Leinster Senior Cup

[TheBoss]

Yup - summer in Ireland has always started on 1 May.

In England and the rest of Europe, it starts on 1 June - but that means November is autumn, Feb is winter, etc, which is weird. Met Éireann use this and call it "meteorological summer". Midsummer is big in some scandinavian countries in particular, but they still have summer starting on 1 June, which is just a flat contradiction.

In the US, summer starts on 22 June, which I've never gotten my head around. This is technically "astronomical summer" - but I've never heard anyone in Ireland use it.

The difference between Irish seasons and other seasons is that others group months by temperature, while we group them by the grand aul stretch in the evening - partly because, as the last week has shown, the weather here is just too unreliable to base anything off.

Those that say summer begins on May 1 are following Celtic tradition but the facts show that summer begins when the sun starts to shine on the earth more due to mainly increased day length and it begins in mid June. Those that say June 1 are more on the money, as in early July is Perihelion (Earth's furthest position from the Sun), so the the months before and after July are opposites.

[pineapple stu]

Those that say summer begins on May 1 are following Celtic tradition
Of course. And they're entirely correct. This is a Celtic nation.

Your "fact" about when summer starts is completely arbitrary. Also "summer begins when the sun starts to shine on the earth more due to mainly increased day length and it begins in mid June" doesn't make any sense, because you're saying that increased day length signals the start of summer, and this occurs when the days start getting shorter.

[TheBoss]

Of course. And they're entirely correct. This is a Celtic nation.

Your "fact" about when summer starts is completely arbitrary. Also "summer begins when the sun starts to shine on the earth more due to mainly increased day length and it begins in mid June" doesn't make any sense, because you're saying that increased day length signals the start of summer, and this occurs when the days start getting shorter.

That is common thing that many people often argue when they hear about the solstice and start of summer.

To try and simplify it, the temperatures of the oceans are still relativity cold from the previous winter and it takes time for the them to warm up and the process starts to speed up when mid June comes allowing for the warm temperatures in July, August and September.

[Charlie Darwin]

That is common thing that many people often argue when they hear about the solstice and start of summer.
I don't want to rain on your parade TheBoss (especially not in spring/winter/summer) but I really don't think there are any common arguments had about this subject.

[pineapple stu]

To try and simplify it, the temperatures of the oceans are still relativity cold from the previous winter and it takes time for the them to warm up and the process starts to speed up when mid June comes allowing for the warm temperatures in July, August and September.
I'm aware of how that works. But your post was still contradictory.

And there's still no reason to view your preferred definition of summer as anything other than arbitrary. So arbitrary, in fact, that it has to be called astronomical summer to separate it from meteorological summer or even irish summer. And this is because we can't even define what summer is! Is it the warmest time of year or the time of year with most daylight?

No-one in Ireland views summer as starting on 22 June (midsummer). In Ireland, summer starts on 1 May. So your "correction" of my post wasn't needed as I was correct in identifying that summer here starts on Sunday. It's up to the weather to catch up whenever it's ready.

[Titan]

Slightly off topic and not weather related but UCD V Bohs in the semis. According to the UCD Twitter people. Tried looking at the Leinster Senior League Twitter to confirm the other semi but I'm still blocked soooooo

[pineapple stu]

Wexford at home v Collinstown in the other semi, say Collinstown

[jinxy lilywhite]

That is common thing that many people often argue when they hear about the solstice and start of summer.

To try and simplify it, the temperatures of the oceans are still relativity cold from the previous winter and it takes time for the them to warm up and the process starts to speed up when mid June comes allowing for the warm temperatures in July, August and September.


Thats correct. In the northern hemisphere the warmest time of the year historically is from mid july to mid august as the heat retained in the earth is still there even though the days are getting shorter. Also since there is more land in the nh it absorbs less heat and bounces it back to the atmosphere.

On the flip side in winter the coldest day of the year from the 6th Jan to end of Jan as it takes longer for the oceans to warm up.

[TheBoss]

I'm aware of how that works. But your post was still contradictory.

And there's still no reason to view your preferred definition of summer as anything other than arbitrary. So arbitrary, in fact, that it has to be called astronomical summer to separate it from meteorological summer or even irish summer. And this is because we can't even define what summer is! Is it the warmest time of year or the time of year with most daylight?


Summer is the warmest time of the year, do I have to even say this?

Every country/nation/tribe etc. has their own idea of when the seasons are, so all of them can't all be right if they are all different. But when we let science into this field, I think we can trust that discipline to give us a solution rather than old beliefs and traditions which is often wrong. Meteorological is a weather/temperature based model, where as Astronomical is the position of the earth relative to the sun.



No-one in Ireland views summer as starting on 22 June (midsummer). In Ireland, summer starts on 1 May. So your "correction" of my post wasn't needed as I was correct in identifying that summer here starts on Sunday. It's up to the weather to catch up whenever it's ready.


No one in Ireland may take that view but that does it make it correct. All seasons are based on weather patterns, to say the weather needs to catch up with ancient time stamps when the proof is there to be seen is being very ignorant of the science behind it.

Anyway, didn't expect this to go this far especially in Leinster Senior Cup thread. :D

[pineapple stu]

It's still a completely arbitrary definition, and doesn't change that your "pedantic" correction of my post actually corrected nothing. Given the ultimate irrelevance of what constitutes summer, I'm happy to tell science to take a hike on this one and respect tradition instead. Irish summer starts on 1st May.

But this has become slightly less interesting than the Leinster Senior Cup, if that's actually possible.

Semi final dates are tbc, but is there a calendar around indicating even what week they'd be?

[seand]

Summer football runs from March to early November, therefore summer = March to early November. FACT.

[nigel-harps1954]

I thought summer was last week there..

[Mr A]

Summer = whenever you think summer is. Enough of the horrifically boring off topic discussion FFS.

Back the LSC please.

[pineapple stu]

UCD v Bohs is on this Monday after neither team needed a replay in the FAI Cup.

Winner to face Wexford in the final.

[pineapple stu]

UCD 0-1 Bohs.

Daft goal to give away two minutes from time.

But overall - meh.

[Dalymountrower]

UCD 0-1 Bohs.

Daft goal to give away two minutes from time.

But overall - meh.

Some quality saves from your keeper Stu, Who is he?

A good 70 minutes from Jayo too, fitter than when he was with us last year

[pineapple stu]

Niall Corbet. Performed absolute heroics in Europe last year. Then got dropped later in the season for throwing a couple of balls in the back of the net.

Jayo looks a bit portly to me - don't know how much it says that he's fitter than last year! :D

What sort of Bohs team was that out? I know it was your sub keeper, but heard someone else saying it was a decent-strength Bohs team?

[Dalymountrower]

Niall Corbet. Performed absolute heroics in Europe last year. Then got dropped later in the season for throwing a couple of balls in the back of the net.

Jayo looks a bit portly to me - don't know how much it says that he's fitter than last year! :D

What sort of Bohs team was that out? I know it was your sub keeper, but heard someone else saying it was a decent-strength Bohs team?

Second choice keeper, both full backs, a centre half, centre mid. Other than that ,all first team players. Pretty awful finishing again from our first choice strikers.

[pineapple stu]

So half and half really?

Yeah, thought Akinade in particular got into a lot of good positions, but it wasn't until we set him up ourselves that he scored. A fair few of the shots should at least have been on target, but ended up wide or over. Or off the bar of course.

Not the worst of games in fairness.

[Dalymountrower]

[QUOTE=pineapple stu;1872048]So half and half really?

Yeah, thought Akinade in particular got into a lot of good positions, but it wasn't until we set him up ourselves that he scored. A fair few of the shots should at least have been on target, but ended up wide or over. Or off the bar of course.

Not the worst of games in fairness.[/QUOTE

Yep, good to see the College tradition continuing of ball on the ground].
Would pay the admission fee alone for the PA , .Irish football'S John Le Mesuriers.

[Dalymountrower]

Leinster Cup Final, Monday 29 August.

Bohs 4 Wexford Youths 0

About 500 at it.

[Nesta99]

If it isnt a prestigious trophy it is certainly a lovely one. old and not made of cheap tin like the more current trophies!! If Youths had won it you wouldnt bet against a star being added to a jersey as it would certainly have meant a lot more to them to win!

[Dalymountrower]

If it isnt a prestigious trophy it is certainly a lovely one. old and not made of cheap tin like the more current trophies!! If Youths had won it you wouldnt bet against a star being added to a jersey as it would certainly have meant a lot more to them to win!
Actually seemed to mean quite a bit to the Bohs players (and fans) last night....celebrations started off with the "... we are being consciously ironic here ..(wink)" but once that chunk of a trophy was lifted they genuinely celebrated.

[White Horse]

Actually seemed to mean quite a bit to the Bohs players (and fans) last night....celebrations started off with the "... we are being consciously ironic here ..(wink)" but once that chunk of a trophy was lifted they genuinely celebrated.

And why not, it is trophy. Our lads were delighted to win it last year.

[marinobohs]

Actually seemed to mean quite a bit to the Bohs players (and fans) last night....celebrations started off with the "... we are being consciously ironic here ..(wink)" but once that chunk of a trophy was lifted they genuinely celebrated.

Always nice to pick up silverware (from what I can remember :cool:). helps build team spirit and develop winning mentality.

.....always nice to have an excuse to celebrate with a drink or two for all concerned (players, officials, fans). been a tough couple of years at Dalymount so more than welcome.

[PartySaint]

Pats beat Bray 4-0 in this last night, 2 from Fagan and 1 each for O’Hamlon and Bermo,

Think it’s safe to say we’re going to win the league now.

[outspoken]

Pats beat Bray 4-0 in this last night, 2 from Fagan and 1 each for O’Hamlon and Bermo,

Think it’s safe to say we’re going to win the league now.

Who's that Alex O'Hanlon chap? Was he with ye last season?

[PartySaint]

Who's that Alex O'Hanlon chap? Was he with ye last season?

He only came this year, was with Liverpool for 5 years and then Huddersfield

[Jd2793]

What was he like? Remember catching a few u19 irish games a couple of years ago and he looked very good

He only came this year, was with Liverpool for 5 years and then Huddersfield

[holidaysong]

Anyone know where St. Patrick's CY play? We're playing them next week.

I thought they normally played in Ringsend Park on the astro pitch there as have definitely seen them there beofre, however I seen the fixture listed as 'Irishtown (astro)' - would this be Irishtown Stadium instead?

[littlebray]

We definitely played them in Irishtown Stadium in 2012. Across the way from Ringsend Park, very limited supporters facilities, running track. But handy enough. Easy to google. Good luck

[Charlie Darwin]

Anyone know where St. Patrick's CY play? We're playing them next week.

I thought they normally played in Ringsend Park on the astro pitch there as have definitely seen them there beofre, however I seen the fixture listed as 'Irishtown (astro)' - would this be Irishtown Stadium instead?
Irishtown and Ringsend overlap and the stadium and park are right in the middle. There's only one astro park in Ringsend/Irishtown and it's the one you're thinking of.

[ToberonaTornado]

Dundalk win 4-2 with Kilduff hitting 2 after Carlton Ubaezuono had given Dundalk a 1st half lead.Fats - who was motm for me rounded of the scoring for Dundalk just before the match entered injury time.David Cassidy and Dean Gannon scored for a Decent Pats CY side.

[ToberonaTornado]

Shelbourne 4 Wexford FC 2
UCD 2 Drogheda Utd 0

[kksaints]

Thomastown United beat Shamrock Rovers 1-0 with a 90th minute goal.

[ForzaForth]

Massive congratulations to Thomastown to take a scalp like Shamrock Rovers, even if under-strength, with former Wexford Youths legend and huge fan favourite, CJ Browne, starring for the Noresiders.

[oldyouth]

Massive congratulations to Thomastown to take a scalp like Shamrock Rovers, even if under-strength, with former Wexford Youths legend and huge fan favourite, CJ Browne, starring for the Noresiders.

And Conor English too, I believe

[ForzaForth]

Thanks, Oldyouth

Didn't spot Conor.

[Charlie Darwin]

Wasn't there but deserved win by all accounts. Bradser paying tribute to Nutsy by getting knocked out by a non-league team. Obviously would have preferred they beat someone else but always good to see non-league teams in the latter stages of the LSC.

[Longfordian]

Your boys took a hell of a beating

[Charlie Darwin]

Hopefully Firhouse restore Tallaght's pride then :)

[sbgawa]

Wasn't there but deserved win by all accounts. Bradser paying tribute to Nutsy by getting knocked out by a non-league team. Obviously would have preferred they beat someone else but always good to see non-league teams in the latter stages of the LSC.

Fan protest at the friendly against cliftonville today...bradser out : )

[Darklordsbane]

I just heard Firhouse clover beat Longford 1 nil, any one at the game who can throw some light on the performance or lack of

[Martinho II]

I just heard Firhouse clover beat Longford 1 nil, any one at the game who can throw some light on the performance or lack of

yep I was it. We werent great in first half. Firhouse had only one chance on goal all game and took it well. They were very agressive in their challenges. It was a much weakened side. We only could put out five subs due to injuries. It was only when Sully came on that we dominated and we had two great chances in the space of a few mins. Mulhalls was the best chance near the 90th. How he didnt score I never know. I wont lose sleep over the result as we have far more important things to think about!

[Charlie Darwin]

Hopefully Firhouse restore Tallaght's pride then :)
Gwan Firhouse :)

[HarpoJoyce]

Leinster Senior Cup 5th Round/Quarter Finals
Tuesday 09th May, UCD AFC v Cabinteely FC, UCD Bowl, ko 19:45

South Dublin Derby as Pat Devlin brings his side including a host of former UCD players to Belfield. Both sides are playing well in the league and this should be a great match in sunny, pastoral UCD Bowl. #COYBIB #UCDFANS

[pineapple stu]

UCD 2-1 Cabo.

Two of the scrappiest goals you will ever see. And another one.

Daft competition though

[Poor Student]

Any word on when Pat's v Firhouse is?

[Charlie Darwin]

It's the only game not scheduled yet - no idea why. It's just about two and a half months now since Pats played the last round.

[Mark]

So it's Shels and UCD into the semis. Dundalk v Thomastown on Monday, 15th May and Pat's v Firhouse TBC.