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Lee Carsley
Stephen Reid
There's 2 potential, realistic replacements with suitable experience.
Reid is not a realistic replacement as he's stepped away from coaching to focus on the mental health side of mentoring players.
backstothewall
22/03/2023, 1:44 PM
Reid is not a realistic replacement as he's stepped away from coaching to focus on the mental health side of mentoring players.
He stepped away from a full-time role as an assistant manager in the Premier League with Forest. Managing an international side is clearly less work and would probably fit around his studies. Worth sounding him out
Carsley could definitely do it. And it would be a good step up from England U21s
elatedscum
22/03/2023, 1:55 PM
He stepped away from a full-time role as an assistant manager in the Premier League with Forest. Managing an international side is clearly less work and would probably fit around his studies. Worth sounding him out
Carsley could definitely do it. And it would be a good step up from England U21s
you don't think managing an international team is a full-time job?
Eirambler
22/03/2023, 2:05 PM
So, proposing a manager to be sacked without knowing the options/circumstances is acceptable, but proposing potential replacements is a nonsense?
You set a tangible target of what a manager should be achieving and take a view based on what the manager actually achieves. It's the only way to take a fair view.
Bringing other managers or possible managers into it doesn't help - someone might be available today or not in six months time. Someone might be good but unaffordable. Someone might be gettable but we don't realise they are.
We should be judging the current manager based on how well he does with the team, not based on whether any other manager might or might not be interested or available.
elatedscum
22/03/2023, 2:18 PM
You set a tangible target of what a manager should be achieving and take a view based on what the manager actually achieves. It's the only way to take a fair view.
Bringing other managers or possible managers into it doesn't help - someone might be available today or not in six months time. Someone might be good but unaffordable. Someone might be gettable but we don't realise they are.
We should be judging the current manager based on how well he does with the team, not based on whether any other manager might or might not be interested or available.
it's both - you look at the manager's performance in isolation and think if he should stay, then you think who could replace him and let it inform your decision. sacking a manager without any regard for who is available is exactly how Crystal Palace end up sacking Patrick Viera and bringing back Roy Hodgson.
Razors left peg
22/03/2023, 2:33 PM
Lee Carsley
Stephen Reid
There's 2 potential, realistic replacements with suitable experience.
Stephen Kenny has more managerial experience than both of them put together.
paul_oshea
22/03/2023, 2:39 PM
So, proposing a manager to be sacked without knowing the options/circumstances is acceptable, but proposing potential replacements is a nonsense?
Its an absolutely ridiculous proposition what you are saying and its a fairly nefarious thing to try and do it. Do you think organisations(for any type of management position) of any kind don't get rid of people because they are underperforming? Absolutely ridiculous , in any/all industry they do. Sport is no different. Happens all the time in football too.
Stephen Kenny has more managerial experience than both of them put together.
It's a great point Razor. Hard to categorize both of those names as anything other than high-potential.
paul_oshea
22/03/2023, 2:43 PM
I think Parrott would be the least effective beside Ferguson and think that the pace that both Obafemi and Ogbene bring would be very effective playing beside and around Evan. His touch and passing is very good - there were some really great flick passes he pulled off in a recent game so he sees the pitch and has great awareness of whats going on around him that i think could exploit their pace really well. Conversely, he is good in the box too and I can see games and goals where they've been played wide or into the box and Ferguson becomes the poacher. All in good time. My biggest fear in all this is that, as I think PassingInterest touched on, we are placing too much expectation on him. He'll be a top player for us but it wont happen overnight (cue hat-trick tonight - wishful thinking haha) so patience is the order of the day.
Are you tempering my(and others) expectations : )? It will take him time to settle in of course but he has shown as have the others that they can work very well together given their attributes and yes that more than likely isnt going to show straight off but hopefully grows over playing time together. All this hinges on both not being injured and form not dropping of course! But the ingredients are there for a lethal cocktail.
Are you tempering my(and others) expectations : )? It will take him time to settle in of course but he has shown as have the others that they can work very well together given their attributes and yes that more than likely isnt going to show straight off but hopefully grows over playing time together. All this hinges on both not being injured and form not dropping of course! But the ingredients are there for a lethal cocktail.
We're in agreement.
I just think it will take any 18 year old time to find his feet at international level and need to be somewhat patient to let it all come together for him and the team around him. It wasnt aimed at you at all.
Razors left peg
22/03/2023, 2:51 PM
Theres a lot of very good managers out there. I doubt many here would have heard of Postecoglou or De Zerbi before they were hired at Celtic and Brighton, I definitely didnt. If you could trust the FAI to cast a wide net and find a diamond then we could find an excellent replacement for Kenny. I certainly dont trust them and were guaranteed to be just linked with the usual suspects on the British system merry-go-round. You'll have some nonsense like Ray Houghton and Liam Brady being involved on some committee to help pick the manager like what happened previously.
Anyway a replacement manager will only be needed if things go badly in the new campaign, lets hope that Kenny turns it around and we get good results. There is a feeling here that lads now want us to lose so that Kenny gets sacked. I've said that I dont believe in him anymore, but I also would rather we stick with him because we are getting results than hope we lose so we can replace him.
paul_oshea
22/03/2023, 2:54 PM
Two tickets to the game tonight free to a good home. Seated together in upper tier. PM if interested (first come, first served).
This is barstool corner here. Better off on Ybig for that.
paul_oshea
22/03/2023, 2:56 PM
We're in agreement.
I just think it will take any 18 year old time to find his feet at international level and need to be somewhat patient to let it all come together for him and the team around him. It wasnt aimed at you at all.
Ya I think anyone who expects Ferguson to be banging in the goals straight off, because hes scored 7 in England this season, is being a bit naive and impatient. That doesn't mean we shouldn't see him contributing from the off though.
Razors left peg
22/03/2023, 2:59 PM
Ya I think anyone who expects Ferguson to be banging in the goals straight off, because hes scored 7 in England this season, is being a bit naive and impatient. That doesn't mean we shouldn't see him contributing from the off though.
The funny thing is you expect him to score in every game he plays now, just because he always looks so dangerous and his positioning is brilliant. Hes that good that I do think he'll do well today.
passinginterest
22/03/2023, 3:07 PM
Anyway, in a wave of optimism, I'm going for 5-0 Ireland and Ferguson to get off the mark!
It's a horribly windy day so that won't help the football, and it doesn't look like it's due to improve before kick off.
paul_oshea
22/03/2023, 3:08 PM
It's a great point Razor. Hard to categorize both of those names as anything other than high-potential.
Most would say before Kenny was appointed the same thing. Lets be fair. Outside of what he did with Dundalk (and even that) wasnt well known or much experience. And none of those are probably equivalent to U21s England or Assitant positions with Championship clubs.
Razors left peg
22/03/2023, 3:08 PM
Anyway, in a wave of optimism, I'm going for 5-0 Ireland and Ferguson to get off the mark!
It's a horribly windy day so that won't help the football, and it doesn't look like it's due to improve before kick off.
Watching the U19s game and the weather really is affecting it
paul_oshea
22/03/2023, 3:09 PM
The funny thing is you expect him to score in every game he plays now, just because he always looks so dangerous and his positioning is brilliant. Hes that good that I do think he'll do well today.
Ya its more a hopeful expectation than a requirement though is what I was getting at.
Razors left peg
22/03/2023, 3:13 PM
Ya its more a hopeful expectation than a requirement though is what I was getting at.
Absolutely, anyone that would give him stick if he didnt score today would need to have a long hard look at themselves
Kingdom
22/03/2023, 3:49 PM
Can you both take it to your respective inboxes? I'm getting eyestrain reading the quoted replies
Sorry boss.
backstothewall
22/03/2023, 3:51 PM
Stephen Kenny has more managerial experience than both of them put together.
Aye. Including loads of experience of getting beat as Ireland manager.
weldoninhio
22/03/2023, 3:53 PM
Anyone calling for a manager's removal has the onus of responsibility to propose an alternative.
No they don't hahaha. Literally ANY proper manager would do better than Kenny has done. ChatGTP would probably do a better job. The emperor has no clothes, everyone can see that now.
weldoninhio
22/03/2023, 3:55 PM
point taken - but i will say, the difference in talent between Rice and Grealish vs Smallbone, Ebosele, Hodge and Cannon is absolutely huge. Evan Ferguson is the only player to compare with their level of raw talent and he's been capped as quick as possible
I think Hodge now, is about where Rice/Grealish were back then. And still can't even get into a senior squad.
weldoninhio
22/03/2023, 3:58 PM
Theres a lot of very good managers out there. I doubt many here would have heard of Postecoglou or De Zerbi before they were hired at Celtic and Brighton, I definitely didnt. If you could trust the FAI to cast a wide net and find a diamond then we could find an excellent replacement for Kenny. I certainly dont trust them and were guaranteed to be just linked with the usual suspects on the British system merry-go-round. You'll have some nonsense like Ray Houghton and Liam Brady being involved on some committee to help pick the manager like what happened previously.
Anyway a replacement manager will only be needed if things go badly in the new campaign, lets hope that Kenny turns it around and we get good results. There is a feeling here that lads now want us to lose so that Kenny gets sacked. I've said that I dont believe in him anymore, but I also would rather we stick with him because we are getting results than hope we lose so we can replace him.
There is more chance of the captain of the Titanic waking up, bailing out the ship with a bucket and turning it around back to Cork, than Kenny suddenly becoming an international level manager. And that's being kind to Kenny.
tetsujin1979
22/03/2023, 4:01 PM
Use muti quote Weldoninho
Kingdom
22/03/2023, 4:01 PM
Lee Carsley
Stephen Reid
There's 2 potential, realistic replacements with suitable experience.
Fair play to you, appreciate it.
I disagree with both proposals. They are unsuitable.
Razors left peg
22/03/2023, 4:02 PM
I think Hodge now, is about where Rice/Grealish were back then. And still can't even get into a senior squad.
I like Hodge but he hasnt seen a football pitch since January, he doesnt even make bench at moment for Wolves
weldoninhio
22/03/2023, 4:03 PM
Use muti quote Weldoninho
Sorry I was replying as I read the thread. Didn't think i'd be commenting so much.
Kingdom
22/03/2023, 4:04 PM
You set a tangible target of what a manager should be achieving and take a view based on what the manager actually achieves. It's the only way to take a fair view.
Bringing other managers or possible managers into it doesn't help - someone might be available today or not in six months time. Someone might be good but unaffordable. Someone might be gettable but we don't realise they are.
We should be judging the current manager based on how well he does with the team, not based on whether any other manager might or might not be interested or available.
So, when kenny is no longer manager, and we have Steven Gerrard appointed, I can say that we should be topping groups, making tournament semi-finals, or whatever, just because I deem that to be tangible. And then when the next manager doesn't, I can be as unmerciful in my criticism as I like?
weldoninhio
22/03/2023, 4:04 PM
Fair play to you, appreciate it.
I disagree with both proposals. They are unsuitable.
Unsuitable in what way??
Kingdom
22/03/2023, 4:07 PM
Its an absolutely ridiculous proposition what you are saying and its a fairly nefarious thing to try and do it. Do you think organisations(for any type of management position) of any kind don't get rid of people because they are underperforming? Absolutely ridiculous , in any/all industry they do. Sport is no different. Happens all the time in football too.
Nefarious, I like it. It's incorrect, but I like the implication. But then again, I don't classify Kenny as underperforming, you do. And in a 'my Kingers opinion vs your POSh opinion - you specifically Paul - I don't in any way hold any regard for your opinion, for many reasons which I refuse to discuss on this forum.
However, I absolutely adore you as a person in real-life, and that's all that matters to me.
Kingdom
22/03/2023, 4:09 PM
I think Hodge now, is about where Rice/Grealish were back then. And still can't even get into a senior squad.
He's not.
Unsuitable in what way??
neither of them are Steven Kenny.
The funny thing is you expect him to score in every game he plays now, just because he always looks so dangerous and his positioning is brilliant. Hes that good that I do think he'll do well today.
Yeah his positioning in the box is very good. Even in the game against Leeds he wasn't given any space whatsoever but the first goal you see him dropping out of the six yard box to drag the CB with him which left an acre of space for McAllister to score an easy header.
Don't expect him to be dragging us to victories but feed him the ball and fully believe he'll score as would Obafemi. Issue is getting the ball to them in goal scoring positions.
Kingdom
22/03/2023, 4:15 PM
Unsuitable in what way??
In an unsuitable way, as in, not suitable for the job.
Fair play to you, appreciate it.
I disagree with both proposals. They are unsuitable.
I'd be fine with taking a chance on Carsley, I think.
Razors left peg
22/03/2023, 4:20 PM
I'd be fine with taking a chance on Carsley, I think.
On balance I probably would too Stu, but he has been held up as some sort of savior for quite a while when hes never really been a manager.
I liked the idea of Jim Goodwin before things went t1ts up for him at Aberdeen. Theres not a whole lot of "Irish" options so you could see a scenario where Frank Lampard would get hired because the FAI know his name
On balance I probably would too Stu, but he has been held up as some sort of savior for quite a while when hes never really been a manager.
I liked the idea of Jim Goodwin before things went t1ts up for him at Aberdeen. Theres not a whole lot of "Irish" options so you could see a scenario where Frank Lampard would get hired because the FAI know his name
Brian Barry-Murphy will likely go on to have a solid career as manager. Currently heading up the Man City u21s - probably too early in his career but certainly someone to keep an eye on.
Razors left peg
22/03/2023, 4:26 PM
Brian Barry-Murphy will likely go on to have a solid career as manager. Currently heading up the Man City u21s - probably too early in his career but certainly someone to keep an eye on.
Good should, but it would still be a chance. He could be a chance worth taking though
paul_oshea
22/03/2023, 4:30 PM
Nefarious, I like it. It's incorrect, but I like the implication. But then again, I don't classify Kenny as underperforming, you do. And in a 'my Kingers opinion vs your POSh opinion - you specifically Paul - I don't in any way hold any regard for your opinion, for many reasons which I refuse to discuss on this forum.
However, I absolutely adore you as a person in real-life, and that's all that matters to me.
I'll accept that. Because I'm in the sane 90% who certainly dont think Kenny has been performing :) Now off with you back to your belgian backwater untouched by modern living : P
On balance I probably would too Stu, but he has been held up as some sort of savior for quite a while when hes never really been a manager.
I liked the idea of Jim Goodwin before things went t1ts up for him at Aberdeen. Theres not a whole lot of "Irish" options so you could see a scenario where Frank Lampard would get hired because the FAI know his name
I think whatever anyone thinks of the new FAI board V the old FAI board but I'd be a lot more concerned about the FAI doing that again bringing in houghton and Bonner to head the recruitment and although I dont think they end up with Lampard because of costs they'd end up with someone like Paul Ince instead. We're not in the FOotball Management Recruitment World as are none of us on here ( even you Kingdom even if you think a few years underage coaching u12s girls and boys gives you some overlord worldly view ; ) ) but we'd hope that the FAI would be able to tap into that and get a less parochial(ireland/england) and more worldly view.
paul_oshea
22/03/2023, 4:37 PM
I think everyone coming up with Irish names just shows how limited a view everyone has of what's out there.
tetsujin1979
22/03/2023, 4:43 PM
Paul, another user was asked to use multi quote only one page ago
When you come back for the fixtures in June, can you remember that the option exists?
paul_oshea
22/03/2023, 4:45 PM
Paul, another user was asked to use multi quote only one page ago
When you come back for the fixtures in June, can you remember that the option exists?
Sorry. As said before you need a squash and merge feature.
Kingdom
22/03/2023, 4:49 PM
Paul, another user was asked to use multi quote only one page ago
When you come back for the fixtures in June, can you remember that the option exists?
Sorry chief, will do.
Hope to be back before June.
Kingdom
22/03/2023, 4:51 PM
On balance I probably would too Stu, but he has been held up as some sort of savior for quite a while when hes never really been a manager.
I liked the idea of Jim Goodwin before things went t1ts up for him at Aberdeen. Theres not a whole lot of "Irish" options so you could see a scenario where Frank Lampard would get hired because the FAI know his name
Lampard was svtually the name i was going to use funny enough.
I think everyone coming up with Irish names just shows how limited a view everyone has of what's out there.
I think it's more a reflection of who we could realistically appoint. There wouldn't be too many interested in the role I'd say.
Razors left peg
22/03/2023, 4:54 PM
Am I the only one who actually doesnt know how to use multi quotes? Ive only been on here 15 years in fairness!!
Lampard was svtually the name i was going to use funny enough.
I'd like to see us pursue Terry Venables.
Razors left peg
22/03/2023, 4:55 PM
I think everyone coming up with Irish names just shows how limited a view everyone has of what's out there.
Which is why I made the point earlier about hidden gems like Postecoglou and De Zerbi being out there but my lack of faith in the FAI to find them
Theres a lot of very good managers out there. I doubt many here would have heard of Postecoglou or De Zerbi before they were hired at Celtic and Brighton, I definitely didnt. If you could trust the FAI to cast a wide net and find a diamond then we could find an excellent replacement for Kenny. I certainly dont trust them and were guaranteed to be just linked with the usual suspects on the British system merry-go-round. You'll have some nonsense like Ray Houghton and Liam Brady being involved on some committee to help pick the manager like what happened previously.
Anyway a replacement manager will only be needed if things go badly in the new campaign, lets hope that Kenny turns it around and we get good results. There is a feeling here that lads now want us to lose so that Kenny gets sacked. I've said that I dont believe in him anymore, but I also would rather we stick with him because we are getting results than hope we lose so we can replace him.
Always thought the FAI should look at the Danish league to scout some managers. It's a decent enough standard and the Danes themselves hire managers from that league. Issue being now is will managers look at us as a step in their careers. Any manager looking to advance their careers probably wouldn't touch us since the we're broke.
You'd be looking at some that have failed at clubs and looking for somewhere to maybe bounce back to get a club job or coaches looking to break into management. Someone mentioned Frank Lampard I think or might have seen it somewhere else but apparently the English FA are looking at him or Gerrard as possible replacements for Carsley with the U21s.
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