Loitv

[Neish]

Any word on how this has gone for clubs? Any hope of season passes returning for 2nd half of the season?

Doubt season passes will be back, not financially sustainable . The clubs were getting funding when the was no/limited attendances which help towards streaming costs.

[Kiki Balboa]

Doubt season passes will be back, not financially sustainable . The clubs were getting funding when the was no/limited attendances which help towards streaming costs.

The only way to make LOItv sustainable is with season passes. Shooting themselves in the foot by no offering the option.

[pineapple stu]

Do people watch LoITV as much this season?

I know with games back to full capacity people won't be watching as many home games.

I haven't watched any games this year though - partly because everywhere's not shut on Fridays any more, but also because you'd be less inclined to sign up for one game compared to just logging on with your season ticket

[Kiki Balboa]

Paid for 2 games so far, going to the games stops it, and other things come up for Friday nights.

My brother is the same. Both of us would have been happy paying 130+ euro for a season pass, but now we won't even spend 50 between us.

[sidewayspasser]

5 games, I think, out of City's 8 away games so far.

[SPXcyan]

Living abroad means I heavily rely on the site to be honest.

[nigel-harps1954]

Doubt season passes will be back, not financially sustainable . The clubs were getting funding when the was no/limited attendances which help towards streaming costs.

Clubs were paying for the streaming costs of LOITV last season.

[Shinkicker]

Living abroad means I heavily rely on the site to be honest.
Same here, it's been great and if you are waiting on the national TV station to show it you would have a beard to your foot.

[Neish]

The only way to make LOItv sustainable is with season passes. Shooting themselves in the foot by no offering the option.

That make no business sense, offering packages that work out at less then €5 per game is just not sustainable for a club. €7 is not overly expensive about half price of attending at game in person and about the price of a pint in Dublin. I accept that times are tough for many in the current climate but no one is forcing you to pay to watch a stream of a LOI game

[sbgawa]

That make no business sense, offering packages that work out at less then €5 per game is just not sustainable for a club. €7 is not overly expensive about half price of attending at game in person and about the price of a pint in Dublin. I accept that times are tough for many in the current climate but no one is forcing you to pay to watch a stream of a LOI game

Agree 100%.
We were spoilt with the price of the original passes but this was at a time when you couldnt go to games so they were affordable for a reason

[nigel-harps1954]

I don't think anyone is suggesting a €50 season pass. But asking someone to pay €252 for LOITV through the season, before you go into cup games, when those attending every game are likely paying less than that for their season ticket is a bit much.

Been over this in previous pages within this thread enough times, but FAI have absolutely shot themselves in the foot by not offering a ~€140-€160 season pass, or some level of packages for those who can't travel to away games.

Uptake is almost certainly well down on last season. A huge number of people are watching via dodgy streams or IPTV services, who may otherwise have thrown the €150 to a season pass in February.

I would wager the clubs will see very little financial return this season, if any return at all.

[Kiki Balboa]

That make no business sense, offering packages that work out at less then €5 per game is just not sustainable for a club. €7 is not overly expensive about half price of attending at game in person and about the price of a pint in Dublin. I accept that times are tough for many in the current climate but no one is forcing you to pay to watch a stream of a LOI game

There is not a limited amount of subscribtions available. It is not a ticket service with a capacity. There is a near unlimited amount of subscriptions you could sell.

The question should how to maximise the amount of money coming in, because the outgoings will stay the roughly the same no matter how many people use the service. 10 people paying 5euro makes more money than 7 people paying 7euro, with zero extra costs for LOItv.

Again, what other streaming service works like this? Maybe a once off pay-per-view Boxing, which has plenty of build up for it, but no month long season. Nearly every other streaming service has something akin to season pass. Not having a season pass is just pure incompetence, which no-one else would do.

Obvisouly you cant go too cheap , but there definitley is a magic number which maximises the largest pool of paying customers with the largest price. Having on average 2 euro for a game might bring in the same number as those willing to pay 3 euro, but the increase in people willing to pay 3 euro for a game would offset the money made from people paying 4 euro for a game. 7 euro is far to expensive and I am willing to bet there are LOItv games with single digit paying watchers (which again is why not having a streaming pass is stupid).

To give anecdotal edvidence to tie together the price and season pass. If a season pass was offered for 100 euro (very cheap by all means, like 55cent for every league game or 3euro for only your teams games), 4 people in my family would willing pay without to much thought. We would all be very happy with the service.

Now with the current offer of 7 euro per game, we bought it on average twice each, which means 4 times by the end of the season. There is various factors why... going to games.. having to pay each time for us puts you off.... things come up during games times.... maybe you miss the first 30 min , so there is no point in paying the 7 euro ..... zero desire to pay 7 euro to watch other teams in the league without Dundalk... neighbour is watching (maybe has a dodgy box) more craic to watch it him ...etc. etc.

So we will give LOItv 112 euro, while if a very cheap season pass was offered we would have spent 400 euro. The costs for LOItv is still the same.

There is a reason why LOItv is an outlier in how it is run.

[Neish]

There is not a limited amount of subscribtions available. It is not a ticket service with a capacity. There is a near unlimited amount of subscriptions you could sell.

The question should how to maximise the amount of money coming in, because the outgoings will stay the roughly the same no matter how many people use the service. 10 people paying 5euro makes more money than 7 people paying 7euro, with zero extra costs for LOItv.

Again, what other streaming service works like this? Maybe a once off pay-per-view Boxing, which has plenty of build up for it, but no month long season. Nearly every other streaming service has something akin to season pass. Not having a season pass is just pure incompetence, which no-one else would do.

Obvisouly you cant go too cheap , but there definitley is a magic number which maximises the largest pool of paying customers with the largest price. Having on average 2 euro for a game might bring in the same number as those willing to pay 3 euro, but the increase in people willing to pay 3 euro for a game would offset the money made from people paying 4 euro for a game. 7 euro is far to expensive and I am willing to bet there are LOItv games with single digit paying watchers (which again is why not having a streaming pass is stupid).

To give anecdotal edvidence to tie together the price and season pass. If a season pass was offered for 100 euro (very cheap by all means, like 55cent for every league game or 3euro for only your teams games), 4 people in my family would willing pay without to much thought. We would all be very happy with the service.

Now with the current offer of 7 euro per game, we bought it on average twice each, which means 4 times by the end of the season. There is various factors why... going to games.. having to pay each time for us puts you off.... things come up during games times.... maybe you miss the first 30 min , so there is no point in paying the 7 euro ..... zero desire to pay 7 euro to watch other teams in the league without Dundalk... neighbour is watching (maybe has a dodgy box) more craic to watch it him ...etc. etc.

So we will give LOItv 112 euro, while if a very cheap season pass was offered we would have spent 400 euro. The costs for LOItv is still the same.

There is a reason why LOItv is an outlier in how it is run.

Ther is a limited amount of subscriptions, the LOI has a very limited market. This is fact, this is how it been in my 25-30 years of going of attending game. With package you get all the money in one lump much harder
to budget for unexpected cost and rising cost of production throughout the season.

The club have been funding this the for over a year now they worked with the providers of LOI TV and the FAI to set a cost they found sustainable .

[Kiki Balboa]

Ther is a limited amount of subscriptions, the LOI has a very limited market. This is fact, this is how it been in my 25-30 years of going of attending game. With package you get all the money in one lump much harder
to budget for unexpected cost and rising cost of production throughout the season.

The club have been funding this the for over a year now they worked with the providers of LOI TV and the FAI to set a cost they found sustainable .


You are not getting the point, of course the market is limited (as with everything), but the product itself (paying subsription to LOItv) is near unlimted. It is not a factory with the capacity of only producing 'x' amount of football jerseys, which each jersey having its own cost to make. LOItv can have 1 or 1,000 or 10,000 or 100,000 paying subscriptions with the (roughly) same capitcity and without (greatly) increasing its own production cost.

The number of people willing to buy is limited, but at the same time it is affected by the price. So there is a meeting point between the highest amount of people willing to paying the highest price. Since the product is (near) unlimited, you can get the highest profit from actually having a pretty cheap price, as it will be bought the most.

Again, if you can find another subscription service (in sports or entertainment) that works like LOItv, I will happily eat my hat. Netflix for example costed only 8 euro a month (with all the benefits like password sharing, so 4 people could be on a 8 euro package), which is very cheap considering movie prices. Once they created a support base, they could increase the price.

LOItv has severly limited its own potential customer base with this strategy. My guess again is the only people who will spend more than 100 euros on it will be people within the football industry, or hardcore LOI fans living outside of Ireland. Its no surprise either. GAA go was set up to do the exact same thing, try to exploit Irish migrants abroad with high prices (but that was also competing with free-to-air tv games within Ireland). My guess is the people behind LOItv just copied the GAA go system, which obvisoulsy doesn't fit to our sport or league.
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And a big lump-sum works the exact opposite way. It would much better for the service provider, as they would have a much clearer picture of their budget and constraints.

That is why football teams love selling season tickets to actual home games.

[bohsmug]

So many people have IPTV subs these days and are used to using it for their sport. So aside from having to pay per stream, it's also far more hassle. I would think the crossover between people who want to stream LOI games and those who have IPTV subs is fairly large. Generally speaking, there's no restricted access. Streams can be found for free online or through IPTV subs. So you'd think many potential customers would pay out of loyalty and/or because they want the product to remain. The lack of a season pass doesn't give the opportunity to just hand over 150 quid (or whatever) at the start of the season and be done with it. Particularly to season ticket holders who are used to handing over a sum of money before the season starts.

I just think it's a fundamental misunderstanding of its likely customer base. Season ticket holders and the LOI "loyal" type who generally just hand over money to clubs for almost anything, often in the interest of keeping things going.

[sbgawa]

So many people have IPTV subs these days and are used to using it for their sport. So aside from having to pay per stream, it's also far more hassle. I would think the crossover between people who want to stream LOI games and those who have IPTV subs is fairly large. Generally speaking, there's no restricted access. Streams can be found for free online or through IPTV subs. So you'd think many potential customers would pay out of loyalty and/or because they want the product to remain. The lack of a season pass doesn't give the opportunity to just hand over 150 quid (or whatever) at the start of the season and be done with it. Particularly to season ticket holders who are used to handing over a sum of money before the season starts.

I just think it's a fundamental misunderstanding of its likely customer base. Season ticket holders and the LOI "loyal" type who generally just hand over money to clubs for almost anything, often in the interest of keeping things going.

This is true.
When Rovers offered a refund on Season tickets for the season that was cancelled the number who came looking was barely into double digits.
I suspect the same around most clubs

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

Half time on LOITV. A big interview with Ogbene previewing the 4 games at the start of last month.

[exiled_gufc_fan]

With the robot cameras it can be 50-50 if you even see the goals. Didn't pay for it this week after the rubbish coverage in the past few weeks.

In first division sides often only worth it if they have human operated cameras.

[nigel-harps1954]

Find it a bit strange, if not a bit backwards, that the likes of Wexford, Longford and Athlone can provide zero budget, good quality, LOITV streams, and the bigger budget sides like Galway, Bray and Waterford stick with the absolutely dreadful pixellot camera system. It's awful looking and near impossible to watch for 90 minutes.

[sbgawa]

Find it a bit strange, if not a bit backwards, that the likes of Wexford, Longford and Athlone can provide zero budget, good quality, LOITV streams, and the bigger budget sides like Galway, Bray and Waterford stick with the absolutely dreadful pixellot camera system. It's awful looking and near impossible to watch for 90 minutes.

Couldn't agree more , should be part of the participation criteria to provide a stream worth paying for
BTW the Rory Gaffney winner against Harps has 815,000 views and rising on Rovers twitter account , the goal itself was alright but the commentary is what made it go viral ;)
sorry dont know how to link

[joey B]

LOI TV season pass returning for the new season, whinging all season does work!!

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/soccer-news/loitv-season-pass-set-return-28751574?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

[culloty82]

Presumably there will be the option, like in the EFL's iFollow, to solely subscribe to a given team's matches?

[RealJohn91]

I wouldn't presume anything about that service

[ger121]

Good news but I expect the season ticket pass to be a bit more than it was in 2021.

[legendz]

There should be a season pass per club. An option then for all games home and away. An option for away games only.

[bohsmug]

We'll see how much the season ticket is. It's a great service overall. Being able to watch games across the league is great.

[joey B]

A season pass, half season pass and individual priced games will be perfect for the service....

[outspoken]

We'll see how much the season ticket is. It's a great service overall. Being able to watch games across the league is great.
Figure I've been told is ridiculously good value

[ToberonaTornado]

Quite a good exercise to remove it last year and then see what the demand was.(ST for it)
Will be interesting to see how they price it?

[legendz]

They should consider making the highlights show available through YouTube as well. It's a better platform for promoting the content.

[brendy_éire]

A season pass, half season pass and individual priced games will be perfect for the service....

Bit late for it this year, but an option to add on LoI TV to your season ticket would be ideal.

[nigel-harps1954]

They'd have done well to develop a basic app for this. Make it mobile friendly viewing, easy to cast to TV, and even available to download onto smart TV. Think they've really missed a trick there and would go some way towards dealing with IPTV services having the run on it.

[yurt]

Taken from an article in the sun (on mobile so struggling with formatting):

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/10117949/league-of-ireland-retrospective-red-cards/

"Now, though, it has been decided to revert to a season-pass model which is expected to be priced at €120."

Assuming this is just for a season pass for one club?
I wonder if there will be an option to buy all games for all clubs like you could during COVID seasons.

[sbgawa]

Id say that will be for all clubs, hopefully anyway i enjoy watching matches that involve teams other than Rovers.
I'll definitly be a buyer at that anyway between myself and kids we spent more at €7 a crack last season

[outspoken]

€120 for the lot I heard, not just a club pass. It's too cheap imo

[nigel-harps1954]

Definitely too cheap at that but won't complain about it anyway.

[total hoofball]

If it's €120 for all the games I would 100% sign up, if it was just for my club for 36 games I wouldn't be sure as I'd be hopeful of attending at least 20+ of the games maybe that's why that price may be for every game

[ger121]

€120 for all club games is a seriously good price. Will be a good uptake this season I suspect.

[SPXcyan]

This is excellent value for people like me living abroad, I can watch a few matches over the week/weekend now as apposed to one or two, lovely.

[timothydec77]

I bought season passes in the past for Loi.tv

I didn't buy any matches last year.

Lots of time it was a question of watching other sports for free or paying for a match on loi.tv.

[yurt]

I logged onto to LOITV for the first time since the end of last season and not sure if it's new look has been discussed here.

Confirmed on the website that it is 120 for a season pass for all clubs. Match passes stay the same price at 7 and 5 for PD and FD respectively.

Not sure what numbers LOITV does usually but I wonder if they could break 10k season passes at that price point.

[ger121]

They really need to start advertising this somewhere. Under 3 weeks to the new season and I have seen no promotion of it yet or anything official on the ST price.

[Loifan_76]

It's probably a soft launch to test for issues before they launch it proper. Good the prices are staying the same.

[CuanaD]

Bit late for it this year, but an option to add on LoI TV to your season ticket would be ideal.


I bought season passes in the past for Loi.tv

I didn't buy any matches last year.

Lots of time it was a question of watching other sports for free or paying for a match on loi.tv.


They really need to start advertising this somewhere. Under 3 weeks to the new season and I have seen no promotion of it yet or anything official on the ST price.

Same here, I didn't buy one of the €7 passes, but I will pay€120 for the year.

I like that they are going with both types of options this time - the single pass option will still suit some people

[TonyD]

They'd have done well to develop a basic app for this. Make it mobile friendly viewing, easy to cast to TV, and even available to download onto smart TV. Think they've really missed a trick there and would go some way towards dealing with IPTV services having the run on it.

Agree. I couldn’t cast it to my TV last year (was using a Roku stick.) I could get sound but no picture. If any technically minded people have a solution it would be gladly received.

[Olander]

A very easy way to cast LOITV onto your TV screen is as follows:

Take a HDMI cable, stick one end into your laptop, stick the other end into your TV. Load the LOI TV site and game that you want to watch. On your laptop change it to fullscreen, so that it covers your entire TV screen and turn up the volume to suit. Worked for me last season no problems.

[joey B]

https://surelookit.com/products/iphone-to-hdmi-4k-video-digital-av-cable-adapter-iphone-to-tv-white?variant=39435235393673&currency=EUR&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=Cj0KCQiA8t2eBhDeARIsAAVEga1ZvifKgCZZ11VvMbAD 3NTj0khFmpjKGaQbbIoCxh8604ldLl1JLDsaAq5_EALw_wcB

If you have an iPhone you can mirror the LOI TV website from iPhone to the TV with the above adaptor and HDMI cable, worked pretty well for me, its the same idea as above just with your phone...

[nigel-harps1954]

In this day and age, shouldn't have to be doing that. With the amount of smart TVs, android boxes, playstations, and other devices that support apps, that are in most peoples houses by now, an app should be well up on the list of to-do for the FAI in any streaming service.

I would wager that a good app would significantly increase the amount of sign-ups, and viewers on any match night as people watch on their TV's, phones or tablets, much more conveniently to them.

[outspoken]

In this day and age, shouldn't have to be doing that. With the amount of smart TVs, android boxes, playstations, and other devices that support apps, that are in most peoples houses by now, an app should be well up on the list of to-do for the FAI in any streaming service.

I would wager that a good app would significantly increase the amount of sign-ups, and viewers on any match night as people watch on their TV's, phones or tablets, much more conveniently to them.

100% spot on.

[TonyD]

https://surelookit.com/products/iphone-to-hdmi-4k-video-digital-av-cable-adapter-iphone-to-tv-white?variant=39435235393673&currency=EUR&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=Cj0KCQiA8t2eBhDeARIsAAVEga1ZvifKgCZZ11VvMbAD 3NTj0khFmpjKGaQbbIoCxh8604ldLl1JLDsaAq5_EALw_wcB

If you have an iPhone you can mirror the LOI TV website from iPhone to the TV with the above adaptor and HDMI cable, worked pretty well for me, its the same idea as above just with your phone...

That looks like it might be the answer. I don’t have a laptop, I have an IPhone, an IPad and an IMac . The IMac was what I used last year, for the bigger screen, but it’s in an upstairs home office, and would be far more comfortable to watch games on the TV. Would it have to be a new IPhone/IPad ? I have an iPhone 6, and my iPad is fairly old too, think I have it about 6/7 years.