best players in the squad, so I'd be wary of any League One players really, certainly for the sake of change. Don't mind Hourihane not featuring. Knight - might be borderline that we drop him for someone like Szmodmics who seems to be doing a job at a higher level, but I'd be inclined to keep him in for now given his contribution to recent squads.

When is the squad announced btw?

[SkStu]

I would've thought we're a week away maybe...maybe not though based on the Johnston tweet??

[JR89]

I would've thought we're a week away maybe...maybe not though based on the Johnston tweet??

Squad won't be announced till next week. Clubs will be informed early of players that could be called up. Though I do think when the official squad is finalized he'll make it

[pineapple stu]

Though I do think when the official squad is finalized he'll make it
Yeah, it's a lot of build-up to not include him in the squad, isn't it?

[JR89]

From Kenny's own comments you could have assumed he's in if the paperwork is sorted. Plus would make sense to at least bring him in to train. wouldn't be the only player I'd bring in to train.

Think at most he could get minutes off the bench against Latvia if Kenny goes 3-4-3 sometime in the second half to play him LW.

[tetsujin1979]

Squad to be announced on Thursday(paywalled)
https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/the-major-calls-stephen-kenny-must-make-with-ireland-squad-42378811.html

[elatedscum]

Dan McDonnell has said that Kelleher missed the liverpool game due to a 'minor ailment', so looks like he'll make the squad. also mentioned that duffy missed the last fulham game due to a calf issue.

so i guess connolly and robinson are in the 'almost certain to miss' and kelleher and duffy are in the 'slight doubt' camp.

[NeverFeltBetter]

Pogba out: https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2023/0313/1361998-pogba-set-to-miss-irish-clash-with-injury/

Would he have even been called up by France if he was fit?

[pineapple stu]

Ebosele, Cannon and Hodge all named in the U21 squad this month, so we can presume they won't make the senior squad tomorrow.

Ferguson not named in the 21s, though that's hardly a surprise either.

[Razors left peg]

If Ferguson was named in the u21s Id be expecting Kennys resignation by tomorrow morning

[JR89]

Ebosele, Cannon and Hodge all named in the U21 squad this month, so we can presume they won't make the senior squad tomorrow.

Ferguson not named in the 21s, though that's hardly a surprise either.

Funny enough Ferguson is still underage for the 19s team that was named yesterday too.

[JR89]

Shane Duffy out with a calf injury.

[tetsujin1979]

French squad to be named later today as well

[Snapshot]

If Ferguson was named in the u21s Id be expecting Kennys resignation by tomorrow morning
It would be a price worth paying.

[JR89]

Goalkeepers: Gavin Bazunu (Southampton), Caoimhin Kelleher (Liverpool), Mark Travers (AFC Bournemouth).

Defenders: Seamus Coleman (Everton), Matt Doherty (Atletico Madrid), Andrew Omobamidele (Norwich City), Nathan Collins (Wolverhampton Wanderers), John Egan (Sheffield United), Dara O'Shea (West Bromwich Albion), Callum O'Dowda (Cardiff City), James McClean (Wigan Athletic).

Midfielders: Josh Cullen (Burnley), Jayson Molumby (West Bromwich Albion), Jeff Hendrick (Reading), Alan Browne (Preston North End), Jason Knight (Derby County), Will Smallbone (Stoke City, on loan from Southampton), Jamie McGrath (Dundee United), Mark Sykes (Bristol City).

Forwards: Chiedozie Ogbene (Rotherham United), Michael Obafemi (Burnley), Evan Ferguson (Brighton and Hove Albion), Adam Idah (Norwich City), Troy Parrott (Preston North End, on loan from Tottenham Hotspur), Will Keane (Wigan Athletic), Mikey Johnston (Vitoria, on loan from Celtic).

[DCWA]

Jeff Hendrick… Jamie McGrath…. Will Keane… madness…. THE BOSS is done.

[Jd2793]

mcgrath again :confused:

[SkStu]

Wow. Have to agree DCWA. Thats really disappointing. Browne still in there too. No Manning (WTF is up there?! We are so light on the left). No Szmodics. Thought Idah would be out injured. McGrath is a head shaker and Johnston has not earned a place in our squad yet.

edit: I said disappointing - I'm going to upgrade that to a "fckn brutal". About as conservative as it could have been. How in gods name is Johnston in our squad now?

[elatedscum]

Funny enough Ferguson is still underage for the 19s team that was named yesterday too.

how cool would it be if evan lined up for the 19s in July. basically instead of the first week of pre-season. Malta are hosts, so if you could qualify and get in their group, you'd be very well placed to get to a semi-final. And a team with Evan Ferguson becomes a contender.

Often you get withdrawals because players are trying to break into the first team and don't want to miss pre-season, so for example the last tournament was missing the likes of Michael Obafemi, Aaron Connolly, Jason Knight, Conor Coventry, Nathan Collins, Adam Idah, Will Smallbone, Troy Parrott, Luca Connell, Gavin Kilkenny, Adam O'Reilly, Aaron Bolger - Ferguson is in the unusual position where he's already progressed to the next level where he's a guarantee to be a first teamer.

The fact the tournament takes place 11 days earlier should help reduce the number of withdrawals - and the fact it's not a Euros/World Cup summer is also a help. Often youngsters are brought up to make up the numbers when players are late coming back from a tournament...

[seanfhear]

mcgrath again :confused:Oooh Aaah ..........

[Jd2793]

he was always calling johnston up, have no real issue with it as it might force him to use wingers again.

[JR89]

how cool would it be if evan lined up for the 19s in July. basically instead of the first week of pre-season. Malta are hosts, so if you could qualify and get in their group, you'd be very well placed to get to a semi-final. And a team with Evan Ferguson becomes a contender.

Often you get withdrawals because players are trying to break into the first team and don't want to miss pre-season, so for example the last tournament was missing the likes of Michael Obafemi, Aaron Connolly, Jason Knight, Conor Coventry, Nathan Collins, Adam Idah, Will Smallbone, Troy Parrott, Luca Connell, Gavin Kilkenny, Adam O'Reilly, Aaron Bolger - Ferguson is in the unusual position where he's already progressed to the next level where he's a guarantee to be a first teamer.

The fact the tournament takes place 11 days earlier should help reduce the number of withdrawals - and the fact it's not a Euros/World Cup summer is also a help. Often youngsters are brought up to make up the numbers when players are late coming back from a tournament...

Brighton would likely refuse to release him similar to all those lads not being released the last time we made the U19s euros.

[Fixer82]

Bit weird that O’Dowda is labelled a defender and Johnston is a forward

[SkStu]

he was always calling johnston up, have no real issue with it as it might force him to use wingers again.

I'm not so convinced we have seen anything yet of Johnston to say he merits a squad place. Do you think this (plus only 4 centre backs) signals a potential return to 433?

[JR89]

Coleman will cover CB as the fifth choice.

[Kingdom]

Coleman will cover CB as the fifth choice.

Was just going to say this.

[Jd2793]

I'm not so convinced we have seen anything yet of Johnston to say he merits a squad place. Do you think this (plus only 4 centre backs) signals a potential return to 433?

going off dan mcdonnells piece kenny has been on the look out for any wingers he can find. johnston fits the bill. its upto kenny but shoehorning him in to play as a wb sounds like it wouldnt be useful in johnstons case so i can only hope it signals a return to 4-3-3. though it'd likely be for the last 10/15 of the game or something with him coming off the bench. otherwise, it could be a 3-4-3 which we've been overrun with before.

[SkStu]

Coleman will cover CB as the fifth choice.

Yeah, fair enough and, even though he's not shone there for us, it does work as cover.

26 man squad too. I'm just surprised that there was no room for Manning and Szmodics or Azaz whereas we have a number of busted flushes still in there. If it is a choice between Manning and O'Dowda on form it has to be Manning (also gives cover as 5th CB). Likewise McGrath v. Szmodics or Azaz. And I am disappointed to see Browne still in there. Johnston is a head-shaker but I suppose if he wants to change formation during a game, that gives something different. Maybe. We don't really know what he can do... wouldnt Ogbene (who is a bit off form) not give is a wide option like Johnston?