England V Republic of Ireland - Thursday, 12th November 2020 - Friendly

[BOOMSHAKALAKA]

Surely Rice will be too ashamed of himself to line out in this game? He'll fake an injury or something?

[elatedscum]

Surely Rice will be too ashamed of himself to line out in this game? He'll fake an injury or something?

Hopefully James McClean shows him how much it means to be Irish when you’re from the bogside

[seanfhear]

Can’t see Rice or Grealish playing. It would be just too provocative. England have plenty of options and plenty of other game to play them and its only a meaning;ess friendly. Why would they play them in a meaningless friendly ?

[DCWA]

Surely the poppy thing won’t be an issue, it is not a domestic English game, it is an international friendly and there will be no expectation that a visiting nation wear a poppy.

Correct me if I’m wrong as my memory on it is far from clear but previously when The FA had the set to with FIFA which result in them wearing poppy armbands I don’t believe the opposition that night wore a poppy?

[Bielsa´s irish]

hola acá
https://twitter.com/DomesticIreland/status/1318895456219500545/photo/1

[tetsujin1979]

i checked on twitter the english are promoting this grudge match with Declan Rice in an irish shirt

Good, you can post the tweets from English twitter users saying this, and if you don't I'll give you an infraction for an unproven allegation


hola acá
https://twitter.com/DomesticIreland/status/1318895456219500545/photo/1
That's not an English twitter user, and nowhere does it say this is a grudge match

[irishfan86]

RE: The poppy, I thought this was going to be a non-issue based on my understanding of the etiquette in Canada (worn up to November 11). Is the poppy worn beyond that in the UK?

[geysir]

For fear of fan reaction all the booing

Should there be poppies and James present, it would indeed be very very freaky should Sky Sports enhance the audio with boos and the racist abuse.

[Bungle]

Wrong im with Trap and MON, Brady and Kerr on this one, we have to attempt to qualify for every WC no matter what, we have been ripped off by crocked referees a long time. We are Ireland we could have reached the wc 2002 final, and win it, but thats another story

I remember a lot of those times we were robbed. We had fabulous players galore. I actually think our team in the early 80s was possibly better than what Jack had. I find it incredible how little Whelan for one is mentioned in the running for our greatest 11s. A rolls royce of a player in one of the greatest club sides of all time and a stalwart of Liverpool for well over a decade, when they were majestic.

The thing is our current team has a generally solid keeper, a decent defence, a lot of piano movers in midfield and no current goalscorers. I like McGoldrick and he offers something but he isn't going to bag 7-8 goals over a campaign. We have no world class players or anything close. We have two very good premier league players in Doherty and Coleman whose best position is the same. We have a few good premier league players to be fair.

We have a very bright future imo. The numbers of excellent young players coming through makes me think that we will have a very good team in about 4 years. It's not hard to qualify for a euros these days so lets use the next campaign to get them ready for the 2024 campaign which I would expect us to qualify for.

The teams of yesteryear with the quality of the players needed to go after qualification. This team needs to give it's all and show big improvements over the next two years. If it does that I'll be happy.

[Scrufil]

If Connolly could be tutored a little to relax in front of goal he might be our rough diamond striker. Reminds me of how Sterling would need 4 chances before scoring one, then someone got a hold of him and taught him to score. What Ireland need is a forwards coach. Maybe apply some old fashioned training methods, like play with a lighter ball, or use a softer ball, (ball with some air let out) to improve touch.
With a full Irish squad, no injuries or Covid 'outees' we will give England a game, my reading being England want a runout and are less concerned about the result.

[BOOMSHAKALAKA]

If Connolly could be tutored a little to relax in front of goal he might be our rough diamond striker. Reminds me of how Sterling would need 4 chances before scoring one, then someone got a hold of him and taught him to score. What Ireland need is a forwards coach. Maybe apply some old fashioned training methods, like play with a lighter ball, or use a softer ball, (ball with some air let out) to improve touch.
With a full Irish squad, no injuries or Covid 'outees' we will give England a game, my reading being England want a runout and are less concerned about the result.

Don't make any plans, I think Kenny will be on the buzzer to you when he hears of your ingenious training methods. ;)

[Razors left peg]

Ive been thinking about this game this morning and rather than look at it negatively like I had been there might be some positives.

If we just take the game on its merits and forget all the other crap I dont think England will hammer us as some people are saying. I would have much rather a "smaller" team that we could pick up a win from but we always raise our game against England. When does any one remember them giving us a hiding? We all know about the big games like in 88 etc, but I have a very specific memory of the 1995 game that was abandoned. We had so many injuries in the squad that on the morning of the game I remember my father suggesting that we might not travel to Dublin for it because there was no point. For the half hour or so that was actually played we were great and we all know what happened after David Kelly put us into the lead. My point is though that we raised our game massively that night, even with basically a B team.

The players wont fear the English players as they play against them every week. Player for player they are better than us, but we've been in that situation plenty of times. What better time for Kenny to get a great result and get the general public on board. Realistically I wouldnt be betting any money on us winning the game but I'd be very confident of putting in a great performance and see where that brings us.

[Trequartista20]

I really don't fancy playing this mob at so low an ebb. It's just a really bad idea.

If ever there were a time for a friendly against Oman, it's now.

[Fixer82]

RE: The poppy, I thought this was going to be a non-issue based on my understanding of the etiquette in Canada (worn up to November 11). Is the poppy worn beyond that in the UK?

For the month of November usually. It's a serious agenda and the English FA are very keen to roll out the military at any given opportunity

[Trequartista20]

For the month of November usually. It's a serious agenda and the English FA are very keen to roll out the military at any given opportunity

It's actually a Canadian institution, originally, later imported into the UK. What was once a simple mark of respect for, in the main, working-class British and Irish men conscripted into a war that was largely futile, and hugely barbaric - a disgraceful waste of human life - has now taken an unfortunate and rather sinister turn.

It's now a jingoistic and rather tacky event, ever increasing in timescale and scope, and something that, if I were I a footballer, I would refuse to have any part in.

[Scrufil]

Don't make any plans, I think Kenny will be on the buzzer to you when he hears of your ingenious training methods. ;)

Actually Kenny used an old fashioned idea for one of the corners in the last Irish game. I would term it 'a double/treble cross'. Pass the ball to the opposite edge of the box, over players heads, pass ball back to corner taker who then crosses to attackers in box. This has the effect of turning the opposition twice, while the Irish players stay in the correct position to receive the ball.
Old move but it nearly paid off.
Too many players hitting the ball over the crossbar early in games? It comes down to an energy rush, they will always hit it harder in an actual match than in training. They need a type of 'softness' order, via mind training to get into the habit of underhitting the ball early in games.
Kenny give me a call if yer stuck, we'll bate them old Swinging Chariots and take their wheels home with us.

[geysir]

Timing is a valid issue against this game happening but if it is to be played, best to have it as the first game. The game v Wales doesn't matter if Bulgaria (a pot 5 team) are beaten.
The game will be played in an almost empty stadium, not a poppy or abusive jingoists in view.

Kenny can use the game to the benefit of the team. It's England and if you don't want an Ireland v England game to happen in some shape because of a fear of getting beaten then there is no reply to that because there is no sense to it.

[Bielsa´s irish]

Ive been thinking about this game this morning and rather than look at it negatively like I had been there might be some positives.

If we just take the game on its merits and forget all the other crap I dont think England will hammer us as some people are saying. I would have much rather a "smaller" team that we could pick up a win from but we always raise our game against England. When does any one remember them giving us a hiding? We all know about the big games like in 88 etc, but I have a very specific memory of the 1995 game that was abandoned. We had so many injuries in the squad that on the morning of the game I remember my father suggesting that we might not travel to Dublin for it because there was no point. For the half hour or so that was actually played we were great and we all know what happened after David Kelly put us into the lead. My point is though that we raised our game massively that night, even with basically a B team.

The players wont fear the English players as they play against them every week. Player for player they are better than us, but we've been in that situation plenty of times. What better time for Kenny to get a great result and get the general public on board. Realistically I wouldnt be betting any money on us winning the game but I'd be very confident of putting in a great performance and see where that brings us.

Yes but attitude doesnt fix it, we have no dangerous dribblers like Frank Stapleton nor a Tony Galvin out and out marauding winger as stubburn and as good as old Tony, we are gonna get mauled by the english this time,
My point is Kenny plays it openly, thats very easy to attack,
no attendance some no pressure factor for them, it is easy to perform, with flair players like mount, maddison, grealish, sterling, kane, foden and rice

They have 3 times at least our very best eleven players at the highest level, (randolph, coleman, egan, clark, stevens, doherty, mccarthy, hendrick, brady, mcgoldrick, connolly.) r it is just too much to ask.

The difference is notorious and outrageous. 4-0 or 5-1 for the Empire.

The only chance is playing it tight, all men behind the ball under this circunstances , go for a low key defeat, 2-0. Bad timing.

[seanfhear]

Yes but attitude doesnt fix it, we have no dangerous dribblers like Frank Stapleton nor a Tony Galvin out and out marauding winger as stubburn and as good as old Tony, we are gonna get mauled by the english this time,
My point is Kenny plays it openly, thats very easy to attack,
no attendance some no pressure factor for them, it is easy to perform, with flair players like mount, maddison, grealish, sterling, kane, foden and rice

They have 3 times at least our very best eleven players at the highest level, (randolph, coleman, egan, clark, stevens, doherty, mccarthy, hendrick, brady, mcgoldrick, connolly.) r it is just too much to ask.

The difference is notorious and outrageous. 4-0 or 5-1 for the Empire.

The only chance is playing it tight, all men behind the ball under this circunstances , go for a low key defeat, 2-0. Bad timing.

Ban this idiot ! !

[jbyrne]

I really don't fancy playing this mob at so low an ebb. It's just a really bad idea.

If ever there were a time for a friendly against Oman, it's now.

that's a bit defeatist. its a decent opportunity to maybe kickstart the SK era. we don't concede many goals so I am not overly concerned about us. we cant just hide in the corner and avoid challenges like this. our football history is littered with decent friendly results against the odds

[Bielsa´s irish]

Ban this idiot ! !

Sean, just because im telling it as it is. I dont think we can compete against them just now. Attendance can put some pressure. I would give everything within my scope for an irish victory en 19 days, but a draw seems a very difficullt outcome, Dont get angry we need better players like before

[Bielsa´s irish]

Ban this idiot ! !

if you play progressive football against a quick young team with the sense of a derby match, dont think that strategy is clever, now a tight 4-5-1 we may get a chance in a set-piece.

Roy Keane talked about the lack of class in the team.

we need a flair goalscorer like Stapleton,

some marauding wingers like duff, galvin and sheedy

clever playmakers like ronnie whelan liam brady or even hoolahan

we dont have those players anymore. I would have loved a home game vs Norway instead

[Bielsa´s irish]

I really don't fancy playing this mob at so low an ebb. It's just a really bad idea.

If ever there were a time for a friendly against Oman, it's now.

Totally agree, and your assistant manager said on tv Andrews fellow, something like we are gonna see if this was a good or a bad idea after the event. He flips a coin. I hope this Parrott fellow becomes the new Frank Stapleton because he is the same type of player, but time will tell

[tetsujin1979]

Yes but attitude doesnt fix it, we have no dangerous dribblers like Frank Stapleton nor a Tony Galvin out and out marauding winger as stubburn and as good as old Tony, we are gonna get mauled by the english this time,
My point is Kenny plays it openly, thats very easy to attack,
no attendance some no pressure factor for them, it is easy to perform, with flair players like mount, maddison, grealish, sterling, kane, foden and rice

They have 3 times at least our very best eleven players at the highest level, (randolph, coleman, egan, clark, stevens, doherty, mccarthy, hendrick, brady, mcgoldrick, connolly.) r it is just too much to ask.

The difference is notorious and outrageous. 4-0 or 5-1 for the Empire.

The only chance is playing it tight, all men behind the ball under this circunstances , go for a low key defeat, 2-0. Bad timing.

Stapleton was not a dribbler.

[seanfhear]

Stapleton was not a dribbler.
To put it mildly.

[Fixer82]

Stapleton was not a dribbler.

He was after a few pints!

[BOOMSHAKALAKA]

Actually Kenny used an old fashioned idea for one of the corners in the last Irish game. I would term it 'a double/treble cross'. Pass the ball to the opposite edge of the box, over players heads, pass ball back to corner taker who then crosses to attackers in box. This has the effect of turning the opposition twice, while the Irish players stay in the correct position to receive the ball.
Old move but it nearly paid off.
Too many players hitting the ball over the crossbar early in games? It comes down to an energy rush, they will always hit it harder in an actual match than in training. They need a type of 'softness' order, via mind training to get into the habit of underhitting the ball early in games.
Kenny give me a call if yer stuck, we'll bate them old Swinging Chariots and take their wheels home with us.

No harm but these are coaching tips for the u10's at the local club, long way from senior international level. I like your optimism though.:cheerful:

[paul_oshea]

The main positive() for me over the 5 games consistently was how we looked defensively bar a couple of stupid mistakes here or there which I don't think are symptoms of the system.
So I want to see them against a strong top tier footballing side. I don't think it matters who we play at this stage scoring is going to be an issue for us, so let's test ourselves against a proper nation. If ireland come out without conceding against England it will be seen as a good result and a positive for Kenny.

That's forgetting about the whole base and logistical sense it makes from a non-footballing side too due to covid. I do feel Kenny probably didn't want England at this early point though.

[youngirish]

Stapleton was not a dribbler.

Neither was Galvin. He weighed about 20 stone.

[Bielsa´s irish]

The main positive() for me over the 5 games consistently was how we looked defensively bar a couple of stupid mistakes here or there which I don't think are symptoms of the system.
So I want to see them against a strong top tier footballing side. I don't think it matters who we play at this stage scoring is going to be an issue for us, so let's test ourselves against a proper nation. If ireland come out without conceding against England it will be seen as a good result and a positive for Kenny.

That's forgetting about the whole base and logistical sense it makes from a non-footballing side too due to covid. I do feel Kenny probably didn't want England at this early point though.

So the main plan test the team against a candidate nation, to check our defensive display, ok it is a risk.

Stapleton was a good dribbler until he got injured, was a complete player, on Galvin he was very fast i dont recall him overweight, he was the left forward with ricky villa and Ossie, very fast and strong.

[tetsujin1979]

Stapleton was never a dribbler, ever. Stop claiming otherwise.

[elatedscum]

What are the odds on Patrick making his england debut in this game?

[Bielsa´s irish]

What are the odds on Patrick making his england debut in this game?

They have Danny Ings and Callum Wilson ahead but a very solid chance. read and article , en el espejo irlandés, two hours ago about some irish folks asking for him to declare, after this hattrick, that is clueless this preppy fellow is gone.

[gustavo]

The only thing that would make this game worthwhile would be if we were somehow to win and Rice, Grealish and Keane were all on the pitch.

[Charlie Darwin]

They have Danny Ings and Callum Wilson ahead but a very solid chance. read and article , en el espejo irlandés, two hours ago about some irish folks asking for him to declare, after this hattrick, that is clueless this preppy fellow is gone.
I actually agree we should forget about Bamford, particularly as he's likely to get an England cap soon, but just want to shout my appreciation for the AC Slaterisation of foot.ie with calling him 'preppy.'

[Bielsa´s irish]

I actually agree we should forget about Bamford, particularly as he's likely to get an England cap soon, but just want to shout my appreciation for the AC Slaterisation of foot.ie with calling him 'preppy.'

preppy posh conchetto pijos in Spain upper class people.

Dont want an upper class fellow to play for Ireland. When I envisage an irish soccer player, I think about someone who looks like Kevin Moran, Lee Carsley, Stephen Reid or Dennis Irwin to name a few, I mean working class heroes. Regular Joes. Tough people with good attitude. Football make you rich but you cant forget your roots

[tetsujin1979]

They have Danny Ings and Callum Wilson ahead but a very solid chance. read and article , en el espejo irlandés, two hours ago about some irish folks asking for him to declare, after this hattrick, that is clueless this preppy fellow is gone.

I would very much like to read this article, please provide it

[gustavo]

preppy posh conchetto pijos in Spain upper class people.

Dont want an upper class fellow to play for Ireland. When I envisage an irish soccer player, I think about someone who looks like Kevin Moran, Lee Carsley, Stephen Reid or Dennis Irwin to name a few, I mean working class heroes. Regular Joes. Tough people with good attitude. Football make you rich but you cant forget your roots

What an arbitrary bunch, unless you know they have all had the same background

[Bielsa´s irish]

I would very much like to read this article, please provide it

my good man
google it with patrick bamford ireland irish mirror

it has been a prosecution against me,, flaco thats because only my granny is from there , so it can be discrimination!

[Bielsa´s irish]

What an arbitrary bunch, unless you know they have all had the same background

dont want upper class footballers in the irish national team. For that reason Bamford shouldnt play for us. We need more people like McClean

[pineapple stu]

I would very much like to read this article, please provide it
I think he means this article (https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/patrick-bamford-ireland-leeds-hattrick-22897509).

"Espejo irlandés" - Irish Mirror

Just Bielsa's usual cryptic bull**** that's honestly getting a little bit tired at this stage.

[Bielsa´s irish]

I think he means this article (https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/patrick-bamford-ireland-leeds-hattrick-22897509).

"Espejo irlandés" - Irish Mirror

Just Bielsa's usual cryptic bull**** that's honestly getting a little bit tired at this stage.

sorry didt know i could copy and paste another media. The thing is that i have been under a prosecution for the info I bring. It has been under a scrutinity of true not true

[tetsujin1979]

You can post links, and excerpts from articles, just not the entire article.
And never anything from the sun or the mail.

[Bielsa´s irish]

You can post links, and excerpts from articles, just not the entire article.
And never anything from the sun or the mail.

ok understood

[paul_oshea]

The only thing that would make this game worthwhile would be if we were somehow to win and Rice, Grealish and Keane were all on the pitch.

Haven't seen you posting here for a long while welcome back Gustavo!!

[tetsujin1979]

Game will be going ahead two days short of the 30th anniversary of the 1-1 draw in November 1990, the qualifier for Euro 92
Full game is on YouTube
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[Fixer82]

They haven’t beaten us in 35 years. Wonder can we keep that record going

[John83]

They haven’t beaten us in 35 years. Wonder can we keep that record going
There's a chance, as we'll probably be more motivated. Bigger standard gap than usual though, so it's a big ask.

[Bielsa´s irish]

They haven’t beaten us in 35 years. Wonder can we keep that record going

I dont wanna curb our enthusiasm, but is gonna be very hard match for Ireland. They defeated easily the welsh 3-0, they are gonna play their brand shining yougsters eager to take off the green 35 years old monkey of the 3 lions back.

[Bielsa´s irish]

There's a chance, as we'll probably be more motivated. Bigger standard gap than usual though, so it's a big ask.

Yes thats the thing, we are in a transition allright? So the thing is if we are gonna play the way Stephen wants we might be doomed against those youngsters, but if we come up with a plan to get a result there, a draw or a win, we may get a chance, it is up to Kenny. If he takes the game as a warm up, or as a classic match.

The problem is, he plays his way, very open, etc etc, we might be chasing shadows, 4-0, 5-0 and the people in ithe Republic wont tolerate that will ask for his resignation. So we got to go with a different plan for this derby match